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Tesla Temporarily Stops Model 3 Production Line (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Tesla is temporarily stopping production of its Model 3 electric car, amid a long waiting list and several missed targets. The company, however, says the shutdown is intended to resolve some of the problems that have contributed to the numerous delays in getting the cars to hundreds of thousands of reservation holders. The automaker said Monday it would halt production of the Model 3 sedan for 4-5 days at its Fremont, California assembly plant, BuzzFeed reported. Tesla, however, says this is part of a planned period of downtime that was similar to another shutdown in February, and it isn't intended to have an affect on the company's current production targets for the car. "Our Model 3 production plan includes periods of planned downtime in both Fremont and Gigafactory 1," a Tesla spokesperson told The Verge. "These periods are used to improve automation and systematically address bottlenecks in order to increase production rates. This is not unusual and is in fact common in production ramps like this."

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  1. Next - janitorial staffing updates by sinij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why such obsession over trivial and routine manufacturing decisions at Tesla? Are we also going to get "Janitors at Tesla factory had to put overtime to unclog plugged toilet" headlines?

    1. Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates by ausekilis · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because people are genuinely interested in the amount of fiber in Mr. Musk's diet.

    2. Re: Next - janitorial staffing updates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meanwhile, teachers in West Virginia went on strike. And Oklahoma. And Kentucky. Where the governor admitted that the teachers were the ones keeping children from being sexually abused and poisoned, but well, they just couldn't be fairly paid for that critical task.

      Yay America! Where two black men still can't wait at Starbucks before ordering.

    3. Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      Why such obsession over trivial and routine manufacturing decisions at Tesla? Are we also going to get "Janitors at Tesla factory had to put overtime to unclog plugged toilet" headlines?

      Pff! What? Nooo... *closes Slashdot submission tab detailing plumbing issues*

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    4. Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Stock pricing I imagine. There's a lot of people with short term investments in the company.

      This isn't a "janitorial issue" either. This is about Tesla consistently failing to hit production targets by orders of magnitude, with stock that is prices mostly on assumptions of future performance and hence promises. This shut down actually appears to be the consequence of previous Tesla story of them actually managing to increase production to something close to a quarter or so of what they actually promised to deliver. Which followed the reports that this was done in unsustainable way that would force stoppage of production line in near future due to wear and tear.

      Relevance comes from the fact that if even hitting a quarter of production which is needed to just even begin meeting the promises makes the production random inoperable in weeks as appears to have happened here, what is the basis of the stock price of Tesla?

    5. Re: Next - janitorial staffing updates by CrankyFool · · Score: 2, Informative
      I was about to respond, snippily, that it's not like there's a whole lot of people cancelling, and then thought I'd google.

      Turns out AC's right -- people are cancelling, and in many cases Tesla's taking a really really long time to refund their money (up to 3 months, it seems). More at https://www.wired.com/story/ca...

      Not technically "not refunding", but still pretty poor.

    6. Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates by Octorian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why such obsession over trivial and routine manufacturing decisions at Tesla? Are we also going to get "Janitors at Tesla factory had to put overtime to unclog plugged toilet" headlines?

      Because Tesla is a heavily shorted stock, and has started to return to the "good news" phase of the cycle.
      Whenever a stock is heavily shorted, good news that increases the stock value must be immediately followed by a series of damning articles to make the stock value drop again.

      So if Model 3 production was completely on-track, and there was nothing else bad to report about the company, you absolutely would see a front-page article on the terrible toilet problems that were causing issues at the factory. (Often, but not exclusively, originating from a place like "Business Insider" or "Seeking Alpha" from an author who quietly admits to have a short position on TSLA and a long position on competitors.)

    7. Re: Next - janitorial staffing updates by haruchai · · Score: 2

      There is nothing trivial when a car company which took prepaid orders is years late.

      It is a swindle.

      They're not "years late".
      No deposits for Model 3 were taken before Mar 31st, 2016 and at the time the start of production for North America was supposed to be Fall 2017.
      So they're running months behind, not years

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    8. Re: Next - janitorial staffing updates by haruchai · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was about to respond, snippily, that it's not like there's a whole lot of people cancelling, and then thought I'd google.

      Turns out AC's right -- people are cancelling, and in many cases Tesla's taking a really really long time to refund their money (up to 3 months, it seems). More at https://www.wired.com/story/ca...

      Not technically "not refunding", but still pretty poor.

      Did you read your own link?
      "The next day, I found a FedEx envelope on my doorstep. My refund had arrived — 61 business days after I cancelled my reservation.

      Not every Tesla refund takes this long — or this much work. "It was easy," says Jeff Maggard, a former reservation holder from Ithaca, New York, who cancelled his deposit in February after a career change made it hard to justify buying a new car. His refund showed up on his credit card less than two weeks later. "I did it all online without talking to anyone. There was no number to call so I could be talked out of it by a representative. No dumb tricks to make me stay. It was great," Maggard says. "Very customer-centered."

      I've waited much longer for refunds for a lot less than $1000 so I don't know what the gripe is all about.
      In any case, it's clear that it's not everyone who had to wait a long time.
      It's been suggested that a lot of the complainants may have had the credit cards used to place the reservation expire which would make a refund difficult.

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    9. Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates by haruchai · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Maybe because Tesla and Musk constantly demand attention. Heck, Musk installs a few solar panels at one bldg. in Puerto Rico and its an international story. But that's ALL HE DID in PR. Its not like installing solar panels is some great achievement, its been done for decades. Meanwhile, individuals and organizations that did so much more were and are still ignored"

      yeah, Tesla Energy only installed at least 6 projects to restore power in Puerto Rico incl at a children's hospital.
      Stupid of Elon to go through all that trouble when all he had to do was toss a few bundles of paper towels, say that everyone was enjoying themselves and we can't do more because of all the bigly ocean water surrounding the island.

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    10. Re: Next - janitorial staffing updates by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. They're half a year late. Reservations have remained roughly constant at about half a million. And over on the Tesla forums, people are cheering the news about scheduled line downtime. Because you take lines down to upgrade them to be better / faster. Every time Tesla has taken the line down in the past, it's come back up much faster than previously. The last line downtime saw an over 2x increase in production.

      I've been hoping to see news that Tesla would be taking the line down, as that would be the next sign of an upcoming production jump, and was very happy when I saw this today.

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    11. Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not my post, but:

      "I know, right! The Model 3 is already the best selling (as in actual deliveries) EV." - Ref
      Accura TLX: Pretty close. The TLX had a March sales jump, but with the new 3 production rate, there's no way it'll beat the 3 again.
      Mercedes C/CLA: Model 3 sold over 50% more
      Audi A4: Closer, but still a solid Model 3 win.
      Lexus RC: Over an order of magnitude more Model 3 sales
      BMW 2: 3 1/2 times more Model 3s.
      BMW 3: Actually the 3-series edged out the Model 3... but it's unlikely to do so again.
      BMW 4: Model 3 wins.

      Why the incredulity? You've been reading too much doom-and-gloom from the Tesla shorts. Model 3 production has rapidly accelerated.

      (Note: the GP was clearly talking about the US, so I used US market figures)

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    12. Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is about Tesla consistently failing to hit production targets by orders of magnitude,

      They hit 80% of last quarter's target. Is that "off by an order of magnitude" to you?

      Which followed the reports that this was done in unsustainable

      What BS "reports"? They've maintained the 2k/wk rate since then.

      Yes, they're six months late. Big whoop. Reservations are still at half a million, the "competition" is still a joke, and each of the supposed "Tesla killers" so far has turned out to be half-baked. Exceeding in some cases even my pessimism. I totally didn't call that, for example, the 2018 Leaf would only be able to go 200-300km before being throttled to 20-25kW charge rates. I mean, ouch.

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    13. Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

      The S and X lines were down for one day. For periodic maintenance, because you have to take lines down periodically for maintenance.

      S&X are neither production nor demand constrained; they're 18650 cell constrained. Neither Tesla nor Panasonic have an interest in the capital expenditure to increase 18650 production, since Tesla is moving to 2170s.

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  2. Short sellers by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tesla is the most shorted company right now.

    The problem with the situation is that most investors *want* Tesla to fail so that they can make money from the short sales.

    OTOH, Elon Musk is aware of the shorts and tends to do something to prop up the stock price whenever it drops a little. Like announcing a new model or a new production goal. (The production goals are never met, but the announcements make the stock tick up a couple of percent.)

    So right now we're awash in bear market opinions, and many suggestive (but worthless) statements keep making the rounds such as:

    "Tesla has never made a profit"
    "Tesla loses money on every car they sell"
    "Tesla only survives due to government handouts"
    "Tesla is so far behind that some people will get their cars $SOMENUMBER years from now"
    "Tesla is burning through cash, will be bankrupt in $NUM months"
    "Musk is a serial liar"

    Those are the highlights - have I missed any?

    To analyze #4 as an example ("burning through cash"), note that this is something the CFO and CEO keep track of and anticipate, and are responsible for raising more cash before the bankruptcy actually happens. Also, specifically Tesla predicts that they won't need another round of financing, but that option is certainly open if they need it.

    It's nigh impossible to get an accurate assessment of Tesla's worth right now, due to corruption in reporting.

    Tesla expects to turn a profit for the first time later this year. Their stock will probably skyrocket when that happens.

    1. Re:Short sellers by AlanObject · · Score: 2

      "Tesla loses money on every car they sell" "Tesla only survives due to government handouts"

      I have always wondered about these arguments. I haven't looked at Tesla's P&L recently (in spite of being a stockholder) but I was under the impression that they are plowing tons of money into R&D.

      So if they wanted to suddenly be profitable all they would have to do is stop spending on R&D. Just bank the gross profit they get off of selling their existing product which is heavily in demand.

      So what would their stock be worth if they did that?

    2. Re:Short sellers by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      You fail to mention that shorts also articificial reduce a companies share price, however the problem with shorts is that if people push up the price to a certain point those shorts are forced to buy the stock at a much higher price than they sold it for. Shorts are also most often leverage, so they pay around 10% of the value of the shares they short and of course if shares prices go 10% higher than the price they pretended to sell at, the finacing broker forces them to buy at the new much higher price to cover the shares they pretended to sell and the fiscal pain can be quite bankrupting.

      When you load up too many shorts, the bankster can gang up on you pump up the share price and wipe you out and the more shorts, the much greater the fiscal drive to do so. They Tesla price clung in there for so long with all those shorts is a pretty solid warning that the banksters are set to wipe out a bunch of people (you have to wander whether or not they set up the trap in the first place, betting both ways).

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    3. Re:Short sellers by Rei · · Score: 2

      I was under the impression that they are plowing tons of money into R&D.

      They are. About 1 1/2 billion per year. Versus their Q4 loss of under $600M. Their SG&A is also scaled up in advance of the 3 rollout, since you can't magic that into existence the instant production increases. Tesla has big capex also. Interestingly, there are clear signs that Tesla is increasing (or preparing to increase) capex. They're currently relocating the Gigafactory parking lot (first step to expand the building) and bidding on more property near Fremont, for example.

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    4. Re:Short sellers by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Cash burn is utterly irrelevant. Tesla can't go broke, so it can't go bankrupt. They've a half million cars on order at at least 50K each. That's 25 billion in gross sales, and that's *past* orders. Present orders are being held back because they can't make cars fast enough to immediately deliver.

      At 25 billion coming in, they have all the lines of credit and investor interest they will ever want.

      China just let them own their own factory there. That's...enormous news.

      Cash burn is a concern if you can't pay your bills, make product, or invest in plant. Tesla does all of that. This is cost accounting 101. They will sink money in plant - not "burn money" - and operations, one of which is an asset and the other manufacturing the product. Nothing is "burnt". The money is being converted into other kinds of asset.

      A corporation is not a Duncan Donuts franchise. It doesn't have to make cash surplus to fund the owner's new marriage. It just keeps going, growing, adding capability. Tesla is cars. Virtual power plants. Powerwalls. Rooftop solar. Solar power plants. A giant charging network for its cars. It has the best and cheapest batteries on earth and go that way by spending money on R&D and plant. Tesla is ten years ahead of everyone else and will stay that way.

  3. Re:It's not trivial by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Experienced automakers wouldn't be going through that.

    Meanwhile, even with the delays, Tesla made their first 10000 Model 3s in less time than it took GM to make their first 1000 Bolts, from the start of tooling. And the first Model 3s were rolling off the line well sooner than the first Bolts (again, relative to the start of tooling).

    Also, Tesla is going to have a huge cash shortfall

    Bankwupt! Bankwupt, I say! ;)

    Hey, let's put or skeptic's hat on. Let's say that Musk is wrong about 5-6k/wk at the end of this quarter. Let's say they only do 4k at the end of this quarter. That would still be 80% of the line's initial design spec, aka the point where it's designed to be turning a 25% gross margin. Even a miss this quarter still means that they've pretty much succeeded with line development. Yes, they'll tune it over Q3 to get the rate up as high as they can, and this might mean a couple weeks downtime here and there. Sure, they'll probably take a quarter or two to realize the full margin. But at the end of this quarter, they're probably going to be earning at least 10% margin on at least 4k cars per week with an average sale price in the early run of around $45k (it's worth pointing out that the early cars are option-heavy and likely to have higher margins, so 10% is very pessimistic). That's Model 3 profits of $234M in Q3 (positive-$234M, vs a Model 3 loss in the last quarterly report) if Q3 averages only 4k/wk across all of Q3 (vs. the target of 5k/6k per week at the start of Q3). If Q3 averages 5/wk and 15% margin? That's $438M. Q4, at say 6k and 20%? $702M. I mention these numbers to contrast with the 598M quarterly loss they had in Q4.

    Even if we ignore everything else - how the solar gigafactory is finally starting consumer sales, the huge boom in energy orders, the half billion or so they're going to get from deposits on the Y, etc, etc - Tesla's cash burn is all but over in Q3, and they're profitable in Q4. And even in Q2, their burn is heavily slashed from Q4/Q1.

    And this is just the start of reasons I could go into as to why this "bankwupcy" thing is nonsense; there's about a dozen more. The shorts, strangely enough, always only develop their hindsight in the rearview mirror. To them, Tesla is always bankrupt in six months. Last summer, Tesla was going bankrupt this winter. Last fall, they were going bankrupt this spring. This winter, the bankruptcy was scheduled for summer. Here we are in the fall sweeps. Well, sorry to rain on the parade, but their predictive ability is worth squat. They keep pointing to reasons that Tesla did better than they expected, and it's always, "Well, of course they could do that, but they can't do it again, so now they're doomed!". Yeah? Well where were you pointing out what they could do? They were just off screaming "Bankrupt!" to their Seeking Alpha echo chamber, only developing their "foresight" after the fact. It's like listening to the Nostradamus crowd insisting that he predicted the 11 September attacks - if the predictions were so great, where were you on 10 September?

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  4. Re:It's not trivial by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Informative

    "See, the obsession is that investors have dumped BILLIONS into Tesla and it has been lost - yes, LOST - period."

    The money hasn't been lost yet, but Tesla is burning through it's cash at a stunning rate. It looks to be a crapshoot as to whether Tesla will end this year flying high, dead broke, or struggling off into the future having sold off much of whatever it has in the way of marketable assets. See https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/3...

    Moody's downgraded Tesla's credit rating to "Negative" a few weeks ago. That's not good.

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