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Russia Admits To Blocking Millions of IP Addresses (sfgate.com)

It turns out, the Russian government, in its quest to block Telegram, accidentally shut down several other services as well. From a report: The chief of the Russian communications watchdog acknowledged Wednesday that millions of unrelated IP addresses have been frozen in a so-far futile attempt to block a popular messaging app. Telegram, the messaging app that was ordered to be blocked last week, was still available to users in Russia despite authorities' frantic attempts to hit it by blocking other services. The row erupted after Telegram, which was developed by Russian entrepreneur Pavel Durov, refused to hand its encryption keys to the intelligence agencies. The Russian government insists it needs them to pre-empt extremist attacks but Telegram dismissed the request as a breach of privacy. Alexander Zharov, chief of the Federal Communications Agency, said in an interview with the Izvestia daily published Wednesday that Russia is blocking 18 networks that are used by Amazon and Google and which host sites that they believe Telegram is using to circumvent the ban.

73 comments

  1. wack a mole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    retards sure are retarded these days

  2. How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Anonymous Ivans will this story attract, and which of the following arguments will they be using?

    1. Big deal, Mother Russia has the right to...
    2. Something something Telegram something something criminals terrorists
    3. At least when Russia does it they don't use FISA courts and let independent judges secretly review the evidence before allowing Russia to stop whatever it is, that way it's more honest because there's no due process involved.
    4. MAGA.

    And why does Slashdot of all places attract so many AIs anyway? You do know this website is as influential today as a World of Warcraft forum? If you'd been doing this in the early 2000s, then it might have made sense, but most people here who aren't Russian bots are just idiots who'll vote the way they do anyway regardless of how many times you bring up Hillary's emails and invent another person she supposedly murdered. (ALSO THE ELECTION WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, it's time to move on.)

    1. Re: How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fellow linus enthusiast why would you use closed source application telegram? We should develop FOSS clone in prel

    2. Re:How many... by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      But it is absolutely in Russia's right to show the world how they can't even get one single insignificant app blocked and make a complete mockery of their whole internet surveillance show. Why take a threat like "we shut you down" serious when they can't even get a phone app under control?

      That's the big hackers we're afraid of? For real? You sure they're working for the same government that can't even get a single app blocked?

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    3. Re:How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE ELECTION WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, it's time to move on./quote.
      Obviously does not understand politics. The election is in 7 months. They have moved on to the next election. It's about posturing and optics.

    4. Re: How many... by turbiina · · Score: 1

      well I am following russian government trends - they often talk about having their own âoeindependentâ internet and are organizing own version of DNS for BRICS countries. I would not be surprised if they will indeed disconnect russia from internet - during soviet times USSR had their own computer WANs...

    5. Re: How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ur bad at html

    6. Re: How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could just be show to make people that only think one level deep, like you, think that.

      Intelligence services generally think a few levels deep if they're serious. Double agents are a thing. So are double double agents.

    7. Re:How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Anonymous Coward! Anonymous Ivan here..

      In Soviet Russia Ivan stomps cowards!

    8. Re:How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clinton isn't running in the election that's in 7 months. So no, they're not moving on to that election at all, they're still relitigating 2016.

    9. Re: How many... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Usually conspiracies are way more intricate than the reality. Even spies like to KISS.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    10. Re: How many... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be nice if they did? And I mean completely. That way you could easily identify Russian spammers: It's the ones that use the internet from Russia.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    11. Re:How many... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      That's the big hackers we're afraid of? For real? You sure they're working for the same government that can't even get a single app blocked?

      As I recall, several of those stories about Russian government hackers indicated that they weren't particularly sophisticated - which is one reason they've been relatively easy to identify.

      But then Nigerian 419 scammers generally weren't sophisticated either, and they still managed to trick a lot of people into giving them money.

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      #DeleteChrome
    12. Re: How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if they block off everything else there is no real point to allow the rest of the communication.

      Putin has showed time after time that he isn't interested in having an honest discussion and official statements from Russia are more often lies than not.
      Cut them off and assume that everything they do is malicious until they are interested in behaving again.

    13. Re:How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair the Nigerian scammers might have been intentionally dumb for the sake of efficiency.
      By making a scam obvious you can weed out a lot of people that would catch on and bail out later.
      That way you don't waste time on people that you wouldn't be able to scam anyway and can scam a lot more fools.

    14. Re: How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, they stomp each other? Russians have got a rep for being cowardly poisoners now.

    15. Re: How many... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and who is benefitting from this poisoning now? Russia is THE looser in this poisoning show.

    16. Re: How many... by Josh+Keaper · · Score: 1

      So, you assume that all Russians are spammers, right?

    17. Re: How many... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No. I assume all Russian spammers are Russians.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  3. Long live ayatolla Vlad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In post soviet Russia Telegram stops internet

    1. Re:Long live ayatolla Vlad by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Someone hand that guy a mod point or two, he at least made me smile today.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Long live ayatolla Vlad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got your back, Jack.

      -A friendly neighbour

  4. Awesome, I hope they block more. by I'm+just+joshin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The timing correlates with a drop in attacks on our servers.

    Block away Vlad, block away.

    1. Re:Awesome, I hope they block more. by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      I admit that I had already blocked millions of their IP addresses.

    2. Re:Awesome, I hope they block more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fun fact, there are several rather large porn / adult sites hosted out of Russia and hide behind CDNs. I don't expect the blocks to last all that long.

      There's also the gaming community, though I don't think anyone in NA would care if Russia, China, Korea, etc all lost access. Less screaming, cheating kids.

    3. Re:Awesome, I hope they block more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, if you look to be coming from a Russian, Iranian, Chinese, or North Korean netblock, your packets get dropped on the floor.

    4. Re:Awesome, I hope they block more. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      The server lag in World of Warcraft seems to have magically evaporated too...

    5. Re:Awesome, I hope they block more. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      I was just blocking anything that sent SPAM or exhibited suspicious network behavior. It wasn't until recently that I happened to notice they were mostly from Russia. Granted, a good amount were from China, too, as well as, for some reason, Verizon cellphones.

    6. Re:Awesome, I hope they block more. by higuita · · Score: 1

      Those are hacked machines already... the real hackers are using other people machines, usually several times/jumps... and they can be everywhere in the world, even in your internal network

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      Higuita
    7. Re:Awesome, I hope they block more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what you are saying those were not Rusdian government sponsored attacks? How dare are you to contradict official party line?!!

  5. Russia trying to catch up to us ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how they plan to do it, with a tenth of the budget but not a tenth of the wages, and with an population that is mostly aware that their country is shit and does not actually believe the kool-aid and defend "their" country like it's a religion.

    Are they solely relying on good old Slav alcoholism to stop theit citizens from acting up?

  6. they di by turbiina · · Score: 2

    few montht ago when ukraine blocked some most outrageous russian propaganda sites , russian mass media was telling people that such blocking is âoenot democraticâ and pointless. At the same time they shown on state TV how to circumvent blocking with a use of vpn. :D Well , russian government is so russian, they are doing a job of ruining their country very well..

    1. Re: they di by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was russian facebook or vkontakte, yandex, ondoklassniki mail.ru social media sites blocked in Ukraine. It was not to stop russian propaganda but to isolate ukrainians to the propaganda of their own government.

  7. Dictators hate free speech, free press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shock horror, Putin didn't win the election with 77% of the vote and 67% turnout.

    A mock election in which no opponent is allowed to run always gets a very low turnout because there is no purpose in voting, either for the dictator or for the dictators chosen fake opponents. The best people can do is cast a defaced vote, or vote for one of his puppets knowing it is just a protest vote.

    So you'd be looking at around 30% turnout as real, the rest as fake ballot papers

    i.e. Putin got about 1/3rd of those real votes, the rest are his operatives stuffing the ballots to make up the numbers. That is more in line with his actual popularity when measured in unmonitored voting. Which is why there are no free polls in Russia.

    To sustain power, you have to think he is all popular and all powerful, and so he cannot tolerate dissent that breaks that facade. Free speech and discussion cannot be permitted, journalists are murdered, and the press is all like Fox News.

    1. Re:Dictators hate free speech, free press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would venture that the press there (in Russia) is more all like RT News i.e. Russia can do no wrong and it is >>all the fault of the U.S. whatever "It" happens to be... they're quite pathological about it.

    2. Re:Dictators hate free speech, free press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of the speech Cohen in "The Dictator":

      Why are you guys so anti-dictators? Imagine if America was a dictatorship. You could let 1% of the people have all the nation's wealth. You could help your rich friends get richer by cutting their taxes. And bailing them out when they gamble and lose. You could ignore the needs of the poor for health care and education. Your media would appear free, but would secretly be controlled by one person and his family. You could wiretap phones. You could torture foreign prisoners. You could have rigged elections. You could lie about why you go to war. You could fill your prisons with one particular racial group, and no one would complain. You could use the media to scare the people into supporting policies that are against their interests.

      The good thing is that trying to block anything on the internet is entirely futile, whether it's in the the U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. or Mother Russia.

    3. Re:Dictators hate free speech, free press by Archtech · · Score: 1

      How different from the USA's Jeffersonian democracy, where every 4 years the voters get to choose between a psychotic murderous criminal and a ridiculous uneducated imbecile.

      Neither of whom would have any power or discretion if they are elected, since the real owners sit in darkness.

      --
      I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
    4. Re:Dictators hate free speech, free press by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Nice speculation, could even be true
      But proof? I doubt it.
      It's why I chide those among us liberals convinced that Donny had the vote tabulation servers hacked.
      Could be true, but is it? Really IS IT TRUE ought be our byword

    5. Re:Dictators hate free speech, free press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like we outdid ourselves this time around then. We managed to have both qualities in one person.

  8. It's almost as though... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 0

    ...they don't want foreign entities trying to destroy their society through the internet!

    1. Re:It's almost as though... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      No, they don't.

      If I were to punch someone, I will actually try to block their punch back. Self interests usually overrides the abstract notion of Hypocrisy.

      It doesn't mean I have some moral high ground, just that I have some physical advantage. Life isn't fair. Balance and Ying/Yang are just abstract notions. Perhaps the repercussions will bite them in the future. But they will immediately react to their current self interest.

      Russia doesn't care they messed with an outer society via the internet, it is their win. Retaliation will be tried to be stopped. If you are going to retaliate, you need to know this and expect it. It isn't like D&D where each country has a list of advantages and disadvantages that balance out.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    2. Re:It's almost as though... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Russia understands PRISM and knows who the NSA and GCHQ enters another nation.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  9. They should have just use APK's work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have just used APK's host file engine and been done with it. Or at least that is the impression APK tries to give.

  10. Encryption by GrBear · · Score: 2

    I'd be more impressed if Telegram encrypted ALL communications, not as just a user selectable option for mobile users. Hell, it's not even on by default.

    I only use the desktop client, and there's no option to turn on encryption.

    1. Re:Encryption by simasg · · Score: 1
      You are confusing encryption and end-to-end encryption. By default, all traffic on Telegram is encrypted, but stored on their servers (encryption keys are never stored in the same country to prevent seizing of them by authorities). End-to-end encryption does not store anything on their servers.

      Here Pavel Durov (Telegram founder) explains why end-to-end encryption is not enabled by default: http://telegra.ph/Why-Isnt-Telegram-End-to-End-Encrypted-by-Default-08-14

  11. Re: Hillary Clinton For President In 2020!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure her boat has sailed. She's political toxic waste.

    Bernie or some other candidate will be picked, and Trump will be gone, or Pence if Trump plays his cards right.

  12. Use Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Signal is already 100% open source and is now widely used by both corporations and governments. The world doesn't need yet another secure messaging app when most people don't use any as it is. Focus on developing things that don't exist, and getting people to use the things that do.

    1. Re:Use Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My friend. How to trust third party with secure communications? Do you use office 365 for your mail server?

    2. Re:Use Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Telegram existed before Signal ;-) (2013 vs 2014) and has 200million+ monthly active users

    3. Re:Use Signal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Signal's roots dates back to 2010 as TextSecure and RedPhone. Signal is just the merger of TextSecure and RedPhone into one product.

  13. Wait a minute... by Kid+CUDA · · Score: 1

    If Russia is blocking Telegram on the grounds that they won't give out encryption keys to the government .... what to think of the fact that Whatsapp isn't blocked?

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Hey look, I think this one is getting smarter!

    2. Re:Wait a minute... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re " what to think of the fact that"
      "German government to use Trojan spyware to monitor citizens"
      http://ll.dw.de/en/german-gove...
      "..monitor ongoing chats and conversations."
      Different nations have different ideas about what their network users can do and what a gov will do.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  14. "futile attempt to block" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Music to my ears!

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  15. Vlad tells us so! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    We don't need no stinking First Amendment! Vlad knows what we should be permitted to see!

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    (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
  16. extremists by yurikhan · · Score: 1

    With that kind of tactics against extremists, the Russian government *are* extremists. The defense is making more damage than the threat.

    1. Re:extremists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah man this is /.

      When the US does this, it's bad (only if a Democrat is in office)

  17. Here's the IP range Russia should be blocking: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *.*.*.*

    Seriously, Russia: just cut the goddamned cord already, and stay off the Internet, YOU ARE B&

  18. Remember when Russia was our friend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beyond the fact The Cheeto is too corrupted by Russian money to ever make an unbiased statement on the foreign state, you'ld have to be a fascist-totalitarian asshole to be friends with people like this. A bigly asshole even.

  19. Re: Try not being an asshole.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..and maybe not everyone you meet will want to punch you in the face, stupid American.

  20. I do too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the quest to avoid ads....

  21. Why is Pavel not dead yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why has the Russian government not made Pavel disappear yet? They seem to like poisoning people.

  22. Embarassing! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    They can get an orangeutan elected president but they can't shut up the 7th most used chat app?

    Heads must roll.

  23. The open and egalitarian Internet dream is dead by bettodavis · · Score: 2

    The sad truth is that if the USA blocked most non official/commercial Russian and Chinese IP addresses, we would see a big drop on piracy, hacking and political trolling/manipulation.

    And why not? they are already doing it with anyone they don't like.

    Symmetric communication and open exchange between nations will probably come to be seen as an earned privilege. Those that systematically and officially abuse it should have that privilege removed.

    1. Re:The open and egalitarian Internet dream is dead by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      In which case you block normal chinese or russian citizens from accessing sites hosted abroad...

      Just because you see attacks coming from russia or china, doesn't mean that's where they originated. Chances are the boxes launching the attacks are compromised and someone elsewhere is pulling the strings.
      Network security is simply not taken seriously in many countries, they make little or no effort to secure boxes and don't care if they are infected with malware so long as they still barely function. Pirate software is also the norm in places like russia/china, and update features are subsequently turned off incase the updates interfere with their cracks.

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  24. why do we have comment subjects by Falos · · Score: 1

    QQ, blocking the signal is harrrrrrd. Ha.

    Normally the remarks are "users will still tunnel to it" but it's a good laugh that they're still upright out in the open. And I hope it stays that way, if only as a reminder that decentralization means a resistance to being killed.

  25. Re:False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Toporno, tovarisch.

  26. Great service by imidan · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a great service. How can I get them to add my IP addresses to their blocking list? I'm blocking them on my end right now, but it would simplify my iptables config if they could just be cut off at the source.

    1. Re:Great service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy. Put in (pun intended) any content onto your site(s) that Putin would be displeased with.

    2. Re:Great service by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Offer to use your IP to host telegram services...