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UK Teen Who Hacked CIA Director Sentenced To 2 Years In Prison (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmodo: A British teenager who gained notoriety for hacking a number of high profile United States government employees including former CIA director John Brennan and former director of intelligence James Clapper was sentenced Friday to two years in prison. Eighteen-year-old Kane Gamble pleaded guilty to 10 separate charges, including eight counts of "performing a function with intent to secure unauthorized access" and two counts of "unauthorized modification of computer material," the Guardian reported.

Gamble, otherwise known by his online alias Cracka, was 15 at the time that he started his hacking campaigns. The alleged leader of a hacking group known as Crackas With Attitude (CWA), Gamble made it a point to target members of the U.S. government. The young hacker's group managed to successfully gain access to ex-CIA director John Brennan's AOL email account. The group hacked a number of accounts belonging to former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, including his personal email, his wife's email, and his phone and internet provider account. The hackers allegedly made it so every call to Clapper's home phone would get forwarded to the Free Palestine Movement.

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  1. Well ain't that rich... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "performing a function with intent to secure unauthorized access"

    James Clapper... the chap who oversaw the largest "intent to secure unauthorized access" campaign in the history of computing? The one which targeted people all around the world for "full take" access? THAT James Clapper?

    When Clapper does 3 billion counts of whatever punishment this idiot kid will get, and goes away for the rest of his life, and the other people involved do similar time, then maybe we can think about what's appropriate for the idiot kid.

    Until then it's simply more "rules for me but not for thee".

    This is nothing less than a miscarriage of justice.

    1. Re:Well ain't that rich... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > "rules for me but not for thee"

      I think you meant it the other way around. But otherwise... yes.

    2. Re:Well ain't that rich... by alexo · · Score: 1

      Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

    3. Re: Well ain't that rich... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The road to hell is paved with good intentions...

    4. Re:Well ain't that rich... by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Why would he get "... a number of very lucrative job offers"? He appears to be somebody who managed to social engineer AOL and Comcast (which doesn't seem that hard, seeing as it happens so often). It doesn't even sound like he's a script kiddie, let alone a hacker. The only organisations that might hire him are British newspapers, but since the Leveson Enquity even they're a little bit wary of hiring people to illegally access personal data.

    5. Re: Well ain't that rich... by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

      maybe the jailtime is just a cover story and in reality he got a job offer.

  2. He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by greenwow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    of course the government with Israel's influence wants to nail him for that.

    Either way, I was with him until he decided to modify information. Release info is one thing. Modifying it is another.

    1. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by stinkyjak · · Score: 2

      The free Palestine movement is bullshit. Take a map. Look at all the land mass for Muslim, Christian, ... then look at the tiny little spec allotted for Jews, after everyone else in that area tried to exterminate all Jews... well now. Itâ(TM)s pretty fucking insignificant. Let the Jews have the tiny PoS land they got. Fuck. Religion is stupid. Why canâ(TM)t we move past this BS anyway. Religion is ancient wat to control the poor and mindless. Kind of like modern media/social media is today. How many rulers can you be controlled by? Isnâ(TM)t the government enough. Let religion go. What good has it shown anyone?

  3. Meanwhile, back in the UK... by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    “It all started by me getting more and more annoyed about how corrupt and cold-blooded the US government are so I decided to do something about it.”

    Say what you will about us, and there's a lot to be said about our government, but how many "underage rape gang" scandals have come out in the UK post Rotterham? These are scandals where the authorities knew and not only did nothing, but sometimes pursued the parents for going after the men harming their daughters.

    If CWA wanted to do some good, they should have pilfered Rotterham's computers and dropped everything on Wikileaks.

    If Rotterham had happened in the US, you can bet your sweet ass, the FBI would have sent a small army in tactical gear and it'd be downright biblical in the sense "and they [local politically correct pols] saw what they [FBI] did and were terrified and never again was this wickedness done in the land."

    1. Re:Meanwhile, back in the UK... by ezdiy · · Score: 1, Redundant

      > If Rotterham had happened in the US

      Not living or ever been to the US, I get the impression this is simply all swept under the rug with euphemism of "teen pregnancy".

      In DC, 10% of all pregnancies are teenage.

      A super politically incorrect fact is that fathers are almost twice as likely to be no longer in their teens. There's a marked bias for black fathers as well, while girls ethnicity is more or less uniformly distributed. What social dynamic is exactly at play there is anyone's guess.

    2. Re:Meanwhile, back in the UK... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      A super politically incorrect fact is that fathers are almost twice as likely to be no longer in their teens.

      Fathers are, on average, older than mothers in every nation and society on earth. There is nothing "political" about it.

      The average difference, at 2-3 years, is smallest in Europe and North America, and largest in polygamous societies of Africa.

      The reasons for this are obvious. Men have a biological imperative to prefer fertile women with more years available for child-bearing. Women have a biological imperative to prefer men with social status and resources, which generally increase with age.

    3. Re:Meanwhile, back in the UK... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      A super politically incorrect fact is that fathers are almost twice as likely to be no longer in their teens.

      Fathers are, on average, older than mothers in every nation and society on earth. There is nothing "political" about it.

      The average difference, at 2-3 years, is smallest in Europe and North America, and largest in polygamous societies of Africa.

      The reasons for this are obvious. Men have a biological imperative to prefer fertile women with more years available for child-bearing. Women have a biological imperative to prefer men with social status and resources, which generally increase with age.

      Oh geeshe, Animojo and David Thornley are gonna be all over your backside now. All of what you wrote is merely a social construct. There is no difference between male and female. Yeah, I'm trolling.

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  4. Re:He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And why the link in TFS? Am I to interpret this as right-swing Slashdot bosses trying to slashdot the organization's servers, or left-wing BeauHD trying to draw sympathizers to the cause?

    I'm no pro-Israel zealot, but I sure think the Anti-Zionists could help their cause if they more clearly repudiated antisemitism.

  5. Parliamentary gay paedophilia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That was another big story from a few years back. They blocked investigation of the charges until the last documented parliament member with ties to the sex abuse had died, because MI5 had been using 'protection' for the ring of them to get favorable financing passed through parliament.

    http://yournewswire.com/britis...
    https://www.express.co.uk/news...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/maga...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    http://listverse.com/2015/09/0...
    https://www.pri.org/stories/20...
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/1...

    You can read and decide for yourself.

    1. Re:Parliamentary gay paedophilia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "A lobbyist won't back a politician unless there exists a perfect kompro"
      A lot of people ignore this very simple aspect of US elections. Nobody donates millions of dollars to a politician running for office without expecting to see a healthy return on their investment. Congress created the 501c corporations and PAC's for the specific purpose of funneling unlimited amounts of money to their favorite politicians. Want to fix the US government? Limit campaign donations to $2500 per person per year and ban PAC's and 501c organizations. And place term limits to every Senator and Representative. While everyone is running around desperately looking for a way to explain Trump's victory the real source of the problem is busy running the country into the ground. Congress has insulated themselves from all the scrutiny now being focused on the Executive branch. members of Congress cannot be publically investigated or subpoenaed. Any disciplinary problems are handled behind closed doors. A President doesn't come close to having the power that the Legislative branch has. All government spending runs through Congress and not the Executive branch. Like most large and powerful governments and corporations the Chief Executive is little more than a figure head. So when are the people currently wasting their time attacking a President that doesn't even have the authority to address their many grievances? And keep in mind that every Senator or Representative in office are owned by those who paid to put them into office.

  6. And Brennan wasn't at fault by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The head of the CIA using an AOL account isn't as bad as it seems.

    Brennan had an account with AOL from the beginning of the internet, and only used it for personal, trivial things. He had a strong password, and didn't reuse passwords. All his work-related communications were done elsewhere.

    The "hack" was Gamble calling up AOL pretending to be Brennan, and having a sysadmin change the password.

    Brennan did nothing wrong, and could not have prevented this. In fact, he even did things right by not having any business-related communications on that account.

    I don't know the specifics of James Clappers' hack, but it was very likely the same. Assuming Clapper didn't have work-related stuff on his personal E-mail (and there's no reason to suspect that he did), this was nothing more than some high-level people being embarrassed by a kid hacker.

    1. Re:And Brennan wasn't at fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Brennan did nothing wrong

      Except the murdering that motivated the hack.

    2. Re:And Brennan wasn't at fault by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      If there is anything we have learned over the past few years it's that no account is trivial or unimportant. Too many services allow someone with control of an email address to reset passwords, log in to related sites and glean little bits of other information about you that can be used for further p0wnage.

      Even if it's just personal correspondence with friends and family, getting into that account reveals all their email addresses, information about their schedules, their writing styles and habits (great for spear phising attacks), all kinds of stuff.

      Aside from the embarrassment of having an @aol.com email address, they don't support a lot of basic security tech like 2 factor auth and apparently don't give their support staff any security training, so should not be used for any purpose.

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  7. You're mad by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...how many years Trump, sons and lawyers are going to collectively get lol?

    Um... none?

    You do realize that the Republicans sent a recommendation for prosecution to the AG for Hillary Clinton,
    James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and Loretta Lynch, right?

    And unlike nebulous charge of "collusion", the recommendation letter lays out the specific actions these people took and the specific federal laws that were broken.

    You probably didn't hear about that - the MSM was pretty quiet about it.

    And also note that Rep. Dana Rohrabacher claims to have physical proof that the Russians did not hack the DNC.

    You knew about that, right?

    Also, you do know that the original FISA court warrant was invalid on its face, so any evidence Mueller uncovers would be thrown out, right?

    Also, there's been no leaks of evidence from the Muller investigation, even though everything *else* seems to have been leaked. Even when those leaks are a violation of federal law, they still happen, and yet none of them have been about evidence.

    Also note that impeaching the president is an extremely high bar to clear. President Clinton was caught on camera in a baldfaced lie to congress and the people of the US ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman"), and was acquitted.

    Do you think saying “I hope you can let this go” rises to that level?

    You're mad.

    1. Re:You're mad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you want to be taken seriously, don't use breitbart as a source.

    2. Re:You're mad by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You do realize that the Republicans sent a recommendation for prosecution [house.gov] to the AG for Hillary Clinton,
      James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and Loretta Lynch, right?

      And the Justice Department under Jeff Sessions put it right in the circular file where it belongs. There will be no charges.

      And also note that Rep. Dana Rohrabacher claims to have physical proof [breitbart.com] that the Russians did not hack the DNC.

      You mean the Dana Rohrabacher who the Kremlin has considered an intelligence source for the past two decades and so important that they gave him a code name? THAT Dana Rohrabacher?

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1...

      https://www.npr.org/2018/03/11...

      https://www.vanityfair.com/new...

      http://thehill.com/homenews/ca...

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    3. Re:You're mad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Um... none?

      You do realize that the Republicans sent a recommendation for prosecution to the AG for Hillary Clinton,
      James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and Loretta Lynch, right?

      Who cares? Why should anyone take this type of political referral seriously?

      What claim specifically should I be expected to give two shits about? Please prosecute our political adversaries. Beeennngggghaaaaazzziiiii!!! blah blah blah. The shit still smells regardless of who is doing the throwing.

      And unlike nebulous charge of "collusion", the recommendation letter lays out the specific actions these people took and the specific federal laws that were broken.

      DJT publically asked Russia to commit a crime on his behalf. Michael Cohen went to Prague to arrange payment to those involved in Russian efforts and is STILL denying he was ever there.

      Personally I never gave two shits about collusion. The DNC deserved what it got and then some. Hillary also deserved to lose. The Russians were doing us all a favor as far as I'm concerned even though I wanted Trump to lose because he's a belligerent fuckwit.

      Always figured DJT would be fucked over the second anyone seriously looked into his business dealings over the decades. Trump is your typical sleazy business dude only he is so fucking dumb he undoubtedly pursuits shit other sleazy business guys have enough sense not to touch.

      The awesome thing here before this is all over multiple people in DJTs circle will be languishing in prison because they are scum. Regardless of whether DJT spends a second in jail or he is kicked out of office his friends are certainly going to jail and that is just awesome.

      And also note that Rep. Dana Rohrabacher claims to have physical proof that the Russians did not hack the DNC.

      No that's not even what the article says. It says he would have physical proof if not for x. It's like saying I would have physical proof of Aliens landing in my backyard only they erased all the film in my camera.

      The chain WRT wikileaks is not controversial. It is well known Assange was dealing with middle men and never Russia directly so whatever Assange knew by itself isn't worth much.

      Also, you do know that the original FISA court warrant was invalid on its face, so any evidence Mueller uncovers would be thrown out, right?

      You do know FISA warrants are secret? Right? You know that? So what the heck are you even talking about? How would you or anyone else reading this be in a position to know any such thing?

      BTW Carter Page has a long history of being a tool of Russian intelligence. He deserved everything he got.

      Also note that impeaching the president is an extremely high bar to clear.

      All that is necessary is a plausible pretense (Obstruction of Justice would do) and enough people wanting your sorry ass gone.

      Do you think saying âoeI hope you can let this goâ rises to that level?

      I think saying "I faced great pressure because of Russia. Thatâ(TM)s taken off." to the Russians in the oval office right after firing Comey while also blabbing the locations of US strategic subs to Russians in the oval office certainly does rise to the level of obstruction. Your not just asking others to let it go... deliberately taking affirmative steps to try and undermine investigations clearly is a felony and perfectly valid legal pretext for impeachment.

    4. Re: You're mad by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1, Troll

      Awwwwwww, look - a credulous fool who actually believes the semi-official propaganda organs. How quaint!

    5. Re:You're mad by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You do realize that the Republicans sent a recommendation for prosecution [house.gov] to the AG for Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and Loretta Lynch, right?

      And the Justice Department under Jeff Sessions put it right in the circular file where it belongs. There will be no charges.

      In 21st Century RerpubliKremlin America, The Justice system and the FBI are criminals, and Breitbart is the unimpeachable source of God's own truth.

      Now let us bow and pray to saint Alex Jones, that he may guide us to the truth. the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me Trump.

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    6. Re:You're mad by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Now let us bow and pray to saint Alex Jones

      Alex Jones is so 2015. He wasn't nutty enough for the True Believers, so they'ave graduated to something called #QAnon, which posits that Barack Obama has been arrested and is in Guantanamo awaiting execution and the guy who went to Barbara Bush's funeral was really a body double. Supposedly, there is someone very close to President Trump called "Q" (and it might be Trump himself!) who posts updates to the Trump Underground via 8chan in a sort of Burroughs-like cutup poetry. It's crap-on-the-floor crazy and almost certainly an FSB psy-op, judging by the accounts that only seem to exist to advance the conspiracy theory. It's a LARP for incels and foreign cops, and the tiny group of Americans involved are probably going to end up getting themselves hurt.

      #FollowTheWhiteRabbit
      #StormysComing
      #April in Paris
      #IJustShitInMyHand
      #TrustSessions
      #JesusIsLord
      #QAnon

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    7. Re:You're mad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...how many years Trump, sons and lawyers are going to collectively get lol?

      Um... none?

      You do realize that the Republicans sent a recommendation for prosecution to the AG for Hillary Clinton,
      James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and Loretta Lynch, right?

      Trump has been trying to have his political enemies jailed for awhile. That we elected him still means that this country has turned to shit and stupid.

      Of that list, Hillary has been thoroughly investigated and there wasn't enough there to go further. Comey hasn't committed any crimes, unless thinking Trump is a clear and present danger to our country and doing what is legally possible is a crime. He did it after he was fired, and thus no longer had to follow FBI policy, though he does still have to protect classified info. No, he nor Clinton is not responsible for releasing any information if it was not classified at the time of release or use on an unclassified system.

      McCabe apparently lied about informing a reporter. He has been fired and his pension taken from him despite he otherwise earning it. Seems enough to me. Lynch was just amazingly stupid to meet Bill on the tarmac. That is not a crime.

      And unlike nebulous charge of "collusion", the recommendation letter lays out the specific actions these people took and the specific federal laws that were broken.

      You probably didn't hear about that - the MSM was pretty quiet about it.

      Your ultra special sources are the problem, with their conspiracy crap propping up a wanna be dictator. Stop using these fuckwits like Breitbart as a source. They are not remotely credible. I do like your bringing up Clinton's lie about having sec with an intern. *lol*

      The republicans went all in for it, and he lost his law license, but in the end there wasn't enough there to impeach. Trump on the other hand is up to around lie 2500. Trump Lies.

      Surely the American people deserve better? It is okay if Trump stays below 3000 lies, below 4000, below 10000, below a million? Is there any limit you right wingers would say, enough?

      I suppose to a right winger lying continuously to the American people is not remotely as important as lying about an affair once under oath. Hell Trump is too big a chicken shit to even testify to Mueller under oath. He might even scrape by without prosecution. Who knows. I do know one thing about the Mueller probe. It is not all about Trump.

      If Mueller fails to indict Trump it doesn't mean they failed at their jobs. Their jobs were to investigate and see what was there. They have already gotten others and do not seem remotely out of steam. Hell an offshoot of Mueller has apparently gotten Trump's lawyer with evidence damming enough a judge okayed a raid and the bar there was quite high.

    8. Re:You're mad by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Alex Jones is so 2015. He wasn't nutty enough for the True Believers, so they'ave graduated to something called #QAnon, which posits that Barack Obama has been arrested and is in Guantanamo awaiting execution and the guy who went to Barbara Bush's funeral was really a body double.

      He's also being sued by a number of people. Some Sandy Hook Parents: http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/1... Some folks from Charlotteville. https://www.huffingtonpost.com... Chobani Yogurt and Pepe the frog's creator as well.

      While he claims Freedom of speech, there are some problems with purposely spreading lies that you know to be lies.

      I think in the first two cases, they have no intention of settling, so there might be a bankrupt the asshole sthick happening.

      I've tried listening to Infowars, but it is just impossible for me to spend more than three minutes listening to that weirdo. It was long enough to state with some certainty that he is one brain cell away from playing with his own turds.

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    9. Re:You're mad by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Yeeeee haw!! I'm a Tolerant Fuckin' Liberal!

      U mad Bro?

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    10. Re:You're mad by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      ...how many years Trump, sons and lawyers are going to collectively get lol?

      Um... none?

      You do realize that the Republicans sent a recommendation for prosecution to the AG for Hillary Clinton,
      James Comey, Andrew McCabe, and Loretta Lynch, right?

      Yes, the Republican party has been working hard to discredit the investigation into the Trump presidential campaign but the truth shall prevail. Also, I have some bad news about the upcoming elections: Democrats are poised to take control of both the House and the Senate. Taking control of the House was previously seen as "impossible" now it's likely and taking the Senate is now within reach. Undoing gerrymandering is doing great things for democracy.

      And unlike nebulous charge of "collusion", the recommendation letter lays out the specific actions these people took and the specific federal laws that were broken.

      Collusion isn't a legal term but Conspiracy and Obstruction of Justice are. It's also possible many other criminal activities will be revealed since the raid on Michael Cohen.

      Also, you do know that the original FISA court warrant was invalid on its face, so any evidence Mueller uncovers would be thrown out, right?

      Actually, it's not and such facts have been reviewed closely. Also, bad news, the raid on Michael Cohen wasn't done by Mueller and thus is a separate investigation by the stated of New York.

      Also, there's been no leaks of evidence from the Muller investigation, even though everything *else* seems to have been leaked. Even when those leaks are a violation of federal law, they still happen, and yet none of them have been about evidence.

      That's not entirely true. It seems to have leaked that Michael Cohen was indeed in Prague which is at the crux of the Russia investigation. However, do note that information only leaks when there is a vested interest in information being leaked. The team of lawyers investigating have a vested interest in information not leaking.

      Also note that impeaching the president is an extremely high bar to clear. President Clinton was caught on camera in a baldfaced lie to congress and the people of the US ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman"), and was acquitted.

      Absolutely. Clinton was being impeached over perjuring himself over an affair. That's a far cry from conspiring with a foreign nation, obstructing justice or whatever other crimes are unveiled.

      You're mad.

      You're ill-informed and/or possibly deluded.

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    11. Re:You're mad by Samurai+Nigel · · Score: 1

      You're going to have to do better than that, troll.

      That would be correctly used, if your source didn't make your argument subject to another logical fallacy.

      How about you agree to never quote Breitbart or Infowars, and the rest of us will never quote Daily Kos or Alternet? Deal?

    12. Re:You're mad by Required+Snark · · Score: 1
      "he is one brain cell away from playing with his own turds"

      His brain is made of turds. Glad to fix that detail for you.

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  8. How long? by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    How long will the CIA director be in jail for allowing this to happen in the first place?

  9. Accountability by stinkyjak · · Score: 1

    Shouldnâ(TM)t those that allowed the âoeattackâ be equally if not more responsibile and subject to the same or stronger penalty?

  10. Re:so he was a minor at the time... by namgge · · Score: 2

    If you dig down through to the source it seems this was a trial in a UK court.

  11. Re:so he was a minor at the time... by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, he was sentenced in the UK (at the Leicester crown court) and tried as a minor, sent to a juvenile prison.

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  12. UK prison? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He'll likely be out in less than a year -- their justice system tends to be more "just" than the US's. Good, the people he hacked couldn't be a nicer bunch of "people."

  13. Re:If he took action against government he is a he by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    You are ruining New Hampshire. The people who have lived there for generations want you to go away.

  14. the right incentives by Jodka · · Score: 1

    Were the CIA serious about IT security it would reward white hats who successfully broke in and penalize those inside the organization who failed to protect against that. Instead, they penalize white hats and there is little to no accountability within government agencies.

    That is not a radical idea, it is the convention outside of government. We know that private companies offer bounties. Those of us who work for companies know that usually someone within the company who screws up is disadvantaged for that.

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    1. Re:the right incentives by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      What exactly made you think this teen was a white hat? It's not like he contacted AOL support again to tell them how bad their phone support staff were and helped them fix their broken training processes.

  15. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Muslims theocracies are bad. Christian theocracies are bad. Jewish theocracies are bad. The fervor to make sure there's enough Jewish people in Israel to be sure the Jewish maintain power makes it a theocracy to me. There's definitely a lot of countries in the region who wish all Jews killed. I understand that there's no reasonable way to placate the Muslims in the region, so even presuming Israel had actually worked to form relations with other countries in the region and assimilate the Palestinians, they'd have found some other excuse to want to kill the Jews.

    It seems obvious then that the Jews in Israel, if they want to not be under that constant death threat, need to leave somewhere else because those threats aren't going away. Either that or they need to conquer the whole region. Those are basically the only two real choices. If they do the latter, the only successful way in the long-term for stability would be to not have a government that's a de facto theocracy. The current situation is just a fucking mess, though.

  16. Re: What could the kid possibly have gotten... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wipe the spittle off your screen, dude.

  17. I would hire this little felon... by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...in a heartbeat.

    Hacking the CIA Director doesn't necessarily mean your hack-fu is incredible, but it probably indicates that your social skills are pretty good.

    That's what I want in an employee. I want somebody who can walk the walk well enough, of course. But my priority is that they make people who can help the company become more successful like and respect us. That's done through the people who speak for you. They don't need to be the brightest star in the sky. They need to be that bright person you would like to work with.

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    1. Re: I would hire this little felon... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Argument from emotion. Would you hire Clapper? Hell no. Why? He's a dishonest scumbag. Same with this kid. He'd exfiltrate your data and you'd be asking, "why?"

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  18. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Where exactly should the Jews go? Obviously not to your country, because you are spewing forth the kind of ignorant hate that got them to leave Europe in the first place.

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  19. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fervor to make sure there's enough Jewish people in Israel to be sure the Jewish maintain power makes it a theocracy to me.

    It would if there were some religious test, or direct control of the government by the church (synagogue?). There isn't, though. "Jewish" is as much a cultural identifier as a religious one, and the government is essentially secular, with Muslim and Christian politicians serving in public office.

    As such, calling it a theocracy is just silly. Israelis aren't worried about trying to make sure that their country is governed by rabbis; they're worried about mass migration resulting in negative cultural changes. Any massive change in the demographics of a nation is going to have a significant impact on how that nation looks and functions.

  20. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It would if there were some religious test, or direct control of the government by the church (synagogue?). There isn't, though. "Jewish" is as much a cultural identifier as a religious one, and the government is essentially secular, with Muslim and Christian politicians serving in public office.

    Yes, let's just ignore the Law of Return. The government might function as a secular one, but the deck is specifically stacked to keep Jews in power.

    As such, calling it a theocracy is just silly. Israelis aren't worried about trying to make sure that their country is governed by rabbis; they're worried about mass migration resulting in negative cultural changes.

    Jewish is a culture isn't the same worldwide, so if they were so concerned about mass migration resulting in negative cultural changes, they'd make migration law based upon cultural standards, not religious ones. Beyond that, yes, near every country has some standard that tries to maintain its cultural identity. I generally consider them bullshit because the notion of a static cultural identity is bullshit.

    Any massive change in the demographics of a nation is going to have a significant impact on how that nation looks and functions.

    Any massive change in time--say a couple decades--will have a significant impact on how the nation looks and feels. Again, read above.
      I call it bullshit. Honest, Israel was created to be Jewish USA in the Middle-East so Jews could have their own country/army to feel safe. That they need western weapons to main superiority in power instead of numbers has made them dependent on the west to exist. It's also only further engendered a hatred that honestly won't disappear any time soon, even under the best circumstances.

    PS - I know what you're really trying to get at: as Israel has adopted religious tolerance as law and matter of fact, but that tolerance only extends about as well as the US's tolerance of non-whites so long as whites feel they're in power. When Israel stops being a "Jewish State". When America stops being a "WASP Country". When the people who grow up there, no matter their religion, gender, color, etc say "I'm an Israeli/American and believe in religious freedom and tolerance" and enforce that and require that on all that migrate to the country and become citizens, then we shall be at a point I'd agree that what you're seeing is not a theocracy in any way.
      At that point, it'll be a country of ideology.

  21. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You call it pragmatic, but expecting them all to leave is not pragmatic, and frankly makes you look silly. You don't need to use so many words.

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  22. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by houghi · · Score: 1

    Leaving Israel does not mean people still wpuld want to kill Jews. Just like thee are people who want to kill Muslims.

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  23. Interests of the USA ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You mean like recruiting, arming, financing and training pretty much every terrorist group since WW2, and breeding dictators everywhere ...?

    Which USA are you talking about? Cause it sure ain't yours, or that of 99% of Americans.

  24. Sure, that's fair by BoFo · · Score: 1

    Gamble hacks Brennan and gets 2 years in prison. Brennan hacks congress and walks free. Nothing wrong with the justice system if you're in the top tier of a two-tiered system.

  25. Re:so he was a minor at the time... by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    It's called a Borstal and it's fairly accurately depicted here https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0...

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  26. Re:so he was a minor at the time... by mjwx · · Score: 2

    No, he was sentenced in the UK (at the Leicester crown court) and tried as a minor, sent to a juvenile prison.

    And given a maximum of 2 years. I think he'll be out before then.

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  27. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Jewish" is one of the least meaningful identifiers there is. It can mean an adherent of the religion, someone who is part of the culture but not necessarily religious, or it can be a race.

    Which just goes to show how silly Jewish conspiracy theories are.

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  28. His actual crime by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    What he really was punished for is to show that the idiots who want every single information about everyone can't keep their own information (and of course ours) secure from a 15 year old kid.

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  29. Revealed by DrYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even if it's just personal correspondence with friends and family, getting into that account reveals all their email addresses, information about their schedules, their writing styles and habits (great for spear phising attacks), all kinds of stuff.

    In practice, given how seldom encryption is used in e-mail, that information isn't very well protected to begin with.

    Nearly nobody outside off /. ers uses GPG, and S/MIME is only used in some peculiar corporate settings.
    Thus nearly all e-mail are clear during the exchange.

    Also not every single e-mail server uses encryption.
    You might have setup your email client to use, e.g.: IMAPS and SMTP with STARTLS.
    But there's no guarantee that you correspondent will have done similar (or uses a webmail over HTTPS).
    And no guarantee either that the various machines along the chain between your SMTP server and your correspondent IMAP server will all use TLS/SSL secured links.

    So a lot of what you've mention can be gather simply by looking at un-encrypted traffic, no need to hack anyone's computer.

    Aside from the embarrassment of having an @aol.com email address, they don't support a lot of basic security tech like 2 factor auth and apparently don't give their support staff any security training, so should not be used for any purpose.

    That's the major problem in my opiion :
    - AOL is stuck in "early 90s" style of internet security.
    - it's not the kid who should get locked in. it's AOL who should be fined for awefully bad security practices.

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  30. THe only interesting thing here by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    The only interesting thing here Is that the director of the CIA is so out of touch he's still using AOL for his primary email address.

    1. Re:THe only interesting thing here by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      if you seach the comments for AOL you'll see that isn't true. He's simply maintained his old AOL account and doesn't use it for anything work related. It's his junk account. Heck my sister still has her old AOL account but it's not her primary one.

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  31. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    It's a miracle; we're actually in agreement for one. Must be a Jewish conspiracy.

  32. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    There are no pure cultures, and ethnically pure states always fail.

    That's a completely vacuous statement. All states eventually fail in one way or another.

    It's even more irrelevant in the context of this discussion given that Israel is one of the least "ethnically pure" states in existence. You're just looking for an excuse to inject your weird political talking points into the discussion.

    Attempting to preserve "borders, language, and culture" is a fools errand.

    Awesome. I'll just let every country in the world know that they're wasting their time with that whole borders thing. Because pope fatso says so.

    You end up with some white supremacist jackoff stripping off his clothes and murdering people in a Waffle House.with an AR-15 after complaining on Facebook about the Illuminati and the Jews.

    If you actually paid attention to what's going on in the world instead of getting yourself into a tizzy over the latest "news" outrage you might occasionally come up with a comment that's worth taking seriously. Luckily this seems to be a remote possibility.

  33. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    All states eventually fail in one way or another.

    Well, Iran and Egypt beg to differ. Still going strong after more than 5000 years.

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  34. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    I don't know if Christianity is next, but that'd be my guess.

    Your guess is that Christianity is going to die next?

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  35. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    That's pretty funny. I guess Germany is a good example that "ethnically pure" states don't fail either, then. In which case, which ethnically pure states were you referring to exactly?

  36. Re:"Hacking" by Required+Snark · · Score: 1

    He only uses his AOL account for trolling on Slashdot.

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  37. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I guess Germany is a good example that "ethnically pure" states don't fail either, then.

    Germany is not ethnically pure, and it's brief flirtation ended up with it being split in two.

    In which case, which ethnically pure states were you referring to exactly?

    All of them. Ethnically pure states fail. None exist, and whenever an effort arises to create one, it's always an express elevator to Hell.

     

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  38. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    All of them

    Awesome, thanks for being so specific.

  39. Re: He helped the Free Palestine Movement so.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Japan.

    Japan was a monoculture until their efforts at ethnic purity almost led to their destruction in 1945.

    Today, Japan is actually a pretty diverse place. You will find Africans, white people, Europeans and folks from all over Asia. They don't have the levels of immigration that most Western countries have, but they are by no means an ethnic state.

    If you wanted to propose more ethnically pure states, Poland and Hungary might be more appropriate, but they're actually pretty diverse too.

    As I've stated, ethnic purity is a death sentence for societies. Those places just don't exist any more, and that's a good thing.

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