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Amazon Has a Top-Secret Plan to Build Home Robots (bloomberg.com)

After making smart speakers a household product (at least to some), Amazon seems to have found its next big consumer product: robots. Amazon is building smart robots that are equipped with cameras that let them drive around homes, Bloomberg reported Monday. These robots could launch as soon as next year. From the report: Codenamed "Vesta," after the Roman goddess of the hearth, home and family, the project is overseen by Gregg Zehr, who runs Amazon's Lab126 hardware research and development division based in Sunnyvale, California. Lab126 is responsible for Amazon devices such as the Echo speakers, Fire TV set-top-boxes, Fire tablets and the ill-fated Fire Phone.

The Vesta project originated a few years ago, but this year Amazon began to aggressively ramp up hiring. There are dozens of listings on the Lab 126 Jobs page for openings like "Software Engineer, Robotics" and "Principle Sensors Engineer." People briefed on the plan say the company hopes to begin seeding the robots in employees' homes by the end of this year, and potentially with consumers as early as 2019, though the timeline could change, and Amazon hardware projects are sometimes killed during gestation.

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  1. And only Will Smith can stop them! by Kenja · · Score: 2

    I assume.... and perhaps it's the Will Smith from tested.com

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    1. Re:And only Will Smith can stop them! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Will Smith gave in. The last sentence of his autobiography reads, "I now love Big Brother and robots; they are one in the same."

    2. Re:And only Will Smith can stop them! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      If it is just a "camera and speaker with wheels", with no ability to navigate stairs or open doors, then that has been done before, and is not very useful. If it can do more, there is no mention of that in the video to TFA.

    3. Re:And only Will Smith can stop them! by vtcodger · · Score: 2

      Yep. If I had a TOP SECRET plan, the first thing I'd do is tell Bloomberg News about it.

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    4. Re:And only Will Smith can stop them! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      If it is just a "camera and speaker with wheels", with no ability to navigate stairs or open doors, then that has been done before, and is not very useful. If it can do more, there is no mention of that in the video to TFA.

      "Been done before" doesn't mean it won't be successful with Amazon's vast marketing department and public good-will.

      Smart phones had been done before the iPhone. Smart watches had been done before the pebble. Electric vehicles had been done before Tesla. That didn't stop those companies launching successful products.

      As for "not very useful", no, probably not, but "cutesy and cool" will gather market share- it will be a self navigating Alexa most likely. I'm sure sell a few hundred thousand of them and it will bring in enough money for R&D to add some useful features. The data and feedback they get from customers will suggest ideas that they might be able to legitimately tackle.

      I agree with you that it's been done before, and probably not very useful, but I wouldn't put it beyond Amazon, making a successful product from this anyway.

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    5. Re:And only Will Smith can stop them! by gnick · · Score: 1

      no ability to navigate stairs or open doors, then that has been done before

      Daleks don't need stairs; they level the building.

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  2. Huh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    not so "top-secret" if I can read about it on slashdot

    1. Re:Huh.. by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      not so "top-secret" if I can read about it on slashdot

      That makes you an insider! Aren't you excited??

    2. Re:Huh.. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      not so "top-secret" if I can read about it on slashdot

      That makes you an insider! Aren't you excited??

      I feel like 1 in a million

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  3. Alexa sexbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Prime membership unlocks multiple new positions!

  4. Oh that's great! by DaMattster · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There is no way in the shady side of hell that I would ever let an Amazon robot inside my home. Given the IoT security problems and the like, I couldn't trust it not to get hacked by voyeur or have it collect data from some of the most intimate parts of my life. Amazon can go suck some huge green balls!

    1. Re:Oh that's great! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      The problem is, once x% of the population does something, it's easier for governments to push laws that requires you to do it, too.

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    2. Re:Oh that's great! by PeopleAquarium · · Score: 2

      It would be too computationally expensive to house the 'brains' inside the robot. Far cheaper to stream it's interactions to the cloud. Most people will gladly trade their privacy for a robot that can wash the dishes, or do the laundry though. People trade it now just to play Farmville.

    3. Re:Oh that's great! by RobinH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's already "hacked" by a voyeur: Amazon! There was an article last year about the Roomba (or Neato?) CEO saying he wanted to collect information about the inside of your home and sell it. This Amazon stuff (Alexa, robot) is exactly for this purpose. Forget that.

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    4. Re:Oh that's great! by jetkust · · Score: 1

      And on top of that, in 10 years, he'll be posting on Slashdot through his Amazon robot.

    5. Re:Oh that's great! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Amazon can go suck some huge green balls!

      Careful what you ask for; they're working on a pleasure bot.

    6. Re:Oh that's great! by PeopleAquarium · · Score: 1

      So you think it's less expensive to house the brains for an army of these robots in some giant datafarm than in people's homes?

      Yes, because it is. Shared resources make things like machine learning, speech recognition, and image recognition much cheaper at scale. There are a ton of products doing it this way already. Additionally, the average person can't afford and does not want, a rack full of servers in their home, and even if they did... they couldn't afford it. However, by sharing that rack full of servers with other users many more people can effectively share the same hardware and bring prices down to a reasonable level.

      The network connections to these datafarms add a huge latency, and if the CPU needs are non-trivial, it is just not practical to offload the load to the server farm.

      The latency is not a big deal. We're talking a few hundred milliseconds, or less, if you've got a proper CDN and a decent pipe. I stream games through my Nvidia Shield all the time and seldom notice any delay between the button being pressed and the screen updating. Or when I speak to Alexa, Ok Google, or Siri. That tiny delay is certainly better than human reaction time, and certainly less time then it would take for a single weak local CPU to perform the task that just occupied dozens of cores with TB's of memory in the cloud for a fraction of a millisecond.

      AWS works because it allows small numbers of people to burst use thousands of CPUs for a short period of time. If instead you have huge numbers of people using relatively few CPUs each, it's cheaper to have the CPUs locally. And this idiotic push for cloud apps focuses on apps that leave your CPU idle 99.99% of the time like MS Word. If you really need CPU power, you can't load it in the cloud.

      This just isn't true. It's more cost effective to host resource-intensive tasks in data centers and stream the results in most or many cases. That's why Google, Amazon, Apple, Nvidia, and a ton of other people are both offering the services and using them in their own products.

      And do you think self-drive cars will offload CPU load to the cloud?

      Yes. Eventually, the car will have a local CPU as failback, and will operate with reduced functionality when a connection is unavailable or unsuitable.

    7. Re:Oh that's great! by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Brains?

      Think of the Zombies!

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    8. Re:Oh that's great! by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Eventually, the car will have a local CPU as failback, and will operate with reduced functionality when a connection is unavailable or unsuitable.

      Like when it is out of the showroom?

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  5. Alexa? by bobstreo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "No matter what I said before, please tell the robot to stop killing Jehova's Witnesses when they come to the door."

    1. Re:Alexa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do it before?

    2. Re:Alexa? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      No no, you don't snuff them, you refer them to the Mormons.

  6. Re:Click bait by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

    Does it involve mycleanpc.com?

  7. Where's Rosie, the robotic maid? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    I sort of expect that nobody who is alive today will see it be a reality, however.

    1. Re:Where's Rosie, the robotic maid? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      A Roomba doesn't have enough sass to truly replace Rosey the Robot.

      Notably in the Jetsons people didn't normally buy household robots, they rented them. Perhaps that's a business model still worth exploring.

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    2. Re:Where's Rosie, the robotic maid? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Notably in the Jetsons people didn't normally buy household robots, they rented them.

      You mean like robot365?

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    3. Re:Where's Rosie, the robotic maid? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The sass is a cool nice to have, but honestly, I'd settle entirely for just being able to actually automate the butler/maid functionality properly.

      A roomba can vacuum a level floor, but can't move furniture to vacuum underneath it, nor vacuum the sofa or bed to clear them of cat hair.

      A roomba will also not put dishes in the dishwasher and put them away when they are clean, it will not do your laundry for you and neatly fold all laundry and put them in their appropriate place when clean.

      Not to mention that a roomba can't do any of the other housework that isn't vacuuming, like organizing and putting things away, laundry and dishes, et al.

      I know that such a machine would not be cheap, but I doubt it will ever even exist in my lifetime... perhaps my grandkids will have children that might have such things though.

  8. Is Bezos a prisoner? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Is he trying to send us a secret message about the amazon clouds evil plans?

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    1. Re:Is Bezos a prisoner? by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, his responses are limited. You must ask the right questions.

  9. "Principal" not "Principle" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Amazon's job site has it right. The article author has it wrong. A principal is a chief or head, particularly of a school. Principal can also be used as an adjective meaning “first or highest in rank, importance, or value,” as in The principal objective of this article is to teach you the difference between two words. A principle, on the other hand, is “rule of action or conduct” or “a fundamental doctrine or tenet.” http://www.dictionary.com/e/pr...

  10. Spammatic [Re:Oh that's great!] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    A roaming bot with a camera could be a big source of sales and related spam. The bot could tell what's worn out or missing from your home, and forward suggestions of replacement products of a matching size and style preference to Alexa, your email inbox, and/or web ads. It could become the ultimate targeted spam engine: Truman Show for the masses.

  11. I can't wait for it to respond to a request with.. by 8127972 · · Score: 2

    .... "I'm sorry Jeff, I'm afraid I can't do that."

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  12. If people are comfortable with the idea by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1, Informative

    of having trojan horses inside their homes, why not.

  13. Really? No kidding? by Ulfilas2000 · · Score: 1

    Take an Alexa, stick some wheels on it and a motor and voila, home robot. Who's surprised?

  14. Loyalty by sdinfoserv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The main difference between an Amazon, Google or FB robot or any smart assistant is loyalty. All the shows and cartoons we grew up that had robots - we still wish for - have their loyalty to us, the owners. They assist us, perform tasks for us, and protect us, till their own demise if necessary.
    Today's "robots" won't be "owned" by us. You will will "lease the right to use them for X period of time". Make no mistake, these self moving spy devices will maintain their allegiance to the corporate overlord for the sole purpose of injecting themselves into your most personal thoughts and decisions, in the very fabric of your personal life so they can continually monitor, digest, live stream and sell to the highest bidder. oh, and share with any acronym agency when the secret court demands.
    Even if they "agree" not sell your data directly - it will be completely scrap able via api's.

    1. Re:Loyalty by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      One idea is that the device will be continuously transmitting data to its owner. Another bother is when one lives at the beach, rust and termites are always present.

    2. Re:Loyalty by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      If termites are such a problem, I will have a lot of trouble hacking it with my sonic screwdriver.

  15. Rosie! Get me a fire extinguisher! by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    Rosie, quick, get me a fire extinguisher, the sauce has started on fire!
    Mrs. Jetson, I see your extinguisher is getting old. Would you not prefer a new extinguisher certified in all 50 states including the new California standard? I find 7 models available, 4 with prime memberships and 2 with same day shipping? Shall I order the highest rated extinguisher for you?
    No! Rosie, quick! bring me the one under the sink!
    I'm sorry Mrs. Jetson, I see that your existing extinguisher does not comply with the latest OSHA standards, and as such, liability exclusions in section 34, sub paragraph 15 of the End user Licence agreement mandate I am not allowed to interface with non-compliant items. Would you like me to tell read that sub paragraph to you?
    No thank you Rosie. the kitchen just burned down.

  16. Re:The title needs changed by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1

    Amazon marketing announces new project formerly code named Vesta

    There, is that about right?

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  17. What's it for? by ath1901 · · Score: 1

    So the news is that Amazon might build a "home robot" but nobody knows what it might do. Have Alexa follow you around the house? Great... That's underwhelming to say the least.

    What could you possibly do with small floor based robot with no limbs? The only useful thing I can think of is to remove the camera and stick a vacuum cleaner in there. I'm sure no one has thought of that yet...

    1. Re:What's it for? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking of the house keeping machine featured on the Jetsons. It was funny then, now?

  18. Re:Click bait by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    listened, for a little bit, to your rant about /. i cannot help but wonder why buy /.? why not just start your own version of /.? and make it the way you would like to see /.?

  19. OK Amazon, Here Is What I Need by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    A machine that can clean my 3 story home; no, I am not joking. This machine also has to be able to repair and maintain my home. I would respectfully suggest getting this request "full filled." Honestly, I am already looking. Cooking will be the next requested upgrade.

  20. Re:Rosie! Get me a fire extinguisher! by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Well, using accidents that happen the home would be a good way to test the device. Also, the test that simulates a Tornado.

  21. suspicious promo codes... by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    Should have been more suspicious about that promo code, CIAFBIFSB

  22. Nope. by briancox2 · · Score: 1

    Not any more they don't.

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  23. Guaranteed to Fail by Required+Snark · · Score: 1
    Just like Google Glasses.

    The key phrase: "the company hopes to begin seeding the robots in employees' homes". The pool of Google employees is a demographic that relates to no other demographic in the world except other massive Silicon Valley companies or Microsoft. What other group is extremely well educated, has a high income, an extremely skewed rate of people on the Asperger spectrum, very limited cultural diversity, a glaring lack of women, and is completely immersed in technology?

    Let's face it: Google workers often don't even have a home life. They're at work all the time. Some of them live in dorms or sleep in their cars.

    So how is testing with that group going to be any help when it comes to making a robot work with normal households? Normal homes have old people, babies, children, pets, visitors, repair workers, cleaning people, etc. There are shut ins and people with physical and mental impairments. It can be a changing cast of characters or a fixed set of people.

    Just like facial recognition, there will not be enough diversity to cover real world situations. Xbox face tracking failed at first because the training sets were mostly white men, so when women or people of different backgrounds were trying to use the system they were not recognized as trackable faces. Same with Apple face recognition software.

    Silicon Valley never learns. They are in a near impenetrable bubble of their own making. When it comes to deployment in the real world, they always come up short. (Now think about how well self driving cars are going to perform when they are widely used...)

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