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Chinese Tech Companies Post Men-Only Job Listings, Report Finds (theverge.com)
Major Chinese tech companies like Huawei, Alibaba, and Tencent discriminate against women in their online job listings, a new report from Human Rights Watch found today. Some job postings directly state they are for men only, while others specify that women must have attractive appearances and even be a certain height. The Verge reports: The Human Rights Watch report reveals gender discrimination amongst major tech companies, as in the rest of Chinese society, is common and widespread. Search engine Baidu listed a job for content reviewers in March 2017 stating that applicants had to be men with the "strong ability to work under pressure, able to work on weekends, holidays and night shifts." The conglomerate Tencent, which owns WeChat, the massive game Honor of Kings, and a majority stake in League of Legends, was found to have posted an ad for a sports content editor in March 2017, stating it was looking for "strong men who are able to work nightshifts."
And Alibaba, despite Jack Ma touting the company's inclusiveness, merited an entire case study from the Human Rights Watch report. The report noted the e-commerce giant came under fire in 2015 for posting a job ad on its site for a "computer programmer's motivator" seeking women applicants with physical characteristics like Japanese adult film star Sola Aoi. Alibaba removed the reference to Sola Aoi after media reported on it, but kept the ad on the site. As recently as January this year, Alibaba still mentioned "men preferred" in job listings for "restaurant operations support specialist" positions. Tech companies also often tout the attractive women they've hired as incentives for more men to come on board, according to the HRW report. Both Tencent and Baidu were noted to have posted to their social media accounts interviews with male employees who cited having beautiful women around them as an incentive for working there.
And Alibaba, despite Jack Ma touting the company's inclusiveness, merited an entire case study from the Human Rights Watch report. The report noted the e-commerce giant came under fire in 2015 for posting a job ad on its site for a "computer programmer's motivator" seeking women applicants with physical characteristics like Japanese adult film star Sola Aoi. Alibaba removed the reference to Sola Aoi after media reported on it, but kept the ad on the site. As recently as January this year, Alibaba still mentioned "men preferred" in job listings for "restaurant operations support specialist" positions. Tech companies also often tout the attractive women they've hired as incentives for more men to come on board, according to the HRW report. Both Tencent and Baidu were noted to have posted to their social media accounts interviews with male employees who cited having beautiful women around them as an incentive for working there.
Other cultures are actually different, Euro and Euro derived cultures are shocked to discover!
"This isn't the diversity we had in mind", activists quoted as saying ...
Both Tencent and Baidu were noted to have posted to their social media accounts interviews with male employees who cited having beautiful women around them as an incentive for working there.
That's crazy talk; no way do men like being surrounded by beautiful women!
Male programmers are better and women distract them.
How are they going to check if the woman has a pixilated crotch?
Anyone stirring social unrest in China risks getting government-paid one way ticket to a reeducation camp. So there aren't any SJWs in China.
What this point demonstrates that it is Liberalism, Freedom of Speech, and strong protections of Personal Rights that allow SJWs to exist. Ironically, SJWs are against Freedom of Speed (preferring freedom from being offended), are very illiberal, and actively advocate for discrimination and diminishing of rights of majority.
the one child policy has lead to a lot of men their!
This is the ultimate opportunity to use the scientific method to prove which is the superior way of doing this. We have a "sexist/madmen" society in China and a "tolerant, inclusive, sensitive" society in the United States. If the United States comes out on top/stays on top over the next 20 years, the SJWs can declare victory. If not, we can all say that their worldview has been fundamentally falsified by a direct comparison of two very different societal paradigms.
(Yes, my money is on China because China is betting on male aggressiveness and competitiveness whereas the United States is increasingly convinced that there is nothing wrong with men that cannot be fixed by making us more like women.)
But the fact that they only enslave men is?
Something was lost in the translation.
That sheds an even worse light on chinese programmers than on chinese companies....
It's a sad life if the best thing about your job is the gorgeous.... whatever an software developer motivator is.
bickerdyke
Dealing with women in the workplace is such a PITA in the US.
End women's suffrage!
And yet, the US has Hooters. Hooters gets away with only hiring women as servers because of BFOQ. That's Bona Fide Occupational Qualifications. While they were sued many years ago, they only agreed to put men in other positions but they never agreed to hire men for server roles. How is this different?
These adds or requirements are written that way because there is a gain involved.
Even in the West, it is assumed that top female models must be beautiful and shapely. It is so obvious, there's no need to state it in the job description. No one would blink an eye. But in other areas, people are more sensitive. How about the military? Infantry work often requires brute strength. Lifting and carrying 100+ lb artillery shells from a bunker to the gun is a typical job that WILL come up in a genuine wartime situation. And it must be done FAST and SAFELY. There can be NO excuses (or dropped shells - he he). Even young guys have difficulty as it is quite a workout. But try and point that out in our present political environment. A commander would be roasted. There are plenty of other jobs like this. Is it worth bringing them up? Even this example can get some "hot under the collar".
Both men and women have strengths that provide gains, depending on what is being done. People should have the common sense to respect that. In some ways, I think China is simply more honest in this area.
Unlike what leftists would have you believe, western culture is not the absolute worst, and in fact we should not simply destroy our culture by replacing it with the culture from other countries.
Stop it? Do you really want a woman to have to work crushing hours, 80+ hours per week, night shifts, and weekends? This is inhumane, but men are expendable for society. Men cannot bear children, so they can work in dangerous condition with little danger to the continuation of the society. Women on the other hand are extremely valuable. kill 19 out of every 20 men but leave all the 20 women intact, in 20 years you still have 20 kids to replenish the workforce. Kill 19 of 20 women and leave all the 20 men intact, in 20 years you will have 2 kids to replace the workforce, plus some of the 20 men will kill each other in the mean time.
It is perfectly fine to specify men only when the work include hazardous and inhuman conditions, like the ones outlined. What's the real problem here?
Do you think it is a coincidence that in war women and children are generally off limits and only men are considered enemy combatants and subject to elimination? Wake up. 80+ hour work weeks are war.
I'm a high tech professional at a well known US Laboratory which has all of the usual diversity is great program mandates, political correctness preferences, unconscious bias training re-education etc.
We have several women professionals employed at our facility. However, you never see these women working nights, weekends, by themselves, call in work, etc. You might see that they responded to an email, but that's about it.
Just this last weekend we had a major push at our facility to meet program schedule requirements following an upgrade so a lot of us were at work all weekend, day and night. No women, all were men.
I'm married and I have a daughter, and no, I would not want them to be going out by themselves at night to work.
I have a son, and he goes to jobs by himself, he is on call, he works odd hours, and we are all OK with it.
This is the real world.
prsdntl
hi, progressive feminist here. No I don't want gender segregation, and you're full of sit for claiming I do.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Case in point below. The founder eventually concluded that it was a bad idea from the standpoint of productivity, but it never seems to have occurred to her that her policy was deeply sexist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem...
I think America needs to have a gender equality tariff, as well as a child labor tariff, and other social engineering that we're doing here at home applied to the possibly advantageous business practices of our international competitors. Those companies found to be doing such discrimination would get the tariff. Tariff by company? Can we do that? Lets try it and see if it flies...
Why all this gender discrimination?
This isn't really news to anyone who has lived in China. Someone has found a tech angle to grab headlines, but a more accurate encapsulation would be, "Labor market discrimination is legal and open in China." I lived in China for four years; I'm white, my wife is Indian. There were all kinds of "hire-a-foreigner" jobs (mostly teaching English but a range of other things) that were open to me but not to her, and they were advertised as such. (As opposed to the West I guess where they just don't call you back -- but still, it's worse.) If you want to see some of these postings. go to thebeijinger.com and scroll through the help wanted ads. Some of these postings are for US-headquartered companies, which possibly makes them a violation of US labor law, if anyone wants to pursue that. In the Chinese-language job boards, things can be even weirder. Even the train system openly said that they were looking for women in their 20s as train attendants for the high-speed railway. And that's the government doing the hiring. There isn't any kind of social consensus that discrimination is a bad thing (though plenty of people think it is), so don't expect it to change soon.
They don't care about workplace sexual harassment or the wage gap in China. This is driven purely by old fashioned ideas about women. You know the sort of thing - meek, emotional, distracting, take a week off every month to menstruate, will probably get pregnant and drop out completely etc.
I know some Chinese women are turning to doing contract work over the internet, software development and that kind of thing, using fake male names. When it's time to get paid they just say "sent it to my wife" and give their real WePay account.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
At some point, to progress human rights, we must be willing to draw a line and say 'this cannot be tolerated'. Intolerance such as this lies on the far side of such a line, and most reasonable people would understand the important contradiction inherent in 'absolute tolerance'.
> Whining about mod points
Is this all you have to look forward to?
with the "strong ability to work under pressure, able to work on weekends, holidays and night shifts."
Ability is not the same as willingness...
You have not provided evidence. Perhaps you do not understand what the word means.
A country with appalling child labor practices, and this is what you have a problem with? Get some god damn priorities, people.
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No abuse of mod points to suppress information they're
"They're"??? I usually ignore there-their-they're mixups, but this crosses a line. Apostrophes replace letters. In this case, the apostrophe replaces the 'a' in 'are'. "They're" means "they are". "There" means there.
Being healthy is a difficult skill to master. Being attractive is even harder. Why is ok to choose one person because they have a higher GPA but not someone else because they can do more lunges? If the job includes any manual labor or customer facing time than it is applicable to the job. I would be pissed if someone ugly got the job over me just because a company was pressured to pick someone with more education. 50% of what they teach you in school is wrong. Maybe I got the half that was correct? You insensitive cold.
They are shown annually on TV (IIRC, CCTV3) in China.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Never saw a man working as "cheer man".....what are cheer ladies for?
While true, that's not really and specific reason to EXCLUDE females. It would totally explain a natural discrepancy but they're talking about an actual stated prohibition on female applicants.
In then end though China does indeed have a population problem and though I hate the method the excess males will likely help solve it. Their cultural preference there has led to an imbalance where a lot of their population will never have the opportunity to reproduce.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
The news over the last few days has reported on a women-only co-working space in the Bay Area called "The Coven." Women-only and themed after witchcraft.
If men created a men-only workspace and called it "The Monastery," it would be hated on 24-7 by the self-appointed intelligentsia. Hypocrisy abounds.
So let me get this straight, the AC who promotes gender-segregation gets modded up and the progressive feminist who says nothing more than the non-controversial statement that doesn't want gender segregation gets modded down?
Almost all of the delusions plaguing the modern world regarding gender difference come from the presence of modern technology.
But imagine if we were all transported into a world where the technological level of civilization is what it was in 2,000 BCE. Who would be best suited for physically demanding tasks like hunting? Who would be best suited for domestic tasks like home care and raising children?
The presence of technology obscures the way things actually are in nature and confuses people as to reality, but it can't change the law of nature. Gender difference is natural and good, no matter what the anti-human technocrats tell us.
Try producing healthy, intelligent, diverse children without a multitude of men. And that's just the statistical-biological dynamic; much more could be said about the sociological dynamic of the fact that by nature, children are intended to be raised by both a father and mother (who bring different strengths and emphases to parenthood).
But if you're a Marxist dystopian whose primary goal is to produce a race of sub-human, genderless robots who all look, think, and act the same, then you have a good plan.
They be skewing mun gendur balances and shit. Progressive stack y'all. Minorities first.
Doesn't seem so old-fashioned when Western countries are constantly adding new regulations requiring employers to pay absent pregnant women, and there are also proposals that women should get paid days off during menstruation. That's bleeding-edge feminism
All Warriors against Injustice. All Lawyers. All people that want to see the spread of equality. Now is the time for action. You MUST move to China. There you will find the misogyny and injustice that you soo need to find and fight. You can perfect yourself, and fight the good fight against intolerance. Spread the gospel of equality to a rising economy that needs to be slowed down so that disadvantaged minorities can participate. (less blacks in China than there are in Alaska)
If enough you leave, our economy might finally wake up. Also bring along with you the entire cadre of Harvard edumicated CEO's that are soo concerned with stock holder value. I think China badly needs these people too. They can work with you, hand in hand, to build corporate vision statement, company equal opportunity and environmental stewardship policies. You will be in HEAVEN. and so will the United States without you. Hell you hate the USA. and the USA hates you. Best leave the evil imperialists west for new virgin untrammeled territory.
My wife lived in Italy for a couple decades, and at one point she pointed out ads for different jobs that said you had to be "good looking" to get the job, or under a certain age. This is common and (mostly) accepted. It's not just China that has this discrimination, the western world has it too.
It happens here in the US too, it's just not as pervasive, and not as public. Try to get a job at certain clothing stores without looking gorgeous, or if you're fat. We're not quite as equal and egalitarian as we presume.
We tell girls that life is all about their appearance. This is a cruel message but is probably pretty accurate. We tell boys the sweet like that the world will value them based on their accomplishments. This leads to them studying hard subjects (like engineering and computer science), building careers, and expecting their reward. But they don't get attention from women (Most of us wouldn't win a beauty contest) and then feel resentful.
Those negative feelings get channeled as misogyny which is a shame. I guess if every woman needs a man for economic survival, their chances of finding girlfriends might be trivially higher. But not much. If I were a woman, I'd rather try to change the social norms than date some of the /. crowd!
What about Saudi Arabia, where you wouldn't even be allowed t drive, much less have many other rights? ... I think it is massively wrong to have "men only" jobs.
It may be my little corner of the western World (Germany), but "Man Jobs" and "Woman Jobs" certainly exist here. It's not just the commonly sited professions of computer programming, primary school teaching or garbage collection, either. Where I work, we have "Programmers" (75 employees, one woman) and "Account Managers" (100 employees, maybe 5 men).
I made a very interesting discovery when I had kids and my wife and I decided that I should be the primary caregiver while my wife be the primary earner (she's a nurse and earns more than a programmer). I needed a part time job. I started applying for things with "flexible hours" in the job description; mostly secretary jobs. I never got a single offer. After a while, my total lack of income put us in a hard situation and I went back to working full time as a programmer while my wife started looking for work a secretary. She got lots of job offers and even started at one job, but when she went to actually negotiate her "flexible hours" she discovered that she was actually expected to work _more_ than as a nurse. We could not figure it out, and frankly it was a pretty big stress on our marriage for a while.
We have a friend who works in HR who we were talking to about this. It turns out, "Flexible hours" is code in Germany for "Women only". "Challenging" is code for "Men only".
TL:DR; It is nice to live in the west in this day and age, but don't walk around criticizing other cultures like your shit don't stink.
I'm pretty sure you could come up with data that shows that attractive people produce greater levels of customer satisfaction, higher sales, and so on, so why isn't being good looking a BOFQ for a lot of jobs?
It's funny, but in IT the majority of women sales people I encounter are way better looking than the male sales people. I had to sit through a sales meeting the other day and the 4 women there were all super attractive -- I don't just mean well dressed, or slim, etc, but were 5/5 on all the sub measures -- great figure, great hair, great outfits, it was like they could have gone out and gotten modeling jobs, but instead they sold IT stuff for major companies you have heard from and used.
I can't decide what drives this. It could just be the people who do the hiring had the pick of the litter and chose the best looking among otherwise equal candidates. It could be some kind of self-selection bias, where people who go into sales have high levels of self-esteem and this biases the pool towards attractive women who would tend to be more confident and outgoing among all women. It could be that they were merely average looking but above average in personal presentation, and being women, better at personal grooming on average than most men (especially men in IT, even sales), thus making them only appear to better looking.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I can't help but think it's not just a coincidence, and that they were actually selected based on their appearance and they get sent in as eye candy or "closers" to motivate certain clients based on their appearance. I would think this would be a long-term problem/discrimination complaint risk or just ineffective (many IT buyers are working with budgets that don't move because the salesperson has a great ass, or insulted because they're into the technology and feel they're being manipulated).
I wonder what would have happened if he were full of stand.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
...and there are also proposals that women should get paid days off during menstruation. That's bleeding-edge feminism.
No pun intended?
I bet those dirty Chinese are absolutely shaking in their boots right now. Oh goodness, someone is telling them that they're not being fair! Quick, take to twatter oh ye warriors of feminism, shame those industrious bastards back to the rice fields! Oh, what's that, they don't care? Better call the wambulance.
The Department of Mathematics at the University of Melbourne posted and filled a women-only faculty position in 2017. Of course, no headlines were made.
Wow. I've seem some misogynist trolling on Slashdot, but it's far worse when you try to come over all reasonable and matter of fact about it.
People keep telling me we are all equal now and we don't need feminism any more, but then comments like this get modded as "insightful". Lewis' Law still stands.
As I said, I don't think denying the underlying problems are going to help. Pretending that there aren't any biological baggage that need addressing, and that we can get to full equality, trust and respect through fiat is like sticking your fingers in your ears and go NA-NA-NA.
The biological imperative will always be a factor, and we cannot reach equality unless we take it into account.
Look, if it upsets you that much, post your address and Iâ(TM)ll be glad to mail you a hanky. A nice pink one to go with your politics.
Now, now. Thereâ(TM)s nothing wrong with him a good punch in the face wouldnâ(TM)t fix.
Wanted. Male Sales Girls.
Chinese people will walk up to a black person on the street and say "why are you so black, get out of our country, criminal," and not think twice about it. Ask anyone who lives there.
Personally, I'm of two minds on the issue of gender segregation.
On one hand, integration of women into male-dominated spaces helps reduce misogynistic beliefs and attitudes.
On the other hand, opening female spaces to males just doesn't sit well with me, it's like opening up a safe space for victims of oppression so that their oppressors can join in too.
So it boils down to privilege and the patriarchy. Because of the power differential between men and women in a patriarchal society, I believe it's fair to preserve female spaces while pursuing female integration into male-dominated spaces.
Lots of Chinese women get pregnant and quit their jobs. It's not considered a bad thing there. The idea that a woman's career is more important than her family has only taken hold among high-achieving women - most of whom can't find husbands because their standards are unrealistically sky-high.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Shut up, Ed. The SJW voting bloc has intervened to give serviscope yet another undeserved +5 for a third grade level comment, as you can see.
Oh look, a feminist is infuriated. How unusual.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
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#ImperialSJW
the men are more productive if they on-the-clock if they have nothing but other chinese men to look at for the 16 hours a day they're enslaved by their masters and/or government (who owns parts or all of many of them)
It's well-known that us men don't have the brain capacity or stamina to make it through the rigors of higher education.
And anyway, once men graduate, we're just going to work for a couple years, meet a woman, and leave work to start a family.
We're really best suited for being homemakers. It's just biology.
China is brilliant in many ways, they're also backwater hicksville in many others.
The question of how one can fill jobs seems like it may become a vast differentiator in how powerful the businesses of different nations can be. On the one hand, an encouraging approach seems likely to pay off in the long term. On the other, there are lots of jobs with specific needs, and a lot of hiring managers feel they could get efficient results by narrowing their search.
The potential for these systems (either the American or the Chinese) to be twisted could grow as more distinctions become evident. It's one thing to screen for gender and work permit status; to also go on height, political inclination, and more is a version of this that seems more and more plausible. Conventional wisdom suggests that these tactics would pay off in the short term, but not over the long term. Things that can't bend will eventually break.
So how does one wean private businesses off of the lollipop before it rots their teeth? I think flipping a coin could be a surprisingly effective equalizer. If you have a man and a woman who can both do a job, rather than picking a gender, just flip a coin. Even if this approach is only used occasionally, it's better than heterodoxy.
...the country that doesn't have two shits to give about civil rights. Why is this news?
China's One Child Policy, is now a Two Child Policy
The one-child policy, a part of the family planning policy, was a population planning policy of China. It was introduced in 1979 and began to be formally phased out near the end of 2015 and the beginning of 2016. ... According to the Chinese government, 400 million births were prevented.
They are going to be overtaking Japan in the development of sex bots.
And the Chinese probably wont make them all children.
... men with the "strong ability to work under pressure, able to work on weekends, holidays and night shifts."
Obviously, women are not idiot enough to apply for such a job.
according to you, a progressive feminist saying that they don't want something is not evidence that progressive feminists don't want it.
That's literally a piece of evidence on what progressive feminists want. I note you didn't demand evidence for the original claim.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Both sides get down modded. Your alt-right paranoia just shows how insecure you are (modding shouldn't bother you one way or the other.)
In fact, a bit of patience and you would have seen her original post is at a +4
I can't tell if you are joking but I really hope you are.
Female only places are ok because women need safe spaces? Do you realize how condescending that sounds? The hypocrisy is pretty self evident which you tried to address by being condensing.
I'd say, simply, that my freedom to choose who I associate with trumps the right of anyone to associate with me and I'll support the right of others to choose who they associate with, even if I disagree with their reasons for doing so.
see here.
That said if you're not good looking you probably aren't going to make it there, or anywhere, as a waiter or waitress. Your money is made on tips, and the best way to get tips is flirting.
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there's always a way to regress. We've only been without slavery in America for a few hundred years, and we dabble in it with private prisons. Blacks and Women haven't had the right to vote for very long and it's only recently that being gay wasn't a death sentence (ask Alan Turing).
As the saying goes, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. I suppose it's not a much of a war when you've won, but you're still on the defensive. At least for the several thousand years it takes for human civilization to fundamentally change to the point where everyone agrees on what is barbarism.
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Both sides get down modded.
These things are not equivalent. One post got modded up for posting made up facts and the other got modded down for pointing they were made up facts.
In fact, a bit of patience and you would have seen her original post is at a +4
It is now, but it was not. It being modded down was a definite abuse of mod points. Apparently pointing out blatant mod abuse counts as trolling too now.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
In my experience at North American companies, Chinese women are more likely to get hired for pure tech roles than white women because the stereotype "Asians are good at tech" balances out the stereotype "women are bad at tech". I'm not sure if two wrongs make a right in this case.
Bikini Models and Comfort Women?
No - but two Wongs will make it white! Support your local Chinese laundry!
You aren't hiring women to be eye pleasing to fuck, she's there to program.
With women shortage to mate in China and shortage of female in engineer field you would think they would set the bar lower. Having 100 male programmers with 1 pretty female programmer all sit in close proximity, it isn't going to end up pretty. Unless they can make it into survival the fittest/battle royale type of coding competition
Sooooo your premise is it is fair to treat the sexes differently.
Well, well thats a whole new ball of wax then isn't it.
How about no one gets special treatment, lets actually treat EVERYONE FAIRLY. Same requirements, same expectations. No exceptions.
there will be bears (with balalaikas).
They also have a brewing civil unrest among young men who *cannot find women*., and women in their workplaces will simply brew sexual harassment issues. Safer, and easier, to keep the workplaces all male, keep young women available for keeping the young men happy, and short-circuit a whole set of social issues.
But very few humans. A quote from a Chinese executive and colleague (male, Han, communist). The cultural differences are vast. VAST
I am a fit, muscular, good-looking guy with a full head of hair so I applied as a model for Victoria's Secret, but they rejected me because I'm a man. It's discrimination!
...is a good SJW Slapping Zoo! Gather 'em up and put 'em on display where normal people can visit, and CRACK!!, give 'em the pimp hand right up side the head! When you hear that loud CRACK!! ring out, like a tuning fork on steroids, in sympathy with the vibrations of the universe, you know that, just for a moment, that all is well in the universe, and everything is just as it should be! A great stress reliever and true example of Social Justice, in every sense of the word!
If that wasn't your point, then your comment was off topic.
You're exhibiting symptoms of internet over-exposure. You've replaced the concept of oppression with the text "oppression", and now you play games with definitions.
Also, you're a dick.
It was a reply to someone asserting that 3.5 billion humans have identical opportunities.
If women get paid menstruation days off, so should the men. so they can take holiday away from their menstruating bitches. For the gay men, lets just make it a monthly mimosa holiday
At least they aren't hiring white people though. RIGHT, LEFTIES?
"strong ability to work under pressure, able to work on weekends, holidays and night shifts." So they want a robot that doesn't have any life of its own, obviously. They should have said so.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti
Comfort women...with Chinese Characteristics?
(whoo, have some more fuel for the flames!)