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You Could Be Flirting On Dating Apps With Paid Impersonators (qz.com)
Chloe Rose Stuart-Ulin sheds some light on the world of paid impersonators on dating apps like Tinder. Here's an excerpt from the report: Every morning I wake up to the same routine. I log into the Tinder account of a 45-year-old man from Texas -- a client. I flirt with every woman in his queue for 10 minutes, sending their photos and locations to a central database of potential "Opportunities." For every phone number I get, I make $1.75. I'm what's called a "Closer" for the online-dating service ViDA (Virtual Dating Assistants). Men and women (though mostly men) from all over the world pay this company to outsource the labor and tedium of online dating. The matches I speak to on behalf of the Texan man and other clients have no idea they're chatting with a professional.
It shouldn't come as a surprise that these ghostwriting services exist. Tinder alone produces more than 12 million matches a day, and if you're a heterosexual American, you now have a one in three chance of meeting your future husband or wife online. But as e-romance hits an all-time high, our daily dose of rejection, harassment, and heartbreak creeps upward, too. Once you mix in the vague rules of netiquette and a healthy fear of catfishing scams, it's easy to see why someone might want to outsource their online-dating profile to a pro, if only to keep themselves sane. But where does the digital social assistant end and the con artist begin?
It shouldn't come as a surprise that these ghostwriting services exist. Tinder alone produces more than 12 million matches a day, and if you're a heterosexual American, you now have a one in three chance of meeting your future husband or wife online. But as e-romance hits an all-time high, our daily dose of rejection, harassment, and heartbreak creeps upward, too. Once you mix in the vague rules of netiquette and a healthy fear of catfishing scams, it's easy to see why someone might want to outsource their online-dating profile to a pro, if only to keep themselves sane. But where does the digital social assistant end and the con artist begin?
first post! ... and on the other side there is someone paid too. So two paid persons do a date chat via someone else's dating profil. Dating virtualization?
I did this once, non-professionally, when a couple American friends came to visit me last year. One of them gave me his phone and asked me to help him talk to Romanian women on Tinder. While that didn't lead to getting his dick wet (due to lack of time, they only spent 3 days at the seaside), it was fun to talk to them as him and realize how much locals change their attitude and willingness to talk and meet if the person on the other end is an American.
Eventually he got his dick wet through means of a professional :) but that's offtopic.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
This just in: The sky is blue, and I'm being told that water might actually be wet.
In this case though he needs his genitals put in a blender for this deceit
Flirts for 10 min with each woman. Makes $1.75 *if* he gets the number. Even with a 100% success rate, that's $10.50 per hour. Not much of a "profession".
Hodel: Well, somebody has to arrange the matches, Young people can't decide these things themselves.
Chava: She might bring someone wonderful----
Hodel: Someone interesting----
Chava: And well off----
Hodel: And important---
Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Make me a match, Find me a find, catch me a catch
Matchmaker, Matchmaker
Look through your book, And make me a perfect match
Chava: Matchmaker, Matchmaker, I'll bring the veil, You bring the groom, Slender and pale.
Bring me a ring for I'm longing to be, The envy of all I see.
Hodel: For Papa, Make him a scholar.
Chava: For mama, Make him rich as a king.
Chava and Hodel: For me, well, I wouldn't holler
If he were as handsome as anything.
Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Make me a match, Find me a find, Catch me a catch, Night after night in the dark I'm alone
So find me match, Of my own.
Tzeitel: Since when are you in a match, Chava? I thought you had your eye on your books.
(Hodel chuckles)
Tzeitel con't: And you have your eye on the Rabbi's son.
Hodel: Well, why not?
We have only one Rabbi and he has only one son.
Why shouldn't I want the best?
Tzeitel: Because you're a girl from a poor family.
So whatever Yenta brings, you'll take, right?
Of course right!
(throws scarf over her head, imitating Yenta)
Hodel, oh Hodel, Have I made a match for you!
He's handsome, he's young!
Alright, he's 62.
But he's a nice man, a good catch, true?
True.
I promise you'll be happy, And even if you're not, There's more to life than that---
Don't ask me what.
Chava, I found him.
Won't you be a lucky bride!
He's handsome, he's tall, That is from side to side.
But he's a nice man, a good catch, right?
Right.
You heard he has a temper.
He'll beat you every night, But only when he's sober, So you'll alright.
Did you think you'd get a prince?
Well I do the best I can.
With no dowry, no money, no family background
Be glad you got a man!
Chava: Matchmaker, Matchmaker, You know that I'm Still very young. Please, take your time.
Hodel: Up to this minute, I misunderstood, That I could get stuck for good.
Chava and Hodel: Dear Yenta, See that he's gentle
Remember, You were also a bride.
It's not that
I'm sentimental
Chava and Hodel and Tzeitel: It's just that I'm terrified!
Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Plan me no plans
I'm in no rush
Maybe I've learned
Playing with matches
A girl can get burned
So, Bring me no ring
Groom me no groom
Find me no find
Catch me no catch
Unless he's a matchless match.
(Lameness Filter is Lame - Longer lines than in the original courtesy of the not enough characters per line filter.)
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
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You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
I have more than once got nothing , no response, (as a man this is nearly routine - too many men for women), then i stop coming for a few day, and strangely enough somebody contact me - to never answer me. And lest you say the problem is me, I have no problem getting answer or free dating app. This happens only on paying dating apps which ask you for money for each contact. Now add 1 + 1 ....
So essentially all the mass-market "apps", be it "social networks", "dating apps", or free-to-play (pay-to-win) "browser games", end up more or less scammy deliberate timesinks.
In the case of dating apps, it's actually not surprising that males --the ones that get rejected most-- are now turning to paid impersonators. Females were fake from the get-go. So you end up with paid impersonators chatting with paid impersonators. Hm.
It could be that this is a friendly advice to /.ers how to get laid. I gave up long time ago and prefer other paid services but there are still some naive among us that long for real romance with real humans (or what they think are that). If you are sane male with some selfrespect you will not go out there hunting - especially if you read all the nonsense on social media about how you should not be a 'predator' because females allegedly do not want it. Well guess what - confused females may not want it but will be utterly disappointed if you do not try. I do not see any way out of the dilemma other than paid services. I think it is even worth a study - how unhappy and lonely people can get in 'liberal' and 'just' society. Other aspect of this - this seems to be an areas not easily to be controlled by AI not now at least.
This isn't really news though. I remember a guy sued one dating site for using employees posing as potential matches. He even went on first dates with a few.
Then there was the Ashley Madison leak where it turned out that a significant proportion of their female members were bots.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Well guess what - confused females may not want it but will be utterly disappointed if you do not try.
"Confused females"? And the rest of the sentence... This is why things aren't working the way you'd like.
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It's news. If you've been in a coma for a quarter of a century.
Grrrrrr Wooof! WOOF!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
On colleague of mine showed me some talks with chat bots on Tinder. It was interesting to see they can fool you through the first stages of the conversation. However, at some stage you notice something is off. At that point my colleague started foul mouthing, something that the bots do not usually respond properly. It was a fun read.
I run across a story that makes me glad I’m an old guy... and this is one of them. I don’t know how you young’uns navigate these waters. I had a hard enough time just asking my now-wife out, way back in the day - and that was before all these peripheral complications existed.
Oh Brave New World, that has such people in it!
#DeleteChrome
As multiple women told me, "women don't know what they want and they won't stop pestering you until they get it". Maybe that was it?
Ezekiel 23:20
Every man, woman, and child wants to date Hillary. Those beautiful Eyes. That smart Demeanor. I'm with her.
Vote Hillary in 2020.
How is this slashdot worthy?
This here is exactly the kind of job opening up for all those people put out of work by automation...
You'll be pimping for those not put out of work by automation.
Chloe should be named Roxanne then.
I think this has been going on for many years. This can't possibly be new news as I am sure there have been paid impersonators for match.com and others.
We don't know what happens if two employees impersonate speakers at both ends of the conversation.
And what happens if it is the same employee at both ends? That could lead to some fun situations.
Being single has always sucked. Being single in the internet age sucks even more than ever. Whenever I hear stories like this, I remember how happy I am to have gotten married before all this crap.
I once visited a potential software agent in France. They had a good accounting suite for IBM S/36 at the time, but I could not figure out how they had such an impressive office complex based on their small customer base.
So, I got the technical manager sauced-up one evening and its turns out the basement was full of "Minitel rose" (pink, i.e. pron) servers. This was the 1980s, and it seems that online "Johns" were spending hours - and hundreds of bucks - every month hammering away on a tiny keyboard and getting all steamed-up over scrolling black and white horny text on an equally small screen. Rather sad.
The joke was, the "best" online "sexters" were.....men! Easy money, working from home. Kinda like Chinese theatre I guess - women's roles are traditionally played by men, since "only a man knows how a woman is supposed to react". Equally sad.
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Why don't profiles on dating apps have user reviews like restaurants on Yelp or similar? It really would be helpful. Things like [ 40 lbs more than her picture ], or [ put's out on first date ] would be great to know. I really would like to know why this feature is missing?
* Carthago Delenda Est *
This isn't really news though.
Yes it is. This is totally different from what you describe. Both of your examples are of the site using fake profiles, which is well known (although I never heard of them hiring people to go on actual dates, and I am skeptical whether that really happened).
TFA is describing members hiring people to impersonate them. So they are actually looking for a match, but are paying someone else to go through the tedium of sending introductory inquiries, and the back-and-forth chit-chat before exchanging contact info.
I am shocked, shocked that there might be deception on online dating sites!!
{your duped user winnings sir}
Thank you.
We are all confused. People who see themselves as social engineers are attempting to turn back thousands of years of evolutionary programming over the course of a few generations. They see what they think is a problem - people aligning with gender roles - and want to play God and change it.
Men are pre-wired to be protectors. They have a body that produces more muscle, fast twitch reflexes and a Testosterone fueled aggressive streak that allows them to power through difficult and dangerous tasks.
Females are pre-wired to be healers, helpers and nurturers. They sew up their mate's wounds, have a body that can grow, incubate and feed children.
Males tend to be very competitive. Not just to be the best, but to find their plave. Females tend to be more cooperative. These statements are not just true among humans, but among other mammal species as well.
So, it is okay for people in this and the last few generations to be very confused. Males and females want what their wiring says they should want... but societal indoctrination tells them to ignore it.
Some of this is good. We have had basic laws that protect the weak from the strong since the dawn of civilization. Nowadays we see something deeper: an attempt to deconstruct maleness and femaleness. The final results of this long-running experiment won't be known for a long time. But the current and next generations are the guinea pigs.
I had a Match.com account for 21 years. I paid for it for about 10 years of that. I'd go to cancel and magically someone would start messaging me. Nothing ever came of it. I joined OKCupid and Plenty of Fish within a year of their launch and, by last February, I was to some degree active on 10 dating services.
I've read books about how to game the systems. I've paid photographers and tried to get feedback on my dating profiles from tens of friends, acquaintances and even total strangers. I tried all manner of strategies in making first impressions, created multiple profiles and basically I've spent two or three hours a day trying to meet someone for over two decades.
I'm not messaging models. I'm not holding anyone to any ridiculous standard; my sole filtering is that my partner be childless (which, admittedly, is much more difficult as I am now a person in my forties). But across platforms and years of effort, I might get a reply to one out of approximately 300 messages sent on a dating site. One out of ten of THOSE might lead to an ongoing conversation.
I've been on seven dates in my entire life.
And before anyone says that I need to work on myself: I have over the last 20 years gone from an obese BMI to a healthy one. I do work out and dress like an adult. I have solid academic achievements, a good job and a life-long interest in fine arts. I can carry a conversation. I'm not terribly attractive but I'm also not ugly. Fundamentally, I would call myself unremarkable but certainly not unacceptable.
I did finally outsource Tinder, Bumble and Coffee Meets Bagel to a sympathetic friend, albeit mostly because I refuse to agree to Facebook's terms of service. I paid for her to get a new phone in exchange for her work on my behalf. It didn't help. No better luck was had.
I cannot think of an activity less rewarding. Dating sites seem to be actively hostile to almost everyone who uses them. Women are barraged with harassment. Ordinary guys might as not even exist. No one is happy with the state of affairs, but I'm not a person who is going to do well in a bar or other traditional meeting-space and I already teach adult education, I don't see what other choice might be available. I have a great deal of free time now that I don't spend time on dating sites. I get a lot more reading done, but I also have a lot more anxiety at the parts of life that I have failed to experience. There doesn't seem to be a way out of this particular loop. I wish I could have those many thousands of hours and all of the hope of my life back.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
It seems that lots of these services don't actually have very many women online. So they create fake profiles, and - no proof, just suspicion - probably pay other professionals to keep those profiles active: to chat with guys and give them false hope they might actually be speaking with an actual woman. Given the huge number of fake profiles, it is understandable when the guys to pay another professional to weed out all the fake profiles. Of course, it's a shame for the real people out there, whose time is being wasted.
Alternatively, one could try to meet women in the physical world. What a concept...
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
You're fired.
--Google SJW
Damn, I should have read TFA.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Cyrano something.
Cyrano...de Bergerac.
Yeah, that's guy.
And what happens when a paid flirter interacts with other paid flirters? Can an entire relationship be developed by paid proxies?
What do you mean they cut the power? How can they cut the power, man? They're animals!
Best place to meet good women for the following reason: they're inherently giving their time in an activity, you can socialize and get to know them, and you can tell if they're there just to date because you keep going to volunteer and they join you.
Its so full of narcissism and hypocrisy that only leads to hurting people, for example:
"Once you mix in the vague rules of netiquette and a healthy fear of catfishing scams, it's easy to see why someone might want to outsource their online-dating profile to a pro, if only to keep themselves sane."
In other-words; I'm scared of being cat-fished so i am going to catfish someone else. I am going to outsource my online dating to keep my self sane while driving other people crazy.
If you want to meet someone then get a hobby, join a beer league, volunteer or join a class. Do something that gives you both a common ground to start a conversation and stop being so picky about all the little things (hair color, eye color, clothing style, etc.), its only the big things that really matter in long term relationships. For anyone complaining about the dating world, the first place they should look for making fixes is in the mirror and a service like this will not help your situation. If the reason is that you are too busy to do it yourself then you are probably to busy for a relationship. If you are too scared of rejection, or worried about being cat-fished then go do something about your self esteem. The final piece is to understand that a relationship isnt just about what you want, it involves another person so if the only thing that you care about is your needs then the relationship wont last.
Whoever modded that as flamebait is a shitstick. It's a joke, not an attempt to start a flame war. Some of you are so thin skinned you might as well wear you organs on the outside. Faux rage at everything. You miss the forest because foliage might be a racist insult to green people who haven't been discovered yet. It's disingenuous.
It is incredibly funny, specifically for the fact that this trait is common to children, women, men, humans of all genders, and those of anti-gender, dogs, cats, pretty much every mammal. And for the fact that to some of us, women are particularly effective at getting what they want. That makes it easier to observe in the case of male-female relationships, but its a truism for all nonetheless.
A less funny quote this reminded me of: "This world is designed to provide you with everything you want. The only problem, you have to know what it is." Points to the same issue. People are generally uninformed about themselves, what is most important, what defines them and their lives.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
This is indeed news to me and something that should be clamped down on hard. Having a lot of money already represents 90% of what women on those sites are looking for, hiring somebody else to go through the tedium of online dating for you, is just disgusting.
Dating sites being unethical isn't news, but wasting time on people that are outsourcing the work is not something that most people expect.
Personally, those introductory inquiries aren't the problem with dating sites, it's how low the quality is for women and how ridiculous their requirements are. I doubt most of them would agree to date Mr. Right or Prince Charming because somebody better might come along.
I'm a high class escort in the UK and have used dating sites to find love in my personal life but buy and large most dating sites are full of men looking for a free fuck or men I wouldn't look twice at.
The way I view this is simple.You could spend hundreds or even thousands chasing love online via an agency or pay a defined amount for the GFE (Girlfriend Experience) I offer. Like, imagine me as a timeshare girlfriend. I always wear decent makeup and something nice with style and taste. Sex is not an issue. If you want to stick your cock in stick your cock in. If you prefer a chat or watching a movie or visiting a museum I'm more than fine with this to. I'm as genuine a person as I can be and do the best I can for you on the clock. If... If a guy wants an exclusive relationship similar terms apply. The only difference is how and how much.
That's not really the case though. Men are indeed providers and protectors, but women are basically just a source of babies and incentive for the men to not just settle for enough for themselves.
Women throughout history have contributed very, very little to human existence other than the aforementioned babies. Men produce a surplus that the women take for themselves and are usually ungrateful bitches about it if it isn't completely to their liking.
The current situation where women want to take all of men's jobs, but don't want to actually share the proceeds is very, very troubling as it could lead to very real issues down the line when those resources become unavailable.
So let's say person A strikes up a conversation with person B and they seem to hit it off, but person B is a paid impersonator.
At SOME point person A presumably gets switched to the "real" B instead of the impersonator, right? Well wouldn't person A immediately notice? Like yesterday they knew everything there was to know about zombie movies, but today they don't know shit about zombie movies? Or they suddenly don't recall things about a conversation you had just a few days ago?
I'm having trouble imagining how that could be successfully pulled off.
Good old horny Mikey. Says he's muslim but looks like another middle eastern demographic stereotype.
I remember he had 10-20 chat windows open at a time. The first stages he had programmed responses by chatbot, but he would manually screen them shortly after. Later he'd go manual... but he'd have a slew of entertaining things to copy and paste in.
He never paid anyone else to do it but it sounds like when he sees this he will. Combine it with some AI next I suppose.
Ridiculous. But as he put it - it's cheaper and more meaningful than a whore!
I suggest the power of attractive thought.
If this shocks anyone, they need to be smacked. The web is not real life, people. Not in any sense of the phrase. People getting upset with and fighting tooth and nail with figments of their own imaginations sounds an awful lot like insanity to me. It's also learned behavior, and behavior can be UNlearned. Being that no one ever taught them anything, millennials are too young to understand this, even in their 30s.
I find this whole thing to be very sad and disheartening. If I wasn't already happily married I'd probably stay the hell away from online dating, since 99% seems to be bogus.
Paid shills wasting your time by dangling a possible relationship in front of you for weeks or months? Sad and hurtful. Death to them for the misery they cause.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
"I been in love ten thousand times,
All you got to do is remember my line."
Have gnu, will travel.
This is indeed news to me and something that should be clamped down on hard.
Why should it be clamped? Who is going to do the clamping? The site? How can they know if it is happening or not? The government? You have got to be kidding?
but wasting time on people that are outsourcing the work
The are not "wasting time". The people hiring impersonators (2/3 men and 1/3 women according to TFA) are seriously looking for a match. They just don't have time to send 200 inquiries to get 20 responses, and then engage those 20 responses in some chit-chat to get 10 phone numbers that lead to 5 dates, one of which is "the one". That is an extremely time consuming process, especially if each inquiry is customized to the target's profile.
it's how low the quality is for women and how ridiculous their requirements are.
I see. So you are perfect, but all the women are just not good enough for you, and that's their fault. Maybe you should join an Incel support group.
This isn't really news though. I remember a guy sued one dating site for using employees posing as potential matches. He even went on first dates with a few.
Then there was the Ashley Madison leak where it turned out that a significant proportion of their female members were bots.
The problem was and is that most women find most men unattractive for one reason or another. Apparently on Tinder at least, the stats on attractiveness are that men rate women on a curve that centers areoud 50 percent. Which we would expect.
Women on the other hand, rated over 80 percent of men as unattractive. But how do you keep men coming back when only a very few of them ever stand a chance of landing a date? And then you would have a lot of women competing for a very small pool of men. (they are anyhow, but you need new men to rank) This might have been exacerbated by the recent manprovement initiative, where women are now allowed to call men out who do not fit their high standards.
Since an overwhelming majority of men are deficient and unattractive, you have to tease them in order to get them to stick around. Enter the Bots and employees posing as interested others. Just enough to keep the undateable unattractive men rising to the bait.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
This isn't really news though.
Yes it is. This is totally different from what you describe. Both of your examples are of the site using fake profiles, which is well known (although I never heard of them hiring people to go on actual dates, and I am skeptical whether that really happened).
TFA is describing members hiring people to impersonate them. So they are actually looking for a match, but are paying someone else to go through the tedium of sending introductory inquiries, and the back-and-forth chit-chat before exchanging contact info.
Hard to imagine the level of laziness required to hire someone to get you dates. As I recall back in the day, the run up to dating a woman was fun.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
As multiple women told me, "women don't know what they want and they won't stop pestering you until they get it". Maybe that was it?
Wow - Flamebait? This joke has an element of truth, which might be why it got blasted.
A huge problem with the pairing interactions between men and women is that in general, then male asks for the interaction, and the woman accepts or rejects.
I watched a very interesctin lecture by a man talking to women on why many women seem to pick the "Chads" of the world, aggressive handsome men who are self absorbed, and not men who would be considered good for long term relationships.
He used the rule of thirds. A third of men will never approach a woman, a third might, but are reticent about it, and a third are the aggressive sort.
The first group is obvious - no go. The second group might, but have a tendency to be friend zoned. The agressive guys have no problem with approaching women, and can be quite charming about it.
So women after a while expect aggression, and the guys in the second group get friend zoned, mainly because they are too timid, and probably for evolutionary reasons, the women respond to the more aggressive and charming men. I emphasize evolutionary because https://www.psychologytoday.co...
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Hard to imagine the level of laziness required to hire someone to get you dates.
RTFA. They don't get you a date. They get you a phone number. After that, you are on your own.
As I recall back in the day, the run up to dating a woman was fun.
This isn't "back in the day". With on-line dating, a man is lucky to get a 5-10% response rate to initial inquiries. If your time has value, paying someone else to make the inquiry and filter the results totally makes sense. Hand crafting inquiries, when you know that 95% of them are going to be ignored, is not "fun". It is a tedious chore. It is only fun once you are talking to a real person, and that still happens.
Those numbers only apply to tinder-style speed dating though. On such sites the ratio of men to women is 40:1 or worse, so naturally women can be more selective. It also ignores that women tend to value other traits as much or more than looks, traits that a photo can't convey.
This flaw extends to all dating apps/sites. They are extremely superficial and it hurts many men's ability to find partners on them. We really need to find a better system.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
The dating sites aren't working for women either. In my area, Ottawa, Canada, the median age of an active POF profile of slim or athletic woman between 30 and 40 is 300 days. (You can sort the profiles by newest first, find the oldest profile that was on in the last 30 days and then message the women halfway between and ask them when they created their profiles)
Create a crappy woman's profile, see how many messages it gets bombarded with. Now imagine trying to get this woman's attention and keep it. It's almost impossible to do it with out sounding needy and desperate. Also every woman is remembering the best men she chatted with, the funny ones, the handsome ones, rich ones... It doesn't matter that all these are all guys ultimately didn't choose her, they inflated her sense of self worth, they raised her minimum standard of what she will date.
In the end we end up with most men sounding desperate and undesirable and we created a situation where most people would rather be single than date the bottom 80% of the opposite sex.
I gave up long time ago and prefer other paid services
You would assume that in a society where offering the wrong kind of wine to a lady is considered sexual misconduct (ask Aziz Ansari), prostitution would be a booming industry to cater to the needs of men weary of the dark cloud of fake metoos. But look what happened in Seattle where regular customers of escort services were shamed, or how the FBI has taken down backpage because there were ads for prostitution. The only safe space for single males nowadays is gay saunas and pornhubs, which may not be up to everyone's taste.
The only amusing part is that as a side effect of this socially driven emasculation of males, more and more heterosexual females are struggling to find non-limp dick males so they end up pouring billions in the dildo industry.
Porn and rubber dicks, people, that's the pot of gold at the end of this feminazi rainbow.
lucm, indeed.
I remember a guy sued one dating site for using employees posing as potential matches.
I know for a fact that in cheap labor countries there are huge call centers crammed with people pretending to be potential matches for western dating sites/apps, and asked to make the courting process last as long as possible to keep the "customer" coming back to the ad-bloated service. The hilarious thing is that it's not even the same employee who keeps the conversation going, they just pick it up from the log and move it forward.
I think we need a new form of turing test to determine if we're talking to the same person online.
lucm, indeed.
Find out if your local community college offers American Sign Language courses (ASL). I signed up for one (in Southern California) just for fun. I found that about three quarters of the students were women. By the very nature of the class, interaction among the students was encouraged; it wasn't necessary to find an "excuse" to approach someone, and since a language was being learned, there was always something to 'talk' about (even if it was only vocabulary exercises).
I'm already involved in adult education. My students are mostly older men, but I had the thought that being on a campus would at least increase my available pool. It hasn't, but this is definitely an idea I've put in to practice.
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
When you're mad that people didn't laugh, just stop talking. Until after you've had a full night's sleep.
This doesn't surprise me at all, I wouldn't expect you to get any better than that.
What I was told was, "She isn't going to tell you what she wants, she expects you to understand her well enough to know already."
Just because somebody simplified the saying for you doesn't mean that reality is that simple. It only means she was trying to understand what advice you'd know how to make use of when she considered her words.
I think we need a new form of turing test to determine if we're talking to the same person online.
We already have that: A face-to-face meeting.
You already read each others profiles and exchanged messages. An extended back-and-forth conversation is not going to give you much more info. Just ask for a simple meet-up at Starbucks or Jamba Juice. If the answer is "no", then move on to the next prospect in the queue.
Those numbers only apply to tinder-style speed dating though.
Actually, the 80-20 numbers come from OkCupid.
It is not just a sign that women are pickier, but also that THEY CAN'T DO MATH. They were not asked to judge if the men were "unattractive" in an absolute sense, but whether they were below the median. The men did it correctly, putting 50% above the cutoff and 50% below.
Just ask for a simple meet-up at Starbucks
I don't think you have done a lot of online dating. Here's the thing: the vast majority of people are not worth a trip to Starbucks, just like a vast majority of candidates for a programming gig are not worth calling in for an interview.
Behind a cute pic and a casual "hey there lol omg did you watch the latest GoT" there could be some seriously disappointing entity, like a vegan pinterest addict who took a day off to cry when Clinton lost, or an over-the-top party girl who has the constant greasy cough of regular drug smokers. Unless you're in for a quickie it takes a lot of screening to get to someone that has no major mental or cultural defects.
lucm, indeed.
That blog post is a fascinating insight. Note how women tend to rate men unevenly, but that doesn't seem to affect the rate at which they message them.
I also wonder how much of it is just down to bad photos.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
If someone has major defects that they didn't include in their profile, they are not going to tell you about it in an online message either. Do you really think you are going to learn about her raspy cough and bad breath by exchanging messages? A F2F meeting is a far quicker way to narrow the candidate pool. A quick meet-up for a $5 cup of joe is not a big commitment.
I met my wife on ICQ. That was 17 years ago.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
"You Could Be Flirting On Dating Apps With Cops"
Sounds to me like you may be tense. Tension kills the vibe.
Also, you should probably work on your sense of humor, if you can make them laugh, you can get in the drawers.
I did some consultancy work for an online dating company several years ago.
The alarm bells started going off when I discovered they weren't interested in marketing it to women. They were entirely focused on men.
I got access to their database for some of my work and couldn't find a single, real, female profile. All the female accounts were all "test" accounts.
I was also aware of a huge "marketing" work force in the Ukraine who's job descriptions were ambiguous and when I met one or two of them they wouldn't tell me what they did (they were all women).
One of them later confided in me that they had to sign an NDA about their job roll which was why they couldn't talk about it.
Most of the marketing they did was through the porn websites and they also re-marketed to the cam girl websites.
I'd guess that the "dating" websites are the main source of the online porn industries revenue.
Virtual assistant + Phone sex
Hard to imagine the level of laziness required to hire someone to get you dates.
RTFA. They don't get you a date. They get you a phone number. After that, you are on your own.
Ther's a difference with not much distinction. Care to analyze me grammer as well? Telling me to Read the Fucking Artical is a tad rude, me hearty. Chillaxe.
As I recall back in the day, the run up to dating a woman was fun.
This isn't "back in the day". With on-line dating, a man is lucky to get a 5-10% response rate to initial inquiries. If your time has value, paying someone else to make the inquiry and filter the results totally makes sense. Hand crafting inquiries, when you know that 95% of them are going to be ignored, is not "fun". It is a tedious chore. It is only fun once you are talking to a real person, and that still happens.
And if his time really has value, his best bet is to have the person fmor the service go on the date as well. Or eliminate all of that expensive time spent dating and simply buy a mail order bride.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Who is going to do the clamping?
This guy, of course.
the vast majority of people are not worth a trip to Starbucks
Propose a meetup somewhere you might want to go anyway. From what I hear most people go to coffee shops a lot (I'm not most people) so you're not even spending much extra time.
But surprised to see supposedly 1 in 3 marriages are the result of it
There's much easier ways to make 1.75... every 2-3 minutes. Ya guys are easy. :)
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I've heard your evolutionary ideas most often from lonely men who take their cue from online dating gurus and pickup artists.
I've heard them least often from men with kids.
That doesn't prove anything, but it does suggest to me that it might not be an evolutionarily successful attitude.
Nobody simplified it for me; your phrasing is simply not being used around where I live.
Ezekiel 23:20
There's no guarantee that male attractiveness is evenly distributed on a subjective 6 point scale (zero to five). This article's data indicates that it probably isn't, indicating that women are indeed more selective. The middle rating (2.5) was "medium" not "the median".
If I were you, I'd worry less about women's math skills and more about your own reading comprehension.
Back in the day there was a better response rate?
Perhaps every person ever asked out on a date face-to-face goes out, but I don't think so. Seems like face-to-face asking results in maybe a 30% success rate, and while that is higher (and your own success rate might be higher but for the same reason), in face-to-face interactions, you've already passed on quite a few people.
But to me this hearkens back to the days of John Alden and Myles Standish, 1620 CE in Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts. That might have been before the days of the internet. I can't remember if Shakespeare also had a similar plot in one of his plays.
Hmm, pretty sure I've seen this spam before.
I suppose I could, but why would I want to?
Not mad. You brought that from your own internal frame of reference. Also, down modding someone incorrectly is way different than people not laughing.
Equivocation and false attribution aside, I can't seem to find anything to what you wrote except an exhortation about sleeping well at night. I do, and will continue to do so. Thank you for your concern. I wish you health, happiness, and good rest as well, sir.
Cheers!
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
No man, you're whining about mods, you should really not try to defend that like an idiot. You got mad because you down-modded and your joke wasn't funny, fucking deal with it.
Whining about getting downmodded is exactly the same as getting mad because people didn't laugh at your joke.
You're new here. You're being an idiot. So figure it out. Moderation is the right of the moderator, when you're wrong and whine about their choice that's just you not understanding moderation. Don't be that guy.
Wow, ok...We will do this your way.
This is how I definitively know, without any doubt, that you are the idiot in this interaction:
I didn't post a joke. I wasn't down modded. You still haven't figured this out. You are going to have to go back and look at the post history to figure out how much of an idiot you are. I will do my best to help you realize this in my post, but I fear there is little hope for you. You are so bankrupt of real intelligence, adaptability to facts, and the flow of interactions between humans that the best outcome for you and the rest of the world involves a headstone with your name and today's date on it. Would that fate were so capricious that she, for once, could bless us all so infinitely in that way.
My motivations for commenting on the down mod were not related in any way to me being mad because IT WASN'T ME THAT WAS DOWN MODDED, YOU COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOT! You were so eager to jump on someone, so self righteous and self justified in your attack, that you couldn't even stop to read the nick of the person that you were replying to. You could say that no one is that stupid, and you would be right, for once, in your whole life. It takes a special kind of stupid, combined with a powerful and rancorous degenerate character, to plow mindlessly ahead, being at once completely unfounded in your accusations, wrong on every possible metric, completely self absorbed, and unnecessarily rude. You are, truly, in a class by yourself.
Further proof that you have overflowed a stack internally and your imagined internal world is executing code where reality is supposed to be: My user ID should give you an indication of how long I have been on this site. It obviously hasn't. I'm not new. Are you sure you are ok?
After considering all of the incomprehensible fuckups in your communication with me, I think you may have had a stroke. I am having a hard time conceiving of a circumstance where I could make such series of colossal mistakes, blunders, and oversights which reveal such deep internal flaws, shortcomings, absences, and voids in my character, intelligence, emotional stability, perception, and processing ability, without referring to brain pathology.
What I am trying to say, and I am sorry, I should use words you can understand, is this: There is a very real possibility that there is something seriously wrong with your brain. Get yourself checked. Please contact a responsible adult and ask them nicely to take you to the doctor. If the MRI of your cranium doesn't reveal a seeping artery, a blood clot, a tumor, an abscess, or cyst on your prefrontal cortex, or widespread atrophy and degeneration I will be surprised.
Fortunately, if it turns out that you are just such a worthless piece of shit that your behavior pattern matches exactly with someone who has a serious head injury or dementia, you won't even care. If you aren't pathologically broken in some way on a physical level, the only other answer to your behavior is as result of solipsistic narcissism, possibly complicated by borderline personality disorder. Plainly, you do not have the capacity to give a fuck about anyone other than yourself, and even that is questionable. You proved it here undoubtedly. All you wanted to do was lash out at someone, to demean them, for some unknown internal payoff. The motivation, desire, and impetus to do this is so deeply rooted within your own psyche, such a product of your internal world, and so divorced and unrelated to the other person and the outside world, that it was entirely unnecessary that you got the right person. In your rush to get the rush that you get from attacking people when you feel justified in doing so, you couldn't even be bothered to get their name.
Think about that. You didn't even get the name of the person you intended to insult and demean, and as a result, you attacked someone else for no reason at all. That right there is proof of what kind of person you are. Now, go sit with that for a while and decide if your c
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
I stopped reading when you claimed to have not told a joke.
If you write more words than I did, at least spend the time to comprehend my words before spewing.
When you accuse people of not having a sense of humor, you are engaged in the idiocy of complaining that people didn't laugh at your jokes. It doesn't need a lot more parsing than that; you can expect in that situation to receive that response, and it is not an inaccurate response. Nobody cares about your take on the semantics; don't whine about other people's sense of humor, and don't whine about mods. Easy peasy. See, now did you really need to spew all that?
"by K. S. Kyosuke ( 729550 ) Alter Relationship on Saturday April 28, 2018 @04:20AM (#56518309)
As multiple women told me, "women don't know what they want and they won't stop pestering you until they get it". Maybe that was it?"
What's my Nickname? Who wrote the post with the joke in it?
The only joke here is you, and everyone in my office is laughing their ass off at how incredibly vapid you are! Thank you for being so obtuse. It's beautiful! I thought you were trolling, but no. You can't fake your kind of stupid.
LOL! Thank you, i'm dying!
PS: read to the end of my previous post, you missed the best part. Also, as much as we enjoy laughing at you, please seek medical attention, your brain is not working right.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.