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A Mass of Copyrighted Works Will Soon Enter the Public Domain (theatlantic.com)

For the first time in two decades, a huge number of books, films, and other works will escape U.S. copyright law. From a report: The Great American Novel enters the public domain on January 1, 2019 -- quite literally. Not the concept, but the book by William Carlos Williams. It will be joined by hundreds of thousands of other books, musical scores, and films first published in the United States during 1923. It's the first time since 1998 for a mass shift to the public domain of material protected under copyright. It's also the beginning of a new annual tradition: For several decades from 2019 onward, each New Year's Day will unleash a full year's worth of works published 95 years earlier.

This coming January, Charlie Chaplin's film The Pilgrim and Cecil B. DeMille's The 10 Commandments will slip the shackles of ownership, allowing any individual or company to release them freely, mash them up with other work, or sell them with no restriction. This will be true also for some compositions by Bela Bartok, Aldous Huxley's Antic Hay, Winston Churchill's The World Crisis, Carl Sandburg's Rootabaga Pigeons, E.E. Cummings's Tulips and Chimneys, Noel Coward's London Calling! musical, Edith Wharton's A Son at the Front, many stories by P.G. Wodehouse, and hosts upon hosts of forgotten works, according to research by the Duke University School of Law's Center for the Study of the Public Domain.

Throughout the 20th century, changes in copyright law led to longer periods of protection for works that had been created decades earlier, which altered a pattern of relatively brief copyright protection that dates back to the founding of the nation. This came from two separate impetuses. First, the United States had long stood alone in defining copyright as a fixed period of time instead of using an author's life plus a certain number of years following it, which most of the world had agreed to in 1886. Second, the ever-increasing value of intellectual property could be exploited with a longer term. But extending American copyright law and bringing it into international harmony meant applying "patches" retroactively to work already created and published. And that led, in turn, to lengthy delays in copyright expiring on works that now date back almost a century.

113 comments

  1. Don't count your chickens by spiritplumber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they still have 6 months to legislate an extension.

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    1. Re:Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we can be sure Congress will get that 3am phone call from the industry. And if they act quickly, people will forget about it by November.

    2. Re:Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      they still have 6 months to /buy/ an extension.

      FTFY

    3. Re:Don't count your chickens by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but this is one of the few advantages of a really non-functional Congress- they are much less likely to get their act together to do the usual repeated extensions of copyrights.

    4. Re:Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6? May hasn't even started yet. Try 8. And that's assuming they don't do some kind of retro-active crap to pull shit back into copyright again assuming they don't stroke Trump's ego enough prior to January 1st.

    5. Re:Don't count your chickens by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Yeah. :-/

      Copyright holds culture hostage is, sadly, what this has become.

    6. Re:Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's obvious you've bought into the narrative. The Dems/Repub only put on the show for the bases over stuff that doesn't matter. When the cash stream of those who really run things is threatened both sides of the aisle march in goosestep to push through legislation, setting it up so that each side can blame the other for the screwing the American people will take.

    7. Re:Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /The house of mouse/ still /has/ 6 months to /buy/ an extension.

      FTFFY.

      Disney can't allow the idea of works entering the public domain to become pervasive in the general population. Otherwise, that Vault of their's might get forcibly pried open on them, permanently.

      Don't worry, I'm sure the (great * x) kids of the Walt Disney Corporation are already hard at work writing the new legislation for their shills in Congress to pass for them. Got to make sure those (great * (x + y)) kids are taken care of too.....

    8. Re:Don't count your chickens by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Maybe we'll get incredibly lucky and Trump will refuse to pass it into law because he hates the big media conglomerates so much. I don't see the Republicans in general being too cozy with Hollywood even if they do like big business so it's pretty unlikely that they can buy enough support for it.

    9. Re:Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mickey Mouse isn't threatened so it's OK to wait.

    10. Re:Don't count your chickens by youngone · · Score: 3, Funny

      I disagree. Why shouldn't Mr. P.G. Wodehouse continue to enjoy the fruits of his hard work?

    11. Re: Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      'cause he's dead, Jim.

    12. Re: Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s right heâ(TM)s feeding fruit now, not currently enjoying fruits of any kind. His kin? Itâ(TM)s nice to have a leg up in the world .

    13. Re: Don't count your chickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so's walt.

  2. 0.01% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only 0.01% of the population born in 1923 or before are still alive. For 99.99% of the US public in 1923, the copyrights granted were unlimited.

    1. Re:0.01% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why we have a massive pirating "problem". The public has no interest in respecting copyright because they cannot see the works ever entering the public domain within their lifetimes. Ultimately, media is consumed either for entertainment or enlightenment, and your objective as a publisher is to maximize your share of the publics attention in order to exclude competition; literally the growth dilemma for large corporate customers is how do I entice the public to watch my programming rather than read a bible, or go outside with friends, or spend time with family. This is the reason why publishers should never be allowed to accumulate large volumes of content; they have an interest in an uncompetitive marketplace and a player has accumulated enough content they can out-compete any newcomers by releasing their treasure trove. The reason why Disney is so large is they have invested heavily in childrens programming in order to entice adults into consuming their exclusive narrative, if someone were to compete with them they have more resources (content previous generations liked) and more capital to smash their competitors.

      Used to be when lifetimes were 40-50 years, we had a copyright of 14 years. 1/3rd a human lifetime seems reasonable.

    2. Re:0.01% by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

      What about the children of those people? Those children are going to starve because you are taking away their rights!

      I presume the above was supposed to be sarcasm, but in the unlikely event it was not, then all they need to do is follow the sage advice from the Silhouettes...

      o/~ Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip
      Mum mum mum mum mum mum
      Get a job. Sha na na na, sha na na na na o/~

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  3. Some day we will build a robust ad-hoc internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One that cannot be taken down by any arbitrary authority. Then we won't have to worry how long the damn copyright lasts. This is just one of the social problems we have that only technology can solve. The goal is to tear down the walls and throw the tyrants into the abyss.

    1. Re:Some day we will build a robust ad-hoc internet by gurps_npc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The honest truth is that copyrighted works fall into four categories:

      1) Massive mega hits that make their creators millions in the first 10 years, then make consistent profits every year for decade after decade. They are re-released every few years.

      2) Successful commercial work that makes profit in the first 5 years then barely get any sales after that. Most of the time you have to purchase a copy made in the first 5 years, but every couple of decades some of them get reprints - that make a reliable, small profit for the distributors but no significant money for the actual artists.

      3) Artistic success that do not make money in the first 5-10 years but eventually grow into successful commercial works, getting re-issued every couple of decades.

      4) Total failures that never make any money.

      Honestly, it makes no sense to extend copyright for original work more than 10 years. In case 1 it turns millionaires into multi-millionaires who never need to create again. In case 2 and 3, it provides no real help to the original artist, just the distributors. In the internet age, the internet does it better. In case 4 no one ever makes money.

      The only real reason the distributors want extended copyright is "SEQUEL". That's where the profit is for the distributors - built in market, no real effort needed for them, instant profit.

      Copyright should grant eternal credit, direct profit for 10 years, and sequel rights could be granted for 50 years (Even Star Wars's sequels profit has more to do with the new artists than the original creators.)

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    2. Re:Some day we will build a robust ad-hoc internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh* You don't get it. What I'm saying is, quit masturbating about copyright, and let's build an internet fortress that will make the whole stupid argument about this and 'hate speech' and all the other bullshit irrelevant.

    3. Re:Some day we will build a robust ad-hoc internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the "problem" is getting access to these works without paying, then the internet has already solved it years ago. Copyright infringement isn't exactly difficult with a little knowledge of how to use BitTorrent. It's still a problem that you can't remix these old works in new works that you're selling.

    4. Re:Some day we will build a robust ad-hoc internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paying/not paying is irrelevant to matter at hand. What is paramount is making our medium of communication immune to all human authority that would grant the advantage to anybody. So far, all we have is low power radio. We need something new and exciting that will leave the dictators weeping.

    5. Re:Some day we will build a robust ad-hoc internet by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yep. All you need to do is make an unassailable digital fortress - something that experts have been trying and failing to accomplish since before the internet existed. And then keep the all "bad guy" authoritarians out, while letting the "good guy" commoners and anarchists in. Frankly, I think the first task will be a lot easier.

      And then, assuming you somehow against all odds manage to accomplish the above - there's still the tiny problem that the authorities have the to power to declare your fortress illegal with the stroke of a pen, and then arrest anyone who makes even passing use of it. And given just how powerful it would be in organizing resistance to (il)legitimate authority, only a fool would think they wouldn't do so. Really hard to sneak anything past the people providing your internet connection, and as a rule they're all too happy to participate with authorities in any underhanded, even outright illegal mass surveillance programs they desire. Or were you not paying attention to all the NSA programs that were exposed in the last decade?

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    6. Re:Some day we will build a robust ad-hoc internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, good and bad are also irrelevant. We don't have to keep the 'bad' guys out. We only have make sure they can't keep anybody else out. It doesn't have to be impenetrable (that's a local problem anyway), just invincible to involuntary takedown and blockage of access by any third party. The ISP really is the only remaining obstacle. We simply must find a way around them. If we can also hide our identity and location, all the better. The object is to keep the line open for all.

  4. A mass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A mass = 1 fuckton.

    1. Re:A mass by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      A mass = 1 fuckton.

      How does that compare to a shit ton, greater than or less than?

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  5. SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When upholding the 1998 extension in Eldred v. Ashcroft, the Supreme Court did so on grounds that it was harmonizing the copyright term to that of a major market for U.S. works, specifically distinguishing it from the sort of "legislative misbehavior" that commons advocates would refer to as "perpetual copyright on the installment plan." At the time, the European Union had recently extended the term from life plus 50 years to life plus 70 years to reflect the trend to start a family later, as the rationale for life plus 50 in the first place had been the life of those heirs whom the author knew personally.

    So to what major market would a third successive extension be billed as harmonizing? No good answer would probably mean the third strike shows "legislative misbehavior."

    1. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      In Germany "copyright" always was 70 years after death of the author.
      I'm not aware of any EU copyright changes in the last 50 years. The Berne convention is close to 100 years old ...

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    2. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When upholding the 1998 extension in Eldred v. Ashcroft, the Supreme Court did so on grounds that it was harmonizing the copyright term to that of a major market for U.S. works, specifically distinguishing it from the sort of "legislative misbehavior" that commons advocates would refer to as "perpetual copyright on the installment plan." At the time, the European Union had recently extended the term from life plus 50 years to life plus 70 years to reflect the trend to start a family later, as the rationale for life plus 50 in the first place [copyrightalliance.org] had been the life of those heirs whom the author knew personally.

      So to what major market would a third successive extension be billed as harmonizing? No good answer would probably mean the third strike shows "legislative misbehavior."

      All excellent points, but in the end only one thing matters.

      The people's willingness to obey copyright laws.

      They can pass whatever laws they like but copyright is impossible to enforce unless most people are willing to follow it's restrictions. As the copyright cartels have bemoaned since forever, the more they strengthen/extend copyright laws, the more people that violate copyright.

      The US alone has ~310 million people. If even half decide to ignore copyright law it's done. The US government hasn't got the means to investigate, charge, and prosecute ~150 million-plus people if it wanted to.

      No law is enforceable in a nation of many millions if most of the population ignores it.

      Strat

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    3. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Duration_Directive

    4. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mexico is Life +100.

      https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/09/23/which-country-has-the-longest-copyright-term/

    5. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No law is enforceable in a nation of many millions if most of the population ignores it.

      Except that's when the enforcement is greatest, for the greatest profit, and the greatest harm.

      Think about it, millions of captive laborers, all slaving to the glory of the Great Pharoah.

      It's a new paradigm. And technology will make it so.

    6. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because they can't got after everyone doesn't mean that you aren't going to be one of the poor bastards who gets bankrupted for the rest of their life with legal fees and a multi-million dollar judgement.

    7. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by BlueStrat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No law is enforceable in a nation of many millions if most of the population ignores it.

      Except that's when the enforcement is greatest, for the greatest profit, and the greatest harm.

      Think about it, millions of captive laborers, all slaving to the glory of the Great Pharoah.

      It's a new paradigm. And technology will make it so.

      "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them...you create a nation of lawbreakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden." -- "Dr, Floyd" -- Atlas Shrugged - Ayn Rand

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    8. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Despite strikes and riots all over the country, bloodily put down by the Minute Men, Windrip's power in Washington was maintained. The most liberal four members of the Supreme Court resigned and were replaced by surprisingly unknown lawyers who called President Windrip by his first name. A number of Congressmen were still being "protected" in the District of Columbia jail; others had seen the blinding light forever shed by the goddess Reason and happily returned to the Capitol. The Minute Men were increasingly loyal—they were still unpaid volunteers, but provided with "expense accounts" considerably larger than the pay of the regular troops. Never in American history had the adherents of a President been so well satisfied; they were not only appointed to whatever political jobs there were but to ever so many that really were not; and with such annoyances as Congressional Investigations hushed, the official awarders of contracts were on the merriest of terms with all contractors. . . . One veteran lobbyist for steel corporations complained that there was no more sport in his hunting—you were not only allowed but expected to shoot all government purchasing-agents sitting.--It Can't Happen Here, Sinclair Lewis.

      Try to expand your reading material. Ayn Rand was known for her tendency to demonize and accuse, to manufacture enemies to rail against, yet never realizing her own overweening hypocrisy.

    9. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take Rand over Lewis 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.

      Without any justification that is an article of faith rather than a rational contribution to a discussion.

    10. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      The big test will be in 2036. That's when we hit 70 years from Walt Disney's death. That year, under current copyright law, anything Disney published before 1941 (secondary term of 95 years since first publication) falls into the public domain.

    11. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Well as the "War on Drugs" has shown, they can make a good try. How many Americans in prison now? How many have had fundamental rights removed?

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    12. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All excellent points, but in the end only one thing matters.

      The people's willingness to obey copyright laws.

      What does that have to do with anything? Copyright infringement has been common for years via BitTorrent and its ilk. That doesn't have any effect on the commercial impacts of copyright. There still aren't artists able to make a living off derivative works of things so old they're entrenched in our culture. Projects like Chrono Resurrection (which was shut down due to threats of a copyright-based lawsuit) still aren't happening. Projects like ReactOS are still blocked from even looking at decades old Windows code for fear of lawsuits.

    13. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Really? You don't see the hypocrisy in paying lip service to freedom and reason, whilst crushing any and all dissent within her own movement?

      Objectivism is a cult of personality masquerading as a philosophy.

    14. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take Rand over Lewis 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.

      Well, Strat, that just means you aren't very wise about expanding your horizons, it's not a matter of making false choices of limitation, but actions of broadening your perceptions.

    15. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "No law is enforceable in a nation of many millions if most of the population ignores it."

      They can always enforce it, even if it's only on a small number of people and can keep raising the penalties to exorbitant levels.
      Sure the chance that any one of 155 million copyright infringers being charged may be vanishing small but that's cold comfort to the handful that get fined $100,000 per file and get sent to prison.

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    16. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. People break copyright laws because it's easy, not because the laws are unjust.

      What proportion of piracy applies to works that are more than 50 years old? I don't know, but my guess would be a small fraction of a percent.

    17. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Also, it's a pretty powerful tool in the pocket of those in power when nearly EVERYONE they interact with are violating a law. That's thousands of dollars in liability where the owners are simply... merciful. When convenient.

    18. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Good point. Another use is targeting certain demographics that are unpopular for what ever reason.

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    19. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Most of Disney's work was done as a corporation, not an individual.

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    20. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by bgalbrecht · · Score: 2

      Disney's death has nothing to do with it. All of the Disney movies are works for hire, and have a 95 year copyright term. Unless the term is extended. early Disney cartoon shorts will enter the public domain next year, and the first Mickey Mouse cartoons will be public domain in 2024. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, his first full-length movie will be public domain in 2033. Even if they were not works for hire, the life+70 term limit is only valid for works created after 1975. Anything currently in copyright created between 1923 and 1975 all have a 95 year fixed term limit. Some items created between 1923 and 1963 had their copyright lapse because they were not renewed within 28 years, but that's probably not the case for any of the Disney works.

    21. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? You don't see the hypocrisy in paying lip service to freedom and reason, whilst crushing any and all dissent within her own movement?

      Objectivism is a cult of personality masquerading as a philosophy.

      What does whatever an author may believe in personal life have to do with what is written in black & white?

      You're not even simply judging a book by it's cover which is bad enough.

      You look at a writer's personal views and beliefs, views and beliefs that in many cases a writer may not have even held at the time of the book in question, and never make it as far as the cover to judge it by even that poor standard. Don't do that. Nobody wears ignorance well.

    22. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does whatever an author may believe in personal life have to do with what is written in black & white?

      If it were simply fiction, it wouldn't really matter - but Rand explicitly used her novels as a soapbox to promote her philosophy, as being RIGHT for everyone. Well, everyone else, anyway...

    23. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A lot of people break these laws because there is no way to get hold of the material legally. I have stopped enjoying movies and TV-shows, simply because they are not available to me. Even if I want to pay, those who holds the rights keep me from buying it, they actually are unwilling to sell it to me. You want to know why? well, I do not live in the US - so for some asinine reason, the Netflix I can subscribe to only holds a fraction of the material as the Netflix American or even UK subscribers get. That doesn't mean I am downloading it illegally mind you, I have simply stopped watching. But a lot of people DO pirate the shows and films they cannot get hold of legally - so what will have to happen to kill piracy, is to make your product available to those who wants to give you their money to have it. Stop thinking of the world as regions, the world is globalized. Accept it and move on. Create a platform where people can pay and enjoy your product - it's not hard.

    24. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright law may not affect the consumers of media much, at least not if it's easy to more-or-less anonymously infringe copyright, but it does affect creators of media. If you want to read LotR for free, you can just download the book somewhere, through direct download, torrent, IRC or otherwise, it's available and in all likelihood nobody's going to stop you. But if you want to write a story set in Arda and sell it to the general public, you've got a problem.

    25. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Nope the extra 20 years where notionally to allow authors to get the revenues that they missed out on due to two world wars.

      The real reason was the German state wished to retain copyright on "Mein Kampf" so they could keep it banned.

      It is hard to imagine that anyone could muster legislative support these days to extend copyright further.

    26. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forget, that was the hole point of the "War on Drugs". Nixons aid admitted that they knew there was no real purpose to it other than to vilify and harass political opponents.

    27. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it were simply fiction, it wouldn't really matter - but Rand explicitly used her novels as a soapbox to promote her philosophy, as being RIGHT for everyone. Well, everyone else, anyway...

      So what does any of that have to do with what's in the book?

      Checking an author's personal political/ideological stances to decide whether or not a book is worth taking at face value on it's own merits is the height of intellectual laziness, narrow-minded intolerance, and hypocrisy.

    28. Re:SCOTUS knows of "legislative misbehavior" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what does any of that have to do with what's in the book?

      I take it you haven't read anything of hers but her fiction. Again, her novels are an expression of her philosophy.

  6. The Mouse by jebrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if Disney can, yet again, push to protect the Mouse. That has been the key player in all the copyright pushes in the last 40 years. I think they have 5 more years (1928)

    1. Re:The Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You actually wonder? LOL. Of course they will, stop being a moron.

    2. Re:The Mouse by ZorinLynx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder why Disney feels the need to.

      Even if the earliest Mickey Mouse cartoons go public domain, they still have a TRADEMARK on the character Mickey Mouse, and that doesn't expire.

      You can't create a new Mickey Mouse cartoon without Disney's permission, regardless of copyright on the old films.

      Are the oldest cartoons making Disney much money these days? They're amusing, but I doubt they're selling a boatload of copies. Disney should let this go.

    3. Re:The Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      http://cdas.com/court-finds-that-use-of-registered-trademark-to-identify-public-domain-cartoon-character-is-not-infringement/

      Trademarks on public domain characters are weaker.

      Not that that would stop Disney lawyers.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uncensored_Mouse

    4. Re:The Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing the disdain that Disney has for public domain when they've made billions off of no fewer than 50 public domain titles over the life of the company -- Alice In Wonderland, Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid etc.

    5. Re:The Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Being out of copyright allows for third parties to remaster them and re-release them instead of Disney. So yes while Snow White(1934) or Pinoccio (194) might not be drawing in big money a 4k Re-release would certainly make a bit of cash. Not to mention app developers being able to put together some quality games with all the assets. That is what the companies are scared of, losing control to more agile companies.

    6. Re:The Mouse by antdude · · Score: 1

      I am sure they can with all the money they have. :/

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    7. Re:The Mouse by mykro76 · · Score: 1

      Disney may have already seen the writing on the wall. Rather than try to protect old material they've been frantically re-making everything in live-action:

      • 2014 - Maleficient (Sleeping Beauty)
      • 2015 - Cinderella
      • 2016 - The Jungle Book
      • 2017 - Beauty and the Beast
      • 2018 - Christopher Robin (Winnie the Pooh)
      • 2019 - Dumbo
      • 2019 - Aladdin
      • 2019 - Lion King
      • 2020 - Mulan

      And more to come.

    8. Re:The Mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And NONE of them are anywhere as near as good as the originals especially "The Jungle Book" (IMHO)

    9. Re:The Mouse by gazelam · · Score: 1

      The bigger deal has been the history of Winnie the Pooh. Although Mickey is obviously the 'face' of Disney, those who control the IP of the Milne books (not the Milne family for some time now) have continually lobbied Washington DC lawmakers for extended copyright over Winnie the Pooh. Once that lapses, Disney, Inc. will no longer need to pay Milne, Inc. for those rights and a large revenue stream becomes even larger. I dare say that at that point, the Pooh merch revenue stream should easily rival the Mickey merch revenue stream.

    10. Re:The Mouse by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      The Pooh merchandising revenue stream is actually orders of magnitude larger than the Mouse which is pretty small as a percentage. At one point it apparently accounted for 90% of all Disney's merchandising revenues in their stores. The main thing is that the Pooh has enduring worldwide timeless appeal.

    11. Re:The Mouse by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Song of the South. Probably one of the best movies they've ever released.

  7. No they won't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll see.

  8. my idea of reform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm actually fine with unlimited/really long copyrights that apply only with respect to making profits from the work in question. Meaning, if you're going to make some money off it, I don't see any reason why you can't share that with whomever created the work in the first place. And I'd include in that works that are "technically distinct" but highly derivative (i.e., the Russian publisher that took Harry Potter, changed the names and a few meaningless details, reworded it some and published as an original work).

    On the other hand, I think the copyrights as applied to non-profit use (friends passing copies amongst themselves, making available for free download, etc), should be quite short. 20 years at absolute most and in the digital age even that seems overly long.

  9. In case it wasn’t obvious by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    The 10 Commandments (1923) is different than The 10 Commandments (1956). Both were directed and produced by Cecil B. DeMille, but the former is a silent film that is set to be released into the public domain, whereas the latter stars Charlton Heston and Yul Brynner and is the one with which I suspect most of us here are more familiar.

    1. Re:In case it wasn’t obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having watched both the second one the 1956 version is the superior film. The 1923 version is basically a morality story, rather dull, and full of tropes. The second one has an actual story and interesting characters. The 2014 version exodus remake while good effects had poor story development and boring characters and skipped one of the hallmark pieces of the 50s version. Here is looking forward to 2051 when it goes out of copyright :)

    2. Re:In case it wasn’t obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No sh*t

    3. Re:In case it wasn’t obvious by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      The 1923 version is basically a morality story

      Gosh, who'd have thought a film about God handing out the Ten Commandments could be turned into a morality story instead of the lighthearted rom-com it originally was.

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    4. Re:In case it wasn’t obvious by stepho-wrs · · Score: 1

      rom-com?
      I thought it was a road-trip movie with a bit of a travelogue thrown in.

    5. Re:In case it wasn’t obvious by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Now I want to see this so bad.

    6. Re:In case it wasn’t obvious by tmh+-+The+Mad+Hacker · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as soon as I read the summary, I hit IMDB to check it out, because I had no idea DeMille directed another version.

  10. Constitutional Intent by Tokolosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Article I Section 8. Clause 8 â" Patent and Copyright Clause of the Constitution. [The Congress shall have power] âoeTo promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.â

    In order to maximize "progress of science and useful arts", the Constitutional requirement of "limited times" must be optimized. Note that that progress applies to the nation as a whole, and not to the authors and inventors.

    Zero time obviously has no benefit. Infinite time may have some benefit, but less than something between nothing and perpetuity.

    So what is the optimum? I contend that it is something considerably shorter than the current duration. And that just because other regimes choose poorly, does not mean the US has to follow suit. Congress should show some evidence before legislating.

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    1. Re:Constitutional Intent by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The evils of a long copyright duration have long been discussed going back to at least 1841:

      * A Speech delivered in the House of Commons on the 5th of February, 1841, by Thomas Babington Macaulay
      * A Speech delivered in a Committee of the House of Commons on the 6th of April, 1842, by Thomas Babington Macaulay

      Though, Sir, it is in some sense agreeable to approach a subject with which political animosities have nothing to do, I offer myself to your notice with some reluctance. It is painful to me to take a course which may possibly be misunderstood or misrepresented as unfriendly to the interests of literature and literary men. It is painful to me, I will add, to oppose my honorable and learned friend on a question which he has taken up from the purest motives, and which he regards with a parental interest. These feelings have hitherto kept me silent when the law of copyright has been under discussion. But as I am, on full consideration, satisfied that the measure before us will, if adopted, inflict grievous injury on the public, without conferring any compensating advantage on men of letters, I think it my duty to avow that opinion and to defend it.

      The first thing to be done, Sir, is to settle on what principles the question is to be argued. Are we free to legislate for the public good, or are we not? Is this a question of expediency, or is it a question of right? Many of those who have written and petitioned against the existing state of things treat the question as one of right. The law of nature, according to them, gives to every man a sacred and indefeasible property in his own ideas, in the fruits of his own reason and imagination. The legislature has indeed the power to take away this property, just as it has the power to pass an act of attainder for cutting off an innocent mans head without a trial. But, as such an act of attainder would be legal murder, so would an act invading the right of an author to his copy be, according to these gentlemen, legal robbery.

      Now, Sir, if this be so, let justice be done, cost what it may. I am not prepared like my honorable and learned friend, to agree to a compromise between right and expediency, and to commit an injustice for the public convenience. ...

      We have, then, only one resource left. We must betake ourselves to copyright, be the inconveniences of copyright what they may. Those inÂconÂveÂniÂences, in truth, are neither few nor small. Copyright is monopoly, and produces all the effects which the general voice of mankind attributes to monopoly. ...

      Now, I will not affirm that the existing law is perfect, that it exactly hits the point at which the monopoly ought to cease; but this I confidently say, that the existing law is very much nearer that point than the law proposed by my honorable and learned friend. For consider this; the evil effects of the monopoly are proportioned to the length of its duration. But the good effects for the sake of which we bear with the evil effects are by no means proportioned to the length of its duration. A monopoly of sixty years produces twice as much evil as a monopoly of thirty years, and thrice as much evil as a monopoly of twenty years. ...

      ...

      and (emphasis added)

      ...

      Sir, I have no objection to the principle of my noble friends bill. Indeed, I had no objection to the principle of the bill of last year. I have long thought that the term of copyright ought to be extended. When Mr. Serjeant Talfourd moved for leave to bring in his bill, I did not oppose the motion. Indeed, I meant to vote for the second reading, and to reserve what I had to say for the Committee. But the learned Serjeant left me no choice. He, in strong language, begged that nobody who was disposed to reduce the term of sixty years would divide wi

    2. Re:Constitutional Intent by Immerman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >Zero time obviously has no benefit.

      Are you sure? Do you truly believe that no art would be produced, nor science or technology developed, without the promise of ongoing economic reward for your work? Most of human history would suggest otherwise. And the benefit of zero protections is that derivative works may be developed immediately without any hindrance by the original creator.

      Since the adoption of patents for example, several countries have at various times decided to remove them - and generally enjoyed a technological renaissance until being pressured into re-adopting them. Now - how much of that renaissance was, like Hollywood's early years, due to wholesale copying of other people's work can be debated - but there was obviously value to be had in completely removing the monopolies.

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    3. Re:Constitutional Intent by Immerman · · Score: 1

      >The law of nature, according to them, gives to every man a sacred and indefeasible property in his own ideas, in the fruits of his own reason and imagination.

      It seems odd to me that any well-reasoned man could truly believe this - without government (the law of man) to impose a monopoly, there is nothing to stop one man from copying the ideas of another, except that he never share them in the first place. That is the law of nature.

      That was, I thought, the original reasoning behind technology patents: that the creator would clearly describe the mechanisms of their invention, sharing their hard-earned knowledge so that any other could learn from it without the burden of reverse engineering. And in exchange for freely sharing that knowledge, be granted a limited window when they were protected even from those who would otherwise have successfully performed the reverse engineering.

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    4. Re:Constitutional Intent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law of nature, according to them, gives to every man a sacred and indefeasible property in his own ideas, in the fruits of his own reason and imagination.

      It seems odd to me that any well-reasoned man could truly believe this - without government (the law of man) to impose a monopoly, there is nothing to stop one man from copying the ideas of another, except that he never share them in the first place. That is the law of nature.

      The only way to make an idea "property" in nature is to keep it a secret, entirely to yourself.

      "If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples, then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea, and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."
        – George Bernard Shaw

      "He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me."
        – Thomas Jefferson

    5. Re:Constitutional Intent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Zero time obviously has no benefit.

      Are you sure? Do you truly believe that no art would be produced, nor science or technology developed, without the promise of ongoing economic reward for your work?

      I think there was supposed to be an implicit "additional" in there, i.e. "no additional benefit." That is, if the Congress sets the copyright to zero then the intent of the clause is not met because it is not promoting progress, it is doing nothing beyond the natural state of things.

    6. Re:Constitutional Intent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Are you sure?"

      Pretty sure that hunger is a motivator.
      If anybody could copy your art as soon as you make it there would be less incentive to make.
      OTOH, if you had a big stock of art in the pipeline and needed no more income, there is also less incentive to make more.

      Companies work the same way. They can't afford to make really great stuff without some expectation of profit,
      OTOH, if they get a big catalog then there might be a tendency to just milk it instead of making great, new stuff.

      The constitutional justification for copyright is to promote.
      Overextending these terms to the point of diminishing returns does the reverse of this.
      To hide this, copyright owners claim other things like property rights.
      This ignores that these 'rights' were a bargain that they are trying to squirm out of.

      I think the idea of letting these things expire is a good one.
      The sky will not fall, and it may actually promote some new stuff.
      Hopefully the Congress will not come up with yet another Mickey Mouse law to prevent this.

    7. Re:Constitutional Intent by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      Good point.

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    8. Re:Constitutional Intent by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Do you truly believe that no art would be produced, nor science or technology developed, without the promise of ongoing economic reward for your work?

      Of course not. It is also obvious that without some sort of expected return, some of the spectacles (e.g. Infinity War) that have been created would not have been. This black and white thinking needs to be used for contrasts to gain understanding of the limits, it is not useful as the sole process in making a decision.

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    9. Re:Constitutional Intent by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      Do you truly believe that no art would be produced, nor science or technology developed, without the promise of ongoing economic reward for your work?

      Of course not. It is also obvious that without some sort of expected return, some of the spectacles (e.g. Infinity War) that have been created would not have been. This black and white thinking needs to be used for contrasts to gain understanding of the limits, it is not useful as the sole process in making a decision.

      It is, however, a useful and important question to ask, especially when trying to work out what the 'sweet spot' is, since you have to actually start discussing things like the cost involved in creating the intellectual property in more concrete terms.

    10. Re:Constitutional Intent by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Red Hat made a billion dollars giving away software. Hmmm.

    11. Re:Constitutional Intent by Immerman · · Score: 1

      I was only pointing out that there ARE in fact benefits to a no-monopolies situation, and that it is not an obviously minimum-benefit point on the continuum that their phrasing seems to imply. And that realization is important to a well-informed discussion.

      Yes, the great spectacles would probably be less common without some protection, but incremental improvements would probably be much more common. Which contributes more to the overall advancement is a non-obvious topic for discussion as we attempt to optimize the balance (assuming that is the goal, rather than just ever-increasing corporate handouts).

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  11. Re:If you find any creimer ebooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the beginning, I would have thought that somebody was mocking you.

    But I have come to know you pretty well and now I know that you're delusional enough to view a 1 subscriber gain as 6.25% and be happy about it completely disregarding the fact that your youtube channel is going down the drain since youtube flagged your unorthodox behavior!

  12. Re:If you find any creimer ebooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, creimer is a very special person so it makes sense that youtube has special flags for his channel.

  13. BC: 1885, math by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    The Berne Convention was accepted September 1886. That's over 131 years.

    1. Re:BC: 1885, math by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Yeah and German copyright, with minor changes, are as old as that.
      That was my point.

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  14. Why Mexico is a red herring by tepples · · Score: 1

    Mexico is nowhere near the sort of harmonization target that the European Union was for several reasons.

    EU shares a language At the time of the 1998 extension, the EU had two countries sharing English as its primary official and working language (though one is soon to leave). EU is richer The EU's GDP per capita is about four times Mexico's. This gives residents of EU countries on the whole more disposable income to purchase lawfully made copies of US works. EU observes rule of the shorter term The EU extension was worded in such a way that if a copyright expires in the country of first publication, it would expire in EU countries as well. Thus an extension was "needed" to prevent copyrights in US works from expiring in EU countries. Mexico doesn't have this rule of the shorter term.
  15. 1923 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a farce.

  16. Each new years.... is another year? Wow. by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    each New Year's Day will unleash a full year's worth of works published 95 years earlier.

    I get what you're saying, but that had to be hard to put down with a straight face.

    The fact that this IS kinda shocking is... man, this whole fucking this is just so obviously a farce.

    1. Re:Each new years.... is another year? Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's kind of a weird idea that everything from the same year goes PD at the same time, without regard to when in the year it was published.

    2. Re:Each new years.... is another year? Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They share a birthday. Like horses.

    3. Re:Each new years.... is another year? Wow. by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the paperwork for keeping track of precise publication dates for every creative work, and holding it for 95 years? A few months is a rounding error, literally at or less than 1%. I for one am glad they had the sense to just make it Jan 1 for everything.

  17. Copyrights should be 25 yrs + exponential payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Copyrights should be 25 yrs + exponential payments after that every decade.
    The goal is to protect the author so she may get a return on the investment, not have income forever.

    There are lots of works that aren't worth maintaining copyright over after 25 yrs, yet those are still locked up. There needs to be an automatic method for them to be freed, sooner, unless payment is made. Say $100K for years 26-35, then $1M for years 36-45, then $10M for 46-55 after release. Keep adding a zero every 10 yrs with a cap at 95 yrs, period.

    Disney has already addressed the copyright running out through trademarks of the mouse. It is a core image for their business and actively used. I don't have any issue with that. To maintain their copyright, paying $100M+/10 yrs seems reasonable.

  18. Re:If you find any creimer ebooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because APK subscribed as creimer promised APK he would fuck him in the ass some more to keep the rage down on slashdot doesn't mean anything. I hear APK likes the soy boys like creimer.and himself.

  19. Follow the money. by biggaijin · · Score: 1

    The many extensions of copyright are due in large part to the lobbying of companies such as Disney, who were desperately afraid that Mickey would pass into the public domain and all those Chinese companies would be able to make legal Mickey Mouse hats and shirts. The music business is the same. George Gershwin's grandchildren are still going to lunch on the royalties from all of his music, whose copyright the Gershwin Foundation's lawyers enforce vigorously. The protection of copyright is no longer just to protect artists and authors; it is used to protect corporations as well.

  20. Copyright extension legislation by thomn8r · · Score: 1

    in 3... 2... 1...

  21. Work not necessarily "made for hire" everywhere by tepples · · Score: 1

    Disney's death has nothing to do with it. All of the Disney movies are works for hire

    The definition of a "work made for hire" or "work of corporate authorship" in the copyright law of other countries may differ from that of the United States, particularly the EU countries whose Copyright Duration Directive formed the basis for the 1998 extension in the United States.

    1. Re:Work not necessarily "made for hire" everywhere by bgalbrecht · · Score: 1

      Since this article is about US copyright, and because Disney died in 1966 before the US switched to life+50, later extended to life+70, the public domain status in the US for no Disney movie created during his lifetime is affected by his death date, only the publication date. They will only stay in copyright longer if Congress extends the term again. It may well be that in Canada (still life+50), some or all of his movies are already in the public domain, or in the EU, they will be PD in 18 years, depending on their definition of authorship, and who else are also considered authors of those films.