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White House Considers Restricting Chinese Researchers Over Espionage Fears (nytimes.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: It sounds like something out of a science fiction movie: In April, China is said to have tested an invisibility cloak that would allow ordinary fighter jets to suddenly vanish from radar screens. This advancement, which could prove to be a critical intelligence breakthrough, is one that American officials fear China may have gained in part from a Chinese researcher who roused suspicions while working on a similar technology at a Duke University laboratory in 2008. The researcher, who was investigated by the F.B.I. but never charged with a crime, ultimately returned to China, became a billionaire and opened a thriving research institute that worked on some projects related to those he studied at Duke.
The Trump administration, concerned about China's growing technological prowess, is considering strict measures to block Chinese citizens from performing sensitive research at American universities and research institutes over fears they may be acquiring intellectual secrets, according to people familiar with the deliberations. The White House is discussing whether to limit the access of Chinese citizens to the United States, including restricting certain types of visas available to them and greatly expanding rules pertaining to Chinese researchers who work on projects with military or intelligence value at American companies and universities. The exact types of projects that would be subject to restrictions are unclear, but the measures could clamp down on collaboration in advanced materials, software and other technologies at the heart of Beijing's plan to dominate cutting-edge technologies like advanced microchips, artificial intelligence and electric cars, known as Made in China 2025.
The Trump administration, concerned about China's growing technological prowess, is considering strict measures to block Chinese citizens from performing sensitive research at American universities and research institutes over fears they may be acquiring intellectual secrets, according to people familiar with the deliberations. The White House is discussing whether to limit the access of Chinese citizens to the United States, including restricting certain types of visas available to them and greatly expanding rules pertaining to Chinese researchers who work on projects with military or intelligence value at American companies and universities. The exact types of projects that would be subject to restrictions are unclear, but the measures could clamp down on collaboration in advanced materials, software and other technologies at the heart of Beijing's plan to dominate cutting-edge technologies like advanced microchips, artificial intelligence and electric cars, known as Made in China 2025.
They want their cloaking tech back.
And since information is further restricted, ensuring that none may benefit except those who would abuse it's exclusivity
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What does that even mean? Knowledge isn't something that you can keep people from having. That's like saying "mathematical secrets".
"Murphy was an optimist" - O'Toole's commentary on Murphy's Law
Go ahead and put her trial, cowards! You have the political power to do it, so don't make excuses.
It must suck to be brainwashed.
If any research like that occurs at universities at all, it's out in the open. The national security value-added of slapping an ITAR restriction on a piece of equipment or on a research topic is questionable if you're generating publications on it or letting people access it with only a warning not to let foreign nationals handle it while securing it with nothing more than a locked cabinet. And the kicker is there's nothing that stops the Chinese from going to school in another western country without such restrictive conditions on the very same equipment or research topics you're locking away here.
JIN YANG! He also stole the new Internet. I expect that to be in production anytime soon too.
When I worked on research at the university, often paid for by DoD, the best researchers were often Chinese nationals. This was true for both professors and students. On one had, the DoD benefited from their hard work. On the other hand, I expected that the same research paid for by the US government was being sent right back to China.
The reality is, China is 1/3 of the world. That means 1/3 of the world's best research and most advanced weapons will be Chinese. If you want to see a model for the future of the world, look at China. The US is becoming more of a police state while China becomes more capitalist. As we move closer together, expect a globalist corporate police state to look after our well being on planet earth.
No way he could have gotten a security clearance to work on a project that uses something as classified as stealth technology. It makes complete sense to restrict doing research in the US on technologies that are similarly sensitive.
Start by calling on Trump to end the treasonous collusion investigation:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/conclude-russian-trump-collusion-investigation
China having an initiative to have more things "Made in China" is silly in that 90% of everything we flip over already says "Made in China" on the bottom.
It would be like a Microsoft initiative to "Have Microsoft on Every Business PC!"
Table-ized A.I.
That will be a big strategic mistake of part of the White House you should be encouraging a brain drain in China (which is one of China biggest weakness) not a brain gain in China, this will backfire spectacularly as China see their most brightest people come home to start companies and research, not to mention Canada, Europe, SK, Japan and other nations will catch them too, at the end of the day things are more than national security you also have to think about economic security and technological security too, the Soviet Union was a giant bureaucracy in steroid and the didn't end well, bureaucracy stifle business and research, U.S. open academic and research environment is one of their biggest asset that even if other nations win a little by taking advantage of the environment, the U.S. win much more.
I recommend "Spy Schools: How the CIA, FBI, and Foreign Intelligence Secretly Exploit America's Universities" by Daniel Golden, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. Our friends from China have been taking cutting edge technologies from our colleges back to their country for a very long time. The CIA is in there too, but that's a horse of a different color for U.S. readers, isn't it.
Knowing the FBI investigated the matter. NOT. I would not trust them to even investigate a stolen pencil from work let alone cloaking technology. The hard working rank and file FBI agents probably found something, but wear told not to disclose to anyone by their corrupt management.
Chinese people can copy american ideas written or spoken in english.
American people cannot copy chinese ideas written or spoken in chinese: there is a main reason, almost american people does not want to learn chinese because it is awful to learn it.
What do you when you refuse to learn or read chinese? I believe that the chinese words or characters are fuzzy as part of the trash. And the modern chinese alphabet is too long.
Are we sure that the stable genius in the Whitehouse didn't just watch an episode of Silicon Valley and think it was a documentary/news? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
Long before Clinton, there was a much "better" example illustrating your point.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
nice spin there.
not "fears". how many f'n *convictions* have we gotten in the last decade alone? from small companies to big National Laboratory types?
but make it sound like the whole thing is "paranoia" because *everything* gotta be BAD if the current Administration wants to do it.
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So if the said project is a national secret, why would anyone without clearance joint?
If it is just regular research, then such an exchange is no different from any scientific exchanges. If it is not bounded by NDA and patents, any researcher can learn and use the knowledge however they want.
Maybe we should ask why the US failed to materialize that invisible cloak but the Chinese can.
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You do?
Yea I do. My names Donald Trump.
In fact if you look at china it is neither has backward as you would think economically : the ruling elite there long understood that some part of capitalism made sense. The sole reason China is not #1, is because they started late at the game, at a moment most IP and technological advance was in the west and the US. Just look after 2nd world war. But in the last decade, they rose up sharply. If they continue that way they will be #1 sooner or later. And by that point, they will have far more phd and research done than the US will do, because as soon as those 1 billion people have the same education the US has, since the Chinese have the same intelligence curve than the American or European, then by numbers alone they will have as many researcher , PHD, and generate as much IP as both together. The thing is that they are on the catch up, and don't mistake that catching up with some supposed negative point of their politics. It isn't.
Here are some reasons why I am against that:
1. While it seems that banning Chinese citizens from participating in U.S. based high-tech research should work to restrict Chinese espionage, it would also curtail domestic research by barring brilliant Chinese scientists and engineers from working to their full potential in the U.S. It is trade-off, with no reason a priori to believe that it works to the U.S. advantage.
2. You do not have to be Chinese to spy on the U.S.
3. It is an expression of the same misguided impulse which resulted in Japanese internment camps during WWII; broad discrimination alleged on the basis of race and motivated by nationalism .
4. Importing the best and the brightest from China (and the rest of the world) is a great way for the U.S. to keep ahead.
5. Chinese Communism sucks ass. Any sensible Chinese citizen who spends time in the U.S. will realize that, as chaotic and nonsensical (see: Donald, Hillary) as is our system of Democracy, it is so much better than the Chinese dictatorial kleptocracy and their emperor-for-life. You are not going to get a lot of loyalty to China among Chinese in the U.S. because most of them hate the government of China.
6. I would be fine with secret, heightened scrutiny and monitoring of some foreign nationals (Chinese, Russian) who work in the U.S. and who have access to secret information. But only if there is indeed a greater risk of espionage among that group than among white American-born employees who will sell out their own nation for a bribe.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
Seriously, there are far far too many spies here, with most being Chinese, not Russian.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Until China opens their markets, no exchange students.
I'm talking about total freedoms. MSFT, Apple, Cisco shouldn't be forced to use Chinese workers.
Corporations shouldn't be forced to provide back doors for the Chinese govt.
Their people should be allowed total freedom of speech, especially against govt corruption.
Freedom of travel.
And the great firewall needs to be gone.
It isn't like the US started this protectionism. China has been doing it for 50+ yrs. Time to cut them off from all western/allies Universities.
They're called export controls.
I know the secret to a faster than light engine. Now your task is to try and get it from me.
They can't make semiconductors.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-29/why-can-t-china-make-semiconductors-jglgice5
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Meet me at the pizza parlor. You know the password.
Russia did it?
Yea that's the one.
Look, we have had restrictions for a long time. Export controls on technology are not widely known about or enforced. Most importantly, a foreign national within the U.S. learning the information is a regulated export: this is the "deemed export" rule. Making it about China is just noise. It isn't like North Korea or Iran are loved either.
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This has been known for years in the tech and dod communities, Chinese and Indian tech companies use H1B visa's to steal intellectual property and ship to friends over-seas. But you better not say anything because that would be racist.
Republicans in the Congress and the Administration don't support liberal education and research for Americans in STEM subjects. If the Trump Administration is going to restrict Chinese scholars doing research in American universities and institutions, then the Republican majority will have to rethink their position on home grown education, and make sure that more Americans have opportunities in American universities, and encourage more STEM research in the USA performed by Americans. The outsourcing of American expertise to other countries and nationalities has to stop.
Hmmm.... as if they would steal plans from the U.S. government. As if they would covertly RUN the U.S. government via their total control of banking and the media. As if.
You would be Potus if it were not for a Vast Chinese-Russian-Wing-Conspiracy !!!
Some fuel and some explosive bolts now counts as "missile technology". Exxagerate much, eh ?
Blame Clinton for not having proper sex with a healthy woman, but not for what you claimed.
The Chinese could shoot up satellites much before this happened. They launched their first satellite in the 70s. Probably they got lots of help from the Soviets for a certain period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_space_program#During_the_period_of_Sino-Soviet_co-operation
And they had detonated a nuke also way before the 90s.
China has indeed some capable and smart people, but of course they also sell cheap crap because they have so many people and there is money in this, too.
Actually, we should be scared by their massive state capital and what it can do (e.g. wiping out large telecom competitors). Europe and the US have been led by idiots for many decades while the Chinese were led by very smart patriots. We signed Unequal Treaties and called it "free trade". Beneficiaries are banksters and some corporates such as BMW, Daimler, Apple, Google. The losers are people whose jobs have been transferred to China. E.g. Nortel employees and millions of manufacturing workers. So will be the Daimler and BMW employees as soon as sufficient technology has been transferred VOLUNTARILY.
You never complain loudly about the Elite. Even if the Elite lives partially in a different nation. Never !
Last time I checked, TSMC was a chinese company. Just not "red Chinese".
But these fine points will matter less and less in the coming decades.
Only if China invades Taiwan.
Start by calling on Trump to end the treasonous collusion investigation:
Translation: I secretly fear/believe Trump is a traitor so I project this accusation onto his investigators.
I am going to end up in a concentration camp aren't I.