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A Stealthy Harvard Startup Wants To Reverse Aging in Dogs, and Humans Could Be Next (technologyreview.com)

The idea is simple, if you ask biologist George Church. He wants to live to 130 in the body of a 22-year-old. From a report: The world's most influential synthetic biologist is behind a new company that plans to rejuvenate dogs using gene therapy. If it works, he plans to try the same approach in people, and he might be one of the first volunteers. The stealth startup Rejuvenate Bio, cofounded by George Church of Harvard Medical School, thinks dogs aren't just man's best friend but also the best way to bring age-defeating treatments to market. The company, which has carried out preliminary tests on beagles, claims it will make animals "younger" by adding new DNA instructions to their bodies.

Its age-reversal plans build on tantalizing clues seen in simple organisms like worms and flies. Tweaking their genes can increase their life spans by double or better. Other research has shown that giving old mice blood transfusions from young ones can restore some biomarkers to youthful levels. "We have already done a bunch of trials in mice and we are doing some in dogs, and then we'll move on to humans," Church told the podcaster Rob Reid earlier this year. The company's efforts to keep its activities out of the press make it unclear how many dogs it has treated so far. In a document provided by a West Coast veterinarian, dated last June, Rejuvenate said its gene therapy had been tested on four beagles with Tufts Veterinary School in Boston. It is unclear whether wider tests are under way.

However, from public documents, a patent application filed by Harvard, interviews with investors and dog breeders, and public comments made by the founders, MIT Technology Review assembled a portrait of a life-extension startup pursuing a longevity long shot through the $72-billion-a-year US pet industry. "Dogs are a market in and of themselves," Church said during an event in Boston last week. "It's not just a big organism close to humans. It's something people will pay for, and the FDA process is much faster. We'll do dog trials, and that'll be a product, and that'll pay for scaling up in human trials."

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  1. Re:Don't do it by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or vampires. This is exactly how vampires get started.

  2. A world full of stupid people.... by MikeDataLink · · Score: 4, Funny

    That live forever. Exactly what we need.

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    1. Re:A world full of stupid people.... by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

      They've already doing preliminary testing on this. They're trying to get rid of some of the side effects, but haven't been able to figure out yet why it turns your skin orange or shrinks your hands.

    2. Re:A world full of stupid people.... by ranton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A world full of stupid people that live forever. Exactly what we need.

      It doesn't have to be cheap enough that everyone can live forever. Perhaps it becomes a prime motivator to work once basic income rolls around.

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    3. Re:A world full of stupid people.... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, see, it'll be worse than that. It'll be stupid, evil rich people living forever, that we'll have to put up with. Include politicians in that group. Think about this: Vladimir Putin running Russia for the next 100 years (or more). They'll do whatever they can to make sure the treatment is very expensive so only The Rich can afford it -- and as a matter of fact they'll probably buy up all the rights to it and bury it, so only The Few of The Rich can have it, and no one else. Hell, this is the sort of thing that, if it works and is safe, people will be killed over it.

      Part of me would like something like this; I'm an athlete now, and I'm in my 50's, and would love it to go back to being in my 20's physically and make the best of my chosen sport. But another part of me wants this to fail, not be real at all, because it could actually be very destructive to our civilization and our species as a whole.

    4. Re:A world full of stupid people.... by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps it becomes a prime motivator to work once basic income rolls around.

      Quite the opposite. Citizens that voted themselves onto permanent welfare will also vote themselves this treatment for free. And free television, and a free couch.

      Delusional thinking at it's finest.

      No matter how much citizens vote, a Ferrari will never be free. And you can sure as fuck bet that immortality won't be either.

    5. Re:A world full of stupid people.... by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Delusional thinking at it's finest.

      And yet you think free money for everyone for life is plausible? Now who's delusional?

      Uh, when and where in my statement did I ever confirm that bullshit? No, I don't believe free money for life is plausible, but humans becoming unemployable is inevitable. And no matter how plausible UBI is or isn't, it won't stop a few hundred million idiots voting for their favorite liar promising to deliver it. The only delusion here is assuming that would never happen.

    6. Re:A world full of stupid people.... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2
      Apparently you're still laboring under the incorrect assumption that the world is fair and people play fair, especially The Rich.

      Buy up the technology
      Make everyone who understands it sign NDAs
      Patent/copyright the technology
      Refuse to license it to anyone for any price
      Sue the living daylights out of anyone who independently discovers the process/formula/protocol/whatever you want to call it
      Have less-than-credible-sounding people post on the Internet about it in such a way that you convince people it was never real, was always a hoax
      Fund 'research' that shows that it's a hoax, was never possible, was about as legit as all the 'cold fusion' claims of the last decade or so
      After a while nobody believes it was ever real, everyone stops talking about it
      Secret is now safe, only The Rich have access to it

      That's roughly how it would work, and don't think for a minute that similar things haven't been done before. Corporations do hostile take-overs and buy-outs all the time and then bury whatever it is.

  3. Just me, if you don't mind by AlanBDee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would love to live an extended life or "forever". I just don't want everyone else to as well. The social and economic stresses it would put on the finite resources of this planet scare me. I think there's a reasonable chance that we'll see this in our lifetimes and it may be things like war that ends up killing people instead of "natural causes".

    1. Re:Just me, if you don't mind by quantaman · · Score: 2

      I would love to live an extended life or "forever". I just don't want everyone else to as well. The social and economic stresses it would put on the finite resources of this planet scare me. I think there's a reasonable chance that we'll see this in our lifetimes and it may be things like war that ends up killing people instead of "natural causes".

      I agree overpopulation is a serious consequence of life extension.

      But people dying preventable deaths is hardly the optimal solution. If it's a choice between people dying of old age and restrictions on reproduction I'd choose restrictions on reproduction. Sure it's a terrible violation of human rights, but so is dying.

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    2. Re:Just me, if you don't mind by ranton · · Score: 2

      I think there's a reasonable chance that we'll see this in our lifetimes and it may be things like war that ends up killing people instead of "natural causes".

      More likely it will be being middle class or lower which kills people, once it is priced at $50k per year per person (in 2018 dollars) to stop this from creating too much of a strain on resources.

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    3. Re:Just me, if you don't mind by crow · · Score: 2

      In Red Mars, they solved the resource problem of immortality by instituting a one child per couple family. If you do the math, each generation being 50% the size of the previous one with no deaths results in a doubling of the population. They proposed creating a market for the half child allowance each person receives, so those that didn't want children could sell to someone who did.

      Of course, that requires a very strong government, which has its own problems, but at least there are solutions.

      On the practical side, mutations will tend to accumulate over ever longer lifespans, resulting in an ever increasing opportunity to study cancer. We may see lots of people hitting 100, but not many reaching 200.

    4. Re:Just me, if you don't mind by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Hopefully by the time this Fountain of Youth therapy is available to a population the people will also have the where withal and good sense to practice family planning. Earth would be a great place to live if we could get the population under a billion and keep it there.

  4. The Dream of Immortality by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    I don't want to live forever (and that's impossible anyways, entropy always wins)... but I wouldn't mind a solid chance of living until *I* decide I don't want to live any longer rather than being slowly crippled by age until my body gives up on me.

  5. Sounds good to me by nagora · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd love to live to 130 in the body of a 22 year old, but I think she'd be doing most of the work towards the end...

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  6. Re:Human treatment. by quantaman · · Score: 2

    The human treatment will cost hundreds of thousands...millions?

    The billionaires will live to 130 with great health and the rest of us plebes? Sorry, insurance doesn't cover cosmetic treatments.

    In the developing world sure, but within a few years of it being established everyone will get some form of the treatment in the west.

    The rich control a lot for certain, but the GOP showdown was a battle between Trump and Cruz, the two people most hated by the elites in the GOP. And Trump actually became President.

    You think you Trump ran an effective populist campaign? Just wait for "Vote for me or you will literally die (of old age)".

    I don't think that would be a particularly close election.

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  7. Re:More than telomeres? by Graydyn+Young · · Score: 5, Informative

    They are vague on the details, but it sounds like they are starting with fixing a congenital heart defect in certain types of badly inbred dogs. They even mention that it's not really age reversal but "pet owners won’t worry about semantics". As far as I can tell, they are just taking the anti-aging angle to drive the hype train.

  8. Sorry .. just no by AnthonywC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not discussing whether it is even scientifically feasible, I abhor the idea that people will live "forever" in a youthful human body. Because the last thing that this world needs is the ability for the rich and powerful to live even longer, like some real life vampires that will literally prey on the rest of humanity. Before they solve aging, they better work on improving humanity itself, because biologically we are all selfish monkeys due to our genetics.

  9. Life is meant to be finite by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that our life spans are meant to be finite and I think if we embrace this understanding, we will lose our fear of death. IMHO, people concerned about living forever are not enjoying their lives presently. I would rather enjoy the life that I have then try to spend life looking for the fountain of youth. As someone who has seen people in various states of death and decline, I would sooner die than experience that pain and suffering. The world is also pretty inhospitable so I am not terribly attached to this life. The world is overpopulated now. Imagine if people started living vastly longer lives. The world's problems would only get worse.

  10. Regulatory friction by Shotgun · · Score: 2

    FTS:
    "It's not just a big organism close to humans. It's something people will pay for, and the FDA process is much faster. We'll do dog trials, and that'll be a product, and that'll pay for scaling up in human trials."

    I'm not going to claim that all regulation is bad, but there is a common theme out there that regulation is NEVER bad. This sentence can be read to say that they could alleviate pain and suffering faster, but the FDA is in the way.

    From my own experience, I've seen the same thing with the FAA in my non-professional life. Just about anything that can be considered innovative in the GA aviation market occurs in Experimental Aviation. It is just too hard to get anything through the FAA blockade.

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  11. Re:Don't do it by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or vampires. This is exactly how vampires get started.

    I don't mind being a vampire, as long as I'm a Count Dracula erudite and classy vampire rather than one of those sissy whiny emo twilight vampires.

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