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Facebook Asks British Users To Submit Their Nudes as Protection Against Revenge Porn (betanews.com)

Mark Wilson writes: Following on from a trial in Australia, Facebook is rolling out anti-revenge porn measures to the UK. In order that it can protect British users from failing victim to revenge porn, the social network is asking them to send in naked photos of themselves. The basic premise of the idea is: send us nudes, and we'll stop others from seeing them .

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  1. Ok by Ksevio · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't see how anything could go wrong with this plan!

    1. Re: Ok by mSparks43 · · Score: 2

      I hope they don't charge that much for the dataset on silkroad 3.1

    2. Re: Ok by aphelion_rock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am sure there will be a few FB employees who will enjoy looking through the new FB p0rn collection.

      Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?

    3. Re:Ok by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Apparently one of Facebooks new 'partner companies' is PornHub, LOL.

    4. Re:Ok by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      I don't see how anything could go wrong with this plan!

      Project director Benjamin Hill promises to personally evaluate and rank each female image. The male images will be used as bargaining chips in Hill's plan.

      He further vowed to develop a version of the show, edited for US audiences, for BBC America.

    5. Re: Ok by DeVilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?

      ... and someone will start submitting hashes of pictures that embarrass a politician they like and for pictures that show a politician from the other party in a favorable way. Unfettered access to Facebook's ban hammer.

    6. Re: Ok by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Getting everyone to send in nude photos of themselves in the most logic solution to the problem.

      Not really, no.

      Lets be honest be biggest problem with revenge porn is the people exposed are not the clean living innocents they pretend to be,

      Again, not really, no.

      the moral mature people they want you to believe they are as the seduce you and empty out your assets.

      WTF you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about something...

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    7. Re: Ok by shockwaverider · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Instead of deleting nudes images of you based upon nude image of you, simply publish the nude image and you have nothing left to hide, unless of course you are a slut trying to pretend you are not one because you are working you next victim to clean out.

      Privacy is a human right. I bet you have curtains in your home. Why? (if you have nothing to hide.....)

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    8. Re: Ok by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is facebooks nipple ban upset a lot of breastfeeding moms

      So what? Sure it's a perfectly natural thing but so is taking a shit.

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    9. Re: Ok by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      "Due to a software bug, some of the nude pictures have accidentally been stored as plain jpg instead of hashes. If you are on this list of a billion users, your images may have been compromised. We deeply apologize and have taken steps to ensure this doesn't happen again."

    10. Re: Ok by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?

      Comparing hashes would only find exact duplicates. Just crop two pixels to the left, or make the image slightly darker or lighter would break the hash. Heck, even changing the metadata would break most hashes.

    11. Re: Ok by pnutjam · · Score: 3, Informative

      Facebook says they are only storing hashes, NOT the original picture. So there's really no reason users can't create the hashes, with maybe a flag to view the image being blocked the first time the hash is matched. That would prevent abuse.

  2. Redistribution of Sex by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Asking for nude photos to prevent nude photos from being posted is the second most audacious demand on the internet recently.

    The first one was when incels and Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

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    1. Re: Redistribution of Sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't understand why so many men think they are exempt from the forces of natural selection. If you're fat and ugly and don't have a brain capable of making yourself appeal to women you're not really entitled to any sex unless you pay for it.

      About 1 in 5 women will give me a curious glance to suggest they're interested. Initiating contact often complicates this as they assess whether they think we are compatible in outlook and goals. The biggest turn off is moving too fast and being too keen. Whether socially constructed or not, women seem to have a lot of vanity behind them and stroking their own egos seems to be a lot of the game initially.

      That's instincts but it's not the whole game. Being kind, truthful and competent are major parts of attracting a woman especially as they get older.

      Ultimately your lack of sex has nothing to do with women themselves. It's about you competing with other men. Don't feel angry at them. Why should they opt for something inferior. You make yourself better until it works. Just don't be so nieve to even think you know what better is if it's not already working for you.

      It's either a famine or a feast and it's got a lot more to do with yourself than them. Oh and they and everyone around you can tell when you're looking at their breasts and asses. Bring that into real life too much without being a jock and you're going to be stuck watching porn.

      Finally most women are more left leaning that men, especially social issues. If you think being an altright fan boy is going to give you any success in that department, I really hope you don't mind being stuck with shallow golddiggers.

      Real women have feeling and hopes and dreams just as you do. Your altright attitude is going to cramp their individuality. Your mom might have been into that but that's not the case anymore. Try talk to more girls than just your mom and actually listen and learn to how they think.

      Unless they're a rabid SJW. You don't need a fucking mental case.

    2. Re:Redistribution of Sex by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Vice can be entertaining. (search for the 'Columbian donkey fuckers')

      The mistake Ratzo makes, is believing what he wants to be true, same as always.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    3. Re:Redistribution of Sex by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Citation of a specific, direct, demand with a threat please.

      Since you said, "please", here you go:

      Elliot Rodger, the Isla Vista killer, uploaded a video to YouTube about his “retribution” against attractive women who wouldn’t sleep with him (and the attractive men they would sleep with) before killing six people in 2014.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      And this is directly from Robin Hanson's blog:

      "One might plausibly argue that those with much less access to sex suffer to a similar degree as those with low income, and might similarly hope to gain from organizing around this identity, to lobby for redistribution along this axis and to at least implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met. As with income inequality, most folks concerned about sex inequality might explicitly reject violence as a method, at least for now, and yet still be encouraged privately when the possibility of violence helps move others to support their policies. (Sex could be directly redistributed, or cash might be redistributed in compensation.)"

      But really, the demand for sex with a threat of violence has been a tool of losers and incels for millennia:

      https://forward.com/schmooze/4...

      If none of that satisfies you, I would direct you to the /incel section of 4chan or reddit.

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    4. Re: Redistribution of Sex by Crizzam · · Score: 2

      Women like sex as much or more than men.

    5. Re:Redistribution of Sex by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      The mistake Ratzo makes, is believing what he wants to be true, same as always.

      Ah looks like we found the incel!

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    6. Re: Redistribution of Sex by Bongo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I gather, vaguely, that when humanity was just tribes, it was a significant advance to start to focus on a stable family unit. But part of that was oppressing womens' sexuality, along with every other natural impulse. Eventually the whole matter of impulse control became the core theme of the monotheistic religions, which allowed the construction of empires out of disparate tribes. But after the Western enlightenment, and arguably, in Eastern countries where monotheism didn't hold, the freedom of the individual started to be more important, and so a return to the question of, how to integrate natural impulses and desires, without crushing the life out of them in puritanical obsessions. Also, historically, matriarchy got flushed out by patriarchy, what with the division of labour which occurred with agriculture. So we have a lot of baggage. And we have post-modern baggage, as post modernity arose largely in literary circles, where things like physics and biology are not really seen as relevant, then the post modern notion that EVERYTHING is a mere cultural and literary construct, has created the meme that all gender and sex is merely a construct, a construct which is exploited for power grabs, and that's the sort of cultural marxist critique of well, everything. So it is a topic laden with baggage all the way down the ages. Perhaps in a hundred years, once we are all free to be ourselves, and free of historical dogmas, and free of post modern dogmas, we'll truly be able to answer questions about what is natural.

    7. Re: Redistribution of Sex by scamper_22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll bite for the sake of it.

      1. Women want and have sex just as much as men. The issue is they only want to have sex upper men.

      2. The issue of 'monogamy' allowing distribution of women which has the side impact of reducing crazy aggression is not much different than other arguments. Ever heard someone say... society has to handle economic inequality because if inequality gets too high, people riot, kidnap, steal... and society breaks down. It's pretty much the same argument except in one you're 'robbing someone of their labor' and in the other you're 'controlling someone of their sexuality'.

      3. This is just more personal advice than anything. Don't bother with complaining about women. And if you're a women reading this... don't complain about men. Both sexes are who they are and there's enough difference in both genders that chances are, it's you that's the problem. So even if we take all of your observations are 'true'. You believe that women today go for how entertaining a guy is. Alright... that's the hand us guys are dealt according to you. So the advice should be for guys to work on being more entertaining. Even if you think it's shallow... do it to 'rope' her in then show her all the rest of your amazing self. Same with girls... if they think men only care about looks. If that's what they think... then put in the work to look good... then show the guy the real value of your character.... For such an important life choice and purpose to life, most of the people don't put in the kind of work. And it's not that hard work. Get a good haircut, take care of yourself... You don't need to be The Rock or Arnold or Tom Cruise here, but do the basics which take up almost no time, and you'll be able to attract someone. I'm almost 35, and I'm only now looking right. I got married before this, but I look at myself now, and think... shit... I coulda had so many girl all my life if I just put in an hour a week. I do what I do now mainly for work. Sharp haircut, decent clothes... little workout. I spent more time browsing online profiles and stuff before this.

      Just do something anything... to make yourself happy. I suffered pretty severe depression or what you call it in my mid 20s, feeling like I was stuck and society was screwed up. I'd never take it out on society like these incels people, but I could have given up on life. I look at myself back then and realize... I could have done so much.

      Heck, even if you have no skills with women and you want sex... take a trip overseas and go to thailand. I don't mean that jokingly... I seriously wish I had done that. I had a good job? Do something.

      This is probably shitty advice at some level, but take it within the context of what I'm saying. Give up on politics. Give up on society. You're not that powerful or skilled to change it. Get out of your systems thinking head of what is wrong with society and how to arrange it properly. I spent way too much time in my head like that and still do. Just friggin live your life and do things.You'll actually become more capable of actually changing things if you do.

    8. Re:Redistribution of Sex by fuzzyf · · Score: 2

      How about you find the link to what Jordan Peterson actually said? with context

      I can assure you that he do not have the oppinion you assume on this matter.

      Funny how haters always link to some article with someone else posing a straw man.

  3. Re:In other news facebook has gone completely insa by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just you wait until this time next year when everyone is shocked and outraged at these pics being leaked.

  4. Who's Running This Company? by rutabagaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm kind of shocked how tone deaf this is. If a company generally perceived as trustworthy asked the British to send them their nudes, there would be plenty of eyebrows raised. Now how trustworthy is facebook? In the UK?

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    1. Re:Who's Running This Company? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Perhaps they should ask for a credit card number (and expiration date / CVS) along with the naked pictures. Just to prove they're over 18. Don't want any child pornography here.

        Then it will seem totally legit.

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  5. FB should make downloadable tool available to by Utopia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    calculate the image hashes.

    There are several libraries available to calculate image hashes that can be built into a desktop tool
    For example: https://github.com/JohannesBuc...

    1. Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to by 14erCleaner · · Score: 4, Funny

      They'd get deluged with pranks, such as hashes for pictures of Trump, etc.

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  6. April Fools is Late This Year by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Informative

    All of you actually fell for this?

    1. Re:April Fools is Late This Year by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      The Zuck would wish he was blind, if actual /.ers sent him nudes.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  7. I don't understand this by klingens · · Score: 2

    Does this mean Facebook is a major revenge porn site? Cause the only way Facebook can prevent revenge porn disemination is, if they are the network where it actually happens.
    So do I get this right: Facebook is a hotbed of (illegal) revenge porn sharing? And if so, why are they not suppressing that? Why is no AG suing their pants off for billions or give Zuck some much needed jailtime?

    Facebook can and does prevent any publication of a picture with a nipple in their precious "timelines" and such, so they obviously can suppress the same nipples in any other picture that is shared via or travels through their servers. No more nudies from their captive sheep needed.
    This sounds more like a "give us your embarassing pictures so we can better blackmail you" kinda thing.

  8. why cant he get his porn like normal people by coolmoe2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Seriously this guy has won my creepiest fucker ever award.

    Even if you can upload the image to them to "fingerprint" images are often cropped and converted to other image formats and recompressd which fucks that up. So unless they have some super AI that can detect that from a 2nd generation repost this wont work.

    Just as a side note if some super porn sniffing AI can do this can I get access to it for purely scientific reasons.

    1. Re:why cant he get his porn like normal people by worf_mo · · Score: 2

      Even if you can upload the image to them to "fingerprint" images are often cropped and converted to other image formats and recompressd which fucks that up. So unless they have some super AI that can detect that from a 2nd generation repost this wont work.

      Images can be fingerprinted or hashed with the help of perceptual hashing (alternative article). These hashes will match even if the original image has been cropped, resized, changed in color or rotated (to a certain extent).

      See also Block Mean Value Based Image Perceptual Hashing (2006):

      Image perceptual hashing has been proposed to identify or authenticate image contents in a robust way against distortions caused by compression, noise, common signal processing and geometrical modifications, while still holding a good discriminability for different ones in sense of human perception.

  9. Weird Fetish by avandesande · · Score: 2

    Why do they want British nudes?

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  10. At last by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Finally the end game of Zuckerburg's master plan emerges. As with most males, it ended up being a convoluted plan to get terribly quality nude images of women from an internet awash with professionally photographed porn.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  11. Re:Nice try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Probably because there isn't a "-1 Retarded" mod.

  12. Re:Nice try by nukenerd · · Score: 2

    Come on people need to take responsibility for there actions .. if you don't want naked pictures of yourself then stop taking them.

    Or use a camera that does not promptly upload its contents to the internet without asking. Or don't such things exist any more?

  13. don't dress like a whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a troll because:

    If you don't wanna get robbed, lock your doors.
    If you don't wanna get murdered, don't piss anyone off.
    If you don't wanna get raped, stop dressing like a whore

    All those things still happen no matter if you do or do not. It's a bullshit argument tactic.

  14. Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n? by Goonie · · Score: 5, Informative
    I haven't personally, but I have spent at length with people whose job includes helping the victims of "revenge porn" (or image-based abuse, as they prefer to more accurately call it), and they have generally welcomed this development. I was at the conference was this was launched in Australia, and applause went around the room.

    This is *not* intended as a general "send your nudes to Facebook and get them blocked" service. This is for a smaller group of people who have specific reason to believe that specific images are either likely to be circulated, or are already circulating in Facebook Messenger.

    For people in this situation, sometimes, having a Facebook admin look at your nude pictures, while much less than ideal, is far less of a problem than letting those pictures circulate to people like your family, friends, and employer. Doing this, or threatening to do so, is a common technique of domestic abuse.

    I agree with the critiques that it would be far, far better if you didn't have to send the image itself to Facebook to be hashed, but a) Facebook, not unreasonably, doesn't want the blocking service used for purposes other than that intended, b) the photo hashing technology is proprietary and they don't want it reverse-engineered if they can avoid it, and c) doing the hashing locally is going to create usability issues for users who are often not particularly technology-savvy.

    I wouldn't for a minute suggest that this is a perfect system. But take your male middle-class tech geek glasses of for one fucking second and try listening to the people whom this system has been put in place to help.

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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  15. Re:Nice try by radarskiy · · Score: 2

    It really takes a special snowflake to earn money and then get when people steal it. It must be more fun to get angry than to exercise good judgement and not have nice things in the first place.

  16. Turns out by radarskiy · · Score: 2

    Facebook already has all your nude photos. They're just making you submit your own copies for identity verification.

  17. I think that's the idea by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think that's the idea. Nobody submits their photos because of how creepy/stupid this is. But when Facebook gets sued for helping distribute revenge porn, they tell the judge "Your Honor (or whatever they call them in the UK), we have a system in place designed to prevent exactly this type of incident from ever happening. But the victim refused to participate. Therefore the fault is entirely hers, not ours.

    1. Re:I think that's the idea by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...they tell the judge "Your Honor (or whatever they call them in the UK),

      It's still your honour but spelt right. ;)

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    2. Re:I think that's the idea by wiretrip · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree. Or maybe this is the ultimate 'dead cat' strategy. Make an outrageous demand of the users so people concentrate on that and forget all the other shit going on with FaeceBook at the moment...

  18. Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You made the following explicit claim (emphasis added):

    The first one was when incels and Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

    You provided the following links, neither of which mention Jordan Peterson:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    https://forward.com/schmooze/4...

    You mention 'Robin Hanson's blog' but did not provide any link. Assuming you meant the following link from one of the articles, it does not mention Jordan Peterson either:

    http://www.overcomingbias.com/...

    So you have not provided any citation where Jordan Peterson is even mentioned, let alone that he specifically "demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders". Apparently your sources refer to "incels" for the first part of your claim, but the second part is unsubstantiated by the citations:

    Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

    One could assert in a similar manner that "Donald Trump and PopeRatzo bragged about grabbing women by the pussy" and cite cnn.com with the same level of evidence you as what you had provided: i.e. absolutely none for the second party mentioned, who is never mentioned in any of the linked sources.

    So do you have any actual evidence -- specifically an unabridged direct quote of him for the full context -- that Jordan Peterson "demanded that women have sex with [him] to prevent mass murders"?

  19. Re:Hello dear American Catholibans by Boutzev · · Score: 2

    Exactly. That's the reason why they can roaam naked all day without fear of unexpected erections.