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Trump Cancels Singapore Summit With North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un (cnbc.com)
President Donald Trump has cancelled his much anticipated meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that was scheduled to take place in Singapore on June 12, he announced moments ago. In a letter to Kim, the president said; "I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place." He added, "You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
It's in trumps style of negotiation. He's always going to go for the BEST deal that he can get, and this is not at all out of the ordinary for Trump.
Back when it was first announced, Scott adams almost immediately said "expect one of them, probably trump, to walk away at least once before any actual negotiations take place".
Fun to see these types of negotiating dynamics playing out on the world stage.
and then there is Kim Jong Un to worry about . . .
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"...and stuff that matters"
When it is important as calling out a Russian Plant, we are going to report on it.
Have a nice day, son.
It wasn't Trump, it was Pence and Pompeo who threatened North Korea with a Libyan outcome.
These people are neophytes on the world stage and it shows.
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
Played like a cheap violin.
It wasn't Trump, it was Pence and Pompeo who threatened North Korea with a Libyan outcome.
A distinction without a difference. Trump wants to play emperor then he gets to take responsibility for what happens on his watch too. Not just the bits he likes.
in much the same I cancel dates with hot girls I met on the street.
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Pulls out of Paris. Messes up with Iran. Get's his ass handed to him by Russians in Syria. NK summit fails... that completes my line across the middle.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
If the threat of imminent death due to nuclear war doesn't trigger your "things I care about" alarm, then you are a special kind of nerd. Maybe rephrasing of the headline would help:
"Trump Cancels Singapore Summit With North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un. Major ISPs In The USA At Risk Due To Nuclear Bombardment."
Does that help?
All he had to do is keep his mouth shut and let South Korea do the heavy lifting... But noooooo....
South Korea doing the heavy lifting? Please...
The guy in charge down south is so bent on peace at any price that he's almost just giving Kim everything, including control of South Korea. The leader of South Korea just ran a campaign on this issue and has HUGE political pressure to show results, any kind of results. They are in no mood to lift anything, heavy or not over there.
Kim is really the one who's responsible for this. Kim has been ratcheting up the rhetoric. He's been saying stupid stuff about Trump, Pompano and Pence even. I personally think that Kim is afraid of a revolt if he is out of the country for too long with any advance warning. I also think he's convinced that he can negotiate his way into keeping his nuclear weapons, which he sees as his lifeline.
Given that the denuclearization of both Korea's is Trump's stated goal, I'm guessing that we are at an impasse and Trump is making his demand clear, no keeping your WMD's, no negotiation on that point so the sanctions stay in place. Kim is powerless to force anything, so his only gambit is to pull out. Trump is letting him decide, saying "OK, This issue is non-negotiable for me, so if you want to meet, that's the deal. Call me if you change your mind."
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
"I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place."
This part was written in a calm but stern manner.
What we get then is
"You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
This is written with how we know he writes. So I think that he indeed added this as he did not understand that the first part already said the same thing, but in a much more diplomatic wording.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
The comments were pretty harsh.
Compared to the US saying that we were going to use "the Libya model"?
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
This is yet another negotiation tactic, because NK was starting to believe they could get a lot of concessions form the U.S.- Trump here is just letting NK in no way will they be able to keep nuclear weapons.
NK will fold soon ad the talks will be back on.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Yes, they way you get the best deal is to be willing to walk away from the deal if it isn't right.
Unfortunately, too many "experts" view geo-political negotiations like the famous South Park Underpants Gnomes:
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Ken
Yes, including one where Gadaffi was overthrown and eventually murdered. Making threats (or just using such ridiculously clumsy language during such a critical phase of diplomacy) is pathetic. It's amateur hour in the White House apparently.
The US never agreed to the Iran deal. And Iran never signed the deal anyway, so...
What's that in the top left corner then?
And voting for UN security council resolution 2231 was a strange way of showing that you never agreed with the deal. You can complain about the kindergarten you call congress refusing to support anything and everything Obama did all you like, at the UN, we expect you to send qualified adults that can make decisions befitting their position within your administration.
He's talking about the seismic activity at their nuclear test site suggestive of a collapse of the site. But there's a massive difference between that and "f'ed their nuclear program". Losing a test site is not the same thing as losing your nuclear programme.
Give a boy a gun and you arm him for a day. Teach him how to make a gun, and the whole metaphor breaks down.
Which one?
there are multiple things which are referred to as "the Libya model".
The model where a regime voluntarily surrenders it's nuclear weapons program and other WMDs and 5 years later we sponsor a coup where its leader winds up dead. Un is a ruthless dictator, but he is not "crazy". He's a rational actor. All he has to do is look at Libya and Iraq to conclude he'd have to be suicidal to trust the US.
Yup exactly. There is absolutely no relation to dictatorial regime giving up their harshest weapons and a following overthrow and torture of the dictator. Just ask Gaddafi's asshole.
Kim Jong-un has every reason to immediately appease those appalled by his human rights atrocities. #Winning
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France and UK weren't in a position to fight a war against Germany in 1938. 1941 was estimated to be the earliest date for a reasonable chance of success, based on the rearmament that Chamberlain was pushing for.
All he has to do is look at Libya and Iraq to conclude he'd have to be suicidal to trust the US.
We've already demonstrated that our country won't honor our President's promises longer than his term. With DJT, promises don't seem to last that long. I hear we'll see his taxes if he gets the nomination.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
lolwut?
North Korea's biggest trade partners are China, India and Pakistan (mostly China). Sure, they'd like removal of a lot of the trade sanctions, but there's almost certainly little effort by China to enforce most of those trade sanctions.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
Don't forget that John Bolton is there now, too. The White House is full of dangerous, hypocritical lunatics. It's worse than under George W. Bush, and he had mighty bad advisers.
Had the meeting gone as scheduled, he would have said it was brilliant and just as Trump had planned. Adams worships the ground that Trump walks upon and has convinced himself that all democrats are demon scum. Trump is incapable of doing any wrong in Adams' eyes.
Coincidentally, remember when Dilbert was last funny? It was a fair bit before the 2016 elections. Now it's just Mallard Fillmore in an office; often forgetting the punch lines as well.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
I don't think it's amateur hour, I think the men inside the White House want a war with North Korea. And they're doing everything in their power to get one and fuck everyone else. So how's that hope and change comin' again ?
Gina was torturing under Obama.
Your life is invalid.
And she got rewarded handsomely under Trump.
Or do you think being at the head of the CIA is some kind of punishment ?
The US likely cannot get everything it wants. That's not how negotiations usually work. There will have to be compromise. Same with the Iran deal. Compromise is usually better than nothing. T seems to be of the mindset: "give me ALL or I'll throw a tantrum and insult you endlessly on Twitter."
Table-ized A.I.
Yes, it's Trump playing 36-dimensional Cosmic Brain Chess. The only problem is now my Nobel Prize bracket is all shot to hell, and those thousands of commemorative coins that Cheetolf Twitler had the Mint create are going to end up as collectors items sold on QVC.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Because he knows Trump never met a pat of butter that he couldn't spread on his ass and claim the sun was rising again?
That's not what's going on.
Kim and his advisers came to the conclusion that Trump and his advisers were looking for an occasion for a limited war - some bombing campaign - somewhere in the world. Ideally, the campaign would take place before the mid term elections. The US military was tasked to look into either bombing some nuclear facilities in NK or bombing some nuclear facilities in Iran. Kim and his advisers came to this conclusion and quickly contacted SK to prevent this from happening, because they know very well that the NK could not possibly defend their territory at all and judge that Trump is crazy enough to not care about possible consequences for South Korea.
Moon came to the same conclusion and quickly arranged this initiative together with Kim to prevent the worst from happening. Bear in mind that NK could shell Seoul, population 10 million, plus another 10 million in the area, and even if the artillery is quickly taken care of by air superiority, the death toll would be massive. At the same time Moon is under serious pressure from the US, so he had to include the US despite the fact that Trump is considered a negative factor by both parties. (Trump is considered an annoyance and hard to deal with by essentially every politician in the world, including Moon and Kim, of course.)
Here is what's going to happen: NK and SK will continue with peace talks and friendship initiatives no matter what the US does, for at least as long as Trump is in charge. Neither of them wants war, and even the smallest military action would make an escalation almost unavoidable in the current situation.
When we start looking at people like Bolton, I think this is pretty much the case. He is no amature, but while his objectives do not align all that well with most of the other staff, his imagry does. Much of the whitehouse and its backers believe that one can win conflicts with 'inferior' people simply by giving them a bloody nose and they will submit, so they believe just a little violence or threats will get them the accolades they want. Bolton and his camp, I doubt they actually believe the bloody nose thing, they instead believe in large military actions that wipe out regimes.
The comments were pretty harsh. That sort of behavior isn't tolerated, and they are letting them know that.
You need to be far more specific considering the harsh rhetoric coming from both sides. I assume you mean the US comments were harsh, since they essentially insinuated they want Kim Jong Un deposed and killed in the streets. North Korea's responses were quite tame by comparison.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
From what I've been reading, Trump is more interested in the labia plan.
I do not have a signature
Here we go again with the penis wars.
It depresses me to no end that the leaders of nations act so much like petty school children.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
> If you're touting this as a failure of President Trump's
How can it be anything else when the entire world knew NK was playing him and Trump started trying to claim a Nobel?
Because the book on Trump is that if you stroke his ego, he'll roll over and give you exactly what you want.
No, it isn't - what is the Libya Model? The Lybia model isn't surround yourself with female body guards, torture your citizens, and let your kids kill your country's citizens without restraint. Libya was hell on earth, the locals brought down the government and the US helped.
But that isn't what Bolton was referring to - Libya Model is to demand absolute, verified shutdown of nuclear development, no exceptions.
THAT is the Libyan Model any sane person would understand Bolton was talking about.
Bolton was referring to the need to build trust and verify any denuclearization efforts when he brought up Libya in a CBS interview last month. He didn’t imply, publicly at least, that the “Libya model” would include regime change in North Korea.
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Ken
There was once a time where America pulling out of a deal, trade talk, summit, etc was a deathspell. The world looked to America for everything. A very very interesting change has happened in the past 2 years.
America pulls out of the Paris Agreement. Rather than killing it off, it spurred the last 2 remaining countries to join. ... Except all the parties just copied and pasted all the bits not requiring the USA and the newly named CPTPP lives on.
America pulls out of the TPP, and agreement it lead and created. This killed the agreement. It can't be rattified without the USA.
America pulls out of its agreement with Iran, an agreement it was instrumental in creating. The world collectively shrugged with all parties continuing to abide by the agreement.
A lot of people are talking about how America is being laughed at, whereas the reality appears far worse than that.