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Trump Cancels Singapore Summit With North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un (cnbc.com)
President Donald Trump has cancelled his much anticipated meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that was scheduled to take place in Singapore on June 12, he announced moments ago. In a letter to Kim, the president said; "I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place." He added, "You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
Like the headline says.
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Production is going to be through the roof!
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He really gon dun goofed now.
This sure is the beginning of the end.
It's in trumps style of negotiation. He's always going to go for the BEST deal that he can get, and this is not at all out of the ordinary for Trump.
Back when it was first announced, Scott adams almost immediately said "expect one of them, probably trump, to walk away at least once before any actual negotiations take place".
Fun to see these types of negotiating dynamics playing out on the world stage.
All he had to do is keep his mouth shut and let South Korea do the heavy lifting... But noooooo....
is this part of it?
and then there is Kim Jong Un to worry about . . .
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Imagine what this is going to do to CPU performance.... wait.
After Trump backed out of the Iran deal, there really was no incentive for DPRK to give any real concessions. Trump showed that the US cannot be relied upon to stick to its agreements. And after what happened with Qaddafi the US showed that giving up WMD could be a fatal miscalculation. I'm not sure what our master plan with this stuff is, but we've pretty much put ourselves into a position where nobody will ever strike a deal with us ever again.
Played like a cheap violin.
All he had to do is keep his mouth shut and let South Korea do the heavy lifting... But noooooo....
Right because if there is one thing Trump is good at it's keeping his mouth shut.
It wasn't Trump, it was Pence and Pompeo who threatened North Korea with a Libyan outcome.
A distinction without a difference. Trump wants to play emperor then he gets to take responsibility for what happens on his watch too. Not just the bits he likes.
in much the same I cancel dates with hot girls I met on the street.
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BINGO! I win my Donald Trump bingo.
Pulls out of Paris. Messes up with Iran. Get's his ass handed to him by Russians in Syria. NK summit fails... that completes my line across the middle.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
This must be part of Trumps 4D chess move to win a Nobel Peace prize.
"I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place."
This part was written in a calm but stern manner.
What we get then is
"You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
This is written with how we know he writes. So I think that he indeed added this as he did not understand that the first part already said the same thing, but in a much more diplomatic wording.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I mean, like a real smart person. Smart enough to know that in a meeting with a prepared and strategic Kim, he would be so outclassed that he’d end up crying like the pussy with tiny hands and limp penis that he is... and finally everyone would see it live on TeeVee.
Like anyone believed the DPRK was sincere in their desire for a summit. If you're shocked by this you're naive. If you're touting this as a failure of President Trump's you're a political shill and haven't been paying attention of the last 20 years. Both Republicans and Democrats having been punting this football so it's outside of their court hoping the next administration will have to deal with the problem that is the DPRK.
Personally I think it's about time someone gave the DRPK the middle finger and cut them off before they inevitably cancel anyway.
Shakespeare said, "All the world's a stage!". And no regime knows better on how to manipulate that stage than the DPRK. Personally, I think President Trump is the perfect candidate for playing these kinds of games with NK. He's cutting them off before they started. Now, of course, NK already has a contingency plan in place,I'm sure, and they'll come swinging (with words).
Well, I'm going to grab my popcorn and wait for their response.
Noo, there go the Nobels! No Nobels for anybody! Nucular penis comparisons always trump Nobels.
It's typical Trump to make this announcement now.
Presently there is a whole slew of foreigners in North Korea to witness the demolition of the old and useless nuclear test site.
Trump should have waited till most of them were in safety, Kim is crazy enough to keep (some of) them hostage.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
This is yet another negotiation tactic, because NK was starting to believe they could get a lot of concessions form the U.S.- Trump here is just letting NK in no way will they be able to keep nuclear weapons.
NK will fold soon ad the talks will be back on.
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Neville Chamberlain couldn't have put it better.
Chamberlain would have gone ahead with the talks and given NK all of the concessions it was seeking...
In regards to canceling the meeting, Trump is much more like a Churchill, or Regan in 1986 Iceland. Trump was sensing NK was probing for weakness and Trump will have none of it, he is (rightfully) not willing to compromise and allow NK to keep nuclear weapons. Would you prefer NK is allowed to maintain a nuclear weapon stockpile? I assure you South Korea is not on board with your Nuclear Pain Train.
I guess that's why Trump is president and you can't even figure out the Slashdot login process.
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Say what you will about Trump. He laundered money for the Russian mob. He pays for sex with adult film stars. He pays for abortions. He's not really a billionaire. He's racist. He likes his steak well done with ketchup. He only eats fast food because otherwise he'd never have a meal that hadn't been spit in.
But he's never kidnapped a director to from a foreign country to force them to make a monster movie.
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Not sure why we're even bringing a topic like that here. That's the stuff you can read on any news site. I'm fairly sure we come here for the stuff we can't find everywhere else. Just saying.
So what about all those challenge coins he had printed up for the meeting? Taxpayers want to know!
IIRC North Korea does have a lot of rare earth element deposits inside it's territory that could be used in consumer electronics. But as long as there is no peace and sanctions remain in place those deposits will never be tapped.
And let's not forget the potential damage to major consumer electronics manufacturers and software/video game industries if war breaks out in the region and damages facilities in South Korea or Japan (even if neither were attacked directly nuclear fallout could be a huge disaster if president pinhead punches his big red button).
your most recent statement
I read the article in the link and hadn't found mention of what statement the President is referring to. Was this in another news article, and could someone please post a link?
Had the meeting gone as scheduled, he would have said it was brilliant and just as Trump had planned. Adams worships the ground that Trump walks upon and has convinced himself that all democrats are demon scum. Trump is incapable of doing any wrong in Adams' eyes.
Coincidentally, remember when Dilbert was last funny? It was a fair bit before the 2016 elections. Now it's just Mallard Fillmore in an office; often forgetting the punch lines as well.
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Like the headline says.
It's not a headline. Try one of these words:
tag line,
a catchphrase or slogan, especially as used in advertising, or the punchline of a joke.
motto,
a short sentence or phrase chosen as encapsulating the beliefs or ideals guiding an individual, family, or institution.
slogan,
a short and striking or memorable phrase used in advertising.
subtitle,
a subordinate title of a published work or article giving additional information about its content.
The US likely cannot get everything it wants. That's not how negotiations usually work. There will have to be compromise. Same with the Iran deal. Compromise is usually better than nothing. T seems to be of the mindset: "give me ALL or I'll throw a tantrum and insult you endlessly on Twitter."
Table-ized A.I.
Invent an enemy. Distract from improprieties at home. Win the people.
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Clown!
I think I've finally figured out why we're getting more and more stories like this on Slashdot. Politicizing the site is a sure way to generate more and more traffic as even long-time members get sucked into pointless, lengthy political debates. The process has been aided and abetted by commenters who seem to have come out of nowhere with multiple accounts and a willingness to abuse the "Anonymous Coward" feature.
This kind of story is money in the bank, because it is certain to foster pointless debate over a purely political issue. One side can claim Trump is standing up to Kim. The other will say Kim has trolled Trump beautifully and left him looking like the poor sucker who shows up at somebody's house for a party held the previous week.
In either case, those of us who valued Slashdot for its coverage of mostly tech-related stuff are increasingly being alienated.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
And a Trump-lover.
Trump was trolling him all along. Knew it would never happen...
Not surprising news either.
This belongs on generalnewsdot or politicsdot not slashdot.
Anyone who has read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" will realize T does the exact opposite in negotiations. Either that book is obsolete, or we will lose bigly.
This would be an interesting experiment in diplomacy if it were happening in a lab or on somebody else's planet. Unfortunately, we are the guinea pigs here.
Table-ized A.I.
winning
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
"As I said all along, the Highest, Most Exalted, Supreme Leader of North Korea, is a failure. I continue to amaze myself with my Winning!
The North Koreans will look upon my giant nuclear button and they will give up their weapons in a heartbeat. You heard me say that and anyone who says otherwise is Fake News!
We are getting things done every day that Obama never could. People tell me that all the time. It's true because I am the greatest, everyone knows that.
Soon Iran will cave beneath the weight of my magnificent hairdo and stentorian voice. The Mullahs can't put up with that, Believe me!
Make America Stupid Again!"
I feel like I'm missing context here... and all I can find out about it with a google search is news, news, and more news on this statement by Trump... but absolutely nothing on what led up to it.
I might be inclined to take the lack of information about what led to this as an indication that Trump is overreacting, but I would prefer to reserve judgement until I actually know what the heck is really going on. Last I heard, NK was claiming to get ready to dismantle its nuclear program and begin talks of reunification with SK.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
there it goes :-/ soooo sad ;-) I hope the Koreas make peace anyway!
Here we go again with the penis wars.
It depresses me to no end that the leaders of nations act so much like petty school children.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
This entire topic is the very definition of flamebait, especially on this site.
Also, not news for nerds.
This fake country may have a short history, but it's a history full of making promises it has no intention of keeping. Un agreed to the idea of a summit in the first place only because his entire nuclear test mountain collapsed on top of his bomb research team.
The only peaceful way to fix this is to blockade North Korea until mass starvation causes it to collapse. Then like East Germany before it, it can quietly accept reunification.
Trump didnt cancel shit.
The NK's cancelled the meeting and Trump is going to say it was him who cancelled to save face.
Let's be honest here, the NKs were never going to stop producing nukes. This is all political posturing anyway.
Someone explained to him he wouldn't be the center of attention.
Your sig here!
""You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used.""
Yes, they will be used. A fitting end to humanity. Good riddance.
Coincidentally, remember when Dilbert was last funny? It was a fair bit before the 2016 elections.
I pegged Adams as a total phony back in the 90s when I saw a dilbert-branded HR training kit in use at my megacorp employer of the time. It was kind of like he was an arms dealer selling to both sides of a conflict - completely unprincipled pursuit of money.
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that Big Giant Orange Head meant for all this to happen. He knew it was going to happen, all along really!
That's why BGOH:
- praised up Kim Jong Un;
- said he (BGOH) was going to "fix" the North Korean stalemate, and denigrated all prior Presidents for not doing so;
- threatened N.K. with the "biggest nuclear button";
- started making plans for a summit;
- put a lot of Presidential credibility and political capital at stake here, when there was zero chance (within statistical probability) of the U.S. getting what it wants.
Yes, BGOH is quite the negotiator. He cancels deals that work and brings checkers to a chess board, in foreign affairs.
So much Winning!
Well at least you qualified it with "*he* can get".
pulling out of a deal right when you're making a new one is not a good way to negotiate. Doesn't help that Kim got what he wanted, e.g. we've acknowledged him as the legitimate ruler of North Korea.
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There was once a time where America pulling out of a deal, trade talk, summit, etc was a deathspell. The world looked to America for everything. A very very interesting change has happened in the past 2 years.
America pulls out of the Paris Agreement. Rather than killing it off, it spurred the last 2 remaining countries to join. ... Except all the parties just copied and pasted all the bits not requiring the USA and the newly named CPTPP lives on.
America pulls out of the TPP, and agreement it lead and created. This killed the agreement. It can't be rattified without the USA.
America pulls out of its agreement with Iran, an agreement it was instrumental in creating. The world collectively shrugged with all parties continuing to abide by the agreement.
A lot of people are talking about how America is being laughed at, whereas the reality appears far worse than that.
President Trump, the first POTUS to get personally played by NK. History matters. Stay in school kids!
POTUS badly mishandled DPRK policy. USA weaker as result. 3 changes made summit possible:
1) President Moon elected President ROK, reaching out to DPRK;
2) KJU consolidated political and military power;
3) Max pressure by UN/Trump
Handed a chance to put US-DPRK relations on a better trajectory -- headed in direction of peace and denuclearization -- Trump misinterpreted how we got here. He attributed DPRK willingness to talk to his Max Pressure campaign alone -- ignoring the two more important factors.
Not understanding WHY diplomacy was an option, no surprise Trump badly mishandled opportunity he was gifted. He continued to threaten the DPRK -- Libya Model references -- even during immediate run-up to the summit.
Bolton knew (even if Trump did not) what that meant.
When DPRK (predictably) objected to the Libya threats by Bolton and then by @VP , the reaction was actually quite muted -- handed down by two foreign ministry officials Kim Kye Gwan and Choe Son Hui. They basically said, "don't bully us into talks." This was a mild response.
But Trump is incredibly thin-skinned, and as we witnessed at the Olympics, @VP Pence is even more diplomatically handicapped, incapable even of showing normal courtesy to our South Korean allies, much less to the leader of DPRK.
Had Trump and his team understood DPRK, they would have cleverly maneuvered the North into talks, making Pyongyang believe that the denuclearization talks were THEIR idea. Instead, Trump insisted (again predictably) on hogging all the "credit" for something not yet accomplished.
Mike Mansfield got the Civil Rights Act passed by putting his ego aside (as he always did) and focusing on the prize for the NATION. Trump is incapable of putting national interest above Trump's interest. In this .... he bears remarkable resemblance to Kim Jong Un.
Where does this leave us? Trump's early morning letter is a classic example of his incompetence - barely coherent, full of internal contradictions, at once conciliatory and deeply provocative, threatening, in essence, a nuke strike on DPRK. The letter should NEVER have been sent.
It should have been dictated by Trump in his early morning rage and then put in a drawer by Kelly until our intemperate, mercurial, unhinged President calmed down. Instead, the White House sent the letter -- a letter that raises as many questions as it answers.
Where does that leave us? DPRK has no doubt by now sized up our President, and found him to be a completely unreliable negotiating partner (e.g. Iran withdrawal, TPP withdrawal, Paris Accord withdrawal, threats one day, concessions the next). They will not easily re-engage.
Why will DPRK stand aloof? They have already pocketed a significant gift - by having Trump praise KJU as an honorable man and by having Pompeo meet twice with the leader of DPRK. (btw, watching Pompeo read the letter was painful...such bad English).
Moreover, DPRK has secured its flanks -- improved relations with China and ROK, leaving USA isolated in its attempt to assemble "maximum pressure" on DPRK going forward. DPRK makes USA appear to be the party walking away from diplomacy. A huge diplomatic defeat for USA.
The entire fiasco leaves USA marginalized -- demonstrably incompetent in handling the fundamentals of diplomacy. No message discipline. No roadmap. A State Department team marginalized, their expertise squandered. A petulant White House appears thin-skinned and petty.
At this point, best course of action for USA would be to go quiet on this issue for several months, and hope that they can re-boot the diplomatic overture. But since when has Trump shown an ability to keep quiet about anything? He will likely sulk, and play the blame game.
A comment on Trump's letter: Read it. Then read it out loud. Does it not sound like a prom date refusal letter, sent by the jilted party to his date? It is immature. Childish. Vaguely pathetic. Solipsistic.
I am in Seoul this week, meeting with our all
Trump supporters yesterday: Trump’s amazing! No other president could have pulled off a summit with Kim Jong Un.
Trump supporters today: Trump’s amazing! No other president could have cancelled a summit with Kim Jong Un
Since these chicken hawks do nothing but get other people's children killed I made sure both of my boys renewed their passports shortly after Trump was elected. I'll not have them put in harm's way due to the foolish missteps and posturing of those in "leadership" positions.
Or was that a load of hooey to begin with?
Your El Stupido President will have his ass cut by the Chinese Army if he decides to invade North Korea. They did it before.
Russia will do some high tech back up of China. Think of GPS stopping to work GLOBALLY. Plus a nice meltdown of the core internet.
Both Russia and China won't tolerate a further decimation of their allies.
NK exists solely because the Chinese and Russians propped them up. In a deadly war with millions killed.
The latest and greatest of Russian technology and a million of Chinese soldiers enabled NK.
Kimmy will live of die at the hands of Beijing and Moscow. They do not want any change.
Trump is burning Karma on a worldwide basis, big time.
What does he want ? Emulate Hillary and attack more innocent nations, just as she and Bush did ?
If so, Trump will get the Hillary Treatment !
Trump sent Pompeo with a Mafia-Style threat to Kim: "if you do not comply with our demands, things like Gadaffi happened will happen to you".
Then an important figure from Kim's circle called Pompeo what he is: an idiot. A mafia enforcer.
Trump, the idiot he is, took offense of calling out his mafia thug.
How would YOU react to an envoy threatening you with miserable death ? Actually Kim should have Pompeo shot on the spot. He is way too civilized to you American Mafia thugs.
And it seems like just weeks ago there were blind idiots on here preaching how Trump had solved the NK problem here on slashdot.... while those of us who lived through the last time NK pulled this shit pointed out "don't believe it till it happens."
I would like to think that this will give those idiots a reason to reflect on their blind, stupid, down-on-their-knees, love for all things old grab-thee-by-the-pussy Trump does... but i doubt it will; stupid can't be cured that easily, and apparently stupid never learns from the past.
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No Nobel Prize for him I guess....
Those Barbaric Farmers would rather starve and hold back their own people by focusing on missiles and nukes. NK and Iran copied China tech, China copied Russia, Russia copied the USA. How dare these once subsistance farmers, now ungrateful barbaric technology thieves, try to leverage this stolen tech by pointing a gun at Uncle Sam, and threaten polluting the world. So shameful, where do they get their pride?
At this point North Korea should just nuke the US because they're never going to be allowed to exist no matter what deal they sign.
"Your notable efforts to place the Great Leader in the Pantheon will be rewarded. Patriots like yourself are a divine, jewel-like, precious gift. Simply place your application for a Presidential Pardon in the lottery barrel, and Good Luck!"
Yeah, so lame.
and Maher is the very model of modern corporate Democrat. He's completely right wing on all economic issues and leans a little left on social issues. He is not in any sense of the words "left wing". He's another nasty outgrowth of the shift to the right started by Bill Clinton in the 90s.
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Trump was doing a victory lap like a kid at a junior high track meet. He had no intention of pulling out, he was having a grand old time. Kim pulled out hen he realized he could make Trump look silly by doing so. He denied Trump his Nobel Peace Prize. Also, Kim already got what he really wanted: America acknowledges him as the legitimate ruler of North Korea. As soon as we agreed to talks we did that. That's why nobody was dumb enough to agree to them... until Trump.
Even then we might have salvaged _something_ from this whole mess if Trump hadn't backed out of the Iran deal and started talking about the "Libya Model". We literally threatened to kill a guy we're trying to have peace talks with.
Scott Adam's off his rocker. I think he went nuts when he lost his voice for a few years. I can only imagine what not being able to talk for that long does to you. There is nothing intelligent going on here. Trying to read intelligence in this administration is like trying to see the feature in pig entrails. You might think you see something but you're just fooling yourself.
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...that Trump isn't getting the Nobel Peace Prize? I mean, if Obama could get it while bombing the f&%k out of people with his expanded military drone program, why couldn't Trump still get it for his diplomatic efforts to promote harmony between normal people and white nationalists in Charlottesville?
Cause this time he didn't just manage to sound like his usual Creutzfeldt-Jakob incoherent self.
He also managed to sound like a teen or a twelve-year-old tweeting "You don't break up with me! I'm breaking up with YOU!" at a porn star he's been having an imaginary Twitter romance with.
And at the same time, begging to be taken "back".
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But the most hilarious part is when the White House gift shop web site crashed under the weight of the global schadenfreude.
Thanks to millions of people going there to see the commemorative "challenge" coin being discounted after the cancellation of the summit.
There goes that Nobel peace prize all those Republican brown nosers tried to sign him up for, I guess.
That's IF they've managed to spell Norway correctly this time.
That W... very much like an M... all them straight lines...
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So then in 3 years
It will take less than three months, you don't understand this at all do you?
And you knew you were wrong, you posted AC specifically so no-one could do what you claim you plan to do... come to think of it your plan was idiotic because you could never say it was you who made the claim. You obviously don't even believe it yourself.
Sad.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
rance and UK weren't in a position to fight a war against Germany in 1938
Another AC nugget of wisdom... ignoring Germany wasn't in a position to attack them either at that time. It would have been a waste of resources.
Meanwhile Chamberlain gave up all of Czechoslovakia, which has not fully recovered to this day (as I have seen in person). I guess it was a great strategy to fuck over an entire country? Why don't you try standing the the middle of Prague and say that out loud, I'm sure the police will eventually be able to recover some parts of you from the river.
Has they not given that country up, Germany would have had to fight for it, having no resources (military or natural) to attack Britain with - having ownership of Prague enabled Germany to stay in the war much longer because they simply had more fuel and raw materials on tap. It was a disaster from start to finish.
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Kim Jong Un can now tell his people Trump is praying to him.
i could have never seen ending this summit very well, it would have been a massive failure for Trump and to cancel it was the best possible option for him.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
I was actually a tiny bit hopeful as I read the summary of this article - the text of Mr. Trump's letter to NK:
". In a letter to Kim, the president said; "I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place."
I was thinking wow - has Mr. Trump actually grown up a little? Deigned to start acting presidential? Sigh. No. Was not to be:
"He added, "You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
And then he end on a dick move. Way to go Sir. You do us proud! .
I should have known better than to get my hopes up.
Go to President Xi.
Surrender. Surrender to China for the Korean War. Agree to openly apologize for interfering in Asian affairs. Agree to demilitarize all of the Korean peninsula, leaving no American military behind. Agree to fund resettlement of North Koreans who enter China after DPRK ends.
Agree to a full pardon of Kim Jong-un. Kim is granted a non transferable governorship for life of Pyongyang. With a limited autonomy from Korea, but no border checkpoints or other constraints, and full accountability to Korean law for the region.
In exchange for the surrender, PRC will line up a few million troops on DPRK's northern border and deliver the terms to Kim Jong-un.
DPRK will have no choice but to accept. They have no defenses to the north. If they move their troops north, they'll be open to attack from the south.
DPRK is abolished. The border between north and south, abolished. Free movement. The residents of the north free to go south. Those in the south, free to go north.
The plan would work, but no American would ever be willing to ask China for help. So we'll get nuclear war first. Stupid Americans.
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