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Trump Cancels Singapore Summit With North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un (cnbc.com)
President Donald Trump has cancelled his much anticipated meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that was scheduled to take place in Singapore on June 12, he announced moments ago. In a letter to Kim, the president said; "I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place." He added, "You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
It's in trumps style of negotiation. He's always going to go for the BEST deal that he can get, and this is not at all out of the ordinary for Trump.
Back when it was first announced, Scott adams almost immediately said "expect one of them, probably trump, to walk away at least once before any actual negotiations take place".
Fun to see these types of negotiating dynamics playing out on the world stage.
All he had to do is keep his mouth shut and let South Korea do the heavy lifting... But noooooo....
and then there is Kim Jong Un to worry about . . .
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
"...and stuff that matters"
When it is important as calling out a Russian Plant, we are going to report on it.
Have a nice day, son.
nerds care when a madman has an icbm in range of their house
the korean is also kind of screwy
I'm tired of all this winning.
Played like a cheap violin.
All he had to do is keep his mouth shut and let South Korea do the heavy lifting... But noooooo....
Right because if there is one thing Trump is good at it's keeping his mouth shut.
It wasn't Trump, it was Pence and Pompeo who threatened North Korea with a Libyan outcome.
A distinction without a difference. Trump wants to play emperor then he gets to take responsibility for what happens on his watch too. Not just the bits he likes.
in much the same I cancel dates with hot girls I met on the street.
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Pulls out of Paris. Messes up with Iran. Get's his ass handed to him by Russians in Syria. NK summit fails... that completes my line across the middle.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
If the threat of imminent death due to nuclear war doesn't trigger your "things I care about" alarm, then you are a special kind of nerd. Maybe rephrasing of the headline would help:
"Trump Cancels Singapore Summit With North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un. Major ISPs In The USA At Risk Due To Nuclear Bombardment."
Does that help?
Yes.
Next question?
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This must be part of Trumps 4D chess move to win a Nobel Peace prize.
"News for nerds" is the only "stuff that matters."
"I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place."
This part was written in a calm but stern manner.
What we get then is
"You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
This is written with how we know he writes. So I think that he indeed added this as he did not understand that the first part already said the same thing, but in a much more diplomatic wording.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
It's typical Trump to make this announcement now.
Presently there is a whole slew of foreigners in North Korea to witness the demolition of the old and useless nuclear test site.
Trump should have waited till most of them were in safety, Kim is crazy enough to keep (some of) them hostage.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Yes it is, almost verbatim.
The comments were pretty harsh.
Compared to the US saying that we were going to use "the Libya model"?
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
This is yet another negotiation tactic, because NK was starting to believe they could get a lot of concessions form the U.S.- Trump here is just letting NK in no way will they be able to keep nuclear weapons.
NK will fold soon ad the talks will be back on.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Yes, they way you get the best deal is to be willing to walk away from the deal if it isn't right.
Unfortunately, too many "experts" view geo-political negotiations like the famous South Park Underpants Gnomes:
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Ken
Which one?
there are multiple things which are referred to as "the Libya model".
Say what you will about Trump. He laundered money for the Russian mob. He pays for sex with adult film stars. He pays for abortions. He's not really a billionaire. He's racist. He likes his steak well done with ketchup. He only eats fast food because otherwise he'd never have a meal that hadn't been spit in.
But he's never kidnapped a director to from a foreign country to force them to make a monster movie.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Or, if you ever read even a summary of Trump's book The Art of the Deal, you'd know this is negotiations 101 - you have to be willing to walk away if the deal isn't right, in order to get the best outcome.
Ken
Not sure why we're even bringing a topic like that here. That's the stuff you can read on any news site. I'm fairly sure we come here for the stuff we can't find everywhere else. Just saying.
You realize that statement is speculative, right? Cite your conclusive sources.
If your criteria for "technology news" is it possibly impacts someone that uses technology, then every store on every page of the local newspaper is a candidate for Slashdot... For instance, the 30 year-old "man-child" that refuses to move out of his parent's house while he fights to regain custody of HIS son.
Ken
Was the KJU summit going to strip the US of it's ability to strike domestic targets?
As a reminder, it was the previous administration, who got his Nobel Peace Prize in advance of doing anything of any substance, because the members of the committee "just knew he'd do good things once in office, so why wait?", that used drone strikes to target and kill American citizens without benefit of trial.
Ken
Pence was guilty of "saber rattling", the North Korean was guilty of "being insulting" - apples and oranges.
Ken
Well, considering that nuclear weapon detonations are usually accompanied by electromagnetic pulses, it could drastically impact your CPU and GPU performance.
IIRC North Korea does have a lot of rare earth element deposits inside it's territory that could be used in consumer electronics. But as long as there is no peace and sanctions remain in place those deposits will never be tapped.
And let's not forget the potential damage to major consumer electronics manufacturers and software/video game industries if war breaks out in the region and damages facilities in South Korea or Japan (even if neither were attacked directly nuclear fallout could be a huge disaster if president pinhead punches his big red button).
Yes, including one where Gadaffi was overthrown and eventually murdered. Making threats (or just using such ridiculously clumsy language during such a critical phase of diplomacy) is pathetic. It's amateur hour in the White House apparently.
The US never agreed to the Iran deal. And Iran never signed the deal anyway, so...
What's that in the top left corner then?
And voting for UN security council resolution 2231 was a strange way of showing that you never agreed with the deal. You can complain about the kindergarten you call congress refusing to support anything and everything Obama did all you like, at the UN, we expect you to send qualified adults that can make decisions befitting their position within your administration.
He's talking about the seismic activity at their nuclear test site suggestive of a collapse of the site. But there's a massive difference between that and "f'ed their nuclear program". Losing a test site is not the same thing as losing your nuclear programme.
Give a boy a gun and you arm him for a day. Teach him how to make a gun, and the whole metaphor breaks down.
Which one?
there are multiple things which are referred to as "the Libya model".
The model where a regime voluntarily surrenders it's nuclear weapons program and other WMDs and 5 years later we sponsor a coup where its leader winds up dead. Un is a ruthless dictator, but he is not "crazy". He's a rational actor. All he has to do is look at Libya and Iraq to conclude he'd have to be suicidal to trust the US.
Yup exactly. There is absolutely no relation to dictatorial regime giving up their harshest weapons and a following overthrow and torture of the dictator. Just ask Gaddafi's asshole.
Kim Jong-un has every reason to immediately appease those appalled by his human rights atrocities. #Winning
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A signature not on the signature page? It's on the front cover. The John Kerry State Department confirmed that Iran never signed the deal, two months after the meeting.
Perhaps you're not aware of US politics and our Constitution (which trumps UN law, by the way, at least in the US) which requires any foreign treaty of agreement must be submitted to and approved by the Senate to be legal. Anything else is simply the statement/position of a singular man, with no force of law behind it.
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"Pride" is the worst of the seven deadly sins. And based on the inappropriate responses both by this administration, and that of N.Korea, is exemplary as to why.
Life is not for the lazy.
DACA recipients? You mean illegal aliens who were shielded by executive action of the prior administration, with no legal basis for remaining in the US? I wonder what most countries do with people who are present illegally...
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France and UK weren't in a position to fight a war against Germany in 1938. 1941 was estimated to be the earliest date for a reasonable chance of success, based on the rearmament that Chamberlain was pushing for.
All he has to do is look at Libya and Iraq to conclude he'd have to be suicidal to trust the US.
We've already demonstrated that our country won't honor our President's promises longer than his term. With DJT, promises don't seem to last that long. I hear we'll see his taxes if he gets the nomination.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Did you ever figure out which way time went?
I just hope that guy who claims to be from the future is just a hoax.
Because he says 2019 there will be two nuclear strikes, NC will hit Hawaii and US will hit back.
Then in 2020 there would be WWIII which will last for 3 years.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Had the meeting gone as scheduled, he would have said it was brilliant and just as Trump had planned. Adams worships the ground that Trump walks upon and has convinced himself that all democrats are demon scum. Trump is incapable of doing any wrong in Adams' eyes.
Coincidentally, remember when Dilbert was last funny? It was a fair bit before the 2016 elections. Now it's just Mallard Fillmore in an office; often forgetting the punch lines as well.
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I don't think it's amateur hour, I think the men inside the White House want a war with North Korea. And they're doing everything in their power to get one and fuck everyone else. So how's that hope and change comin' again ?
Gina was torturing under Obama.
Your life is invalid.
And she got rewarded handsomely under Trump.
Or do you think being at the head of the CIA is some kind of punishment ?
The US likely cannot get everything it wants. That's not how negotiations usually work. There will have to be compromise. Same with the Iran deal. Compromise is usually better than nothing. T seems to be of the mindset: "give me ALL or I'll throw a tantrum and insult you endlessly on Twitter."
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Yes, it's Trump playing 36-dimensional Cosmic Brain Chess. The only problem is now my Nobel Prize bracket is all shot to hell, and those thousands of commemorative coins that Cheetolf Twitler had the Mint create are going to end up as collectors items sold on QVC.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I think I've finally figured out why we're getting more and more stories like this on Slashdot. Politicizing the site is a sure way to generate more and more traffic as even long-time members get sucked into pointless, lengthy political debates. The process has been aided and abetted by commenters who seem to have come out of nowhere with multiple accounts and a willingness to abuse the "Anonymous Coward" feature.
This kind of story is money in the bank, because it is certain to foster pointless debate over a purely political issue. One side can claim Trump is standing up to Kim. The other will say Kim has trolled Trump beautifully and left him looking like the poor sucker who shows up at somebody's house for a party held the previous week.
In either case, those of us who valued Slashdot for its coverage of mostly tech-related stuff are increasingly being alienated.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
The President is not a King and has no business making promises that have no force of law behind them. Anyone negotiating with a President knows full well that a unilateral decision made by one can just as easily be unmade by the next.
DACA recipients? You mean illegal aliens who were shielded by executive action of the prior administration, with no legal basis for remaining in the US?
Yes, exactly those people. The people who were brought involuntarily into the country as children who were shielded from inhumane deportation to a country they never knew by the prior administration.
I wonder what most countries do with people who are present illegally...
Most countries do not deport people who have been in the country since childhood to countries they've never known.
When we start looking at people like Bolton, I think this is pretty much the case. He is no amature, but while his objectives do not align all that well with most of the other staff, his imagry does. Much of the whitehouse and its backers believe that one can win conflicts with 'inferior' people simply by giving them a bloody nose and they will submit, so they believe just a little violence or threats will get them the accolades they want. Bolton and his camp, I doubt they actually believe the bloody nose thing, they instead believe in large military actions that wipe out regimes.
No need, people voted for Trump after the 8 years of Executive overreach that was the Obama administration and the guarantee of much worse under a Clinton administration.
In other words, THAT'S how you got Trump.
The comments were pretty harsh. That sort of behavior isn't tolerated, and they are letting them know that.
You need to be far more specific considering the harsh rhetoric coming from both sides. I assume you mean the US comments were harsh, since they essentially insinuated they want Kim Jong Un deposed and killed in the streets. North Korea's responses were quite tame by comparison.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
His family name is Kim. Not that that matters much. Otherwise, I agree.
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The "Libya Model" you're not understanding is what that Libya gave up their nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs - shipped the materials outside of the country or destroyed under observation within - and the US lifted sanctions after.
The uprising was not a result of that, which is what people are confusing.
I wonder if having nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons could have helped Gaddafi stay in power. They seem to have at least assisted al-Assad.
And what I believe you are not understanding is that it doesn't matter if the uprising was related to Gaddafi giving up his weapons. It only matters if Kim Jong Un believes it did. Bringing up the Libya model in a diplomatic context is the exact same thing as bringing up Gaddafi being sodomized by a bayonet. He might as well have linked to a video of it on Twitter.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
on first name terms with Ms. Haspel, eh? Is she your dominatrix AC?
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I just hope that guy who claims to be from the future is just a hoax.
Because he says 2019 there will be two nuclear strikes, NC will hit Hawaii and US will hit back.
Then in 2020 there would be WWIII which will last for 3 years.
Short background on Korea vs Corea (aka Chosun empire).
John Ross, was a Scottish Protestant missionary to Northeast China who established Dongguan Church in Shenyang. He is also known for translating the first Korean Bible and wrote the famous first book on the History of Corea (where he westernized the Hangul spelling as "COREA")... Nobody knows when the common westernized spelling actually changed to Korea, but some suspect that the Japanese had some influence on that during the Treaty of Shimonoseki on the spelling (because K is after J)...
Anyone who has read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" will realize T does the exact opposite in negotiations. Either that book is obsolete, or we will lose bigly.
This would be an interesting experiment in diplomacy if it were happening in a lab or on somebody else's planet. Unfortunately, we are the guinea pigs here.
Table-ized A.I.
winning
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In the US, per law, there is either a treaty or not. An agreement has no binding at all on the nation. What is done by a singular person with a "pen and a phone" can quickly and easily be undone by a later person with a "phone and a pen".
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The autographs were made on September 2, 2015. The Obama State Department confirmed it was not signed on November 25, 2015. About 10 weeks after the first event, which was "claimed" as a signing.
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Or, if you ever read even a summary of Trump's book The Art of the Deal, you'd know this is negotiations 101 - you have to be willing to walk away if the deal isn't right, in order to get the best outcome.
You do realize that Trump did not write "The Art of the Deal". He put his name on it, but it was written by Tony Schwartz.
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I feel like I'm missing context here... and all I can find out about it with a google search is news, news, and more news on this statement by Trump... but absolutely nothing on what led up to it.
I might be inclined to take the lack of information about what led to this as an indication that Trump is overreacting, but I would prefer to reserve judgement until I actually know what the heck is really going on. Last I heard, NK was claiming to get ready to dismantle its nuclear program and begin talks of reunification with SK.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
So that's a no?
From what I've been reading, Trump is more interested in the labia plan.
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there it goes :-/ soooo sad ;-) I hope the Koreas make peace anyway!
Here we go again with the penis wars.
It depresses me to no end that the leaders of nations act so much like petty school children.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
If I could edit that last one, it would say "... Trump is more interested in labia models."
I do not have a signature
The people who were brought involuntarily into the country as children who were shielded from inhumane deportation to a country they never knew by the prior administration.
I keep hearing from democrats about how the US is an oppressive shithole run by a madman. Yet in the same breath they'll complain that deporting illegal immigrants is somehow "inhumane". Seems to me like you're doing them a favour, no? Free airfare out of an oppressive shithole seems pretty humane to me.
Can you guys at least try to be consistent?
> If you're touting this as a failure of President Trump's
How can it be anything else when the entire world knew NK was playing him and Trump started trying to claim a Nobel?
And September of 2017 isn't "a couple years ago" either, so it reeks of bad info.
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Yes, it's Trump playing 36-dimensional Cosmic Brain Chess. The only problem is now my Nobel Prize bracket is all shot to hell, and those thousands of commemorative coins that Cheetolf Twitler had the Mint create are going to end up as collectors items sold on QVC.
I've heard they're being offered as a Deal of the Day for $19.95 at the White House gift shop.
I guess the faithful were eager to get them up because the site has been offline for the past 1/2 hour
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
This fake country may have a short history, but it's a history full of making promises it has no intention of keeping. Un agreed to the idea of a summit in the first place only because his entire nuclear test mountain collapsed on top of his bomb research team.
The only peaceful way to fix this is to blockade North Korea until mass starvation causes it to collapse. Then like East Germany before it, it can quietly accept reunification.
Exactly. Chamberlain knew that Hitler couldn't be trusted and there would be war, he knew the UK needed time to build up their defenses, and he knew that he'd pay a political price for delaying the confrontation. But he did it anyway because it was the right thing to do at the time.
This isn't really a parallel to the NK situation, though. For one thing, war isn't inevitable. For another, SK's defenses need no build up. For another, there's no way Trump is going to pay a political price for anything - unlike Chamberlain, he has a cult of personality that is more devoted to him than to any principle.
I was thinking Trump was like a blind squirrel, and that this time he found an acorn. Maybe North and South Korea don't need Cadet Bone Spurs to help each other out. And with a direct route to Peking from Soul through Pyongyang, elementary economics could easily be applied here.
Call it what you want but it seems to work. Koreans destroying testing facilities, cancelling missile launches, RELEASING NUMEROUS PRISONERS. It's already infinitely more success than any previous president so I'm nothing but impressed so far.
I believe the Big Stick policy was deemed obsolete several decades ago. It's amazing to people in charge are basically not accomplishing their duties because they ignored middle school history class.
Hour?
Someone explained to him he wouldn't be the center of attention.
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Or, get this, we got Trump because the Democrats were so busy with infighting that left the left divided and unable to recover any semblance of unity after the Primaries. Maybe someday they will stop pushing Clinton and we'll have a shot at the presidency again.
This. Another mistake that helped prevent Trump from collecting his free nobel prize was "altering the deal" with Iran. I called it all the day before yesterday:
https://slashdot.org/comments....
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I believe one problem with this is that South Korea is somewhat dependent on the US, and if SK sidesteps US sanctions against NK it would adversely affect them much more than any gains from working with NK... economically, at least.
Coincidentally, remember when Dilbert was last funny? It was a fair bit before the 2016 elections.
I pegged Adams as a total phony back in the 90s when I saw a dilbert-branded HR training kit in use at my megacorp employer of the time. It was kind of like he was an arms dealer selling to both sides of a conflict - completely unprincipled pursuit of money.
Not liking something that is happening in your own country does not mean you think other countries would automatically be better.
Oh wow. You think they destroyed their test facility because of Trump.
Waiter! I'll have 2 of whatever he's having! What do you mean it's not safe to consume that much?
Well at least you qualified it with "*he* can get".
pulling out of a deal right when you're making a new one is not a good way to negotiate. Doesn't help that Kim got what he wanted, e.g. we've acknowledged him as the legitimate ruler of North Korea.
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There was once a time where America pulling out of a deal, trade talk, summit, etc was a deathspell. The world looked to America for everything. A very very interesting change has happened in the past 2 years.
America pulls out of the Paris Agreement. Rather than killing it off, it spurred the last 2 remaining countries to join. ... Except all the parties just copied and pasted all the bits not requiring the USA and the newly named CPTPP lives on.
America pulls out of the TPP, and agreement it lead and created. This killed the agreement. It can't be rattified without the USA.
America pulls out of its agreement with Iran, an agreement it was instrumental in creating. The world collectively shrugged with all parties continuing to abide by the agreement.
A lot of people are talking about how America is being laughed at, whereas the reality appears far worse than that.
That's normal. Ask Poland what happened to the missile defense programs we promised them and started under Bush. (I'll give you the answer: Obama canceled the project to be nice to the Russians.)
Don't trust the president if what he says isn't passed into law or treaty by congress.
The people who were brought involuntarily into the country as children who were shielded from inhumane deportation to a country they never knew by the prior administration.
It doesn't stop here. This is just the old "think of the children" tactic.
As soon as we agree to keep the kids but send the parents back, we hear about how we can't break up families.
It'd be a more honest discussion if the democrats where not so against the wall to at least keep out new illegals (or to at least slow down the migration.) Instead they want to do a bunch of half ass measures that the next president can easily undo. Sorry, but we aren't making the same mistake that Obama did.
The Washington Post (a unified opponent of Trump) and South Korea were just calling for Trump to receive the Nobel Prize ... and you're calling it amateur hour?
LOL you just drank 2 gallons of cum.
Ah, so it's one of those "my country is the worst country except for all the other countries!" kind of arguments.
In that case, I don't even know what to say about people who speak that way. Seems like they're just overly emotional drama queens.
And it seems like just weeks ago there were blind idiots on here preaching how Trump had solved the NK problem here on slashdot.... while those of us who lived through the last time NK pulled this shit pointed out "don't believe it till it happens."
I would like to think that this will give those idiots a reason to reflect on their blind, stupid, down-on-their-knees, love for all things old grab-thee-by-the-pussy Trump does... but i doubt it will; stupid can't be cured that easily, and apparently stupid never learns from the past.
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I think this is not true. My reason for thinking so is that I don't see any on sale on eBay. If these coins were for sale at the WH gift shop, someone would be buying a bunch and putting them up on eBay, striking while the iron is hot.
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Okay... thanks... it's not remotely surprising, but it's good to have the context.
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Oh poor A/C NK has played Cadet Bone Spurs, and now You; like a banjo.
Yeah, it is mostly a joke in foreign policy circles. I depends so heavily on racism that only certain little clusters still believe it.
Anyone negotiating with a President knows full well that a unilateral decision made by one can just as easily be unmade by the next.
And that's why Trump should be president for life - just something to think about, folks.
!!! i dont even know what to say, that was fucking hilarious
The comments were pretty harsh.
Compared to the US saying that we were going to use "the Libya model"?
I kept hearing this but I'm not sure the people using really understood what this meant. The Libya model was one where the country's leader voluntarily dismantles his nuclear capability (which then resulted in his overthrow and death). To use 'the Libya model' as a threat makes no sense because you can't threaten someone to then do something voluntarily.
Just another day when Trump demonstrates how little he understands of the subject matter.
I don't think it's amateur hour, I think the men inside the White House want a war with North Korea. And they're doing everything in their power to get one and fuck everyone else. So how's that hope and change comin' again ?
Every military strategist on the planet knows that war can't be won. If Kim strikes first, he wipes Seoul off the map. If we strike first, Seoul will still be wiped off the map.
Kim holds has the upper hand and he and China (and most of us) know it. War is not an option unless murdering millions of people is acceptable purely to maintain your so-called tough man image.
and Maher is the very model of modern corporate Democrat. He's completely right wing on all economic issues and leans a little left on social issues. He is not in any sense of the words "left wing". He's another nasty outgrowth of the shift to the right started by Bill Clinton in the 90s.
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Trump was doing a victory lap like a kid at a junior high track meet. He had no intention of pulling out, he was having a grand old time. Kim pulled out hen he realized he could make Trump look silly by doing so. He denied Trump his Nobel Peace Prize. Also, Kim already got what he really wanted: America acknowledges him as the legitimate ruler of North Korea. As soon as we agreed to talks we did that. That's why nobody was dumb enough to agree to them... until Trump.
Even then we might have salvaged _something_ from this whole mess if Trump hadn't backed out of the Iran deal and started talking about the "Libya Model". We literally threatened to kill a guy we're trying to have peace talks with.
Scott Adam's off his rocker. I think he went nuts when he lost his voice for a few years. I can only imagine what not being able to talk for that long does to you. There is nothing intelligent going on here. Trying to read intelligence in this administration is like trying to see the feature in pig entrails. You might think you see something but you're just fooling yourself.
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When the "left" abandoned labor and decided instead to promote open bigotry, the left lost all the supporters it used to have. Good luck ever winning *anything* again!
If you're not willing to think of the children even when the subject is actually what to do about the children, there's really no hope for you. You're just not capable of thinking.
The thing that would make it a more honest conversation would be if you were honest, instead of just talking shit based on perceived political teams.
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I thought the interest to nerds was based on, "Trump cancels Singapore Summit and once again all your favorite k-pop idols are about to burn in a fiery inferno."
I'll be off watching AoA music videos at double speed so I can get more views in before it makes me cry. <3 <3 <3 Hyejeong! The world's greatest fashionista.
It is as if people can't comprehend that the "test site" is literally just a mine shaft into the side of a mountain, and there is nothing important kept there except for the part that blows up, which is there temporarily right before it blows up.
Or that they had backup tunnels a few hundred yards away. Or that they can just move half a mile down the ridgeline and dig another hole.
Maybe they just don't realize that a "nuclear program" is mostly a bunch of physicists and engineers doing technical work? Maybe they think you dig your way to a bomb? Or maybe you smash rocks together inside a tunnel for 7 years until they reach a state of metaphysical enrichment?
Cause this time he didn't just manage to sound like his usual Creutzfeldt-Jakob incoherent self.
He also managed to sound like a teen or a twelve-year-old tweeting "You don't break up with me! I'm breaking up with YOU!" at a porn star he's been having an imaginary Twitter romance with.
And at the same time, begging to be taken "back".
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But the most hilarious part is when the White House gift shop web site crashed under the weight of the global schadenfreude.
Thanks to millions of people going there to see the commemorative "challenge" coin being discounted after the cancellation of the summit.
There goes that Nobel peace prize all those Republican brown nosers tried to sign him up for, I guess.
That's IF they've managed to spell Norway correctly this time.
That W... very much like an M... all them straight lines...
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Don't forget that the Libya model sort of implied that you get killed once you STOP working on nukes.
This peace through strength after Iraq war was the biggest recruitment tool for terrorism as well. It may cause governments to collapse, but it won't rebuild those governments or cause the people there to give up peacefully.
So then in 3 years
It will take less than three months, you don't understand this at all do you?
And you knew you were wrong, you posted AC specifically so no-one could do what you claim you plan to do... come to think of it your plan was idiotic because you could never say it was you who made the claim. You obviously don't even believe it yourself.
Sad.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
rance and UK weren't in a position to fight a war against Germany in 1938
Another AC nugget of wisdom... ignoring Germany wasn't in a position to attack them either at that time. It would have been a waste of resources.
Meanwhile Chamberlain gave up all of Czechoslovakia, which has not fully recovered to this day (as I have seen in person). I guess it was a great strategy to fuck over an entire country? Why don't you try standing the the middle of Prague and say that out loud, I'm sure the police will eventually be able to recover some parts of you from the river.
Has they not given that country up, Germany would have had to fight for it, having no resources (military or natural) to attack Britain with - having ownership of Prague enabled Germany to stay in the war much longer because they simply had more fuel and raw materials on tap. It was a disaster from start to finish.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
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Kim Jong Un can now tell his people Trump is praying to him.
We've already demonstrated that our country won't honor our President's promises longer than his term.
This is a saving grace for much of the international community. They are hoping that these few years blows over as quirk in the history of the world and things will go back to normal.
I dread to see what will happen if Trump wins a second term, then it stops being a quirk and starts becoming a mindset of the people of the USA.
In the US, per law, there is either a treaty or not.
The law is quite irrelevant. The USA agreed to do something, started doing something, and walked away from it while it was happening. Your petty legal ramblings do not interest the other countries who now see the signature of your president for the value it truly has.
i could have never seen ending this summit very well, it would have been a massive failure for Trump and to cancel it was the best possible option for him.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
You mean the testing site they basically already destroyed in an accident? Given it's proximity to China there is a good chance the Chinese were wanting them to cap it to keep any potential radiation from getting out. It was a token gesture at best
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
I love the smugness!
Keep it up. It's really helping your side.
I was actually a tiny bit hopeful as I read the summary of this article - the text of Mr. Trump's letter to NK:
". In a letter to Kim, the president said; "I was very much looking forward to being there with you. Sadly, based on the tremendous anger an open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time to have this long-planned meeting. Therefore, please let this letter to serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place."
I was thinking wow - has Mr. Trump actually grown up a little? Deigned to start acting presidential? Sigh. No. Was not to be:
"He added, "You talk about your nuclear capabilities, but ours are so massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never have to be used."
And then he end on a dick move. Way to go Sir. You do us proud! .
I should have known better than to get my hopes up.
Go to President Xi.
Surrender. Surrender to China for the Korean War. Agree to openly apologize for interfering in Asian affairs. Agree to demilitarize all of the Korean peninsula, leaving no American military behind. Agree to fund resettlement of North Koreans who enter China after DPRK ends.
Agree to a full pardon of Kim Jong-un. Kim is granted a non transferable governorship for life of Pyongyang. With a limited autonomy from Korea, but no border checkpoints or other constraints, and full accountability to Korean law for the region.
In exchange for the surrender, PRC will line up a few million troops on DPRK's northern border and deliver the terms to Kim Jong-un.
DPRK will have no choice but to accept. They have no defenses to the north. If they move their troops north, they'll be open to attack from the south.
DPRK is abolished. The border between north and south, abolished. Free movement. The residents of the north free to go south. Those in the south, free to go north.
The plan would work, but no American would ever be willing to ask China for help. So we'll get nuclear war first. Stupid Americans.
Learn to love Alaska
I love the smugness!
Keep it up. It's really helping your side.
It is hard not to be smug when you can't even hear me and just spew something about "sides" in response.
Spoiler: I wasn't taking a "side," I was pointing out the contradiction in accusing people of making a "think about the children" argument, when the topic is actually about children. People on any "side" should be able to understand that, if, but only if they're capable of both reading and comprehending before responding. If not, they'll just knee-jerk and presume sides based on the simple formula: "Is agree me? No? Other side!" The funniest part is that even if I spell it out, you don't have any opportunity for comprehension, because Reasons.
It is hard not to be smug when you can't even hear me and just spew something about "sides" in response.
Spoiler: I wasn't taking a "side," I was pointing out the contradiction in accusing people of making a "think about the children" argument, when the topic is actually about children.
It's funny to say that when you apparently just read 1 sentence of my post. The rest of the post explained the actually problem with this.
Nope.