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Intel Hits 50 Years and Its CPUs Hit 5.0 GHz (venturebeat.com)

Intel will turn 50 next month, so to celebrate that, its CPUs are hitting 5.0 GHz for the first time, it said. At Computex event in Taiwan this week, the chipmaker announced the limited edition 8th Gen Intel Core i7-8086K processor, the first-ever CPU from the company with a 5.0GHz turbo frequency. From a report: Intel, of course, is the world's biggest chip maker, and its fortunes are wedded to the success of the personal computer. "As we transition to the data-centric era, the PC remains a critical facet of Intel's business, and it's an area where we believe there are still so many opportunities ahead," Bryant said. "Today, at Computex in Taipei, I shared our vision for the future of the PC and introduced a wide range of new technologies that will help us and the broader ecosystem make this future a reality. One that transforms the PC from a simple computer into a platform that can power every person's greatest contribution."

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  1. Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by NFN_NLN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "SPARC T8-2 Server Specifications
    ARCHITECTURE
    Processor
      Thirty-two core, 5.0 GHz SPARC M8 processor
      Up to 256 threads per processor"

    1. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's cool, but comparing clock speed between different processor architectures is mostly meaningless.

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    2. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by Junta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is true, but the claim verbatim is 'first-ever 5.0 ghz', so it's correct to call them out on not hitting the front.

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    3. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by oic0 · · Score: 2

      Think he's referring to how the article calls is the first 5ghz chip. AMD also made a 5.0ghz vishera, the FX 9590.

    4. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by omnichad · · Score: 4, Informative

      If that's verbatim, where is it?

      The article says "first-ever CPU with a 5.0GHz turbo frequency" which was crafted to be correct on a technicality (it's not the base clock rate).

      The summary says "its CPUs are hitting 5.0 GHz for the first time"

      And Intel doesn't make SPARC chips, so that's also correct.

    5. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by ebrandsberg · · Score: 4, Informative

      There isn't a direct quote on this point, so it may be the writer that said this wording, not the person being quoted. Meanwhile, the title is accurate, with "its CPUs hit 5.0 GHz", not it is the first to hit 5.0Ghz. As mentioned, the Sparc has had 5.0ghz, but AMD also has: https://www.anandtech.com/show/8316/amds-5-ghz-turbo-cpu-in-retail-the-fx9590-and-asrock-990fx-extreme9-review.

    6. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Informative

      Intel: https://newsroom.intel.com/edi...
      "the first Intel processor with a 5.0 GHz turbo frequency"

      Intel actually qualifies their statement and all the reporters parroted it without the qualification. So basically, just another news day.

      Venturebeat: https://venturebeat.com/2018/0...
      "the first-ever CPU with a 5.0GHz turbo frequency, said Intel’s Gregory Bryant"

      CNET: https://www.cnet.com/news/inte...
      "the first-ever CPU with a 5.0GHz turbo frequency." ...

    7. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Intel will turn 50 next month, so to celebrate that, its CPUs are hitting 5.0 GHz for the first time, it said. At Computex event in Taiwan this week, the chipmaker announced the limited edition 8th Gen Intel Core i7-8086K processor, the first-ever CPU from the company with a 5.0GHz turbo frequency. "

      Noone is claiming "first ever", they are claiming " Intel's first ever".

    8. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by sexconker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      WRONG!

      AMD gave us the FX-9590 with 4.7 GHz base and 5.0 GHz turbo clocks FIVE years ago.

    9. Re:Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the market by pak9rabid · · Score: 3, Informative

      And IBM gave that to us over 10 years ago with their POWER6 CPUs:

      https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

  2. Skylake again by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

    It's the same Skylake uArch which debuted three years ago and naturally this particular CPU is affected by both Meltdown and Spectre. It's still an accomplishment though since it's the first ever consumer CPU to run at a such an insane clockrate.

    Oh, and it will be available in very limited quantities.

    1. Re:Skylake again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      and naturally this particular CPU is affected by both Meltdown and Spectre

      Yeah, but it does it faster. So....there is that.

    2. Re:Skylake again by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      These are just binned 8700K's which already run a 4.7Ghz boost. They didn't change die sizes for some one-off run.

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    3. Re:Skylake again by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

      3200MHz DDR4 doesn't run at 3200MHz - its actual clock rate is 1600MHz. 3200 here denotes its data transfer rate in millions of transfers per seconds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    4. Re:Skylake again by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or you can get the Workstation Xeon they just showed off that runs 28 cores at 5GHz on all cores. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-28-core-5-ghz,37201.html

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    5. Re:Skylake again by Entrope · · Score: 2

      You will almost certainly be able to buy two or even three nicely outfitted Threadripper 2 workstations for the cost of that CPU alone. Intel sells 28-core Xeons now, but they aren't anywhere near 5 GHz, and they cost about $10k each.

    6. Re:Skylake again by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      Highly unlikely. They might base a new process of an existing design but there is still a bunch of retooling that needs to be done. I doubt they would release some one-off chip based on an existing design as their first chip. This is just a 0.3ghz increase in the base and boost clocks so it's not like it's a massive increase.

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    7. Re:Skylake again by robi5 · · Score: 2

      CPU and memory clock rates used to be identical, then CPU speeds grew way more rapidly than memory speeds, leading to the misnomer: memory multiplier. So the upside of what you note is that we're slowly moving away from ridiculously high multipliers. Yes, the end game would be processing integrated with memory.

    8. Re:Skylake again by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      In most consumer applications it isn't the speed of the memory or cpu that causes slowdown. It's the I/O. When I'm doing "real work" on my desktop my cpu hardly breaks 20% and I'm waiting on I/O to catch up. An this is with a Samsung 960 Pro NvME card.

      With games its GPU. My cpu barely breaks 30% even with the most demanding game.

      Faster CPU's are nice but they are not what determines overall computer power any more.

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  3. Yay! Progress! by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Intel celebrates 50 years, and the 8086 Instruction Set Architechure celebrates 45 years.

    1. Re:Yay! Progress! by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Compatibility is a nice feature, and it's a testament to the design that they could remain compatible for so long.

  4. Re:5GHz too late... by danomac · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yep, they held them back at least 5 years so it would coincide with their anniversary. Idiots.

  5. Turbo frequency by MrL0G1C · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will I need to hit the turbo button on the front of the PC to get this 'Turbo frequency'?

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    1. Re:Turbo frequency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm both old enough to remember those and young enough to remember how I thought it was a dumb idea. Thankfully processors change clock speed based on actual load now.

      Turbo button was for legacy compatibility, A lot of old games used cycle based timing, so on a faster cpu the game ran too fast. Hit the turbo button to slow down cpu and voila, scaling based on load wouldn't work for that use.

    2. Re:Turbo frequency by ledow · · Score: 2

      Lots of games did a lot of similar things, right into this decade.

      Go run the original C&C or Red Alert on a PC. Despite being available for Windows 95 (and thus much faster chips than anything a Turbo button was designed to cope with), you still have to play with "scroll speed" at the very bottom and "game speed" somewhere about half-way (top is way too fast, and the graduations are enormous between settings)

      The timing was nowhere close to actually being based on wall-clock time, despite things like processors having timing, and vsync etc information being readily available to time against (even if you didn't wait around to draw frames at that point).

      Even the unofficial hacks and patches can't make it consistent on a modern machine.

      (P.S. Origin sell all the C&C and Red Alert in one package - don't bother, because they don't even run on modern Windows without applying the same unofficial patches as everyone else did to their original disks, and even after that you still have these kinds of speed problems).

  6. Re:5GHz too late... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

    People have been running Intel processors at 5GHz for years. They may have needed aftermarket cooling solutions, but it's been something that's possible for quite a while. I guess the question is how high people will be able to overclock this 5GHz CPU. If it costs more than the current 8700k and doesn't actually provide any level of overclocking, then I don't really see it as big news.

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  7. I though we got off the mhz (Ghz) myth. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Is this the early 2000's where we were all drooling over the faster hertz speed of the clock.

    We have been parallelizing the chips and software for over a decade now to reach meaningful speed improvements, while not really caring much about the clock speeds. This approach actually has been a good thing, it allowed great improvements in mobile chip design which cannot draw tones of power and doesn't need a radiator to keep it from melting itself.

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    1. Re:I though we got off the mhz (Ghz) myth. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      A doubling in clock speed is always better than a doubling in cores (all other things equal). The only reason we're focusing on cores now is because single-threaded speed hasn't been able to increase much.

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    2. Re:I though we got off the mhz (Ghz) myth. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The higher the clock speed, the higher the wasted power to heat. And if the chips get to hot, they work faulty anyway, the smaller they get, the more faulty they get, too.

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    3. Re:I though we got off the mhz (Ghz) myth. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Double the frequency, square the power loss.

      Wrong. Power dissipation is proportional to frequency if the voltage is unchanged.

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  8. Re: Oracle already has a 5.0 GHz chip on the marke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    POWER6 was at 5 GHz in 2008

  9. They missed an opportunity by tadas · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really wish they'd built a chip that ran at 4.77 GHz...

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  10. Re:But .... by Bryansix · · Score: 2

    The engineers and the marketing department got locked in a room and battled it out to the death. I'll let you figure out who won.

  11. average cycles per second per second by sugar+and+acid · · Score: 2

    Obviously the growth in clock speed has been exponential (moores law) and goes in major steps process and design changes, but for fun, the linear average increase in clock speed since the launch of the intel 4004 in 1971 (740khz) to the present top line chips (~4.3 Ghz) is 3 Hz per second. Or 3 more cycles per second per second.

    1. Re:average cycles per second per second by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      no, clock speed the one thing that flattened out years ago, about 2004

  12. Thermal Loads by ytene · · Score: 2

    This is going back a bit, but the 5GHz threshold is important for another reason... I'm trying to find the exact reference, but back around the time that AMD first released the Athlon CPU, I recall someone from the technology press writing an article which extrapolated what would happen to processor TDPs as clock speeds increased. Obviously we have to bear in mind that die shrinks and improved lithography, better materials and the like all help to drive up the performance-per-watt scale, but this magazine projected that if CPUs [of the day] were ever to scale up to 5GHz, then the thermal-output-per-square inch, extrapolated from the CPU die size, would actually exceed what is found inside a fully-active nuclear reactor.

    The amazing thing, then, is not simply that Intel have managed to ship a 5GHz part, but they have done so whilst essentially keeping the thermal profile of the chips more-or-less uniform for a good part of the last few years. In some ways this thermal efficiency is even more impressive than the outright clock speed; it talks to the materials science, packaging design and overall cooling effectiveness, that we've now come to expect from our current crop of processors.