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Copyright Law Could Put End To Net Memes (bbc.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Memes, remixes and other user-generated content could disappear online if the EU's proposed rules on copyright become law, warn experts. Digital rights groups are campaigning against the Copyright Directive, which the European Parliament will vote on later this month. The legislation aims to protect rights-holders in the internet age. But critics say it misunderstands the way people engage with web content and risks excessive censorship. The Copyright Directive is an attempt to reshape copyright for the internet, in particular rebalancing the relationship between copyright holders and online platforms. Article 13 states that platform providers should "take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rights-holders for the use of their works." Critics say this will, in effect, require all internet platforms to filter all content put online by users, which many believe would be an excessive restriction on free speech. There is also concern that the proposals will rely on algorithms that will be programmed to "play safe" and delete anything that creates a risk for the platform.
Here is his reaction after hearing about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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At what point will it no longer be worth it to business in the EU? Ridiculous.
.. they may just be a bit different.
You often post an idea as to how to call / email in the US when this comes up. Why not now,
I am sure there are people to call and email here also.
Any idea who??
=)
Just like it hasn't stopped copyright violations in any other area.
What a model of democratic government that the rest of the world should be. Sarcasm off
People might need to come up with real thoughts and words of their own, instead of parroting the words of another.
The US is facing a bill to extend copyright another 70 years. And to prevent much 'old' content from going into the public domain.
Corporations are wrecking copyright by claiming rights for their 'lifetime', which for virtually every corporation is 'forever'.
Digital content is also virtually perpetual, which makes perpetual rights both rational (if you believe that) and possible. Physical media such as paintings will eventually face the problem of being replicated to be preserved, and then the inevitable fight over rights of this 'perpetual' replica as a replacement.
And the Internet has thrived on fair use, which was tolerated until it became widespread and actually practical to use.
We need to reconsider letting copyright become perpetual, that it become limited to reasonable protection, and see if Mickey Mouse actually fades away...
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
At what point will it no longer be worth it to business in the EU?
For many companies, that came on 25 May 2018, the effective date of Article 27 of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) (text). It requires businesses outside the EU that do business in the EU to hire a representative in the EU to handle privacy requests, even if the foreign business otherwise complies with the GDPR. Representative service can cost thousands of USD per year (source).
Only "occasional" processing of personal data is exempt from the Article 27 requirement, and it remains to be seen how EU judges will interpret "occasional" in light of its lack of definition in the text of the GDPR. For example, if a business does less than 1% of its worldwide turnover in the EU, is processing "occasional" when it happens roughly twice per order, once during payment and once when the business prints a shipping label?
Critics say this will, in effect, require all internet platforms to filter all content put online by users
I run a forum. I already have to deal with the occasional spam that gets through the registration system, and now I have to check everything my users say to see if someone else has already said it? No, thanks.
I've also built a few web applications, some of which accept user-submitted content. Do I now need to integrate that with a third-party scanning tool to enforce filtering? I'd really rather not, just from a licensing and contracting perspective...
I also note this comes hot on the heels of the GDPR. I guess it's time for another new privacy policy update, to tell folks that the information they submit (which might possibly be personally-identifiable) will now be handed off to a copyright scanner and checked to see if they dared to have an unoriginal thought...
With all due respect, fuck that.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
They're sooo important, the internet can't exist without all the retarded, useless and disrespectful content brought by the computing analphabets coming from facepoop.
Brexit was just phase one.
Also, wait until the memes lampooning EU bureaucrats start to circulate.
>> European Parliament's proposed rules
That's cute: they think they are a relevant governing body.
Freedom of Speech would only be one of the casualties of legislation like this; it would, for the most part, make the Internet read-only. Few if any websites would allow anyone to upload anything whatsoever, because of the cost and the exposure to liability under the law. You wouldn't even be able to upload photographs you took with your own camera or device. In a possible future Internet under legislation like this, it would be more like having a Cable TV subscription than it would anything you've come to associate with the Internet of today. The only difference would be email and access to government services. Who would be willing to pay for that? Speaking only for myself, I wouldn't be willing to pay much, if anything, for that level of 'service', for the same reasons I stopped paying for Cable TV: not enough value for the money. If they really want to kill the Internet completely, then draconian legislation like this is the way to do it.
Time to blackhole all traffic from the EU. Problem solved.
The US is facing a bill to extend copyright another 70 years.
Copyright in which works? All works, or just pre-1972 sound recordings that are already subject to copyright-like rights granted by the several states? Besides, the sound recording copyright is among the easiest to design around, as once copyright in the underlying musical work has expired, it's fair game for your cover version.
Corporations are wrecking copyright by claiming rights for their 'lifetime', which for virtually every corporation is 'forever'.
For purpose of the U.S. copyright term in works other than pre-1972 sound recordings, the life of the author of a work made for hire is reckoned as 25 years after first publication or 50 years after creation, whichever comes first. This part of the copyright term formula has remained unchanged since the Copyright Act of 1976, even though a 1998 amendment to the statute extended the post-mortem period from the Berne minimum 50 years to 70 years to match that of the European Union.
Physical media such as paintings will eventually face the problem of being replicated to be preserved, and then the inevitable fight over rights of this 'perpetual' replica as a replacement.
Unlike Australia, the United States does not recognize "sweat of the brow" as extending a copyright term. When copyright in an original two-dimensional work such as a painting expires, copyright in all faithful reproductions thereof expires along with it. Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp., 36 F. Supp. 2d 191 (S.D.N.Y. 1999).
If you host in the EU you're beyond hope anyway.
Now pick up that can everyone but Germany!
Pewdiepie will have to get a regular job. No more meme review for you!
a permanent monopoly. Which is just what the corporations that are ending up with these copyrights need. In order to make them a good buy and profit producer for the corporation owners. They want them to be an asset that will never be used up. Never require additional costs related to development and design. In essence they have an almost nonexistent cost to maintain. So most every bit of income generated is, for the most part profit.
;).
That is why these corporations are willing to buy the right copyright laws from the politicians. It is a one time cost now for huge profit with little effort later.
I do not think it can be stopped because politicians are corrupt and will always take the money.
Just my 2 cents
Usually the things that become memes take some research to make sure there is no IP in them.
The story with disaster girl was her literal dad in real life worked very hard to research this and make it happen.
The upshot is if it sticks as a meme (after any potential law jungle-ry) then the courts aren't going to bring it down.
So there's really no potential for our beloved comrade Stalin to rescue the memes held hostage by future counter-revolutionary activity.
Once again the EU tries to impose it's laws on the rest of the world. What this will result in is platforms leaving the EU. If the platform is not physically in the EU the EU has no actual control over them. Sure, the EU can convict them in absentia but so what. Just ignore the EU.
And here I was thinking this twist to copyright enforcement was toublesome.
If it kills most memes I support it wholeheartedly.
In Soviet Russia, meme puts end to copyright law!
Ha ha!
I'll be here all week, try the veal.
You can do it!
That's all folks.
This will not work the way they think it will. It's unenforceable in any but draconian ways. And when you suppress things that hard the results will be as inevitable as entropy. Pirate and Dark Web outfits will see a resurgence on a massive scale. The smart people that can build ways around things like this will put there little grey cells on it. And the things they come up with will make TOR look tame. As a result truly bad criminals will have new tools to commit crimes and law enforcement will be facing up against the kind of talent they can't match. This will result in the classic vicious cycle of good people fighting oppression and the law hitting harder and harder on an ever ballooning group of criminals. Witch will only make them work harder to hide and so make things even easier for the true villains.
This is exactly how things like The Pirate Bay got so big. People wanted things that they by every measure should have been able to get at a reasonable price. Games and TV and Movies. But the people that made and sold them wouldn't play ball. So tech savvy people made workarounds that the law couldn't keep up with. Torrent sites and the like have been on the decline of late but not because they law is getting ahead of the curve. These days its pirate streams and overseas file sharing. But they law is getting a handle on it because the smart people can now get things legally at a reasonable price. You may not remember, but it was common for cable companies to require you to pay for a full cable package, a phone and internet package before they would let you have anything online. and movies? forget about it. But it was exactly that kind of unthinking and unreasonable action on the part of businesses that led to countless real crimes being possible.
This makes me think of the ongoing debate about Encryption Backdoor that governments bring up every other day. So let me settle it once and for all. You can't put in backdoor or make it weak anymore then you can require that every lock have a master key and make it the same master key for every lock. All it takes is one leak and everything everywhere is naked and that's not OK. This is why law enforcement hires locksmiths. Computer locks are no different. Do the smart thing and hire digital lock smiths. And stop trying to put every person on the planet at risk.
"Don't worry, nations of Europe. The EU government will only be granted very limited powers to regulate interstate trade, and anything it touches, and anything that in turn touches, out to six degrees of Kevin Bacon.
"Your sovereignity is not threatened!"
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They have access to only a subset of the internet and the governments of Europe are working hard to ensure users can't get the real thing. From the GDPR which has reduced the number of sites and free software projects accessible to those in the EU to the great firewall of Europe that has been erected in the name of copyright and child porn.
They Found it.
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Now I'm in favor of it.
They're coming for our memes?
Finally, something that might unite the right and left against overbearing copyright laws!
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Somebody is misunderstanding memes, social-media and the internet in general.
Imagine the flood of memes regarding the takedown notices of memes.
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
what could prevent people to create permissive memes ? Upload new cat images, licence them CC or anything sweet, same for captions and this issue is a non issue.
and I didn't speak up because most all memes suck and I can't stand looking at them.
That was awesome. Excellent concise explanation of US copyright!
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Article 13 states that platform providers should "take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rights-holders for the use of their works." Critics say this will, in effect, require all internet platforms to filter all content put online by users, which many believe would be an excessive restriction on free speech.
How much does it cost? What are the technical and legal burdens you need to put on yourself? This sounds bad for mom and pop forums. Even say the support forums for a piece of software.
What about nerds posting leaked slides to discuss a new CPU?, etc.
If all you have is one or a few moderators : will they have to check every image themselves?, if they don't want to use some code that uploads all of them to some central big copyright checker.
This is what disturbs me especially : the need to use some sort of "Cloudflare for copyright". Not being able to run your own comment section : you have to farm it out to something like Disqus, which will own all the comments not you, and keep them forever in some analytics database. And so on.
Stopping memes will decrease her popolarity (apart maybe in Soviet Russia), and cause a collapse of the hot grits sales.
I've been going back and forth with IBM for a week as to why I couldn't order CDN service (Akamai, which IBM bought a while back).
I got one strange error message, they did some "diagnosis", and then I started getting another strange error message. And, finally, an email stating that our credit card details couldn't be verified, and so the order was cancelled.
So, it turns out IBM needs more relevant error messages. The latter was apparently the easiest way they had to cancel the order.
IBM is currently not permitting customers to order new CDN service. Apparently, there is something they have to do to comply with GDPR requirements.
They have no projection when (if if) they will be selling CDN service again.
Thanks, EU. Somebody has FINALLY "broken the Internet".
In the US, we have something called fair use. That means that a bite-sized spreading idea (a meme) can make a reference to pop culture as social commentary.
for the Internet age then you should look at reducing the length of copyright. It should become easier to make derivative works in the fast pace of the Internet age.
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But I agree that we should restore copyright to 17 years max, with one renewal while the person, not corporation, is alive.
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Why do people want to live under the rule of unelected bureaucrats?