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Intel: We 'Forgot' To Mention 28-Core, 5GHz CPU Demo Was Overclocked (tomshardware.com)
At Computex earlier this week, Intel showed off a 28-core processor running at 5GHz, implying that it would be a shipping chip with a 5.0GHz stock speed. Unfortunately, as Tom's Hardware reports, "it turns out that Intel overclocked the 28-core processor to such an extreme that it required a one-horsepower industrial water chiller." From the report: We met with the company last night, and while Intel didn't provide many details, a company representative explained to us that "in the excitement of the moment," the company merely "forgot" to tell the crowd that it had overclocked the system. Intel also said it isn't targeting the gaming crowd with the new chip. The presentation did take place in front of a crowd of roughly a hundred journalists and a few thousand others, not to mention a global livestream with untold numbers watching live, so perhaps nerves came into play. In the end, Intel claims the whole fiasco is merely the result of a flubbed recitation of pre-scripted lines, with the accidental omission of a single word: "Overclocked." Maybe that's the truth, but there's a lot of room for debate considering how convenient an omission this is.
I was pretty sure it was way overclocked. Kind of thought it was obvious. They aren't working on anything in the 4GHz range so why would they suddenly jump to 5 for release?
We 'Forgot' To Mention 28-Core, 5GHz CPU Demo Was Overclocked
They probably also forgot to mention that it was a 32-core device with 4 faulty cores. ;-)
/sarcasm Chipzilla would never resort to benchmarking shenanigans ... Oh wait.
Even then it is doubtful it can run at 5 ghz. It also is skylake technology and a 2 year old server chip. My citation is here.
http://saveie6.com/
To try and underplay AMD's 32 Core announcement.
I recall getting a turbo 486 back in the 90s, was shipped oveclocked. But didnâ(TM)t require a freaking mini fridge to make it sustainable
Was the secret water chiller covered by national security?
In Soviet Union Siberia cool smuggled western CPU for you.
In Capitalist west secret water chiller design use kept from you.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
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Who the fuck cares?
leave Burger King alone, the deep fried fries taste better
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macdonalds forgot to mention 100% beef meant they used the entire cow. which is why their burgers taste like sh1t.
28 cores? That must fly. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of them!
So will the new CPU come with a bottle of two stroke oil so you can gas up the chiller and try it out right away?
Good lord, really? That's astounding ... Wonder what would happen if you put in the same kind of steam generator a nuclear reactor uses to power the coolers and run a Beowolf Cluster of those buggers.
Some kind of parallel computing perpetual motion machine.
No, but for databases, ESX hosts, and other things with high concurrency, that's a hell of a thing.
I'd even say sod the 5GHz, and give us the 28 cores already. My applications benefit far more from more cores than more speed.
Though, the nuclear Beowulf cluster is kinda cool too.
Since we've been stuck just below 4GHz on production consumer CPUs for like 15 years now, getting above that would be a pretty significant achievement worthy of a Nobel Prize or something (exaggerating), omitting saying it's over clocked is pure marketing trickery. Fucking marketers, I hate em.
Intel just wants a PR win so bad
How do you know what sh1t tastes like?
because they are suddenly faced with competition again. They probably are nervous.
You just wrecked it for me. I thought I was eating soy.
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all these senior people got their positions by kissing butt, now we see they have no real skills, no actual talent and no integrity, this is the type of leadership corrupt systems have, just saying
I've updated this from a comment I made before. To me, it seems like a more in-depth understanding of Intel's management in the past 15 years.
Intel's insufficient management: Intel has had many years of insufficient management, in my opinion. (Jan. 22, 2018)
Here is a comment of mine posted exactly 12 years ago: Lower prices are not the answer. Proposal. (June 9, 2006)
Intel's poor marketing: It is not difficult to find other evidence of insufficient management at Intel. Since the beginning of this year I've gotten 40 poorly considered, poorly written marketing emails from Intel. Whoever writes those ads seems to have almost no technical knowledge and no ability with sophisticated communication. This is an amazingly foolish sentence from emails I got from Intel on March 6 and March 8, 2018: "Up your marketing game with segment-focused campaigns..."
Recent background: Meltdown and Spectre: 'worst ever' CPU bugs affect virtually all computers (Jan 4, 2018) "Meltdown is currently thought to primarily affect Intel processors manufactured since 1995, excluding the company's Itanium server chips and Atom processors before 2013."
Linus Torvalds Calls Intel Patches 'Complete and Utter Garbage'. (Jan. 22, 2018)
Two previous errors in design of Intel processors: Pentium FDIV bug (1994) and the Pentium F00F bug (1997)
More EXTREME evidence of insufficient management at Intel: Intel was aware of the chip vulnerability when its CEO sold off $24 million in company stock. (Jan. 3, 2018)
Will Intel be allowed to PROFIT from many years of producing processors with vulnerabilities? Will Intel be treated like U.S. banks in 2008, when many banks profited and many finance system managers got bonuses after the financial crash?
If vulnerabilities are profitable, would Intel deliberately allow vulnerabilities in its products? Were the previous vulnerabilities deliberate? Did the CEO know about the vulnerabilities previously? Do others at Intel profit from the vulnerabilities?
This would explain why they're going through bankruptcy proceedings. ~
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90% of taste is the smell.
It sounds better if it's only two instead of seventeen hundred.
Even though Intel is sloppily managed in many ways, Intel does well because there is a huge worldwide need for faster and better processors.
One story: Is Intel a Buy? The chip giant's stock should be due for a huge correction after soaring 48% higher over the last year, right? Well, not so fast.
Quote from that article: "Intel is experiencing 'an unrelenting demand for compute performance driven by the continuing growth of data and the need to process, analyze, store, and share that data.' "
I accidentally overclocked my first 486 motherboard, back when a 486 motherboard was leading edge hardware. Basically, I hadet up the ISA bus clock multiplier wrong, so that the ISA bus was running at 12 Mhz. Because the cards I happened to have in my system worked, it made my system run with much faster bus i/o. (This was back in the era when motherboard settings had to have adjustments so that the isa bus would run at the correct 8 Mhz with varying CPU clocks)
Eventually I acquired a card where it crashed the system and I had to figure out why and fix it.
I sold my original Pentium 75 chip after I upgraded to a 133mmx processor. It went to a guy at work who was an overclocking enthusiast. A 'just becuz' enthusiast who could easily afford the latest faster tech. That was my first contact with 'overclocking' enthusiasts. Kind of like people who enjoy getting the most out of a 3.5 horsepower engine in a go cart. Have fun, people.
So, Intel demos a halfassed SPARC chip.
Even freakinâ(TM) Oracle can ship a 32-core, 5GHz monster of a chip ...
Intel needs a gigantic cooler for a one-shot demo of a chip with less cores and no DAX accelerators.
My how the mighty have fallen.
You definitely have NOT tasted shit, if you think it's only 10% worse than a fart.
I remember those too! Turns out they were needed for backward compatibility with software expecting slower processing. So, it would be more accurate to say your computer back then had more of an underclock feature.
Of course, marketing made a hash of that.
walmart "forgot" to mention the picture on the box was only representative and not the actual product. Flag as Inappropriate
Video game cartridges of the 1980's. Disappointment haunted all my dreams.
you actually taste with your sense of smell/nose for the most part. Your mouth/tongue is only capable of very basic senses ,sweet/sour/salty/bitter/savoury. Not that I want to try it but if you block your nose then I imagine shit would actually be in difficult to differentiate from many other foods you actually enjoy.
What a fun and relevant anecdote!
True dat. Better than Macky D's too.
Like your name Romaine
The FTC didn't bust Intel for insider trading over the Meltdown share selloff so there's no way they will bust them for deceptive conduct over this. Untouchable...
It's a 2.5GHz Xeon server chip, overclocked to hell, with a 2000W chiller on it.
And a 1600W power supply.
Here's an interview with an intel engineer, later.
https://youtu.be/ozcEel1rNKM
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Every psychopath and asshole ever thought of "Whoops, I didn't meant to. Look at me, I'm so stoopid!".
Never attribute tu stupidity, what you can attribute to evilness!
And besides: Since when is harm not harm anymore just because it was done by a moron?
Stupidity is the mother of all sources of harm!
Well, I liked it.
Not you being such a cunt thoufht.
I can tell you from (now ex) pals im the SM world, that blocking the nose is not enough, as the gases will slightly creep up into the nose from the back of your throat. ;)
You need to be drunk as fuck too, literally numbing your senses
But honestly, it was actually scientifically shown, that horniness raises the bar on what you find disgusting. Which is why all those dirty things become OK during sex.
The hurt starts, when you remove the nose blockage before washing your mouth thoroughly. ^^
Yeah, never do it to a slave, no matter how much you or he/she thinks he/she wants it. ^^
Let's face it, 99% of 8bit games were dreadful cynical throw-togethers with some fancy artwork on the cover to sucker people into buying them. A bit like what Steam is becoming with their refusal to do anything about asset-flips and the like.
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Is AMD REALLY causing you to fill your drawers that badly?
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Or perhaps we are simply hitting some technological roadblock. It seems to me that they (at Intel) are scraping the bottom of the barrel to stay on top, because the technological progress in the area (especially for the x86 architecture) is reaching a plateau.
Intel isnt making any of the current "compute performance" chips. Thats companies like Google contracting out to companies like TSMC to produce custom chips like the Tensor Processing Unit.
The big joke is that TPU's are coming off old 28nm fabs. Intel has been closing these while TSMC/etc are still making some big bucks on them.
Intels key problem is their vertical business structure. The rent-a-fabs are winning. Intels dirty business practices that forced AMD so spin off their fabs into a rent-a-fab that will be first to 7nm is pure fucking gold comedy. Intel is right fucked until it breaks itself up.
"His name was James Damore."
Is it crazy that I am thinking of building a new system designed to be underclocked?
There are some serious advantages. The obvious is the sudden ability to not give any craps at all about cooling, but the not-so-obvious are the form factors such a system can then take. I am seriously considering this 7.56" x 8.27" x 2.44" case for a desktop system.
"His name was James Damore."
Most if not all the 8-bit systems of the 80's had so little ram that it was actually not easy to write even bad games for them.
"His name was James Damore."
Bubble Bobble, Bards Tale, Repton, Chuckie Egg & Chuckie Egg 2 and Magic Mushrooms are some of the ones I can remember as being good.
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"Well, I liked it."
Of course you did, Chris! You *wrote* it!
"Not you being such a cunt thoufht."
Awww.
Some were so bad they were good, like "Caber Toss" (from some Scottish Highland Games collection, iirc). It's weird the stuff you can find at yard sales...
Looks to be the same "leaving a word out" flub that left the "a" out of "One small step for "a" man...etc." But I don't buy it. Was the word used in any written data on what they were doing?
Just an aside: Who says the transistor concept has to be implemented in the physical world? Do switches and amplifiers actually have to be physical? Just wondering. It is a thought that occurred to me several years ago. Are there already non-physical "transistors" out there?
E Proelio Veritas.
The *businesses* that will use the chip will cool it with their own chillers anyway.
I'll take an AMD EPYC 32 core and overclock that bitch!
And more importantly - can it chill my beer & wine supply?
This would explain why they're going through bankruptcy proceedings. ~
Bankruptcy is a financial tool. It is no longer considered a form of punishment, or even frowned upon, so the reasons for playing that card are often varied, from justified to financial-weasel pathetic. Bankruptcy hardly explains anything anymore.
How absurd. First off, what's with the "one-horsepower" nonsense? That's 750 watts, quite a bit for a cooling solution but well within what a single wall outlet provides and really not surprising. Second, what does "industrial" mean here? What would be "industrial" about any cooling equipment able to be powered off a residential wall outlet? Third, why call it a "water chiller"? They know what it is, down to the exact model, and it's not called that. It's not "industrial" either, it's a PC-class product used for its intended purpose.
I wonder how much power they think an active cooling solution would use for a system whose power supply is 1300 watts. They state "That means it took an incredibly expensive (not to mention extreme) setup to pull off the demo. You definitely won't find this type of setup on a normal desktop PC." Well no, it doesn't mean "incredibly extensive" or "extreme" and so what? What they used to demonstrate is not a statement of minimum requirements, nor is a 28-core 5GHz processor something you'd find in a "normal desktop PC" anyway. This is standard overclocking stuff and has been for many, many years.
The attempt here is to suggest that abnormally massive cooling equipment is required when that is not supported by the facts. OK, so it was overclocked and had active cooling, no need to lie about it.
Dave's not here man.
Anyone could have made it.
I can't decide if this post is interesting, funny, insightful, or flamebait.
I had a friend, who I warned not to put a DX4/100 into the motherboard else it would catch fire. Some day he apparently got hold of a DX4/100, put it into the motherboard, and had it burn dramatically. But the board was still fine and running with the DX2/66 (or DX 33?) when he told me this.
Oh yeah Intel have a long history of management fuck-ups and their marketing is well and truly garbage directly contributing to killing some of their products.
But take off that tinfoil hat for a second and look at the history of it's processor bugs:
- The FDIV bug: A processor doing a normal operation can return an incorrect result. This is a breaking bug unrelated to a design feature and a recall was issued. Business as usual.
- The F00F bug: While the result of the processor, it only happens when it is fed a completely invalid instruction. It is not possible to test every possible combination of instructions against processors to see which will cause them to lockup, and why would it be expected that the processor receives such an instruction? The F00F bug is nothing compared to the many hundreds of errata that get published by ALL processor vendors detailing strange behaviour under certain conditions. If you don't use buggy software you won't hit this invalid instruction which has undocumented behaviour.
- Spectre: You write as if this was some nefarious bug that was introduced on purpose knowing the outcome. You write as if it actually affects people in meaningful ways. Take a deep breath, put the <b> tags down and let's see just what happened. A process used to speed up processors was put in place as part of the architecture long before side channel attacks were a thing demonstrated to work on CPUs. The bug affected multiple processors (SPARC, Powers and ARM's Cortex7 CPUs are affected by Spectre too). This is not a bug, it's a vulnerability exploiting a purposeful, documented and widely used feature. And who is affected? A few cloud providers. Whoop-de-do. If you get close enough to use Spectre on someone's computer then you already own them anyway.
Will Intel be allowed to profit? Why not? Do you punish car makers for producing vehicles that can be driven faster than the max speed limit leading to safety issues? There is absolutely no reason not to let Intel profit from this. To go after them at this point would be to basically say no one who programs for a living should ever turn a profit given the number of basic bugs that creep into most software. And while you try and strip Intel of profits, first prove to us how you were negatively impacted to the point where your purchasing decision would have been different given the advanced knowledge.
A scientific-sounding thing I read said that shit has a culturally-learned taste, that babies like the smell of shit, and that we'd be perfectly able to eat shit like many mammals do. Which I can perfectly buy, though as we eat much red meat (or pig meat?) the stench and hazard get really bad. We're shitting bits of rotting corpse then!
I see some sense in what you said. However, when Steve Jobs was alive and healthy, he was good at making sure Apple was presented in a way that communicated well and efficiently. Part of the problem I see with Intel is sloppy communicating.
Here is a discussion of the problems with the vulnerability called Meltdown, which you didn't mention in your comment: Meltdown and Spectre FAQ: How the critical CPU flaws affect PCs and Macs.
Quote: Meltdown "breaks the most fundamental isolation between user applications and the operating system", according to Google. This flaw most strongly affects Intel processors because of the aggressive way they handle speculative execution, though a few ARM cores are also susceptible."
An "air cooling" 5 GHz CPU is different to a "water cooling" 5 GHz CPU.
TDP from latter is very higher than from former.
You're a baffling person, Christopher.
yep many babies are caught eating shit. Parents are normally horrified and disgusted but it is perfectly normal, babies just don't have the preconceptions that it is supposed to be something nasty.
The entire "controversy" around the initial presentation of the system before the details were known was a complete non-issue. Anyone who follows current pc hardware and CPU trends and news knew immediately that it was an overclocked system, or at least they should have.
There were of course a bunch of wishful thinking fanboys and ignorant forum warrior types who immediately started with the "omg I can't believe this, I can't wait to buy one!" crap, but they were all just being delusional. Intel had just shortly before this announced a special edition 6 core chip that would stick turbo to 5 ghz on ONE core, and that was a first for a stock click chip.
So of course a 28 core 5ghz chip is overclocked. Those who made such a big deal about Intel being dishonest were either drama queens who like to get outraged on the internet; or they were rabid AMD fanboys who regularly grasp at any and all straws to bad mouth Intel. So again, complete non-story generated to drive page views and/or typical internet outrage bullshit.