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Tesla's Autopilot To Get 'Full Self-Driving Feature' In August (reuters.com)

Earlier today, Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted that its Autopilot driver assistance system will get full self-driving features following a software upgrade in August. Reuters reports: Autopilot, a form of advanced cruise control, handles some driving tasks and warns those behind the wheel they are always responsible for the vehicle's safe operation. But a spate of recent crashes has brought the system under regulatory scrutiny. "To date, Autopilot resources have rightly focused entirely on safety. With V9, we will begin to enable full self-driving features," Musk tweeted here on Sunday, replying to a Twitter user.

Musk said the autopilot issue during lane-merging is better in the current software and will be fully fixed in the August update. However, it was not clear what self-driving features would be included in the August update. Tesla's documentation on its website about the "full self-driving capabilities" package says that it is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality will be available, as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval.

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  1. Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we get a better law passed to make deceptive quoting and deceptive titles illegal? "begin to enable full self-driving features" is not nearly the same as "get 'full self-driving features'". No wonder the news industry is dying. It's all just bullshit, same as gossip.

    1. Re:Fake News by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The headline is grossly misleading because "feature" is singular. If it had said "features", it would have been less misleading, because people would have immediately realized that there must be multiple parts to full self-driving capabilities, and they're just getting some of them. By using the singular form, the headline is saying that the car will be fully self-driving in August, which is almost certainly far from the truth.

      The fact that you can figure out that the headline is pure B.S. by reading the article doesn't change the fact that the headline is clickbait.

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    2. Re:Fake News by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      This could be as little as adding the ability to read road signs, something that the old AP1 hardware could do but which the newer AP2 hardware has lacked for years.

      It's probably just Tesla finally enabling all the cameras that they have installed in the car. At the moment only half of them are actually in use.

      To get to fully autonomy they need to add the ability to read road signs, the ability to differentiate different kinds of vehicles (cars/bikes), and some kind of 3D vision (probably comparing consecutive video frames since they don't have stereo cameras), heavy redundancy so the car can act safely when cameras get splashed with rain or mud. They they need to take that data and build a 3D model of the world, and figure out how to navigate around it.

      Keep in mind that they have been selling full self driving for a couple of years now, and promised that it would drive you to work and then go off and park itself, more than Google's system can do and using a vastly inferior sensor suite.

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    3. Re:Fake News by JourneymanMereel · · Score: 2

      It's dishonest reporting at best. The most likely interpretation for the phrase "get 'full self-driving features'" is that the car will suddenly become fully self-driving.

      Only if you don’t actually bother reading the story.

      Which is kinda the point the OP is making. The only way to read the story is to click on the misleading headline and give the author the pageview they are gunning for by crafting a misleading headline.

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  2. Suggestion for first feature: by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Funny

    When approaching stopped car at high velocity, do not hit car. Hopefully they can expand that feature to cover other stationary objects as well, but I can see how that might be a "2.0” kind of thing.

    1. Re:Suggestion for first feature: by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      "Oh yes we missed large concrete objects, we'll fix it OTA tomorrow."
      "Oh yes we missed large red firetrucks, we'll fix it OTA tomorrow."
      "Oh yes we missed police cars, we'll fix it OTA tomorrow."

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    2. Re: Suggestion for first feature: by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As opposed to human drivers?

      "Oh we missed 5,000 stop signs today alone. We'll fix it never."

    3. Re:Suggestion for first feature: by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      Which is why you also have ultrasonic and radar sensor input to "vote" on an issue. You also have sufficient cameras and angles that the vision logic can vote as well among the different perspectives... and you have a lot more time as a computer than as a human, as your processing loop should take nowhere near a second to converge.

      If you can't do this, it isn't autonomous, and never will be.

  3. Re:Tesla? LOL! by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tesla has a high rate of recalls compared to other car manufacturers.

    Just because a car maker has fewer recalls than Tesla doesn't mean their cars have fewer issues. It just means they don't have as many recalls. They could simply be not taking responsibility for their problems compared to Tesla.

  4. Re:Canada has retaliated by slashdice · · Score: 2

    Canadians don't mess aboot.

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  5. Let me tell you a story by slashdice · · Score: 2

    I knew a guy. He drove his car into an interstate overpass at 80+ mph. It was a failed suicide attempt (i.e., he lived).

    Point is, Tesla's autopilot is indistinguishable from a depressed, suicidal middle aged man that was just fired.

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  6. have you ever driven in a Tesla? by slashdice · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a nice car. It's a luxury car, nice interior. Kind of makes you feel like royalty, like a king. Or queen. More specifically, a princess. In particular, Princess Diana.

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    1. Re: have you ever driven in a Tesla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Jokes aside, the tesla interior is much closer in quality and style to a civic than a Mercedes.

    2. Re: have you ever driven in a Tesla? by froggyjojodaddy · · Score: 2

      This is very true. If you discount the flashy LED displays (which are extremely impressive), the materials and patterns of the interior are very underwhelming considering the price of the car. Step into an equivalently priced Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Jaguar etc. and you'll instantly feel, smell, and see much better quality interiors. The plain door panel on a Tesla, for example, is a plan swath of leather (maybe vinyl?) but in an equivalent German car, the leather is either quilted, patterned, or otherwise broken up with other design elements. Same goes for the rest of the interior.

      The rest of the engineering may match, maybe exceed that of it's similarly priced rivals but the interior quality/design has a long way to go still.

    3. Re: have you ever driven in a Tesla? by eth1 · · Score: 2

      This is very true. If you discount the flashy LED displays (which are extremely impressive), the materials and patterns of the interior are very underwhelming considering the price of the car. Step into an equivalently priced Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Jaguar etc. and you'll instantly feel, smell, and see much better quality interiors.

      I own an Audi (2015) and a Porsche (2008), and I've been in a Model S (2016). The S is about equivalent to the Audi (a little better, maybe), and much better than the Porsche as far as interior quality goes.

      Mercedes, though, (the upper tiers, anyway) generally seem to have better interiors in general, not just compared to Tesla.

  7. I care... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    And I own a Tesla model 3 and find the autopilot to be a significant improvement over the standard cruise control found in a lesser cars.

    I'm also an engineer and have a graduate degree in machine learning, so I don't share your pessimism. Fortunately, you Luddites are in the minority or we'd instead be arguing the merits of mules vs horses vs donkeys.

  8. Re:Tesla? LOL! by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

    Just a thought, buy one and prove Tesla wrong. And one can finance through the First Bank of Parents; clean up the basement first.

  9. Some partial feature, not full self driving by misnohmer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since 2016, anyone who paid Tesla for FSD got absolutely nothing over those who didn't. What feature will get rolled out in August is not publicly known, could be some trick the car can do that it couldn't before (e.g. warn you if it sees a stop sign or a red light, not guaranteed it will see one of course). Then again, given that Elon said the exact same thing in the past, "features rolling out starting December 2016", then "FSD coast-to-coast demo by end of 2017", and none of them came remotely true, I would not be holding my breath. Could be just a way to distract the media from NHTSA investigation results, or other news Elon wasn't thrilled to see.

    1. Re:Some partial feature, not full self driving by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The problem with all these little incremental improvements is that they just make the driver more and more reliant on features that are not reliable.

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    2. Re:Some partial feature, not full self driving by misnohmer · · Score: 4, Informative

      That actually is is a much bigger problem, and Google/Waymo and other researcher have concluded there is no safe way to implement a self driving car if humans have to supervise it and be able to take over in a split second (as per Tesla's fine print) when it does something wrong, such as try to kill you by driving into a concrete median:
      Robot Cars Can’t Count on Us in an Emergency https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

      Elon got it wrong, self driving is a separate problem and you can't get there incrementally by increasing the level of autonomy (think wanting to go to the moon - going farther and farther by car will never get you there):
      People who paid Tesla $3,000 for full self-driving might be out of luck https://arstechnica.com/cars/2...

    3. Re:Some partial feature, not full self driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, you can. But you need to start from the other end.

      Start with automatic breaking to avoid hitting obstacles, including pedestrians and bicycles. Get that perfect. Then automatic stopping when the driver falls asleep. Then add automatic take over and stopping if the car starts swerving out of its lane. Add automatic stopping for red light...

      I.e. let the human drive, and the computer monitor ready to take over at a millisecond notice.

      Once all the safety features are working, all you need is to add the GPS subsystem that tells the car where to go.

  10. Hey Apple, over here.... by seoras · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This, this is courage.

    1. Re:Hey Apple, over here.... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Jobs made beautiful technology but Cook has a beautiful balance sheet.

      It turns out coasting on the past is more profitable than taking risks. For now (this scenario is why interruptors can emerge).

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  11. Re:Tesla? LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stay in your lane, within the speed limit and follow the law.
    99% of motorcycle related fatalities are self inflicted.
    Get it down to half and other people might worry about you too.

  12. Re:Tesla? LOL! by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

    The premise is simply false. Tesla does not have a high rate of recalls. Go here. Punch in "2017 Tesla". Check out the recalls and investigations stats. Now punch in "2017 Mercedes". Note the difference.

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  13. Re:Tesla? LOL! by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Key word is "begin to". And just so you know, the real news is that with the last update, Tesla went in the other direction. It used to be that you could have your hands off the wheel for minutes at a time when conditions were good. After the update it's more like 15-20 seconds. A number of people are complaining.

    BTW, Musk had a comment recently concerning motorcycles.

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  14. Re:Tesla? LOL! by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2

    99% of motorcycle related fatalities are self inflicted.

    A lot of motorcycle accidents happen at road junctions where the bike is not noticed by drivers of larger vehicles crossing its path, or when vehicles change lanes without their drivers properly checking for a bike already in the other lane. You can ride defensively to mitigate some of these risks, but ultimately if a driver in a larger vehicle does something dangerous because they didn't look properly and see you, there is only so much you can do, and you're inherently in a much more vulnerable position on a motorcycle.

    I've heard that the insurance industry likes to argue that motorcyclists are the sole cause of many motorcycle crashes, but then the insurance industry is trying to avoid paying out for the drivers who forced the motorcycles off the road, so it's not exactly neutral here.

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  15. Re: Tesla? LOL! by triffid_98 · · Score: 2

    You are aware that Tesla only makes 3 cars right? They don't even make all that many of them. While I'm aware that AMG (the "faaancy" Mercedes) is a German word that loosely translates as "money pit", this is an unfair comparison.

  16. Re: Tesla? LOL! by triffid_98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry but "squids" negate your entire argument. If you are zipping around people's blind spots in-between lanes of traffic wearing shorts, a t-shirt and a DOT approved helmet I have zero pity for you when you eventually "merge" with a car.

    Even if you are extremely vigilant about checking your corners and adjusting mirrors most modern cars have blind spots.

  17. Re:Tesla? LOL! by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

    My Hondas have had adaptive cruise control for the past few years. They require driver steering wheel input after 10-15 seconds. This is a safety feature, it ensures the driver does not get into the habit of losing focus while behind the wheel.

    I hope it doesn't change until 100% of cars on the road are self driving and the roads themselves (at least the main ones) follow industry standards for autonomous vehicles.

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  18. Re: Tesla? LOL! by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For instance, if Tesla sold 130 cars in 2017 compared to 6400 by Mercedes, then even if Tesla made 5 time less recall, the recall rate would still be 10 time higher than Mercedes.

    That's ... not at all how that works. A recall is typically for an entire model year, not individual vehicles. It doesn't matter if you sell 10 vehicles of that type, or 10 million; you're recalling all of them ergo the recall rate is the same.

  19. Re:Tesla? LOL! by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    You are aware, the current autopilot feature isn't the same as autonomous driving?

    The Autopilot feature was designed for drivers to still be vigilant however with their hands off the wheels, and in essence to keep the car on the road and in its lane, and avoid collision. It still needs a human driver, to regulate its decisions. This feature is nice when you are on a highway and in a safe easy driving condition, and you can help relax your eyes, and refocus yourself, knowing that you car will stay in the lane, and not drive off the road.
    However if you are in an area with traffic, people, construction... You need to be smart enough to drive it yourself.

    Autopilot is a safety feature much like cruse control, which realizes that we as humans have only so much attention that we can work with, and needs a way to relax our minds for a few minutes. So we are better prepared for more advanced problems in the future.

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  20. Re:Tesla? LOL! by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would depend on the business model of the company. Luxury/Sports car makers, will be more likely to do self imposed recalls, because their brand image is based on quality and perception. If they can fix a problem before it becomes an issue, then most likely the customer will not think poorly of the product, and when they get a new one, they will more likely go with the same company again.

    If you are getting a more budget practical car, having a hinge fall of, or a wobbly sun-visor isn't a safety issue, and chances are the customer will not be loyal to that brand as much as the luxury makers. Sure my last two cars were Toyota's however there isn't anything wrong with my next car being a Honda, or some other brand. Being that I expect a particular build quality, which isn't fine tuned, but just acceptable and reliable.

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