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Senate Will Try To Reverse ZTE Deal Via a Must-Pass Defense Bill (politico.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Senate leaders agreed Monday to include language in the annual defense spending bill that would reverse the Trump administration's decision to save Chinese telecommunications company ZTE after it was caught violating the terms of a 2017 penalty agreement by making illegal sales to Iran and North Korea. The language will be part of an amendment in the 2019 National Defense Authorization Act, a $716 billion defense policy bill, H.R. 5515 (115).
If the Senate amendment becomes law, it would automatically reinstate the seven-year prohibition until Trump has certified to Congress that ZTE has met certain conditions. It also would ban all U.S. government agencies from purchasing or leasing telecommunications equipment and/or services from ZTE, a second Chinese telecommunications firm, Huawei, or any subsidiaries or affiliates of those two companies. The amendment language "prohibits the federal government from doing business with ZTE or Huawei or other Chinese telecom companies" and puts the company back on the sanctions list and "holds ZTE accountable for violating their previous commitment," Cotton said. The senators supporting the amendment include Democratic minority leader Chuck Schumer and two Republican Senators -- Sen Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.). "I and obviously every other senator believes the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for their behavior," Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) told reporters after Ross briefed senators on the department's latest ZTE action. "They're a repeat bad actor that should be put out of business. For eight years, ZTE was able to run wild and be able to become the fourth-largest telecom company in the world." If the Senate amendment becomes law, "I would expect there wouldn't be a ZTE," Cotton added.
If the Senate amendment becomes law, it would automatically reinstate the seven-year prohibition until Trump has certified to Congress that ZTE has met certain conditions. It also would ban all U.S. government agencies from purchasing or leasing telecommunications equipment and/or services from ZTE, a second Chinese telecommunications firm, Huawei, or any subsidiaries or affiliates of those two companies. The amendment language "prohibits the federal government from doing business with ZTE or Huawei or other Chinese telecom companies" and puts the company back on the sanctions list and "holds ZTE accountable for violating their previous commitment," Cotton said. The senators supporting the amendment include Democratic minority leader Chuck Schumer and two Republican Senators -- Sen Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.). "I and obviously every other senator believes the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for their behavior," Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) told reporters after Ross briefed senators on the department's latest ZTE action. "They're a repeat bad actor that should be put out of business. For eight years, ZTE was able to run wild and be able to become the fourth-largest telecom company in the world." If the Senate amendment becomes law, "I would expect there wouldn't be a ZTE," Cotton added.
Donald Trump is letting a Chinese company sell hacked phones used as surveillance department for the Chinese government.
The only explanation is that this is part of Trump's surrender to North Korea and China.
How dare they question me. Off with their heads. Fake News.
Why allow Wells Fargo to live?
aisle.
Trying to injure ZTE or Huawei has already done terrible long term damage to US multinationals profits, notably Qualcomm. In the long term it is going to do permanent damage to the whole industry as China (and via licensing or secondarily with help from China, Russia) increases its domestic chip design capabilities and begins requiring domestic sourced chips for both future local and future export electronics. When that happens, since a sizable portion of fabs are already in China/Taiwan, the US/European tech design companies will find their IP worthless, limited to no local production capacity to carry over as the Chinese designs begin limiting availability and driving up prices for fab production in chinese factories, while also undercutting them on both licensing and finished product prices. When that happens the western tech industry will begin to collapse, having long ago eliminated consumer/3rd party developer-friendly products from their lineups.
This mistake is already going to ruin America, but pushing this through righ t now is only going to prove the Party's point about democracy not working, while at the same time providing a finishing blow to the domestic tech industry.
If the Senate amendment becomes law, "I would expect there wouldn't be a ZTE," Cotton added.
Oh nonsense. If they can no longer sell in China, they have a problem. But the U.S.?
Wow, that is wrong.
If someone needs a phone and doesn't get it from ZTE, they will simply buy another brand. And since every phone has a SoC, the number of SoCs sold will remain about the same.
There is no reason at all to support ZTE. They flout US laws, and there are many, many competitors who will be happy to make phones for us while following US law.
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According to the latest ruleset, this post should be modded as Vorpal Flamebait +5.
America cant have this cake and eat it too. The nation insisted on a two-party system that discriminated against independents to guarantee the unilateral ability of the ruling class to dictate the terms of 'freedom' and 'democracy' both at home and abroad. Now, its saddled with an illiterate profiteer as its head of state, and hes doing a rather poor job of keeping the curtain closed on who actually runs america. In other words, America cannot paradoxically insist on trade partners they also consider enemy states. Its almost as beguiling as, say, the american tendency to fight wars for peace.
Good people go to bed earlier.
The RINOs think throwing Trump under the bus will get them reelected.
What about the past year and a half could possibly make you think Trump cares anything about "American jobs"?
Lots...provided that "American job" is being CEO of a large company.
Not like theirs a shorage of cheap cell phones out there.
Killing ZTE doesnâ(TM)t hurt Qualcomm. Any sales ZTE was going to make would end up going to other manufacturers. These manufacturers use Qualcomm too.
Notice a trend with Trump?
antagonize our democratic and traditional allies, while embracing our traditional totalitarian enemies.
If Trump is ok with people like the leader of the Phillipines, Putin, Kim Jong Un, the leader of China, etc, while going out of his way to alienate and criticize the leaders of Europe and Canada, the American people are in big trouble.
Trump is emulating people like Putin, and as long as he is in office and has the support of the Grand Old(fascist) Party, he will continue and ramp it up.
Americans needs to be paying close attention now.
It took Hitler several years after 1933 to do what he did in Germany.
What about my family?
ZTE is going down! Where will the Dollar Store source their phones from now?
I'm just kidding, there's nothing free about this market. Nazi leftists are trying to rig it like the election. Too bad they don't have a spy like Professor Stefan Halper to help them.
I just bought a Huawei M5 tablet and will likely buy a ZTE phone next. What are you libtards going to do about it? Blame Trump for 9-11 like you tried to do with Bush? We all know about the 1993 WTC bombing where the FBI actually confessed to providing the bomb-making materials. That was under the Clinton regime. AE911Truth org
Can't wait to hear reactions from Trump minions. I'm sure Peter Navarro will have some choice words about warm real-estate for the Senators (good thing they aren't also Canadian - whew) for going against Trump. ( Although, the imagery of Senators stabbing Trump in the back sounds a little familiar ... How Similar are Trump and Caesar? )
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
There is no such thing as a Must Pass bill for Trump. He has frequently said he'd be OK with a government shut-down. If you don't kow-tow to him (witness the recent issue with Canada), he'll have a hissy fit, take his ball, and go home (to Mara-lago).
I'm not opposed to this in principle, but isn't it technically a bill of attainer, which, for very good reasons, is unconstitutional?
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
the only reasonable conclusion is that Donald is planning talks with Tehran.
Same mojo - tear up the Obama agreement and get into a rage over nucular then sign a document a year later.
3... 2... 1...
Wow, that is wrong.
If someone needs a phone and doesn't get it from ZTE, they will simply buy another brand. And since every phone has a SoC, the number of SoCs sold will remain about the same.
There is no reason at all to support ZTE. They flout US laws, and there are many, many competitors who will be happy to make phones for us while following US law.
This ^^^.
I've noticed that the "Save Qualcomm, I work there" posters never seem to respond to that obvious point after it is made.
The ZTE conversation on Slashdot is filled with obvious ZTE shills (liars), and I bet none will respond to EndLessNameless's point.
Everyone knows that milk tariffs are the greater threat
He hates China then he loves China then he hates Kim J. U. then he loves Kim then he's against gun background checks then he's for it then he's against it again...
Table-ized A.I.
Trying to injure ZTE or Huawei has already done terrible long term damage to US multinationals profits
And?
Those profits doesn't reach the US, the profit isn't taxed for and doesn't lead to more work in the US.
There is absolutely no reason or obligation to ensure those profits.
If the multinationals wants US protection then maybe they shouldn't have the HQ in Ireland.
It just means that Trump has to certify that they are meeting the conditions of having the sanctions lifted. Like paying that billion dollar fine. The part about the Federal government not buying their products is good. I don't know why it hasn't been a rule for a long time and applied to just about everything. The government (at any level) shouldn't be buying anything from China. Nor should anything Chinese be part of our infrastructure. That's a pretty obvious security issue.
What's this odd amendment crap? The Executive branch has the inherent authority to decide who to prosecute or whether to prosecute or not, But the Congress does not.
An "amendment" to a bill, Or a law Naming a specific person or company such as ZTE and stating that person or company are guilty of a crime or misdeed and/or applying a punishment to a specific company or individual is called a Bill of Attainder, And it is an Unconstitutional action for Congress to try and pass an instrument such as this (US Constitution, Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed.").
Congress is specifically denied the ability to pass a law naming an Individual or Corporation (such as ZTE) and imposing a punishment ---- this authority is reserved to the courts and to the executive; Congress is specifically denied the authority to find anyone guilty of anything -- that's for other branches of government to handle. So I sure hope this gets challenged appropriately.
We know that this isn't treason, because Big Giant Orange Head told us so:
1). BGOH is above the law. That's why he and his flunkies keep talking about BGOH self-pardoning;
2). BGOH is trying to Make China Great Again (MCGA). Why won't you MCGA?'
3). Everything that BGOH says is true, just, kind and it defines the American Way. Anyone who says otherwise is a hater and a loser. BGOH said so!
4). The BGOH administration is all about making friends and allies (North Korea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, all the Best Countries).
5). Enemies (France, Germany, Mexico, Canada, Italy, Belgium, Luxembourg, you know, the Axis of Evil places) must be punished or worse.
6). BGOH is making the world safer by signing nuclear deals. Except when he doesn't sign them (North Korea), or breaks them (Iran), or doesn't have the attention span or work ethic to achieve them (everywhere).
BGOH is a Great Man and deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for reasons. ZTE deserves our support for reasons. Put BGOH in a truck for a photo-op, vroom, vroom! MCGA!!
I'm impressed. Most people would have written "There is no reason at all to support ZTE. They flaunt US laws...".
Kudos to you for getting it right!
They will buy from Huawei, which does not use Qualcomm socs :)
^ for the record, anyone who upvoted that comment is adding another brick to the wall of ignorance that is infinitely more damaging to america than trump's fantasy mexican wall
lucm, indeed.
So, you're saying that the 500 million dollar deal doesn't exist or is a lefty story? [...] But if you want to just strawman
No. I called out the poster on his "fucking piece of neo-fascist enabling shit" comment, that's it. There is nowhere any mention of any deal in my comment, so if at some point you want to see what a real "strawman" is, read your own post.
to whoever modded that guy up: I hope you people are happy with the echo chamber you're building. Pretty soon there won't be discussions on this website, just a bunch of retards high-fiving each other and reacting to inflammatory op-eds. Bravo.
lucm, indeed.
Shut the fuck up, faggot
You don't get to decide that, and the fact that you don't realize it is the real tragedy.
See, you don't have to agree with people; if you want a civilized discussion all you have to do is reply and explain why. Resorting to name-calling, or even worse, modding down opinions you disagree with only leads to creating an environment of intolerance and bigotry.
I always disliked Trump (which I believe is a socipath), but ever since the election I realized that the real danger for america is not him and his clickbait politics, it's the unflinching, relentless zealotry of the liberals which has become as disgusting and malicious as the right-wing witch hunts of the mccarthy era.
Shame on you people. You're not fascist-hunting or nazi-shaming, you're paving the way to a truly horrible society and you know what, big corporations are playing look like a fiddle.
lucm, indeed.