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Comcast Says It Isn't Throttling Heavy Internet Users Anymore (cnet.com)

Comcast, which has been throttling speeds to slow down heavy internet users since 2008, has had a change of heart. From a report: Comcast has deactivated this "congestion management" system, according to an announcement this week. "As reflected in a June 11, 2018 update to our XFINITY Internet Broadband Disclosures, the congestion management system that was initially deployed in 2008 has been deactivated. As our network technologies and usage of the network continue to evolve, we reserve the right to implement a new congestion management system if necessary in the performance of reasonable network management and in order to maintain a good broadband Internet access service experience for our customers, and will provide updates here as well as other locations if a new system is implemented."

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  1. Of course not by camazotz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would they throttle high utilization users when doing so means that they don't hit the arbitrary data caps sooner? It is much more profitable now for Comcast to let people reach that 1 TB limit each month so they can start racking up the $10/50GB charges as quickly as possible.

    1. Re:Of course not by AlanBDee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Wait, if we want ISPs to be treated like a utility then it's it only fair for them that they meter the connection? How much I pay for electricity changes based on when I use it and how much I use. Don't get me wrong, I despise Comcast and their shenanigans but there is a valid argument for IPSs to charge users who use more bandwidth more for the service. When you criticize Comcast for this then you sound unreasonable while I would rather save the pitchforks for when they start shaking down Netflix again for a "priority" lane.

    2. Re:Of course not by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Metered utilities like gas and electric have an actual cost for consuming an actual resource. Even if we are arguing that metering internet is reasonable, it isn't at the level they wish to charge.

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    3. Re:Of course not by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We should be paying per gigabyte and no more than ten times the cost to the ISP.

      So that's like.... $0.00001 per gigabyte for the users?

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    4. Re:Of course not by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      There should be a base price for all the infrastructure, employees, etc. Then a data cost at ten times the ISP cost on top of that.

      That could mean a base cost with no data of $10 per month for 25GBps connections, $20 for 50GBps connections, etc.

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  2. I don't understand why we put up with this by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    we know the ISPs are jerking us around. We know they've got plenty of bandwidth since they'll cheerfully sell it to you for a premium. We also know they're sitting on billions of dollars of cash; much of which was given to them as tax cuts and subsidies for the express purpose of building out their network so they didn't have to do crap like bandwidth caps. This is /., a tech community, so we all know these as facts because half of us our network engineers and the other half are programmers and scientists of one kind or another

    Why the heck don't we just elect the kinds of politicians who will force Comcast to do what we want them to do? We never do. Every year we go to the polls and elect the same batch of anti-consumer clowns. At a certain point we're being complicit in the whole thing.

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    1. Re:I don't understand why we put up with this by Sperbels · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the answer is pretty clear: Because politicians don't do what we want them to do.

      If you have a good solution, I'll subscribe to your newsletter.

    2. Re:I don't understand why we put up with this by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why the heck don't we just elect the kinds of politicians who will force Comcast to do what we want them to do?

      Because someone like that would never run for election. And if they did the reigning political forces would crucify him by any means necessary. You can see it right now. Trump isn't technically a Democrat OR a Republican and he's certainly no politician. Both parties have been doing everything in their power to either oust him or bring him under their control. The reason it hasn't worked is he doesn't care about his political clout only about getting what he wants. Who wants to put themselves and their family through that kind of heartache?

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    3. Re:I don't understand why we put up with this by swb · · Score: 2

      We know they've got plenty of bandwidth since they'll cheerfully sell it to you for a premium.

      It looks to me like the Mercedes dealerships have plenty of cars, too, does that mean they should give them away?

      I don't want to defend Comcast, but you're making a bad argument. Just because there is more of good available at a higher price doesn't mean they need to increase the quantity they provide at a lower price.

      I don't know if there was much if any "need" for Comcast's congestion management system. I have seen many businesses pay for top tier Comcast Business speeds and simply not be able to move bits at the speed they were paying for. Usually they were located in an area that was "residential" in terms of Comcast infrastructure and my guess was their neighborhood aggregation point was oversold In each case Comcast tried to wriggle out of it, but once the tickets got escalated high enough or we got a decent tech on site they'd mostly acknowledge there just wasn't enough backhaul out of that geographical area.

      So my guess Comcast may have had a bonafide interest in discouraging some bandwidth hogs to deal with over-subscription problems *just* as their marketing department was rolling out a ton of ads for higher bandwidth. I'd guess the solution was over-applied and a lot of areas without any contention, though.

      And of course Comcast is surely engaging in all kinds of pricing schemes that maximize revenues and treat bandwidth with artificial scarcity, but that doesn't mean they have some kind of obligation to provide you with more.

  3. The real story by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    They are going to change the system to add throttling capabilities based on traffic type now that net neutrality has been repealed.

  4. this is why net neutrality does not matter by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comcast throttles both sides of the equation. They claim that they did not, then it was discovered that they did, so they had to admit it. Now, they are claiming that they will not throttle. OK. BUT at some point, a lot of traffic will be slowing down their cable. They will then use this as an excuse for why they need to throttle supply side.

    What is needed is to get competition going. Remove the monopoly. Likewise, allow Google and others easy access to public ways.
    Finally, at a federal level, require that all local govs be allowed to put in communications utilities if the local citizens vote it in. IOW, state gov can not override the local gov choices to have this.

    As long as we have gov sponsored monopolies,and esp without proper regulations on performance AND pricing, then we will always be screwed. So, allow competition to take hold and considering the importance of communication between citizens and gov, I would suggest that local gov have a real need to install the fiber, esp last mile, and then allow competition for managing it along with providing services over it.

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  5. Re:..waiting for the other shoe... by SlashGodet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Previously called a "heavy internet user," the data hog now becomes a "blessed cash cow" as the services that stream large amounts of data will soon be tapped to pay users' data bills.

    "We reserve the right to implement a new congestion management system" -- a system that charges those who provide interesting data streams to users -- a system already developed in expectation of the termination of net neutrality regulations.

    With a flick of the switch...

  6. Getting the trains to run on time. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Recently after the Removing Net Neutrality decision was made (Before it went into law) Spectrum bumped its speed from 60mbs to 100mbs. And now after the law went into effect Comcast is stopping its throttling.

    I feel like these companies realize how much we are afraid of ending Net Neutrality, so they are compensating (at the moment) to show how much better life is with out it. ( like how an authoritarian dictator after getting in power, can use his power to force the trains to run on time, to show the public how much life is better with him in power ). Making the public more comfortable about the process only to turn the screws on them slowly later on, when their power has been solidified.

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  7. Re:NBC buys FOX? by tbuddy · · Score: 2

    Fox News and Fox Sports are not part of the deal.

  8. Translation by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks to the lack of Net Neutrality, we're encouraging everyone to use the Internet a bunch right now. Keep using Netflix/AmazonPrime, and strengthen our bargaining position with them. And don't worry about us, internet usage that doesn't strengthen our bargaining position (e.g. peer-to-peer networks or torrents) are about to go away entirely.

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  9. RIP net neutrality by linuxwrangler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since the net neutrality laws expired, the only piece of this to pay attention to is "...we reserve the right to implement a new congestion management system..."

    Who will the new data-hogs be? Netflix? Youtube?

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    1. Re:RIP net neutrality by danomac · · Score: 2

      Windows 10 updates.

  10. How their statement is created by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Policy Change: Increase Profit/Decrease Usability => Lawyer => Public Relations => We're making things better for Users!

    Just like every other large company.

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  11. Re: ..waiting for the other shoe... by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 4, Informative

    You actually think your grandma's bill would go DOWN?

    Oh you sweet summer child.

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  12. Re: ..waiting for the other shoe... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

    Comcast does have a $5 monthly discount available for people who use less then 5 GB of data per month.

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