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Studies Find Evidence That Meditation Is Demotivating (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader shares an excerpt from a report written by behavioral scientists Kathleen D. Vohs and Andrew C. Hafenbrack: The practical payoff of mindfulness [meditation] is backed by dozens of studies linking it to job satisfaction, rational thinking and emotional resilience. But on the face of it, mindfulness might seem counterproductive in a workplace setting. To test this hunch, we recently conducted five studies, involving hundreds of people, to see whether there was a tension between mindfulness and motivation. As we report in a forthcoming article in the journal Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, we found strong evidence that meditation is demotivating.

Some of the participants in our studies were trained in a few of the most common mindfulness meditation techniques. They were instructed by a professional meditation coach to focus on their breathing or mentally scan their bodies for physical sensations, being gently reminded throughout that there was no right or wrong way to do the exercise. Other participants were led through a different exercise. Some were encouraged to let their thoughts wander; some were instructed to read the news or write about recent activities they had done. Then we gave everyone a task to do. Among those who had meditated, motivation levels were lower on average. Those people didn't feel as much like working on the assignments, nor did they want to spend as much time or effort to complete them. Meditation was correlated with reduced thoughts about the future and greater feelings of calm and serenity -- states seemingly not conducive to wanting to tackle a work project.
The studies also found that meditation "neither benefited nor detracted from a participant's quality of work." Furthermore, Vohs and Hafenbrack found that a financial bonus for outstanding performance did not overcome the demotivating effect of mindfulness. "While the promise of material rewards will always be a useful tool for motivating employees, it is no substitute for internal motivation," the report reads.

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  1. Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they just realized that their work assignments weren't very meaningful?

    1. Re:Maybe... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, the hoops in this study were meaningless hoops ...

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    2. Re:Maybe... by war4peace · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait, what?

      Hoops can be meaningless regardless whether or not you have financial gain out of it. One could, in theory, hire you and pay you big bucks (say, a dollar for each time) to press a button that does nothing every 5 to 10 seconds, with failure to do so being grounds for dismissal. It is, by all intents and purposes, meaningless. Being paid makes it lucrative, not meaningful.

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    3. Re:Maybe... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As trite as it sounds, I have found that taking a minute to interrupt a stressful work situation with some “mindfulness” activity seems to help me with work - when I remember to take that minute, anyway.

      Of course the stressors I’m dealing with are almost never directly related to my actual job - but we have a couple of very dysfunctional staffers currently at the top of our org right now, and they seemingly revel in creating messes.

      But, in any case, taking that minute to reset mentally does help me separate myself from the stressful stuff which was distracting me and get my focus back to the work at hand.

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    4. Re:Maybe... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And paying the bills doesn't make you serene. I'm not saying that there is no incentive, I'm saying that an incentive doesn't provide meaning in and of itself, and that's why this is an appropriate way to test the efficacy of meditation.

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    5. Re:Maybe... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As trite as it sounds, I have found that taking a minute to interrupt a stressful work situation with some “mindfulness” activity seems to help me with work - when I remember to take that minute, anyway.

      Trite? O hell no! I have long found the need to step back and clear my mind made me more productive. I suppose the computing equivalent might be called a memory leak that needs a reboot. I have to step away, think about something else for a while, then hop right back into the work. There is a similar aspect of meditation when trying to solve problems. Instead of backing away entirely, you just put the problem on subconscious autopilot while you think about whatever calms you.

      I suppose if a person did the exact same task every day, and started being mindful, they might figure out their job was crap.

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  2. Think about your breathing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You are now breathing manually.

  3. Most jobs are stupid by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think these people just realized the actual value of what they were doing.

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    1. Re: Most jobs are stupid by Black.Shuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I apologize for my arrogant and asinine post. You are correct.

      gweihir

      Fuck man, have some confidence. You're exactly right -- most jobs are completely meaningless.

      Bloat, redundancy, old-boys clubs -- all of this is pervasive in the work-force in general.

      Let's also remind ourselves what we mean by "work-force" -- the thing we built in order to make the Industrial Revolution happen. Such a means of approaching life had never been done before, is long past its use-by date, and today it's biggest export is mentally ill people.

      Our entire education system is built around the life-sapping notion that subjects that serve "industry" must be exulted above the arts. This is nonsense. Life is objectively meaningless, so all subjects are just as "important" as others. In other words, they have exactly the meaning we give them, and if you, gweihir, think that something is meaningless, you're damn well right.

      Meditation is not something I do, but I can certainly see how it can lead people to realise that their jobs are shit, because they really are.

  4. Indeed by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    We can't have people being zen about everything instead of stabbing each other in the back and ratting everybody out to Corporate.

  5. Newsflash! Mediation ... by Qbertino · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... and other pratices of spritiuality and stoicism makes you more chill and less prone to societies rate-race bullshit.

    Next up:
    Eating healthy has you spend less money at fast-food joints!
    Learning a real skill or art has you spend less time watching TV and spending money on pointless tat!
    Regular good sex with a cute sweetheart has you spend less money on expensive brand fashion!

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  6. Clickbait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The title is total clickbait.
    From the article: "Then we tracked everyone’s actual performance on the tasks. Here we found that on average, having meditated neither benefited nor detracted from a participant’s quality of work."

    1. Re:Clickbait by TrekkieGod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      he title is total clickbait. From the article: "Then we tracked everyone’s actual performance on the tasks. Here we found that on average, having meditated neither benefited nor detracted from a participant’s quality of work."

      That's also in the summary, but the point is the quality of the work didn't change, but the quantity of it did, because they lacked motivation.

      Which shouldn't be surprising to anyone. There's a reason you're not in a relaxed state when you have a looming deadline: it's not beneficial to meeting the deadline. Also, there's a reason people abusing drugs to get shit done use amphetamines and other stimulants. You want to be focused and hyped, not calm and relaxed.

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  7. Meditation is SUPPOSED to be demotivating by Dosgatosmuertos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMHO - Meditation viewed in a vacuum sans underlying Buddhist philosophy is incoherent, but unfortunately common. The Buddha taught that the point of meditation is to achieve awakening, which is done though the reduction of craving and aversion. By reducing ones fear of failure or desire for success one becomes more free from the suffering inexorably associated with fleeting pursuits, though they are arguably the primary drivers of our economic system. Motivation to pursue things that don't really increase your happiness (i.e. working like a dog to please your boss or to avoid feeling like a loser or to buy a Lambo) will dissipate the more one has the focus to see what really matters in life, which is what meditation will lead to if done correctly. Yet again, the NYT misses the point!

  8. demotivation by gordona · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When one spends time doing meditation, one can start to see how stupid things are in the world around us. That can be demotivating. BUT, it can also open up new paradigms. Sitting still, doing nothing (except breathing of course), there is a lot of noise in our heads. After a while (time frame indeterminant), the noise subsides and often a clear idea emerges about a path to follow. Such an activity is similar to doing software development when an difficult problem is encountered. Getting away from the problem and maybe taking a quiet walk reveals the source and the solution to the problem.

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