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Shots Fired Again Between CPU Vendors AMD and Intel (tomshardware.com)
Highdude702 shares a report from Tom's Hardware: AMD's feud with Intel took an interesting turn today as the company announced that it would swap 40 Core i7-8086K's won from Intel's sweepstakes with a much beefier Threadripper 1950X CPU. At Computex 2018, Intel officially announced it was releasing the Core i7-8086K, a special edition processor that commemorates the 40th anniversary of the 8086, which debuted as the first x86 processor on June 8, 1978. Now AMD is offering to replace 40 of the winners' chips with its own 16-core 32-thread $799 Threadripper processors, thus throwing a marketing wrench into Intel's 40th-anniversary celebration.
AMD has a list of the complete terms and conditions on its site. But it is also noteworthy that "winners" of AMD's competing sweepstakes will have to pony up for a much more expensive X399 motherboard with the TR4 socket, which currently retail for more than $300, instead of Intel's less-expensive 300-series motherboards. Regardless, those who do swap their Intel Core silicon for an AMD Threadripper chip will gain 10 cores and quad-channel memory, not to mention quite a bit of resale value. In response, Slashdot reader Highdude702 said: "AMD is shooting back at Intel like its easy for them, even though 40 out of 8086 is kind of stingy. They are acting like they have the horsepower now. I believe it is going to be an interesting time for consumers and enthusiasts coming soon. Maybe we will even get better prices."
Intel responded via its official verified "Intel Gaming" Twitter account, tweeting: ".@AMDRyzen, if you wanted an Intel Core i7-8086K processor too, you could have just asked us. :) Thanks for helping us celebrate the 8086!"
AMD has a list of the complete terms and conditions on its site. But it is also noteworthy that "winners" of AMD's competing sweepstakes will have to pony up for a much more expensive X399 motherboard with the TR4 socket, which currently retail for more than $300, instead of Intel's less-expensive 300-series motherboards. Regardless, those who do swap their Intel Core silicon for an AMD Threadripper chip will gain 10 cores and quad-channel memory, not to mention quite a bit of resale value. In response, Slashdot reader Highdude702 said: "AMD is shooting back at Intel like its easy for them, even though 40 out of 8086 is kind of stingy. They are acting like they have the horsepower now. I believe it is going to be an interesting time for consumers and enthusiasts coming soon. Maybe we will even get better prices."
Intel responded via its official verified "Intel Gaming" Twitter account, tweeting: ".@AMDRyzen, if you wanted an Intel Core i7-8086K processor too, you could have just asked us. :) Thanks for helping us celebrate the 8086!"
I need Intel for TSX and HLE. When AMD supports these features, it will be a beautiful day for me!
No mass shooting? Thank god! Horrible title though.
Give me a SECURE CPU without your fucking backdoors and incompetent bullshit instead of talking shit constantly, you fucking retards.
From the title, did anyone else think some employee went on a shooting spree at their competitor?
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
It's you who's missing the point. Intel makes fun of AMD by saying they wanted the Intel CPUs so badly... it's PR and the whole world is watching. They can't talk crap about their competition. Making lighthearted fun of them is the way to go.
That would be newsworthy on its own. So no, a AMD CPU+mobo compared to Intel CPU+mobo of same performance is simply cheaper.
Back in the day when AMD first released their Opteron CPU (Codename Sledgehammer), they had some demo motherboards called AMD Melody. On the silkscreen of that motherboards there was indeed a melody - actually the "Intel inside" jingle score with a sledgehammer hanging over it.
And now, still remembering this, I feel really old.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Dude, Intel intel isn't in a position to talk crap. Or rather that's all they can do because they have squat to compete with, and everyone but the terminally stupid knows it.
Did you see that ridiculous "5 GHz" demo they made at Computex? Allegedly coming "soon" to market. Oh wait it's not, they "forgot" to tell it was a 1kW+ overclocked abortion on a custom 28 phase VRM, with an industrial 1kW water-cooler keeping the coolant at sub-ambient, most probably -10 C. A several years old CPU at that which normally sells for 10k+ USD?
That's desperation right there. Intel have emptied the cupboards, they have nothing left. Anything new will take years to come to market.
A wooden baseball bat to the head? You think Intel cares about some insurgent buzzing around at one of their promo events?
The entire summary is incoherent. Was it written by some dude that was high or something?
. . . commodity processors are marketed as 4 GHz devices, and premium processors are marketed as 5 GHz devices.
All Intel has to do is rest on the laurels of their market share. It doesn't cost them much to let their salescritters tussle with the AMD salescritters.
"Resale value" for now. The Intel chips will become collectible though
No I think they got the point perfectly. I am no Intel fan but if I was them this is exactly how I would be spinning it too. "Our CPU's are so good even our competitor is giving away its top end CPU's to get ahold of them"
As much as I love AMD, it was actually a really dumb move on the part of AMD, as long as Intel are smart and humerous about their responses AMD can only lose from this or at best break even.
INTEL responses "our CPU's so great even our competitors will throw away their own to get one"
If AMD destroy the CPU's "wow what a waste, those could have been used for charity, don't worry though we will donate additional CPU's to a childrens hospital to cover what AMD were too tight arsed to do"
AMD give them away "Not even AMD is willing to use AMD cpu's in their prizes"
AMD keep them for testing "AMD so desperate to keep up they had to bribe prize winners to get ahold of one of these"
etc etc, the cheap easy marketing points AMD get in the short term may come back to bite them hard if Intel is smart.
The best part about the demo is definitely the huge power on the cooler, which is better expressed in horsepower than watts.
Honestly, because of the stagnation in processor speed, I wouldn't be super shocked if at some point we do see coolers as powerful as lawnmowers for some specialty gaming applications actually poke their nose into the market.
Businesses are already beginning to switch over to EPYC.
No they really aren't. At least not in any significant way, it takes multiple generations of hardware to win over larger enterprises and AMD still have to prove themselves in the longhaul, enterprises don't switch just because one gen happens to be better. I hope AMD are on a winning streak but it will take at least a 2-3 more years of them maintaining a significant advantage to have a real market impact.
If you'd wanted a serious computer you'd've shelled out for that. Instead you got wintendo.
Now shut up and celebrate your 40 years of wintendo. You wanted it, you got it, you had better like it.
Highly doubt that. We're just looking at piloting an Epyc processor but everything will continue to be Intel until we can be absolutely sure everything is compatible and cost savings are actually worth it.
When you configure a $25000 server $500 in savings doesn't matter much.
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AMD's own goals are lofty and even they are only shooting for mid single digit market share by end of 2018. Even that would be astounding given they were just over 1% in 2017. Businesses aren't and won't be switch for some time yet, AMD need to succeed for at least a full hardware lifecycle to prove themselves.
I don't care about the specs, I still wouldn't swap an Intel for an AMD.
Incipiamus, fratres, servire Domino Deo, quia hucusque vix vel parum in nullo profecimus.
haha, yeah, exactly. The best way to respond to a direct attack is typically to deflect it in some way. If Intel gets angry, then it only validates AMD's attack. But if they laugh it off, it belittles AMD.
Incipiamus, fratres, servire Domino Deo, quia hucusque vix vel parum in nullo profecimus.
Ecosystem is king.
AMD need to invest in getting OpenCL support into machine learning frameworks. Nvidia have that market locked up -tight- and it's not good for innovation. Like, they're able to deliberately cripple geforce fp16 performance with zero ramifications.
Also no Spectre or Meltdown problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afwIZDtrRj4 ;-)
epyc has more pci-e lanes with 1 cpu.
Say you want an storage node with a lot of I/O say pci-e storage then with just 1 amd cpu you get 128 pci-e lanes vs UP to 48 lanes. And intel can be like the high end desktop and make some low end chips in the range have as low as 16-24 lanes
We're positive you'll understand the spectre of such a request would not bode well with management.
The i7-8086K is a 40 year anniversary of the 8086 CPU.
40 years of only incremental upgrades to a crap ISA. It is still what is holding the x86-64 platform back.
I can't wait for AArch64, or even RISC-V, to become mainstream.
(posted from a PC with an intel i7 :-P )
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
Businesses are already beginning to switch over to EPYC.
No they really aren't. At least not in any significant way, it takes multiple generations of hardware to win over larger enterprises and AMD still have to prove themselves in the longhaul, enterprises don't switch just because one gen happens to be better. I hope AMD are on a winning streak but it will take at least a 2-3 more years of them maintaining a significant advantage to have a real market impact.
I just checked that the L8s_v2 and L16s_v2 (L series v2) has popped up on my VM size selection on my Azure dashboard. Those specifically use AMD EPYC 7551 processors. So yeah, EPYC has already entered production environment in Azure
They should have ignored it. Streisand effect - I didnâ(TM)t know about either promotion but now I know about both.
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No? ... Corporate wars are sooo booooring. Can't we have a fatal Godzilla attack or something?
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
no ignoring it allows AMD to have a free point and it is much harder to reign in the effect if their stunt takes has a media effect after the fact. humour defuses and diminishes the point. Publicity at this point does no damage to them as they come across as handling it well and as confident that it isn't a major threat. would definitely score this one as an Intel win due to how they handled it.
Yes much cleaner and more efficient processors could be designed now, but getting everyone to switch is not going to happen soon.
"AMD is shooting back at Intel like its easy for them"
In a way, Intel folks deserve it. They had the horsepower and acted with tiny, neglible incremental updates for ages. Then AMD puts on the table a 16-core/32-thread CPU and an architecture able to compete with intel in laptops.
I cannot wait for manufacturer to broaden their catalogues with more AMD laptops... and wait for the price battle.
Lighten up Francis.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Microsoft specifically announced the L series as INTEL XEON E5 v3's. So either they got their own announcement wrong or you got your information confused.
will have to pony up for a much more expensive X399 motherboard with the TR4 socket
Doesn't matter, they will not be able to afford the RAM anyways :)
playing the long game here.. going to save those traded anniversary intel chips to resell after they (unlike other mainstream processors) appreciate in value as collectors items.
wont be buyng usa anymore
enjoy
We've had more than a couple reports of people actually being shot at work lately; this headline was in poor taste. When I see a headline here that starts with "shots fired" I expect it's likely to be followed with a body count.
I'd suggest getting some fresh air away from the internet and news media talking heads.
Microsoft specifically announced the L series as INTEL XEON E5 v3's. So either they got their own announcement wrong or you got your information confused.
L Series yes, L Series v2 uses EPYC
Corporation don't care about hardware and certainly don't wait for generations. Corporations focus on cost. They swap servers and swap vendors on a regular basis. So if AMD has the product they need, they'll drop Intel.
When you configure a $25000 server $500 in savings doesn't matter much.
And that about sums up AMD vs Intel. Same as the last time AMD had a performance edge. They picked up some market share from people trying to save money ... and the large majority of corporate marched right on by the whole thing. I know I (in my corporate persona) did. I know we will again unless something profound changes.
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Boy talk about missing the point....
The only one missing the point is you. This isn't so much as missing a point as it is taking a point with a marketing tactic and reversing it against a competitor.
Go somewhere else to concern troll.
Calm down (but only if you elect to) and head to your padded, soft-lit, safe space room in a conflict-free environment where vegan cookies and non-gmo soy milk will be served. Your daily serving of brain-neutering medication will be waiting for you of course. /s
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Friend, you can doubt as much as you want. But I think it's funny how you can say even you are looking at piloting EPYC and at the same time maintain that nothing is going to change.
Also, you're still conveniently forgetting that eventually inertia is going to stop carrying you forward. Or are you still seeing an awful lot of IBM gear? That's what happens in the long run once you stop competing. And that's the takeaway from the Taipei show, it was essentially Intel saying "we've got nothing".
indeed, shows how not in touch with reality they are at intel.
It's you who's missing the point. Intel makes fun of AMD by saying they wanted the Intel CPUs so badly... it's PR and the whole world is watching. They can't talk crap about their competition. Making lighthearted fun of them is the way to go.
It honestly couldn't have been worst than Intel's PR stunt at Computex with a server processor, and trying to pass it off as a desktop product.
Boy talk about missing the point....
The only one missing the point is you. This isn't so much as missing a point as it is taking a point with a marketing tactic and reversing it against a competitor.
There were points made from both AMD and Intel. I'm surprised no one saw both. In hindsight it really doesn't matter. Both companies made bad PR stunts. It's just the usual competition.
And that about sums up AMD vs Intel. Same as the last time AMD had a performance edge. They picked up some market share from people trying to save money
So, do they perform better, or are they cheaper? Your argument immediately says both as if they are mutually exclusive.
Translation: You had to defend Intel... somehow... anyway you could... making no sense is one of those ways.
"His name was James Damore."
That was not the contention.
Nobody said everyone was going to jump in with both feet in the AMD boat right, exactly just now, the contention was that there is a movement towards AMD. Few are switching right now, but there are pilots, case studies, considerations of those etc. Previously there was nothing. The process has started.
It might stop again, but then Intel has to pull something spectacular out of their hat, and judging by the demo previously mentioned, they are out of rabbits.
I'm not that old (yet, I keep telling myself), but even I can come up with at least three huge corporations who thought owned their business and couldn't fail. IBM, Digital and 3COM. Maybe you could enlighten me on their current status in the relevant markets? I'm sure you could tack on a few more yourself if you tried to.
We've had more than a couple reports of people actually being shot at work lately; this headline was in poor taste. When I see a headline here that starts with "shots fired" I expect it's likely to be followed with a body count.
This entire post could've been replaced with, "Teh gunz!!! Oh noes!!!!"
May I suggest another employer? You *are* an employee, right? I've heard American companies suck to work for, but actually shooting people was something I only thought happened in totalitarian prison camps.
Only if you have Aspergers. The post was hilarious and you AMD fangirls getting butthurt over it only sweetens the deal.
She fell funny
Intel have emptied the cupboards, they have nothing left.
Oh boy, Have you hit the nail on the head right there. The engineering in Intel has hit a super low point in enthusiasm. The 10nm scale took a serious toll on the group and it's not even out of lab yet. Figuring a way to mass produce 10nm is a lot harder than a lot of folks had planned on. Then IBM is over there with their 10nm process and that was just a super gut punch to a lot. Add in the whole Spectre and Meltdown and how resources got pulled over the place for that... Yeah, Intel is seriously struggling, not just outside but within too. There's a lot of folks who just want to stop the current path and go down something different, but there's too much pressure to make a window for next gen. Someone has got to put a foot down at some point and get things back on track and that might mean some hard losses, but hell it'd be better than what Intel is currently doing.
No, I'm pretty sure you're missing the point: this is about marketing, and Intel nothing to gain and everything to lose by arguing with AMD.
Not because AMD is better. As a matter of fact the Intel CPU is faster for desktop workloads.
Intel is avoiding a debate because the publicity would give AMD credibility.
People getting a desktop i7 are unlikely to want or need a workstation processor that targets different workloads.
"You can have our workstation processor that requires more expensive motherboard and cooling, will need more memory sticks (4 channel), will use more power, generate more heat, and will be worse at games", seems like a good chance they'll need to find another way to get rid of their old stock.
Regardless, those who do swap their Intel Core silicon for an AMD Threadripper chip will gain 10 cores and quad-channel memory, not to mention quite a bit of resale value.
Not to mention the lack of Meltdown.
Oh the irony.
Shots were fired between Intel and AMD, but as usual it is Security that got gunned down in the process.
When are we going to get robust and secure CPUs?
they have squat to compete with
I think you're forgetting about thread performance. Unless you can fully utilize 16 cores (gamers and casual desktop users generally can't), the 8086 actually performs better than AMD's replacement.
I think you're missing the context. The context for the "demo" was that Intel tried to steal AMD's 32-core Threadripper thunder with their stupid OC 28 core, and it backfired spectacularly.
This isn't about the desktop as such, it's about the high end, and what's (not) in the pipeline. AMD is happily leveraging their zen architecture and getting crazy yields compared to what Intel gets, while Intel... has an OC'd to hell 2 year old (IIRC) 28 core part which needs absolutely retarded amounts of cooling, and that apparently was the best they could come up with. That's the problem, and that's why they can't compete.
AMD may have many cores but they suck balls with their single-core performance. Intel is better. I am not AMD hater but for multiple slow cores I could simply buy a bunch of 10 year old CPUs for a few bucks.
Well said
Ryzen 2xxx series has almost fixed that. Figure by 2020 they will be ahead. Currently they're ahead in some cases on single thread already.
You might have a 5 digit uid but you ain't that old. My first AMD was a nintendo cartridge, The Slot A as it was called. That was one hellacious upgrade from my Cyrix cpus. You remember Cyrix, dontcha? The whippersnappers won't and they can stay the hell off my lawn!
Summary says AMD is replacing a 40 core CPU with a 16 core CPU - I think the author of the summary should do some fact checking. I think the mistake is that the 8086K is a 10 core CPU.
BTW: anyone else think AMD erred in calling their CPU a ThreadRipper? A threadripper is a sewing tool, used to cut the threads in, for example, a hem - it's used when you need to let down the hem on a skirt or trousers - doesn't sound anywhere near as exciting as a bulldozer :-)
I hope the Core i7 8086k is actually just 8086k 8086 processors linked together.
Slot A was an early Athlon interface, nothing whatsoever to do with nintendo. Slashdot really has gone down the flusher.
I still have an AMD a80286-16 sitting here, in a motherboard, doubt it runs.
Is it just me or is the summary completely incoherent and totally hard to understand?
Nothing is better expressed in hp than watts. Not even v8 muscle car engines. Not even horses. This horse is 0.9 hp, that horse is 1.1 hp. No fucking sense.
Everything is optimized for Intel. There are some applications that use Intel-specific processor opcodes that AMD doesn't handle nearly as quickly especially in CAD and HPC, sure eventually AMD will emulate the behavior but they always seem behind. One such things is VM's - since everything is Intel, you have to stay with Intel or stay with AMD if you want to migrate between hypervisors. Migrating to AMD platform for a cluster suddenly requires both downtime and/or chucking all your "old" machines but AMD has also been behind on SR-IOV and other virtualization features.
AMD is good for gamers and office desktops, their server stuff has always been behind. Until Epyc, they were stuck on DDR3 and even to this day they still sell Opteron (DDR3) chips. Their Epyc stuff finally gets into massive numbers of cores but it's not any cheaper than Intel's offering. Intel Xeon has had SR-IOV GPUs on-die for a while (KVM allows you to share up to 8 dedicated GPUs per CPU). There are all those little things that add up to AMD being written off in the server market.
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Even if AMD wins, they will still lose in the long run because any hit that intel takes that is big enough to be reflected in it's stock price will be amplified in AMD's stock price. It's happened before.
As usual, you're an asshat.
"It is still what is holding the x86-64 platform back"
Does that say AMD64?
Stay classy, trumptard.
VM farms are currently very motivated to throw in some AMD cpus due to spectre/meltdown overhead. AMD has a very limited window to get a foothold before Intel releases fixed silicon. But given many businesses felt burned by Opteron looking initially good and then AMD not following up well, there's probably resistance for large investments.
All AMD needs to say now is: 'That is just pure speculation on intels part'. ;)
All AMD needs to say now is: 'That is just pure speculation on intels part, we are getting to the root of the problem and protecting the innocent from un-patched flawed insecure cpu's'.
FTFM
"Dude, Intel intel isn't in a position to talk crap."
Of course they can. Intel gave away 8K processors, AMD response was to offer to swap 0.5% of them with their CPU.
That says a lot about their market positions, and places this "shot" more in the "aww, how cute, at least they tried" category.
"But if they laugh it off, it belittles AMD."
Particularly effective when your competitor offers to replace 0.5% of the items you just gave away.
Saying that you would have given them one if they asked, belittles it in multiple ways.
That is exactly what Intel did for a number of years. Does anybody else think it's suspicious that 2017 is the first time in many years that Intel brought us a significant increase in the performance of desktop and laptop processor by increasing their core counts? (Desktop and H-series laptops went from four cores to six; U-series laptops went from two cores to four.) Has Intel actually been able to do this for a while, but held back until Ryzen forced their hand?
No I think you're missing the context. The "demo" that was mentioned is a strawman. The OP is about AMD replacing CPUs in an 8086 giveaway.