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China Won't Solve the World's Plastics Problem Any More (wired.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: For a long time, China has been a dumping ground for the world's problematic plastics. In the 1990s, Chinese markets saw that discarded plastic could be profitably recreated into exportable bits and bobs -- and it was less expensive for international cities to send their waste to China than to deal with it themselves. China got cheap plastic and the exporting countries go rid of their trash.

But in November 2017, China said enough. The country closed its doors to contaminated plastic, leaving the exports to be absorbed by neighboring countries like Vietnam, South Korea, and Thailand. And without the infrastructure to absorb all the waste that China is rejecting, the plastics are piling up. Between now and 2030, 111 million metric tons of trash -- straws, bags, water bottles -- will have nowhere to go, according to a paper published in Science Advances on Wednesday. That's as if every human on Earth contributed a quarter of their body mass in mostly single-use plastic polymers to a massive, abandoned pile of garbage.

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  1. WALL-E by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    without the infrastructure to absorb all the waste that China is rejecting, the plastics are piling up

    Sorting and re-processing the heaps might be a job for AI.

    1. Re:WALL-E by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish it were easier to repair stuff these days. A lot of things that are in otherwise good shape except for a single fatal bad part results in having the toss the entire thing; it's cheaper to buy a new one than pay for repairs.

      And they are often only designed to last 3 years. We have a Japanese-brand microwave oven from the late 90's that still works and is used often. You don't see durability like that now. [Insert git-off-my-lawn joke here.]

    2. Re:WALL-E by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Sorting and re-processing the heaps might be a job for AI.

      Well, your title says it all . . . the Chinese could build another Great Wall with the heaps of plastic!

      Or another Terracotta Coke Bottle Army.

      Actually my personal favorite work of Chinese Architecture was the "Rainbow Bridge". A new one made of colored plastic and illuminated by Rave Lights would be interesting.

      And what about some plastic Admiral Zheng He's Giant Ships . . . ? If you don't like 'em, you can sink them to create artificial reefs and islands.

      Hey, maybe someone in the US is in the market for a "Great Big Wall" . . . ?

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    3. Re:WALL-E by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Part of it is back then consumers expected things to last longer such that manufacturers payed more attention to durability and repair-ability.

      For one, products were relatively more expensive. If you pay a lot for something, you kind of expect it to last a while. The "disposable" mentality had not kicked in yet. You had well known and long living brands like Maytag and Hoover that had a reputation for lasting. Now the brands come and go like stray cats.

      A combination of automation and China's low manufacturing costs, perhaps due to subsidies to gain market share, made replacement costs less than repair casts such that the consumer was pretty much forced to choose replacement over repair. And if something is cheap enough, you are less upset if it breaks or is hard to repair.

    4. Re:WALL-E by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      It's called Continuation Engineering. I worked for a major appliance controls OEM. There are engineers within the company whose job is to cave cents of cost off of $4 controls and components. If it lasts too long, it's a candidate for cost reduction engineering.

    5. Re:WALL-E by mikael · · Score: 2

      Agreed. The worst offender are headphones with a built-in cable and connector. Due to wear and tear, the wire in the cables always ends up failing, or maybe it's that very thin piece of wire connecting the cable to the headphone. But once that cable has gone, the whole headphone set has to be thrown out; speakers, rare-earth magnets, plastic and cable. Bluetooth headphones are a bit better, but DJ style headphones have an extra connector to allow the cable to be replaced.

      For appliances like washing machines, the manufacturers are constantly improving the electronics and software. So the obsolencence is built in.

      Another example are those universal remote controls which never seem to be programmed for the latest brands of TV's and cable/satellite boxes, even after cycling through every of the thousands of code numbers. Those should have a SD card.

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    6. Re: WALL-E by triffid_98 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am perhaps China's worst nightmare, outside of the great orange one. I'm fairly handy and I use "The power of Grayskull...I mean Craigslist/eBay before buying new things".

      The problem is that parts availability for most old repairable things is fading fast. There is only so much welding and epoxy can do. Eventually you need repair parts and they're largely gone for the old stuff. There are exceptions (you can buy replacements for pretty much anything on a 1960s era Ford Mustang) but in most cases you're going to be SOL at some point because some stupid little $2 part breaks 30 years after the fact. When the modern equivalent can't even last 10 that makes me a saaaad panda. That said, I still have many perfectly functional mechanical things dating back to well before I was alive and electronics dating back to 1977, many of which have required no repairs ever. They just work.

      No matter how many baby seals (zero) were clubbed to death to make these things how can you imagine an "environmentally friendly" modern equivalent is actually friendlier than a thing that (given a few replacement parts) will literally last forever?

      That's not to say that everything lasted forever in the "before time" but you had a choice. You could buy cheap garbage or things that cost a bit more and would last. Now you can spend infinity dollars and still end up with stuff that won't last.

  2. Burn it by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, really. The recycle process is as follows - Reduce, Reuse, Recycle (in that order).

    No one cares to reduce or reuse. Ok, fine. Then recycle it back to usable form of energy; burn it!

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    1. Re:Burn it by Woldscum · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One company uses 70%+ of all the bags recycled in the US. They claim the average deck uses 140K bags.

      https://www.trex.com/why-trex/...

    2. Re:Burn it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      in australia, they mix it with tar, and make new roads that are 60% plastic, and last longer too, if theres one place you want plastic to last for 1000s of years, is a damn road.

    3. Re:Burn it by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      in australia, they mix it with tar,

      No they don't. There are precisely 300meters worth of roads in Australia made with recycled plastic as a technology trial that one small startup did this year. I'll get to why below:

      and make new roads that are 60% plastic, and last longer too, if theres one place you want plastic to last for 1000s of years, is a damn road.

      All roads are made up of a large portion of plastic. However none of it is recycled. The quality of the plastic is precisely controlled and adjusted to suit the conditions of the road surface, both in load, preparation and environment. Also roads break down due to wear and external damage. All roads would last a shitload of time if people didn't drive on them, and if they weren't subjected to extreme temperature changes. It is incredibly hard to make roads to suit conditions which is precisely why the formulation doesn't rely on just recycling some garbage, but rather is a tightly controlled mix of polymers to suit the product.

      There's something strange about talking about plastic waste that brings out some wild theories.

  3. Send it to Sweden by xpiotr · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are running out of garbage, for real.
    In the end they will burn it controlled for heating.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/...

  4. Did they ever solve it? by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure to what extend they were really "solving" the problem. I'm guessing that a lot of what gets sent to China for recycling ends up in a landfill where it's out of sight and mind from the Western world. As China continues to industrialize and build its economy they're probably running out of cheap labor that can handle it, whether that means actually recycling it or just finding somewhere to bury or dump it.

    On the other hand, we might eventually not want to recycle all of our plastic. Eventually we'll stop burning oil and other fossil fuels (as we move to solar and electric power for more and more things) and plastic is a convenient way to sequester carbon. We could even bury it in old mine shafts or find other places to store it where it won't leach into the ground water or get eaten by marine wildlife. Presumably we'll even start scrubbing it from the atmosphere, but we have to do something with it.

    1. Re:Did they ever solve it? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not sure to what extend they were really "solving" the problem. I'm guessing that a lot of what gets sent to China for recycling ends up in a landfill where it's out of sight and mind from the Western world.

      This is basically the current situation with electronic waste - it is shipped to third-world countries for "reprocessing". Once it arrives there, any recyclable components may or may not be removed before the carcass is dumped in whatever spot is most convenient.

      When one of those countries closes its borders to additional trash (as has happened here, with plastics), then the source countries start looking for another third-world country they can pay to receive it rather than spend the money to truly address the problem.

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  5. Plastic OUT, Plastic IN by devslash0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Somehow they don't see a problem with exporting all that plastic in the form of cheap toys and electronics in the first place, eh? Man up, show some responsibility and start dealing with the problem you yourself have created.

  6. Because China has enough of it by hackingbear · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why would China allow importing other countries' garbage? That would amount to treason. That's because it was the WTO concession imposed upon China in exchange for them getting access to the world market at lower tariff. So while we are complaining "unfair trade" with China and ridiculing their environment problem, we must feel shameful about ourselves -- China (and other poor third world countries) had to sell out their environment in order to survive economically while we have ripped the benefits of a clean environment, something that our politicians and media never want to mention. Get down from your moral high horse!

  7. Re:How many Americans is that? by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

    When it comes to plastic waste, the opposite is actually true. This is because most of such waste is packaging.

    If you were to ever go to a market in poor countries, one of the first things you'll note is that when you buy your daily products, they come in daily doses, packaged as such. Tiny shampoo packages, tiny soap packages, tiny deodorant, etc. Even food is commonly sold packaged as "this is your portion for the next meal".

    This is because people in poor countries can't afford to pay for a bottle that will last them a month. That's a month you have to pay up front. Poor overwhelmingly live day to day, and products are portioned to match this need.

    So for the same amount of product, you get order(s) of magnitude more plastic waste. Which is why the plastic garbage problem is far worse in Pacific and primarily originates from poor countries on the West end of Pacific.

  8. Re:Dirty! by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

    Not actually the problem; it isn't individual plastics being contaminated but rather the joke of "single stream" recycling. A couple things in a truckload of recyclables can contaminate it sufficiently that it isn't worth sorting. At those kinds of numbers the answer is to get rid of single use plastics (and papers).

  9. I hate plastic by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate plastic. The feel of it, the look of it, how quickly it breaks down with use. I've been slowly and surely eliminating plastic wares from my life for years. Moving to metal mixing bowls, glass bowls for storing things instead of tupperware, saving and re-using glass jars for storage instead of ziplock bags. I have a stainless steel milkshake cup I use for most of my beverages, instead of the typical american giant plastic cup with a sports team name on it. You know, simple changes.
    The main thing that spurred all this was probably a mixing bowl.
    I had a set of white plastic mixing bowls, and at some point I had to store some tomato based pasta sauce in one, after which, no matter how much I washed it, it was forever tinted orange. It just looked gross, and sparked the realization that; if the damn plastic bowl was so porous as to be permanently stained by tomato sauce, what the hell else might it have soaked up, and/or leached out of it?
    After that, whenever I get a chance, I buy a stainless steel or glass version. Sure, costs more and will take longer to acquire some items, but I figure its worth it.
    It all reminds me of the humorous observation:
    At what point, did drilling an oil well in the middle east, pumping out that oil, putting the oil on a ship, sail that oil filled ship across the ocean, unloading the oil in America, piping it to a refinery, refining it into some form of plastic, trucking that plastic to a factory, forming that plastic into an object, boxing that object up, putting that box into another truck and trucking it to a warehouse, then from the warehouse to a store, from the store to your house, to be opened, used once, and then thrown away, ALL BECOME EASYER THAN WASHING THE FUCKING FORK.

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    1. Re:I hate plastic by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

      At what point, did drilling an oil well in the middle east, pumping out that oil, putting the oil on a ship, sail that oil filled ship across the ocean, unloading the oil in America, piping it to a refinery, refining it into some form of plastic, trucking that plastic to a factory, forming that plastic into an object, boxing that object up, putting that box into another truck and trucking it to a warehouse, then from the warehouse to a store, from the store to your house, to be opened, used once, and then thrown away, ALL BECOME EASYER THAN WASHING THE FUCKING FORK.

      When minimum wage was enacted. Not saying we should drop minimum wage. Europe's solution is to make people pay the entire cost of disposing of that plastic fork. That makes it cheaper to pay somebody to wash dishes.

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    2. Re:I hate plastic by willy_me · · Score: 2

      if the damn plastic bowl was so porous as to be permanently stained by tomato sauce, what the hell else might it have soaked up, and/or leached out of it?

      All plastic is porous - if not washed right away it eventually absorbs whatever it is in contact with. Interesting fact, you know PEX water pipe that is used in newer house builds? It is made of plastic and works great. However, standard PEX is not used for in-floor heating applications. The reason why is that oxygen can travel though the PEX and cause rust within the closed heating system. To prevent this they use a PEX that contains a internal layer of aluminum foil. Because to stop oxygen (or any other gas), you can not rely on plastic.

  10. It's time to dump CCC! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cheap Chinese Crap needs to go!

    1. Re:It's time to dump CCC! by evil_aaronm · · Score: 2

      There would be no cheap Chinese crap if people didn't buy it.

  11. we need to find a way to recycle it by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    i seen where shredded plastic was mixed with hot asphalt and roads and parking lots paved with it, i seen where old tires were converted in to rubber mats of various sizes. so with a little imagination i am sure plastic can be recycled in to something usable

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  12. Awesome! by dbrueck · · Score: 2

    I love reports like this. Some people are going to say that government regulation is the way to go and that people should cut back on consumption, etc. Maybe that's true to some extent, I dunno.

    But really, I hope most people see this as a huge opportunity and that it lures creative entrepreneurs. That's how these problems are most effectively solved, and somebody is going to get absurdly rich off it, and I'm excited to see what they come up with. Don't bury it, don't send it to the sun, but find some way to make it useful again.

  13. I guarantee the plastic will have somewhere to go. by Distan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Between now and 2030, 111 million metric tons of trash -- straws, bags, water bottles -- will have nowhere to go

    Unless the laws of conservation of mass are to be repealed I guarantee that plastic will go somewhere. Therefore, by definition, it will have somewhere to go.

  14. Thank god! by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If solving the world's plastic problems meant dumping it in the Yangtze river thank god!

    The out of sight out of mind policies of 1st world countries, off loading their environmental responsibilities on to countries that are least able to deal with it has to stop, it's an hypocrisy the world's ecosystem can no longer afford