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Space is Full of Dirty, Toxic Grease, Scientists Reveal (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: It looks cold, dark and empty, but astronomers have revealed that interstellar space is permeated with a fine mist of grease-like molecules. The study provides the most precise estimate yet of the amount of "space grease" in the Milky Way, by recreating the carbon-based compounds in the laboratory. The Australian-Turkish team discovered more than expected: 10 billion trillion trillion tonnes of gloop, or enough for 40 trillion trillion trillion packs of butter. Prof Tim Schmidt, a chemist at the University of New South Wales, Sydney and co-author of the study, said that the windscreen of a future spaceship travelling through interstellar space might be expected to get a sticky coating. "Amongst other stuff it'll run into is interstellar dust, which is partly grease, partly soot and partly silicates like sand," he said, adding that the grease is swept away within our own solar system by the solar wind. The findings bring scientists closer to figuring out the total amount of carbon in interstellar space, which fuels the formation of stars, planets and is essential for life.

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  1. Dark Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They found the dark matter.

    1. Re:Dark Matter by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      No, but their is now less of it required to make the books balance.

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    2. Re:Dark Matter by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Grammar, not grammer.

    3. Re:Dark Matter by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and it should be "Fare" not "Fair" and "spelling" not "speling".

    4. Re:Dark Matter by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Grammar Nazis, keeping us on the straightened arrow.

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    5. Re:Dark Matter by HornWumpus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Speling and gramer are impotant!

      Enjoy the next 6 years! Moron.

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    6. Re:Dark Matter by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Hes write. I should 'ave misspeled 'fair'.

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    7. Re:Dark Matter by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      If you can't do, teach.

      If you can't teach, you teach gym. :-)

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    8. Re:Dark Matter by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Keep it up. Your doing great.

      Enjoy Trump's second term.

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    9. Re:Dark Matter by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised they didn't blame our carbon emissions.

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    10. Re:Dark Matter by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No, you got it all wrong. It is supposed to be:

      Fare enuff, you guys is encharged of grammer and speling. nothing not either else thow.

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    11. Re:Dark Matter by DCFusor · · Score: 1

      Fare well, fellow travelers...
      Grammar, the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.
      If I have to do all the work to understand you, you're being a lazy prick; if your're proud of your ignorance...get off my lawn.

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    12. Re:Dark Matter by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it's not mine...

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    13. Re:Dark Matter by war4peace · · Score: 1

      How crooked was the arrow before Grammar Nazis?

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    14. Re:Dark Matter by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      Dank matter.

    15. Re:Dark Matter by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Hes write. I should 'ave misspeled 'fair'.

      Fairy Nuff.

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    16. Re:Dark Matter by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      How crooked was the arrow before Grammar Nazis?

      Grandma Nasty bent tits, be for ewe were borne,

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    17. Re:Dark Matter by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      yea, the top layer needs to be skimmed everytime, i wonder if someone can cook up some python to learn just how many lines need to be truncated before the actual discussion begins, my scrolling-down finger is getting tired here ... so they found fat matter hm ...

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  2. Mist? How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Between intra-molecular gravitational forces and surface tension, that surprises me. I'd think you'd find big globs, not a fine mist.

    1. Re:Mist? How? by HiThere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gravity wouldn't be important, but electromagnetic interactions would be. I'd expect that you'd find both globs and a fine mist, possibly with different components.

      OTOH, if these carbon compounds are very light weight (as is likely with little UV to cause them to polymerize) then they'd be likely to evaporate from the globs. (Check what happens to plastics exposed to vacuum. They become brittle because the plasticizers evaporate.)

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    2. Re:Mist? How? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Maybe the rest of space is filled with a surfactant?

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    3. Re:Mist? How? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Maybe the rest of space is filled with a surfactant?

      It's actually filled with lightning because It's a Greased Lightning .

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  3. Zerkians are such slobs. I hate sh&thole plane by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Send out the Space Force to clean up the disgusting mess; and build a Dyson Wall around them.

  4. Re:Zerkians are such slobs. I hate sh&thole pl by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    (It got truncated, supposed to be "planets", not "plane")

  5. Protomolecule FTW by zm · · Score: 1

    They found the protomolecule.. Don't tell the Martians.

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    1. Re:Protomolecule FTW by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Ke?

  6. essential for life* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    *As we know it.

  7. I guess Bussard Ramjets are impossible by mykepredko · · Score: 3, Funny

    I imagine that this grease will literally gum up the works.

    There goes my dream of travelling between solar systems using interstellar hydrogen as fuel.

    1. Re: I guess Bussard Ramjets are impossible by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      Use the deflector dish.

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    2. Re:I guess Bussard Ramjets are impossible by HiThere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, I've seen other claims that Bussard Ramjets are impossible, but since we don't have controlled fusion yet they can't be properly evaluated.

      OTOH, this could make it work even better. Carbon is a catalyst in some reactions that fuse Hydrogen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    3. Re:I guess Bussard Ramjets are impossible by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      [I guess Bussard Ramjets are impossible ]

      I imagine that this grease will literally gum up the works.

      There goes my dream of travelling between solar systems using interstellar hydrogen as fuel.

      Nah, just use a spinning vortex to separate the hydrogen out from the grease by centrifugal force, and then you could use the grease to add to the exhaust so you can "roll coal" on nasty aliens parked along your trajectory and holding protest signs.

      Strat

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    4. Re: I guess Bussard Ramjets are impossible by Layzej · · Score: 1

      Or you could re-route engine power through the primary weapons and configure them to Melllvar's frequency,

    5. Re:I guess Bussard Ramjets are impossible by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      It's actually great news, all that grease will significantly reduce any friction you'd otherwise encounter traveling in the vacuum of space.

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    6. Re: I guess Bussard Ramjets are impossible by Falos · · Score: 1

      Like filling a balloon with too much air!

  8. Packs of Butter? by burhop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Could someone convert that to american football fields for me? I can't do metric.

    1. Re:Packs of Butter? by nnet · · Score: 1

      No. You'll just have to figure it out. Womp Womp.

    2. Re:Packs of Butter? by bakes · · Score: 1

      ... 40 trillion trillion trillion packs of butter

      The summary already includes the conversion to American.

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    3. Re:Packs of Butter? by dwpro · · Score: 1

      Sorry pal, that's tubs to you. (or at least I thought it was, till I checked and saw that we've gotten over our margarine kick and are trailing western Europe in butter consumption) https://www.economist.com/site...

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    4. Re:Packs of Butter? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Could someone convert that to american football fields for me? I can't do metric.

      Given that an American football game is 4x15 minute quarters and requires over two hours to complete a game (not including half time), if this were in American football fields it would take 37 years to make a touchdown.

      Or 1287 London busses parked end to end.

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  9. Just like Lena Dunham by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Thank you folks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to try our potato bar.

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  10. Re:Universal warming by nnet · · Score: 1

    versus the last 13 billion or so years?

  11. Of Course It Is by forkfail · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course space is full of grease.

    Just think of what would happen if the galaxy were not properly greased. It would be like trying to drive a truck with no axle grease for the axles. Things would quickly come to a grinding halt from all the friction of the rotation of the galaxy.

    And what's worse, it's not under warranty!

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    1. Re:Of Course It Is by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Of course space is full of grease.

      Just think of what would happen if the galaxy were not properly greased. It would be like trying to drive a truck with no axle grease for the axles. Things would quickly come to a grinding halt from all the friction of the rotation of the galaxy.

      And what's worse, it's not under warranty!

      Well, you do need to change it every 3000 parsecs ...

    2. Re:Of Course It Is by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      And don't forget, just 1 trillion trillion trillion packs of space butter can contaminate an entire solar system's water supply so dispose of your space butter properly!

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    3. Re:Of Course It Is by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Of course space is full of grease.

      Just think of what would happen if the galaxy were not properly greased. It would be like trying to drive a truck with no axle grease for the axles. Things would quickly come to a grinding halt from all the friction of the rotation of the galaxy.

      And what's worse, it's not under warranty!

      Well, you do need to change it every 3000 parsecs ...

      Or every 250 Kessel Runs

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  12. Helpful by drew_kime · · Score: 4, Funny

    10 billion trillion trillion tonnes of gloop, or enough for 40 trillion trillion trillion packs of butter.

    I'm glad they converted it into something easier to get my head around.

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    1. Re:Helpful by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      My heart stopped when I read it.

  13. Here's the problem by Ghosthorseman · · Score: 2

    "The Australian-Turkish team discovered more than expected: 10 billion trillion trillion tonnes of gloop"
    In what volume?

    "or enough for 40 trillion trillion trillion packs of butter"
    This might be intended to help me visualize the problem. It does not do that.

    1. Re:Here's the problem by suutar · · Score: 1

      no, it's just intended to help you realize that it's a lot.

  14. Move over truffle oil... by Muckluck · · Score: 1, Funny

    I want my fries coated in a light mist of space grease. MMMMMM, space fats.......

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    1. Re:Move over truffle oil... by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      It's actually M*M*M*M*M*M*M*M*M*M*M*X space fats, per the article.

  15. "clean up the disgusting mess..." Yes, but when? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    "Space is Full of Dirty, Toxic Grease..."

    "... clean up the disgusting mess..."

    I'm not waiting for that. I plan to move to a clean universe.

  16. Can it be collected and used? by swb · · Score: 1

    As a reaction mass or some kind of raw material?

    1. Re:Can it be collected and used? by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      About half is expected to be found in its pure form. The rest is chemically bound with hydrogen in either a grease-like form, known as aliphatic carbon, or as a gaseous version of naphthalene

      Aliphatic carbons are generally flammable like methane, ethane, ethylene so I suppose it could be.

    2. Re:Can it be collected and used? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, it's rather thinly spread. If it's ionized I suppose that a Bussard Ramjet could collect it and profitably use it, but it's not certain that a Bussard Ramjet is even possible.

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  17. 40 Trillion Packs of Butter by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    What's the conversion of butter to library of congresses?

    1. Re:40 Trillion Packs of Butter by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Not sure about congress, but I believe that 1 trillion butter packs == 1 white house butter troll

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  18. Is 10 billion trillion trillion really better... by dunnomattic · · Score: 2

    ...than any of the following:

    10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
    1 x 10^34
    1e+34
    10 decillion
    Come on. This is still Slashdot.

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  19. Question by info6568 · · Score: 1

    That material ... could have some practical usage?

  20. You forgot... by John+Guilt · · Score: 1

    ...to call us 'sheeple'.

  21. G-D screamed by John+Guilt · · Score: 1

    `That's my Retirement Grease!’

  22. Space Force by KingTank · · Score: 1

    The Space Force can use it to grease the treads on their space tanks. Pretty cool!

  23. Theory turns out to be all wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    10 billion trillion trillion tonnes of gloop, or enough for 40 trillion trillion trillion packs of butter.

    Turns out there was no Big Bang - instead, it was a Big Fry.

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  24. Space Swimmer by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Is there enough to use for propulsion? I imagine a space ship with a large magnetic funnel being projected in front of it. If the grease can be ionized, it can be pulled down the center of the funnel, accelerated, and shot out the back. The magnetic cloak would serve to accelerate the ship, block cosmic rays, and keep the grease from coating it.

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  25. Who cares? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    All I want to know is can we mine it and burn it in an engine?

  26. Re:Like the White House? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    And the last one, and the one before that, and all of them in the last hundred years or so.

  27. Re:"Space" by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    It's still space, it' just not empty space.

  28. Re:Is 10 billion trillion trillion really better.. by Falos · · Score: 1

    Though it's honestly impossible to frame an appreciable context in the mind at those magnitudes, at least "e34" requires less time to make an abstract one.

    Those who can't think logarithmically at all are welcome to continue saying Jillions.

  29. Dark Matter from the Galactic Fryer by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    next time clean out the grease traps before you toss the suns into the cooling vastness of space

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  30. All that Space Trucking by martinX · · Score: 1

    Deep Purple was right are all.

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  31. Re:"clean up the disgusting mess..." Yes, but when by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I'm not waiting for that. I plan to move to a clean universe.

    Just wait for the Big Rip.

  32. Re:Like the White House? by Z80a · · Score: 1

    Come on, you can't just say they all just sucked.
    Yes, they all sucked, but they all sucked in completely different ways.

  33. Now we know why no ET by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

    Until now there has been uncertainty over how much carbon is drifting between the stars. About half is expected to be found in its pure form. The rest is chemically bound with hydrogen in either a grease-like form, known as aliphatic carbon, or as a gaseous version of naphthalene, the main chemical component of mothballs.

    Now we know why we haven't seen any moth based interstellar life. Time to update the drake equation again.

  34. No, Not Naphthalene by careysub · · Score: 1

    Naphthalene has no aliphatic carbons. They are all aromatic. No reference to naphthalene appears in the paper, I do not know what the newspaper writer was using as a source for this.

    The explain what the research really did is that they created the conditions believed to be the source of much interstellar dust - outflows from carbon stars and measured its optical properties, and the type and proportions of bonds present. They did this because there is discrepancy between the amount of free carbon we can see in space, and the amount of carbon we believe should be there (for many reasons), and to clarify the dust absorption spectrum which scientists are still trying to fully understand.

    They didn't discover any "new" types of carbon in space, what they did was improve the accounting for bond types, and produced a dust analog that closely matches unexplained absorption features. What the directly measured where the non-aromatic

    carbon bonds, the ones that were aromatic are presumed with great certainty, given they had accounted for the other possibilities) to be those that were left.

    No, they did not try to identify how large the carbon structures were, they were only counting bonds.

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  35. Re:Zerkians are such slobs. I hate sh&thole pl by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

    and build a Dyson Wall around them

    Yeah! And we're going to get those fucking aliens to pay for it!