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Bill To Save Net Neutrality Is 46 Votes Short In US House (arstechnica.com)

Congressional Democrats seeking to reinstate net neutrality rules are still 46 votes short of getting the measure through the House of Representatives. Ars Technica reports: The U.S. Senate voted last month to reverse the Federal Communications Commission's repeal of net neutrality rules, with all members of the Democratic caucus and three Republicans voting in favor of net neutrality. A discharge petition needs 218 signatures to force a House vote on the same net neutrality bill, and 218 votes would also be enough to pass the measure. So far, the petition has signatures from 172 representatives, all Democrats. That number hasn't changed in two weeks. The outlook looks grim as Republicans have a 235-193 majority in the House. If you're curious to see which representatives haven't signed the petition, you can view this page maintained by net neutrality group Fight for the Future.

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  1. Wait for the midterm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let the people decide. I doubt they'll believe Trump promises again.

    1. Re: Wait for the midterm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You grossly underestimate the American publicâ(TM)s stupidity

    2. Re:Wait for the midterm. by Frank+Burly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

      As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

      I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.

      IOW: Call your (R) representative to hear why the free market, Constitution, and Jesus demand everything Comcast lobbyists want.

      And the next time someone says there is no difference between the two parties, ask about Net Neutrality, labor laws, and "crisis pregnancy clinics" to name some partisan issues from the past three days.

    3. Re: Wait for the midterm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That. The whole FCC fraudulently killed it because the republicans wanted it -- because they're being paid a lot by big ISP who will get to charge you more.

      Republicans do everything against the public's best interest and the same victims are happy to vote for 'em repeatedly. Trump having approval ratings that aren't negative is proof that they're amazingly fucking stupid.

    4. Re:Wait for the midterm. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      I doubt they'll believe Trump promises again.

      I don't think they believed them the first time.

      The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.
      -- Selena Zito, The Atlantic, Sept 2016

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    5. Re: Wait for the midterm. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That. The whole FCC fraudulently killed it because the republicans wanted it -- because they're being paid a lot by big ISP who will get to charge you more.

      No, not the whole FCC. Just the Republicans on it.

      Republicans do everything against the public's best interest and the same victims are happy to vote for 'em repeatedly. Trump having approval ratings that aren't negative is proof that they're amazingly fucking stupid.

      Trump's overall approval rating has been consistently low compared to other recent presidents. But among Republicans, his approval rating is at 90%.

      The Republican party is Trump's bitch.

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    6. Re: Wait for the midterm. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      No choice but to win?

      Madame President Maxine Waters? A flipsiide of Trump?

    7. Re:Wait for the midterm. by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 2

      One would hope so, but if people are so dumb and naive to put Trump and many of his Republican cronies into office in the first place, they will do so again. Besides that, with a Supreme Court going to be a puppet theater of Trump and Trump claiming that he can pardon himself for anything, there is little chance that anything will change for the better. Adenauer once said "Every country gets the government it deserves!" Talk to those people who still think that Trump & Co do a top shelf job.

    8. Re: Wait for the midterm. by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Trump's overall approval rating has been consistently low compared to other recent presidents. But among Republicans, his approval rating is at 90%.

      The Republican party is Trump's bitch.

      Are you trying to persuade anybody? Because, that's not actually how you do it.

      You are actively working for a midterm loss and for Trump's second term.

    9. Re: Wait for the midterm. by kenh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've never had net neutrality. Do you have equal up and down bandwidth? Can you host a public-facing server at home under your ISP's TOS?

      That's not what net neutrality is, not even a little bit.

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  2. Get ready for the distraction by MrKaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Defend it or loose it. That's the game.

    When the vote for Net Neutrality comes get ready for the sock puppet silly flying monkey circus. The game will play out like this:
    1. Create a compelling distraction a week or two before the NN vote
    2. Ensure it is big news
    3. make the news even bigger
    4. sell the drama
    5. make the disaster or kim kardashian's ass an imminent national security threat
    6. whip the electorate into a frenzy, a snowstorm of outraged snowflakes looking to feel powerless, morally superior and useless
    7. When everyone looks at the shiny ass, quietly defeat NN
    8. Examine Kim's ass more closely
    9. Politician on both sides high five each other at fucking over the electorate....again
    Unless this issue is focused on until the vote your NN is fucked.

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  3. Conversion rate by ChromeAeonuim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to this, the average telecom bribe (or campaign contribution or lobby gift or whatever you want to call it) was about $145,000 for members of the House, slightly more on average for the Republicans who are the party opposing net neutrality. That means the conversion of votes to dollars is 46 votes = $6.8 million. That's how much we're short. I like when votes are listed both number and dollars.

    1. Re:Conversion rate by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Campaign contributions typically favor the party in power (scroll down to the historical party split and historical average contributions), which is currently Republicans. A fact conveniently omitted by journalists who cherry-pick data to try to make the party they oppose look like bad guys.

      Historically, telecom contributions have slightly favored the Democrats. The only reason Democrats are making a fuss about net neutrality is because they consider it to be an issue they can leverage for votes. If they truly believed in net neutrality on principle, they could've easily passed it during Obama's first term when they held the Presidency and both branches of Congress with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

      The problem has always been local governments granting monopolies for cable and phone service. Both parties are complicit in this and neither seems willing to change it. Passing net neutrality is putting on a band-aid to hide festering gangrene caused by these government-granted monopolies these telecom companies enjoy. A way to placate the voters by pretending to be on their side, while making sure the monopolies awarded to their campaign contributors (the telecom companies) continue undisturbed.

    2. Re:Conversion rate by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      Historically, telecom contributions have slightly favored the Democrats. The only reason Democrats are making a fuss about net neutrality is because they consider it to be an issue they can leverage for votes. If they truly believed in net neutrality on principle, they could've easily passed it during Obama's first term when they held the Presidency and both branches of Congress with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

      Not that I disagree with your first two points, but there are other legitimate reasons for not passing legislation for it in 2009-2010. One, at the time, Network Neutrality was more generally assumed to be the natural state of the Internet, so they wouldn't think there was a need for explicit legislation. Two, they assumed at the time that the FCC already had the authority to enact such rules, so again, they didn't feel there was a need for explicit legislation.

      I don't know how many Democrats in Congress truly believe in the principle, but not passing legislation 10 years ago is not proof that they don't.

  4. What's the point? by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gerrymandering has just been legalized. The SCOTUS is about to shift even further to the right and for a longer time frame. The only way net neutrality will happen for anyone who currently lives in the US is if they either move to another country or if their state leaves the country. The bill might as well be shredded tonight.

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    1. Re:What's the point? by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      Will President Camacho's next executive order do away with the eagle as our national symbol (after all while awesome countries like Russia also have an eagle as their symbol it is also used by shithole countries like Germany and Mexico) and replace it with the honey badger? It would be a logical next step for the administration.

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    2. Re:What's the point? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

      Gerrymandering has just been legalized. The SCOTUS is about to shift even further to the right and for a longer time frame.

      It will shift more to the right without Kennedy, but not as much as you might think. Kennedy usually voted for the conservative position on most cases, but he was capable of every now and then swinging the other way. He was basically the least conservative of the 5 judges considered to be conservative but he was still fairly conservative. Roberts will take his place as the swing vote, being a guy who usually votes conservative but every now and then makes a vote with the 4 liberals that nobody expected. So I'm not seeing a court without Kennedy as being much different than now. Maybe 5-10% more conservative, but probably not more than that.

    3. Re:What's the point? by quantaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Abuse of power is all fun & games when you're in power, the problem is when you're on the receiving end.

      Your memory is incredibly short - remember it is the Democrats that abused power, not Republicans.

      The ACA passage? Some political manoeuvring, but not abuse of power. In fact, if it weren't for the fairly extraordinary policy of "no GOP Senator is allowed to vote yes" it would have garnered quite a few GOP votes, it was afterall a GOP concept.

      Why is it so darn hard for the FBI to describe when and why they started their Trump Investigation?

      It's not hard, Carter Page blabbed his mouth to a diplomat about the leaked emails months before anyone knew of leaked emails. That's a good and very valid pretext.

      Why did the FBI pay individuals to try and infiltrate/influence the Trump campaign?

      When even a top GOP member disagrees with you it means your conspiracy theory

      Why were there so many "unmasking" requests from the US Ambassador to the UN in the final year of the Obama administration? (Her defense is that it wasn't her, it was her "staff"!)

      I can't recall this one off-hand but I'll look into it, I'm not hopeful that it has any more validity than your other points.

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    4. Re:What's the point? by bigpat · · Score: 2

      Gerrymandering has just been legalized.

      Gerrymandering has been legal for a long long time... It shouldn't be. The Supreme Court and the lower courts have come as close as they have ever come to saying that party should not be used as a criteria in creating political districts... But they didn't.

      We need a simple rule that says that political affiliation should not be used to draw political district lines, so when we see these crazy geographically gerrymandered districts the courts can reject them unless the states can prove that they were based purely on population and not on partisan politics.

  5. Alternative Units by dohzer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can someone tell me how many dollars 46 votes converts to? I can't work with these the American Imperial units.

  6. Re:The distraction wan't about NN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you count those as successes, you're profoundly retarded and there's nothing that can be done for you anymore. You're too detached from reality. Sorry!

  7. Thanks for the info by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trump's overall approval rating has been consistently low compared to other recent presidents. But among Republicans, his approval rating is at 90%.

    The Republican party is Trump's bitch.

    Trump's approval rating is the same as Obama at the same point in his presidency.

    I didn't know Obama also had consistently low approval ratings compared to other recent presidents - thanks for the info!

    1. Re:Thanks for the info by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:Thanks for the info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Your source does not refute his. Given the clear bias displayed, a reasonable assumption is that "one year" is as close as you could get to "this specific week approaching midterms" while showing Trump still lower than Obama.

      He is right, you are not just wrong, but a liar while being wrong.

    3. Re:Thanks for the info by dwpro · · Score: 2

      I don't know why we talk about Republican and Democratic percentages so much. 42% of the population identifies as a independent, and since affiliation is not static why even bother comparing over timespans https://news.gallup.com/poll/2...

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  8. Re:Save the wireline? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AC imagine a city with the ability to pay for their own networks without having to consider federal NN monopoly telco rules.

    Now imagine an already successful campaign by ALEC and other GOP types to create state-level laws that prevent cities from creating their own networks at all, for the benefit of monopoly telcos.

  9. Re:Retarded? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2

    Man, are you gullible.

    It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that Trump is being played like a fiddle by Xi and Putin by way of their North Korean proxy.

    Do you seriously think that this is somehow going to end up with NK just giving up its nukes right after all the decades of effort and pain they went through to obtain them?

  10. Re:And this is an election year... by toastjam · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The general populace overwhelmingly supports Net Neutrality -- it has tremendous bipartisan support. What we don't want is them pushing it back.

  11. The US House of Representatives by oldgraybeard · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is not relevant, they pass hundreds of bills. Most all die in the US Senate. In the US Senate it takes 60 votes to decide to talk about a bill from the house. Most all bills from the house are never brought to the floor. The 100 senators agree on almost nothing. Heck I can not even recall the last time America even had a budget.
    Gotta love it, no budget the government just goes and spends what ever they want. Bad karma for the young, the gravy train will come to an end some time.

    Just my 2 cents ;)

  12. Re:Never forget by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Wapo election prognostication... You people really never learn do you?

    Wapo election prognostication... You people really never learn do you?

    Well, in this case, the Wapo election prognostication is from 2007, and they were talking about the 2006 election, when Republicans were swept out of power. So I suppose you can say that it was prognostication in reverse, or maybe, just pointing out what had already happened.

    You're going to have to understand how time works. See, 2007 will almost always come after 2006 and before 2008. And in case you have learned history from Breitbart, you may not know that the 2006 election resulted in a sweeping victory for the Democratic Party which captured control of the House of Representatives, the Senate, and won a majority of governorships and state legislatures from the Republican Party. And 2008 just added to those majorities, and included the election of a black president with the middle-name "Hussein". See, that's how far the pendulum swings, and it's already swinging back again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    #TICKTOCK

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  13. Re:An idea so bad... by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just because you don't like - or maybe simply don't understand - the legal justification doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It was based on the Telecommunications Act of 1934, which gives the FCC the authority to regulate interstate and international communications, and the 1996 revision thereof.

  14. Re:Save the wireline? by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those who lack imagination:

    Tennessee is one example.
    Michigan Republicans are trying something similar.
    It's part of a push by the Koch brothers.
    And their effort has been quite successful.

  15. Re:FCC or FTC? by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 2

    How is the FTC failing to maintain a competitive environment and user-protections in the market-place, exactly?

    Internet service - particularly the upper tier networks where the Net Neutrality rubber meets the road - is a natural monopoly. The is no competitive environment to maintain.

    Why is the FCC better position to 'own' the Internet for all intents and purposes?

    Because the internet is a communications network, and the FCC is tasked with regulating interstate and internation communications networks. The FTC is a consumer protection agency, tasked with protecting consumers

    What exactly would be wrong with an Internet Rights amendment to the US Constitution? Or at least clarifying language on the 1st, 4th (and other) amendments, that says you don't become a non-citizen just because you go online.

    Nothing, other than the fact that it's not going to happen any time soon.