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Open Offices Make You Less Open (calnewport.com)

Why do companies deploy open office layouts? A major justification is the idea that removing spatial boundaries between colleagues will generate increased collaboration and smarter collective intelligence. Cal Newport: As I learned in a fascinating new study, published earlier this week in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, there was good reason to believe that this might be true. As the study's authors, Ethan Bernstein and Stephen Turban, note" [T]he notion that propinquity, or proximity, predicts social interaction -- driving the formation of social ties and therefore information exchange and collaboration -- is one of the most robust findings in sociology."

But when researchers turned their attention to the specific impact of open offices on interaction, the results were mixed. Perhaps troubled by this inconsistency, Bernstein and Turban decided to get to the bottom of this issue. Prior studies of open offices had relied on imprecise measures such as self-reported activity logs to quantify interactions before and after a shift to an open office plan. Bernstein and Turban tried something more accurate: they had subjects wear devices around their neck that directly measured every face-to-face encounter. They also used email and IM server logs to determine exactly how much the volume of electronic interactions changed.

Here's a summary of what they found: Contrary to what's predicted by the sociological literature, the 52 participants studied spent 72% less time interacting face-to-face after the shift to an open office layout. To make these numbers concrete: In the 15 days before the office redesign, participants accumulated an average of around 5.8 hours of face-to-face interaction per person per day. After the switch to the open layout, the same participants dropped to around 1.7 hours of face-to-face interaction per day. At the same time, the shift to an open office significantly increased digital communication. After the redesign, participants sent 56% more emails (and were cc'd 41% more times), and the number of IM messages sent increased by 67%.

157 comments

  1. No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fucking duh - every conversation had in the open air adds to the background noise. Not to mention everyone else listening in.

    I'm happy these guys studied this. Hopefully the MBAs that climbed up their own asses to strip away our offices will read a copy and choke on it.

    1. Re:No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, crappy management has grounds to pick on people for talking and also the ability to bully someone to use the open office as a playground

    2. Re: No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, you are spending more time in your chair working from their perspective. Win-win.

    3. Re:No shit Sherlock by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I've never worked in an open office, but it sounds like a nightmare to me. The noise, the constant distractions, the complete lack of privacy. I can't imagine how anyone gets any work done at all. And that's not even to mention the security risks for anyone working with any kind of sensitive or private data, with literally everyone else in the company (and anyone even passing through) looking right over their shoulders.

      I can't believe that some companies think this is actually a selling point to potential employees. That's like having a recruiter try to sell routine employee strip searches as an employee benefit. Hey, we don't even charge you for them, they're complimentary!

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    4. Re:No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also: open office is cheaper!

      As I heard at our company when we moved between offices, we have now 7 square meters less per employee with the open office plan than what we would have had with offices of 2. This is considering wall placement, corridors, door openings, window positions and such.

      This might not sound too much, but multiply it with 280 euros of rent per square meter per year and 1200 employees. That is the kind of money most bean counters would bow down. 2.3 million savings is a direct cost cut, while lost productivity is very hard to measure and does not appear immediately on anyone's cost center...

    5. Re:No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, another problem was probably the fact that because every interaction, real world and digital, was being monitored, measured, and recorded the test subjects probably didn't feel like being very social. At least not in any way that would have been considered "unprofessional", or "inappropriate." Hence they limited their interactions enough to be conisdered "anti-social" by the scientists. They also can't account for this because they can't tell what potential interactions came up that were avoided or whether or not those interactions would have led to others.

      "Just observing the experiment, changes it's outcome." A fact that is also inportant in sociology.

    6. Re:No shit Sherlock by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. I have 21 staff under me. I've not done a redesign in ten years, simply because if I do, I'll be forced into an open office situation. It is already noisy enough with analysts talking in their 8x10' cubicles iwth 6' walls.

      No one wants an open office.

    7. Re: No shit Sherlock by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Also: open office is cheaper!

      Cheaper than Microsoft Office, sure, but LibreOffice is the same price and way better.

    8. Re:No shit Sherlock by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I have an MBA and I never had a study to show any advantages of the Open Office vs Closed Offices. There are a lot of Upper Management folks without the MBA Discipline really making MBA's look bad.
      From my MBA Studies what makes employees more open, isn't a physical layout, but a top down culture of openness and trust of the employees. A Culture where an employee feels empowered to walk into the CEO, or their manager, or the management in different departments, and be able to speak their concerns and ideas without getting throne under the bus, or punished because of a disagreement or difference in ideas.

      You can have an open office, or everyone in little cells the layout doesn't change openness, if you know your opinion is not valued, and could be punished for conflicting.

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    9. Re: No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People in an open office get closer to each other. But not closer to management who has offices. So they get better at standing up to management and cover for each other. Good for them, not necessarily for the corp.

    10. Re: No shit Sherlock by orlanz · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much it. It's cheaper. That's all the design consultants needed to put down. The higher ups just glossed over the rest of the "benefits". The rest of the slides were reasons for everyone else.

      Our company even coupled it with work from home. Now people only come in for planned meetings, workshops, and admin required issues. No one likes to come in because there is no one here.

      So we reduced a LOT of rental space, and if everyone came in... we would take up all the seats, the conference rooms, lunch area, 90% of the parking spots, and overload the network if there is a major PC update.

      It's been so successful that the highers wonder why the office feels so empty. It saves money.

    11. Re: No shit Sherlock by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      As a counter point, I know the place I work spent more on half high fancy cloth partition walls for 2 cubes than sufficient 2x4s and drywall would've cost. Re-use nice industrial steel and glass doors that they removed as part of the renovation.

      Instead, we've had infighting, risks of FERPA violations, had to close off a faculty lab to move a team there, our office space for 8 cubicles has 3 people working in it, and 3 more in a former lab space that has most of their cubicles set up in it.

      Since the fall out of all of that also got a department head to quit and it isn't likely they will replace that position for a year or so, I guess it is saving some money - whatever that salary was....

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    12. Re: No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree 100%.

    13. Re:No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Every open office layout solves one problem, and creates three more:
      1) It solves the collaboration problem, you can just turn to someone and ask a question. This is very useful in most situations where work is team-oriented.

      However

      2) Call center, contact center and various other phone and computer-oriented tasks which require concentration are heavily degraded by the additional noise.

      3) The chatterbox staff members degrade everyones performance in earshot.

      Plus you have things that haven't been solved since elementary school, like people just being gross, rude, or smelly. Especially when people eat lunch at their desk because in the companys wisdom, no lunch/breakroom is available or is closed during one of the shifts.

      Here's a thing I want to say. I hate the open office layout. There is a place for it, but that place is programming and analytics, not people's customer or technical support questions.

    14. Re: No shit Sherlock by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Yup.

      Every VC-backed tech/surveillance company pays lip service to how much they value their employees. Then they force their employees to work on-site in an open office hellhole.

      'Cuz talk is cheap, and real estate is real fucking expensive.

    15. Re: No shit Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waaaaah! Pastor peen is just mad he can't fap to kiddie porn at the office without getting caught.

  2. Simple by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Informative

    Management often operates on perception.

    If they aren't predisposed to give you the benefit of the doubt, they'll see chatting as goofing off.

    That happened to me in an open office layout. Management saw most of my conversations as distracting others and was a key reason why I was let go.

    Then it turned out that I knew a lot about what each group was doing and could discuss issues, direction, etc. with all of them.

    Oh well.

    1. Re:Simple by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If management can't tell who's actually contributing work and who's screwing around and wasting everyone else's time, then it's management that needs to go. You can't expect to get good results if you don't have a useful way of measuring good results. Once most teams get large enough there's probably one person that's contributing several times the value of everyone else in the group. If management can't tell who that person is, they should be the one's being let go.

    2. Re:Simple by joe_frisch · · Score: 2

      An open office doesn't even help that problem. Just because someone is staring at a screen full of code or engineering diagrams doesn't mean that they are actually being productive. Management needs to be competent enough to understand how well their employees are doing - and that requires technical expertise, and is sometimes really quite difficult.

    3. Re: Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A walk and talk can accomplish so many things. They were wrong to fire you on those grounds.

    4. Re:Simple by mikael · · Score: 1

      My last open office had around six teams of forty arranged in a 4 x 10 grid. If any other grid cell occupant within a 2 square distance had a conversation with one or more people it was practically impossible to get any work done. Sometimes there would be group stand-up meetings with 20+ people. Then they would just stand around and chatting for another 30 minutes. If anyone not in that group was typing, they would proceed to shout at each other. Never mind people banging their work folders on their desk, delivery people dropping heavy boxes on the floor. They actually installed a spring hinge on one lab door so that it would automatically close. Invariably, the occupants would keep entering and leaving that lab every five minutes. A couple of goofballs actually went around sneaking behind other people and squeaking a rubber chicken as loud as possible.

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    5. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Management often operates on perception.

      If they aren't predisposed to give you the benefit of the doubt, they'll see chatting as goofing off.

      That happened to me in an open office layout.

      Same here, except with Libre Office.

    6. Re: Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool, who you gonna report the manager to? The other manager? You already know they are in collusion.

    7. Re:Simple by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      I don't think you necessarily need technical expertise. I was able to gauge how individual team members performed by asking them to size up each task together, then assigning it out randomly. After a few months, it's pretty clear who's getting things done and who's not (they usually have an entertaining list of unforeseen problems and excuses).

      I also listen in on their conversations to see who's helping who. Then during individual meet-ups, I ask them for their opinion of other team members. It's pretty clear when several of them tell me "I'm always fixing bugs introduced by X".

    8. Re: Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I also listen in on their conversations..."

      Fuck you.

    9. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That happened to me in an open office layout. Management saw most of my conversations as distracting others and was a key reason why I was let go.

      Then it turned out that I knew a lot about what each group was doing and could discuss issues, direction, etc. with all of them.

      "Peopleware", chapter 2 - Make a Cheeseburger, Sell a Cheeseburger - The anecdote by Tom DeMarco in the section "A Project in Steady State Is Dead" describes a worker who doesn't seem particularly good at anything, but all the projects she worked on were great successes. DeMarco concludes that she was a catalyst to make teams jell. The manager this was explained to seemed to be incapable of understanding it.

    10. Re: Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the other guy said: fuck you, you slimy Snoop.

    11. Re:Simple by dddux · · Score: 1

      Let me get this straight. So they build open offices to encourage people's collaboration and communication, but then fire those who do that? Funny that. I tend to believe they build them just so they could have more control over the employees. Nothing to do with enhancing the production or working environment for the employees. What a load...

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    12. Re:Simple by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Management often operates on perception.

      Managers are, by and large, a waste. They certainly are when management is all they do.

      No doubt you have reached this considered view after many years in management?

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  3. george orwell had it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we should just lock workers heads into mesh cages, with the other worker at the other end of the cage, forcing them to interact, just like they did in Room 101 in 1984, with torture victims and, say, rats. maybe put marionette rods on their arms to force them to make hand gestures to each other. i do so love how we are trying to engineer the workplace to maximize all desired outcomes. after all, humans are just profit nodules, to have value extracted from and then toss the empty husks on the dustbin of history.

    1. Re:george orwell had it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. Managers Will Probably Like This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you walking around talking to people anyway? Stay at your desks and work! That was sarcasm... mostly sarcasm.

  5. Make Me Postal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I am a waged post office employee. I am ripe for going postal. I define postal employee. I am YOU!

  6. It's about efficiency and noise management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I work in an open office. A major consideration is noise - you have lots of people in a large room,
    all trying to get work done. They need some modicum of silence. IMs and e-mails are quieter than
    face-to-face communication - and trying to keep things quiet is something you learn quickly.

    Electronic communications also do not require that you get up from your desk and find a meeting room - that's a (small) time suck and use of a scarce resource.

    There may also be an element of satisfying our need for socialization by simple proximity, reducing the need for F2F meetings whose sole (unstated) purpose is to socialize. Get what you want more quickly via IM than via (much slower) personal contact.

    There may be an assumption here that more face to face interaction is good, but I think that assumption is actually false. *Some* F2F interaction is helpful either to communicate complex ideas or to develop a sense of teamwork, but *more* F2F interaction just means spending all day in meetings and accomplishing nothing.

  7. Well duh! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    The obvious solution is to switch to Libre Offices. ;)

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    1. Re:Well duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, said! Libre suggests freedom and I suspect those open offices increase stress levels making the occupants feel less free and driving them to reduce the pressure by using less personal means of communications. They balance the equation of tolerance, so to speak.

    2. Re:Well duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, cubicles FTW!

    3. Re:Well duh! by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Offices are like Orifices. Nobody wants yours to be open, particularly when its next the theirs.

    4. Re:Well duh! by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"The obvious solution is to switch to Libre Offices. ;)"

      You beat me to it. I was going to post:

      "But Libre Offices makes you more open."

      Humor aside, any study will need to take into account the exact jobs being performed, because that will make a HUGE difference in productivity effects. And the individuals matter too- I am easily distracted and stressed by noise and commotion. If I were forced to work in an "open office plan" (cubicle), my productivity would tank. However, I do like being in CLOSE PROXIMITY to my staff and coworkers... I just need my own closed/quiet space. I think a lot of people are similar, even if they don't recognize it.

    5. Re:Well duh! by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      The obvious solution is to switch to Libre Offices. ;)

      The obvious solution is to switch to Home Offices. ;)

      My employer went further than Open Offices . . . we went to "Flex Offices" or "E-Places". You get a closet locker and a Rimowa Rollboy Trolley. And there is a big room with empty desks . . . with less desks than employees. Folks were expected to work at customer sites or at their home whenever possible. In the office, each morning there is a Enterprise Edition game of "Musical Chairs" (or Reise nach Jerusalem for the German-speaking folks). Since the desks don't belong to anyone personally, you are not allowed to leave any personal belongings on the desk overnight. No awards or personal pictures on the walls either.

      So . . . a helluva lot of folks just decided to work from home.

      Now the fad wind direction has changed, and senior management wants to encourage folks to come into the office again. Under the current conditions in the office . . . not too many folks want to do that . . . and the way the company arranged the deal . . . they can't force us to either.

      Want to get us back . . . ? Offer us a better place to work . . . it's as simple as that.

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    6. Re:Well duh! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      So what you're also saying is that FreeBSD is superior to OpenBSD?

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    7. Re:Well duh! by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      What management really wants is to have in an Office365

    8. Re:Well duh! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I worked for a company that for several years had fewer desks and computers for engineers than engineers. There was no work from home. Although nobody "owned" a desk, it was understood that established engineers had their own places. New hires had neither a desk nor a computer, and were expected to work at a laboratory bench. The CEO (a marketer) insisted that all engineers' desks face a blank brick wall. Of course, sales and marketing people had private offices with overstuffed chairs, and frequently amenities like a minifridge.

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    9. Re:Well duh! by mikael · · Score: 1

      I heard a story about something similar. A company had a small field office with around eight desks in a portacabin. One desk was next to the heater and coffee machine. Another few were next to windows. Everyone practically player early morning musical chairs to get that desk next to the heater. One person went as far as to make a standing order with a taxi firm to get him there by 6.30 in the morning.

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    10. Re: Well duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, my brother, is why you should JOIN THE SOFTWARE WORKERS UNION. One big union for the whole industry. When we strike, the internet goes down. Prosperity through solidarity.

    11. Re:Well duh! by antdude · · Score: 1

      Nah, go back to Microsft Office. What about Back Orfice?

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    12. Re:Well duh! by antdude · · Score: 1

      I prefer Back type for fun. ;)

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    13. Re:Well duh! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Of course, sales and marketing people had private offices with overstuffed chairs, and frequently amenities like a minifridge.

      And obviously sales and marketing people never have to meet external customers in their offices and make them comfortable or anything...

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  8. Do you want to criticize individuals or policy? by jwbales · · Score: 0

    I have worked in both environments. In a closed office environment, many face-to-face conversations are of a personal nature. Furthermore, when you have privacy, you are more likely to share criticisms of policies, managers, and co-workers. This is one reason managers like open office environments. Open offices make it harder for employees be candid in their interactions with other employees.

  9. Don't be daft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a pretext, and there is a reason. The reason is that they're cheaper.

    1. Re:Don't be daft. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      There is a pretext, and there is a reason. The reason is that they're cheaper.

      Exactly this. Every other claimed “benefit” boils down to the bean counters attempting self-justification - they know it’s about the money, but they don’t like saying it.

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    2. Re:Don't be daft. by mikael · · Score: 1

      Open-plan offices were designed after World War II to eliminate any remaining cold war paranoia about spies being in the office.

      Even with a closed-plan office, cheap plasterboard walls wouldn't guarantee peace and quiet. One office was so tightly packed that when your neighbour turned on his CRT monitors, your monitors would flicker as well. That led to degaussing wars between some occupants. With the cheap chipboard floors, a heavy person would make the office floor sag and you could hear them thumping by even when in their office.

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    3. Re:Don't be daft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, a real answer.

      It is all about the cost. Giving each person their own space is too costly compared w/ putting a plastic table in the middle of a room and hooking up a bunch of powerstrips daisy-chained to an outlet. Call it "Open Office Concept" and sell it as a modern.

      Everyone knows this idea of the open office is B.S. We just pretend it is better for communication but we know it just sucks.

    4. Re:Don't be daft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheaper to build, but lower in productivity of individuals while paying the expenses of developer salaries. This is called short-sighted bean counters lacking a complete model of costs.

    5. Re:Don't be daft. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The reason for open office (a.k.a. bullpen) is management control and power over those who have to work in such places. Cost is an excuse, nothing more. Many executives get off on the feeling that they're oppressing the peons.

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    6. Re:Don't be daft. by mikael · · Score: 1

      It's crazy. All down to availability of office space and demand. Prices in Central London are £120 square foot, while somewhere on the South Coast are only £11/square foot with a 15 minute commute and about 70 cafes all around.

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    7. Re:Don't be daft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's easiest to measure is cheaper. What's harder to measure, like productivity, creativity, and job satisfaction, often gets ignored.
      And when 'cheaper' degrades productivity, creativity, satisfaction -- as it does with open offices -- it's an unusual organization which chooses *not* to go cheaper.

      DeMarco and Lister, _Peopleware_

    8. Re:Don't be daft. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      There is a pretext, and there is a reason. The reason is that they're cheaper.

      Exactly this. Every other claimed “benefit” boils down to the bean counters attempting self-justification - they know it’s about the money, but they don’t like saying it.

      Why would a bean counter need to justify saving money? HR or something I could understand.

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  10. Alternative by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Open Offices Make You Less Open

    That's why I switched to Libre Offices.

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    1. Re:Alternative by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Open Offices Make You Less Open

      That's why I switched to Libre Offices.

      Congratulations! You are the one hundredth person to make the exact same comment in this thread!

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    2. Re:Alternative by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Open Offices Make You Less Open

      That's why I switched to Libre Offices.

      Congratulations! You are the one hundredth person to make the exact same comment in this thread!

      Ya, but I think I made it first. So there's that! :-)

      [ I am soooo bored. ]

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  11. School cafeteria by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

    Why would you want a work environment to be like that? Constant distractions. No way to focus.

  12. Didn't we figure this out a generation ago? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure the "typing pool" concept died in the 50s. Why is it we have to re-discover what we already knew less than a generation ago?

    1. Re:Didn't we figure this out a generation ago? by srichard25 · · Score: 1

      Because too many mangers don't believe they need to do any research before making sweeping changes.

  13. Re:Just hearing the term makes me angry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Also, security goes out the windows. Our IT office had it's walls taken for this great open office plan, management did not give a fuck out our IT concerns and then wondered why so much IT equipment suddenly got stolen etc. Once they found we had lost $25000 worth of gear in a month, the walls soon went back up.

  14. It saves money on real estate by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that's the reason to have it. Period. I hate living in a world were we're constantly pretending bad things aren't bad things. Like how not having guaranteed access to medical care is somehow freedom. Or how a 90 minute commute brutal traffic is 'me time'.

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    1. Re:It saves money on real estate by OpenSourced · · Score: 2

      That. The motivation is putting more people in less space. The rest is marketing spin on the idea so it doesn't look so bad.

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    2. Re:It saves money on real estate by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      Ding Ding Ding! I had a customer move buildings. No hires/fires but they went from basically every one had offices or a team room to all open office. They reduced their square footage requirements by over 35%. We had another that went through a buyout and workforce "rationalization". They went from about a dozen buildings down to one. It was so bad the city fire marshal and city engineers stepped in to tell the new owners they couldn't put as many people as they wanted on each floor.

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    3. Re:It saves money on real estate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do have guaranteed access to medical care. The problem is that most people ALSO want someone else to pay for their medical care. You don't have guaranteed FREE medical care. I hate living in a world where people smoke, drink, take drugs recreationally, overeat and under excercise and then want to send me the bill.

    4. Re: It saves money on real estate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, its so much better living in a country where victims of terrorist bombings at marathons end up bankrupt from the medical bills.

      Fucking primitives.

    5. Re: It saves money on real estate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahahahahaha - no. Liar. Scumbag.

      I personally have been turned away from a hospital while injured from a cycling accident. Yeah, cycling - super healthy, efficient, environmentally responsible, etc etc etc.

      'Cuz "financial reasons". That day I understood, viscerally, the work of Pol Pot.

    6. Re:It saves money on real estate by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Of course it's a 'pure real estate play'. That's all.

      I already collaborated with my team, over and around cubicle partitions. A pox on the picnic table concept.

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  15. And maybe their measurements are screwed by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

    And maybe in an open layout, it's just easier to yell things back and forth, rather than moving into a "face-to-face" position to talk? It seems like that could skew the measurement of whether people had more face-to-face meetings.

    1. Re:And maybe their measurements are screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well..... not always.

      My office is in the process of converting from assigned cubeville to open office hotelling (Fortune 250 headquarters.) I've already been griped at for "collaborating" with my coworkers over the cube walls (that are actually going away) and that we need to go find somewhere else to have those conversations. Hardly a productive use of time & space.

      What's worse is that the IT staff does not follow the assumptions that Facilities has made during this renovation project, we tend to be at our desks rather more than other office staff, as well as needing dedicated work space for equipment test & assembly that got ignored during the planning phase. Somebody is in for a rude surprise.

    2. Re:And maybe their measurements are screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The paper says that in the two places they studied (both were fairly well controlled) the open plan people tended to withdraw from personal contact (e.g. headphones).

      One was cubes to open plan, so physical distance didn't change. I didn't find how tall the cube partitions were.. were they 4' or 6' makes a difference.

      F2F interactions down 70%, email up 40%, but other studies show that email is less effective than F2F interaction at "getting work done" possibly because of non-verbal cues.

    3. Re:And maybe their measurements are screwed by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      And maybe in an open layout, it's just easier to yell things back and forth,

      Maybe. But if you are interested in developing paper darts, they definitely go back and forth better - as does gossip.

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    4. Re:And maybe their measurements are screwed by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      LOL, paper darts. Yes.

      I do not mean to suggest that yelling back and forth is good for productivity. (I don't think it is, in the long term.) I just mean that their measurement thingy (worn around the neck to detect face-to-face interaction) would probably not count any yelling back and forth that happened. "Yelling back and forth" is communication, so they would probably not have measured that form of communication. However, it's also disruptive to everyone nearby. Personally I would not prefer an open layout.

  16. Here is the kind of office I'd like to work in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is an office I'd like to work in, from a company owner who gets it. I'm sure the amount he put into getting this office has more than paid out in increased productivity.

    Too bad other companies won't read anything other than the 4-color glossies from the Gartner Report, peddling the "synergy" produced from a open office.

    1. Re:Here is the kind of office I'd like to work in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Here is the kind of office I'd like to work in by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What, no computer?

      Ok, who left the door open and let the middle manager in? I clearly said to shut the door to keep the vermin out!

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  17. It's rude to talk in an open office by reanjr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this obvious? Anyone talking to someone face-to-face in an open office is being rude to everyone in the room. So no longer do you pop into someone's office and chat, but are instead formed to setup a meeting or distract a dozen other people.

    1. Re:It's rude to talk in an open office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are comparing cubicles to open space though, perhaps cubicles still give the feeling of privacy regardless of the reality though.

    2. Re: It's rude to talk in an open office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talking is bad, phones are much worse. You can sort of tune out two guys discussing something boring.

      When hearing half a phone conversation, you subconciously try to figure out what the unheard part is saying. There goes your ability to concentrate.

    3. Re:It's rude to talk in an open office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So no longer do you pop into someone's office and chat, but are instead formed to setup a meeting or distract a dozen other people.

      You mean the meeting rooms that are always full because no one has an office? Yeah, good design that.

  18. Concentration is important too... by lenski · · Score: 2

    Agreed on the distractions.

    My preferred arrangement is 2-4 person spaces in which the office-mates have a shared project interest and a shared interest in concentration.

  19. Why do companies deploy open offices? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Because they are cheaper. Period. Every other reason is an after-the-fact attempt at rationalizing the open office concept. The open office concept had its root in cubicles. Cubicles were sold to companies because, as the cubicle salesreps put it, they are cheaper. To get around the ambient noise from co-workers, more ambient noise was introduced, i.e., white-noise from speakers in the ceiling to mask the noise of your co-workers.

    .
    With open offices, you don't even have the sound-absorbing walls of a cubicle to help reduce the noise of co-workers, so everyone tends to wear [noise-cancelling] headphones, isolating themselves from their co-workers.

    1. Re:Why do companies deploy open offices? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The open office concept had its root in cubicles.

      This is both logically and historically false. Traditional work places included large open rooms, group offices, and individual offices. Cubicles were introduced in the 1970s as a cheap replacement for individual offices, to give the cubicle dwellers the illusion of privacy.

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    2. Re: Why do companies deploy open offices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The practical reason was the increase in mobs of sales minions all using telephones in one big open office. Cheaper to set up some fabric partitions than to build lots of offices or even traditional partitions (which were common for switchboard operators)

      I'm not sure how much privacy you need at work. Not being in line of sight of the coworker behind you is better than being in the open. If you use the phone a lot then cubes suck. If you shuffle paperwork all day, then it doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice.

      Even if you have an office it won't be totally sound proof. And it isn't private enough to scream at the top of your lungs or relax with a smoke.

  20. Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Open office layouts make you feel like you're under the eye all the time.

    Because you are.

    It means that you're not trusted to manage your own time and space, that you're not worth your own space (much less a damned window), that you're subject to all manner of extraneous noise, that your security is definitely more of an issue to the point of what you are willing to leave on your desk changes...

    Only fucking idiots running on ivory tower thinking and nothing else at all would want to build an open office environment.

    ...oh, wait.

    Companies are full of those.

    Sorry, my bad.

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    1. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I once asked why we are using open office when all the studies say we should not (in addition that it increases mistakes, lowers happiness it also takes as much space as office with individual rooms, because you need more meeting rooms etc). Answer was that why would all the other companies use it if it was not worth it. I could not argue with that, because if are ready to abandon science and do what everyone else are doing, it is religion, and from experience I know that debating with religious people is just a waste of time.

    2. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repeat with me:

      A silly thing that a million people do is still a silly thing.

    3. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once asked why we are using open office when all the studies say we should not (in addition that it increases mistakes, lowers happiness it also takes as much space as office with individual rooms, because you need more meeting rooms etc).

      Because it's cheaper. A lot cheaper. Cheapness wins. Cheapness over everything!

    4. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheaper, hmmmm! Our office went open plan when we got a new CEO, he arrange for the whole company to be in one big open office, then we got the admin section busy on the phones talking really loud to get over the noise that all our racks were generating etc, the air con was now struggling trying to cool this massive space instead of our now wall less server room.

    5. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50 billions flies can't be wrong, poop tastes great.

    6. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Yep. People naturally like privacy. Now someone might point out that so-called 'social media' flies in the face of that statement, but the Internet gives people a false sense of privacy such that their privacy can be totally violated (data collection, surveillance of activities, profiling, etc) and they don't notice it because it's not someone right in their face with a camera and a microphone observing them, even if the violation of privacy is worse. But having people literally in your face all day long at work? Screw that, nobody likes it, and some people put up literally opaque barriers to regain some privacy. If you have ADD/ADHD, so-called 'open office' layouts would drive you batty, you'd never be able to concentrate on anything, ever. It's stupidity and I just don't understand why anyone would think this would improve productivity.

    7. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by movdqa · · Score: 1

      Yup. The people that run companies don't want their own offices to be open either.

    8. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% correct. The only reason for the open office plan is the "survey of the empire". There is a certain class of manager that needs to gaze upon their employees and count them and wonder at the scope of their power.

    9. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, not always true. We moved into a new office a couple years ago, and the GM/VP at the time insisted on the open office. I'm pretty sure it was a fad-following thing (all the high tech companies chasing VC money love it, so following the trend is a Good Idea, right?). Certainly wasn't about money, because they spent a couple million bucks on installing a fancy stairway, and then loaded up the open office with high end furniture, like this $13k Herman Miller couch, or the $5k end table that looks like it came from Ikea and belongs in a kindergarten room.

      As far as I can tell, the entire thing was about appearance and only appearance. Nice big space with lots of window and lights (which make using monitors problematic, so everyone turns off the lights and closes the shades), open communication (so they had to install active sound dampening and now managers spend hours sitting on people's desks to talk about their weekend) and bragging rights on the VPs part. With the last being the primary purpose.

    10. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Geeks and nerds on slashdot like privacy. Geeks and nerds on slashdot hate meetings. Not all but by far the majority.

      Most other employees, the non geek and non nerds are chatter boxes, that love long waffle on sessions that they call meetings. Open plan, totally wipes on their productivity. Put slave collars around their necks to measure productivity, will not generate real or accurate results, just the kind of closed in cut of censored existence you would expect when you put slave collars on people.

      When an employer demands you wear something around your neck to monitor your activity, you accept that accoutrement as a slave collar and no mistake about that. They measured the functioning of people reduced to psychological slavery. My response to a slave collar would have been to scream 'shove it up your fucking arse', an inch from their face", hey the first response would have been a polite 'no thank you' whilst I boiled on the inside, they would then inevitably insist and I would respond appropriately to anyone demanding that I wear a performance monitoring slave collar.

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    11. Re:Open surveillance, annoyance, and zero-trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My response to a slave collar would have been to scream 'shove it up your fucking arse', an inch from their face"

      At least that would have been face to face contact!

  21. Sigh. Personal anecdote here that confirms it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having been moved to an open office environment in April, along with 5 floors of other varying degreed of mixed introverts, the disdain for this type layout and design is palpable.

    The primary complaint, isn't so much the design, or concept itself, but the lack of 'isolated' space one has. I can hear people 50-70 ft away, depending on what is going on in the office, and likely further, if we're dealing with a loud talker. Recall there are varying types of people, who function, in different work environments. I'm highly visual. But I'm placed at a major intersection of traffic, right next to the floors kitchen. This, forces conscious ignoring of the visual background movement, which was otherwise absent prior to my move and not what I see as an active distraction.

    Another coworker, is audibly sensitive, much the same way I am visually sensitive. With the open concept, and his need for either 'isolate' rhythm, or quiet, it's virtually impossible now in this environment. Queue the purchase of noise canceling head-phones at $300...

    I think the biggest irony here, is that due to the way of the office layout, Managers and even Sr. Managers, don't have their own offices. They have a cubicle, just like the rest of their employees, albeit an additional small round table.

    It's a pretty damning scenario for people who have been in the industry, or at this company for that matter, 20+ years and have 'title', only to be shuffled back to a cubicle.

    As for productivity, I can't say if it's honestly better or worse. The project load has always been out of balance, and seems to be accelerating all the time. There is no stopping it, so if anything falls through the cracks, we move on. The 'train' does not stop, if someone, or something falls off. That, was always irrespective of where we worked.

  22. Open office won't work for me any many like me by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    Software engineering at the level I do it requires continuous concentration. For that I need privacy and as few distractions as possible.

    Maybe there are software engineers and other creative producers who can do quality work on their laptop at Starbucks with the music and everyone shouting out orders and stuff. Not me.

    I wonder how many people here remember Pirsig and his book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. In it he explains clearly why those motorcycle shops where they have music blasting away while they are supposed to be working on the product. If you understand that you would understand fully why open offices won't work.

    1. Re: Open office won't work for me any many like me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely agree. Great book btw

    2. Re:Open office won't work for me any many like me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open office won't work for me any many like me

      In it he explains clearly why those motorcycle shops where they have music blasting away while they are supposed to be working on the product.

      Yes, you seem easily distracted.

    3. Re:Open office won't work for me any many like me by AlanObject · · Score: 1

      Yes, you seem easily distracted.

      Yes absolutely. To employ me and some unknown but substantial percentage of the population you have to provide a suitable working environment. Full stop.

    4. Re:Open office won't work for me any many like me by Whibla · · Score: 1

      Yes, you seem easily distracted.

      Yes absolutely. To employ me and some unknown but substantial percentage of the population you have to provide a suitable working environment. Full stop.

      It's possible you missed his, almost certainly ironic, point. Perhaps I can clarify:

      In it he explains clearly why those motorcycle shops where they have music blasting away while they are supposed to be working on the product.

      One can only assume you were intending to make a point... ;-)

  23. How much is abou status? by joe_frisch · · Score: 2

    Has the office become a status symbol like the old Mahogany Row and executive restroom? Is there an active desire to put lower level workers in unpleasant conditions to make management feel better about themselves?

    There are lots of reasons to think that open offices are less efficient. Often the workers are highly paid so the loss in efficiency clearly outweighs the cost of extra offices. Maybe its an incorrect money optimization but it seems obviously wrong. It doesn't take a lot of loss of efficiency in an employee who is costing $150/hour to balance the extra cost of a small office.

    Another, equally damning explanation is that open offices "look" nice and modern. It seems likely that the insanely expensive Apple headquarters building (clearly not cost optimized!) is mostly open offices for improved visual appeal, with no regard to efficiency.

    1. Re:How much is abou status? by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

      I work at Apple Park. It's the worst office environment I've ever had the misfortune to have inflicted upon me. Working in that gilded shithole has me looking elsewhere for work now, and I've been at Apple for many a year.

      It's form over function, it's the fact that everyone has the noise-cancelling earphones (the good Bose ones, not the crappy Beats ones) and it's the complete lack of respect that is implied. My dog has a larger kennel (not that he uses it in CA weather very much) than I have desk-space.

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    2. Re:How much is abou status? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Apple going with form over function even with their offices is a sure sign that they also don't give a shit about their products either. Removing usable ports and good keyboards in order to make thinner laptops is completely asinine.

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    3. Re: How much is abou status? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quality real estate is quite expensive compared with the chump pay given to engineers.

      C'mon, keep believing the VC-funded fake news hacks who write about how software developers are sooooo overpaid. When your heavily taxes $150k/yr salary is barely enough to rent a studio apartment in an undesirable neighborhood.

  24. Real Reason no one talks ABOUT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The real reasons for OPEN OFFICES ARE AS FOLLOWS

    -Cheapness of outfitting the business funiture wise
    -Cheapness of cleaning/maintenance
    -Ease of Security/Surveillance
    -VERY EASY TO RESALE PROPERTY FOR ANY OTHER BUSINESS/RELIGION/OTHER USAGE

    LIQUIDITY OF ASSETS AT A DROP OF A HAT

  25. Crowded versus spacious by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    I am surprised anyone would find this a surprise. I thought it was clearly established that people in crowded urban areas become less overtly friendly as a reaction to the crowded conditions. Sort of like keeping a mental distance since you cannot keep a physical distance. Meanwhile people in rural and less crowded areas are more openly friendly since there is plenty of physical space.

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  26. A good reason NOT to accept a job offer by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As far as I am concerned, any job offer that involves working in an open space environment is a no-no.

  27. Complaints about the upcoming switch by Typing_Ptarmigan · · Score: 1

    F2F complaining about the upcoming change to the open office may be what was measured, and after the switch workers were/are less likely to complain about the switch when the entire office and managers/tattletales can hear those complaints.

  28. It's kind of bullshit by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Office workers in the 19th and most of the 20th century sat in a large room at a desk without walls. And it was managers who got their own office. If you were senior but not a manager you would share an office. Even then employees complains when coworkers chatted near their desk too frequently.

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  29. It's rude to be an introvert in an open office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe introverts communicate differently, as well as socially interact differently, than extroverts?

    1. Re:It's rude to be an introvert in an open office by Calydor · · Score: 1

      In that case the study of the same group in two different environments shouldn't have had such a dramatic change in face-to-face and digital communications.

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  30. In the practical world .... by petes_PoV · · Score: 2

    A major justification is the idea that removing spatial boundaries between colleagues will generate increased collaboration and smarter collective intelligence

    Nonsense.

    You can just pack more people in a given space and it's easier for supervisors to check if people are goofing around, sleeping on the job or just plain AWOL.

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  31. Why do companies detest telecommuting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Telecommuting* has the same advantages without all the disadvantages. And yet here we are still debating office design.

    *Combine with augmented reality for additional advantages.

    1. Re:Why do companies detest telecommuting. by Carrot007 · · Score: 1

      Companies don't.

      Bad managers do. (The fact they have no purpose might become obvious).

      My company change 2 years ago and embraced modern working fully and told all the managers if they refused a home working request it better have a damn good reason. They resisted at first but were trained up. I'm sure the bad ones moved elsewhere.

      But you probably live in the land of bad managers ;-)

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    2. Re:Why do companies detest telecommuting. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Funny enough, it's exactly the other way around with us. Managers would love to send us home (and, if you promise not to tell the higher-ups, they let us routinely work from home as long as we can be around quickly in case one of the top echelons somehow materializes), but it's frowned upon by the top dogs.

      Beats me why. I can see of course that team meetings and customer meetings you can't simply phone in, but for 99% of the rest of our work it matters little where we do it. And let's face it, hacking in your underwear is more comfy than doing it in jeans and shirt.

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  32. No shit Sherlock-mind games. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once someone invents telepathy*, this problem will go away.

    *Or The Matrix.

  33. I must be the minority here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a veteran embedded software engineer and at my current pay grade I was given an office. My current project currently has 10 engineers. We also have a large lab where we were only using about half the space. We got management to outfit that unused space with desks, laptop docks, and 3 monitors on each desk. Every engineer has a cube or office outside that lab. Probably more of a team room than open office, but none of us have sat at our desks outside the lab for well over 2 years. Keep in mind this is voluntary by all engineers involved.

  34. No surprise. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    If you see everybody all the time you're more likely to immediately know when you are "missing out" and when you are not. Hence proactive social interaction isn't required as much.
    Herds grazing on an open field are more chill. The noise starts when species live in environments where they usually don't see each other. Hence the noise birds or howler monkeys make in the morning.

    This finding send super obvious to me.

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  35. When you can't talk to someone without... by greenwow · · Score: 1

    disturbing others, of course you talk less.

    More disturbing is that Microsoft is now remodeling buildings to make them more open. Their software is going to get even worse. I have three friends that are probably going to move to their Dublin location, and the pictures I saw of their workspace was completely open tables with no dividers. I don't know if they're going to add dividers later, but it looks bad. But at least it has an LED waterfall and a wold-class bakery.

    1. Re:When you can't talk to someone without... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      wold-class bakery.

      wold: noun:
      a piece of high, open, uncultivated land or moor.

      This is completely believable.

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  36. Before and After by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you read, the study measured before and after the change.

  37. ??? Left field zinger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i want to subscribe to your alternate reality.
    that or I want to know when your comedy show swings by my town.

  38. Cubes are Cheaper by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    It's cheaper to throw up a cube farm than build real offices with doors.

    I'm glad I have an old fashioned office with a door that closes and locks. Most of the time it's open but it's nice to know the option is there when I need it. This suits my introverted nature just fine and lets me focus and concentrate when needed. In the past I've worked in cube farms; they sucked.

    Personal space is a real thing.

    1. Re:Cubes are Cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's status, too. Management feels they are special and need status symbols to prove it. I once worked at a place where everything was defined by rank. A desk with square metal corners was lower status than one with rounded metal corners. I was given rounded metal corners by mistake, and (back then) I was junior in rank. Some of the staff protested to management! I didn't have that desk for long.

      Notice that in nearly all open office plans, managers have private offices, around the periphery, with windows.

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  40. 15 days by jemmyw · · Score: 1

    15 days before and after a move? It's pretty easy to think up alternative reasons for their results. People needing to organise before and being tired or unhappy afterwards. A different time of business. A more proper test would be the same office 1 year apart with the move happening 6 months after the first 15 day test.

    1. Re:15 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      15 days before and after a move? It's pretty easy to think up alternative reasons for their results. People needing to organise before and being tired or unhappy afterwards. A different time of business. A more proper test would be the same office 1 year apart with the move happening 6 months after the first 15 day test.

      How does that make any sense? A year later and that business could be on the verge of bankruptcy. Maybe one year later the company has become so successful they have doubled in size? Even with a global enterprise it could be that the office being measured has lost or gained a large amount of work or employees. A lot can change in a year.

  41. Why do companies deploy open office layouts? by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    Because its cheap.

    1. Re:Why do companies deploy open office layouts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Captain obvious. Is there any original thought in your message, besides "cuz' it's cheaper"?

  42. Open offices but within reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our company had several smaller open offices. Each one was departmental. One for accounting, one for scheduling, one for customer service, etc. Since everyone in the room had the same concerns and responsibilities, it did improve working together. When it might interfere with someone's work, we had a large conference room and several small meeting rooms for 2 to 4 people to use for short periods or short discussions. It seemed to work well.

  43. Evaluation by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    One point is that employer promotes openspace to get more interaction and collective intelligence, but all the time one spent not working on its own job is considered as a distraction during evaluation by managers.

  44. I don't do standing desks or stools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've already turned down one because it was open office. I also have a no-budge rule regarding standing desks and chairs without arms. I don't have to have my own office, but you aren't dumping me in a zoo full of annoying asspies without a real desk/table and a real chair with arms. No more than 4 people/desks in a 10'x12' room. I did have one place I temporarily "put up with" the open office since I needed to kill 2 months until moving countries. You know how I put up with it? I walked in, got the day's game plan, made sure they had my cell number, and then sat in my car all day.

  45. You think management didn't know that? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Answer me one question: Why do managers sit in their own office instead of the open office floor when it was in any way beneficial to the one subjected to it?

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  46. Open office is a bad ideal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone likes a period of seclusion to focus. Being in a open office setting means your exposed all the time to what is around you. Unable to tune out the noise so to speak. Its really just a terrible ideal to place everyone in a big box and make them feel even more like just another body in a cage. Where not cattle, we like to have walls and feel like we have boundaries.

  47. Sociology Majors are Morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We didn't need a study to tell us that. Anyone who listens to their conclusions instead of the engineers deserves whatever calamity befalls them.

  48. My personal fix by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    for being forced into an open office environment would simply be a nice set of headphones with music to last me the entire work day.

    When folks realize they can't bug me verbally with incessant questions I've answered a dozen times already ( fucking take notes already, I'm not Google ) they eventually switch over to instant messaging. I can then simply turn it off, ( which is boring ), or let an automated script take over and answer every single incoming message with " I LIKE TURTLES ".

    Bottom line: You want your employees / co-workers to be productive, leave them the fuck alone and LET them be productive.

    You might be surprised at the results.

  49. The Universal Office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An upside-down 5-gallon bucket & a clipboard. Best office I ever had, & it was portable.

    1. Re:The Universal Office by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      An upside-down 5-gallon bucket & a clipboard. Best office I ever had, & it was portable.

      From Rompco, the new, modern Porta-Botty! It's a seat! Follow the easy instructions and now it's a toilet! But wait, there's more!
      Act now and we'll throw in the clipboard, free! Just add postage and handling.

      Send $19.95 in 4 easy payments.

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  50. 5.8 hours of talking per day by sverdlichenko · · Score: 1

    Of 8 hours work time. What was they job again? Maybe reducing all this chatter improved their productivity indeed.

  51. Holy Shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5.8hrs per day doing face to face interactions.... do they do any real work???!!!

    So basically they hang around each other's cubicles doing non work gossiping in a non open office....

    When they move to open office they can't continue that shit because the other colleagues can hear them gossiping....

    So basically Open offices are not conducive for gossiping and can get you lardass employees to get back to real work.

    1. Re: Holy Shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this.. these fucken people are a cancer on the rest of us who show up do good work and go home at the end of the day. they are the same assholes that cause all the office drama. I am convinced that in any office, 90% of the work is done by 10% of the people.

    2. Re: Holy Shit! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I am convinced that in any office, 90% of the work is done by 10% of the people.

      If so, those 10% are fucking idiots.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  52. Pressured Enthusiastic Collaboration by Slicker · · Score: 1

    Yeah.. I've seen this and cringed. Manager's think they are fostering better morale and higher productivity by making employees feel pressured to act enthusiastic and highly collaborative yet they are actually just feeling as if they have to pretend... And wish it would stop.

    It's also the raw, raw, raw, stand up meetings and such. I remember a meeting at Groove Shark one Friday afternoon (I didn't work there but I was there at the time). I saw the looks at the faces of those employees. They were responding to their leadership in enthusiastic fashion, talking about how they improved the products but, in there faces, you knew they just wanted to go home.

    It looked like a high pressure environment like say... maybe North Korea.. where you know you are being watched and you have to behave enthusiastically.. A large part of your job is acting.

    Obviously, these managers are trying to capture the enthusiasm and morale for productivity that exists in work places where the workers feel challenged, appreciated, and are given ownership of their work. But these managers are missing the mark. They clearly have the "E" on their foreheads draw the wrong direction.

  53. Open Office saves incredible money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By constraining employees to about 30 square feet of table space, if that much. Plus minimal furniture of table and chair.

  54. Dumb-lennials dont know the diffierence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They move from the crowded hovels od dorm spaces to open office. Its only older generations who complain about lack of privacy and elbow room.

  55. I don't get it? I would hate to work in a cubicle by silentjay · · Score: 1

    This must be an american thing, I've been an office worker (in IT) since '98 in London and have always worked in an open office as has everyone else I know. I would hate to work in a cubicle. We all talk to one another, if someone emails or IM's if its more than a one word reply we tend to get up an wander over and have a chat, you solve problems much quicker that way. and there's a pretty standard unwritten rule, headphones on means do not disturb. I don't see the issue

  56. Corollary by Bitbeard · · Score: 1

    Managers don’t wish to collaborate because they don't work in an open environment.

  57. Commodity employees, commodity office space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not about glasnost. It's about saving money. And the bean counters don't do real cost accounting or everybody worth keeping would have his own office.

    Damn MBAs and punk CTOs and CEOs are all about this quarter. Your grand vision didn't pan out? Fire a few thousand employees and pump up the vileume on your bottom line.

    I remember when things used to be ok. Now they're not.