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'Why I Use the IBM Model M Keyboard That's Older Than I Am' (yeokhengmeng.com)

Slashdot reader yeokm1 recently installed Linux on a 1993 PC. But in a new blog post he lists every keyboard he's owned over the last 12 years -- to explain why he's now typing on a 5.3-pound Model M keyboard from 1987 that's older than he is, "with its legendary buckling-spring switch." It'll probably last me the decades to the day that keyboards should become obsolete... It is sad that with all the advancements in computing, the one piece of equipment that we use the most to interact with our computers has regressed technologically in the name of costs. We don't usually expect to be using 30-year-old hardware on a daily productive basis but the IBM Model M keyboard is that exception.

Today, I don't really care about fancy features like great aesthetics, RGB backlights, media keys and extra USB ports. I just need something that gives me great tactile feedback, be durable, enable me to easily swap keys to fit my Programmer Dvorak layout. The Model M fits my needs perfectly.

"Really can use this as a weapon," the blog post jokes. There's even a video "to show clicky sound difference" between two different versions of the Model M -- and in true geek fashion, he even removes the casing screws to see whether the inside had rivets or bolts.

The original submission drew a tip from long-time Slashdot reader Spazmania based on his own experiences with the Model M. "The thing I most like? There are little plastic caps on the keys. When they get dirty I can pop them off and run them through the dishwasher."

Any other Slashdot readers want to share their own experiences with Model M keyboards?

220 comments

  1. I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have two in use right now, at home and at work, and a couple of spares, all made between 1988 and 1991. No other keyboard feels quite like this, and I plan to keep using them as long as I am typing.

    I work as IT staff at a university, and it's always fun to see students come into my office and notice my keyboard. "Why are you using such an ancient keyboard?" they usually ask. And I just say that they don't make them how they used to. Occasionally another fan of Model Ms comes in and I get a fist-bump or a "Sweet! Model M!" from them.

    Then I think and realize that these college students are all significantly younger than the keyboard. I'm getting old!

    1. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh! I forget to mention the day that a new faculty member arrived, and when I went to his office to set up something, I noticed he had a Model M with a few keycaps missing.

      I have a SHITLOAD of spare keycaps because I ended up with a whole bunch of Model Ms, some of them not working, a couple decades ago. So I quietly went over there and replaced the missing keycaps when he wasn't there.

      Eventually he figured out it was me by asking around (I'm well known as "that Model M guy") and thanked me. It was awesome to help out a fellow Model M fan.

    2. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but Model F...

    3. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you different from say a V5 fine Pilot pen enthusiast?

    4. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Funny

      I make no claims to not being a weirdo. :)

    5. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have probably eight of these keyboards. I also have two of the short model with no keypad (just happens to fit into a 19" rack keyboard tray).
      I have been thinking about hacking them open and installing a trinket or something to turn them into a USB based keyboard.

      I have four of the unicomp/pckeyboard.com newer USB models which appear to be close to the original (same folks in Lexington make them).
      But, they are lighter. The shell appears to be flimsy compared to the old model M. Best feature is I don't have to use a PS2 to USB adapter.

      Like the article states, this is one area where the new kids and their shiny faster toys don't realize they are eating dog shit daily.

    6. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because V5 fine Pilot pens suck. Go with a Signo 207 or upgrade your ass to a Montblanc rollerball (comes with a Rolls Royce discount coupon).

    7. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Megane · · Score: 3, Funny

      You should have replaced them at a rate of once per week, for maximum mindscrew effect.

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    8. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The IBM model M is a very very nice keyboard. I have 2 myself both from 1986. I myself am from 1989.
      But! Expensive mechanical keyboards CAN compete with the model M.

      I have a Nanoxia NCore Retro and a Roccat Ryos MK Pro and they are both just as good but both have better looks...

      I am a sucker for both quality keyboards and lights... the ncore retro have no lights but it does have the Victorian typewriter look

      Both keyboards are very expensive.. especially the ncore retro

      But Quality vs cost? In that regard the model M wins hands down..

    9. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by CBMFreak · · Score: 1

      The IBM model M is a very very nice keyboard. I have 2 myself both from 1986. I myself am from 1989. But! Expensive mechanical keyboards CAN compete with the model M.

      I have a Nanoxia NCore Retro and a Roccat Ryos MK Pro and they are both just as good but both have better looks...

      I am a sucker for both quality keyboards and lights... the ncore retro have no lights but it does have the Victorian typewriter look

      Both keyboards are very expensive.. especially the ncore retro

      But Quality vs cost? In that regard the model M wins hands down..

      I am the AC above... small correction.. I am from 1979 not 1989.

    10. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm confused. How is continuing to use a product not the ultimate form of recycling?

      Hell, these keyboard were discarded by other people who didn't want them. They would have ended up in landfills, most likely, but I intercepted them and kept them for my own use.

      I am being more environmentally friendly by continuing to use these old relics than I would be by buying new ones. And when they do die, of course I will recycle them properly.

      Your thinking is absolutely nonsensical.

    11. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I first got my start in academic IT (after a stint in the army and then working federal IT), I used to idolize the old IT guy at the University of Arizona who had a DEC nameplate above his door, and all kinds of old computer stuff in his office. I have become that guy, with the OpenBSD and Slackware swag in the office along with my Model M (though I cheated, mine are the newish USB models). I keep a PA-RISC system around just for kicks so they can see what we considered pr0n worthy (although I was more of a Sun/SGI guy back in the day). Now I've got a DGX-1 sitting here with an incredible amount of horsepower for its size.

      I get the occasional young'n that's kind of like "COOL!" along with a number of puzzled youngsters who wonder why my keyboard is so noisy.

      It's always fun cleaning out the supply closets and asking yourself: did I *really* need this many wide-fast SCSI terminators? Or that many terminators for the 10Base-2 network for that matter? .. then I remember those days.. and yes, yes I did.

      You'll never get rich being a university IT tech, but it sure is fun!

    12. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried the Model M, but it's not for me. If you like it, keep using it, I'll stick to my Cherry G80 with MX black switches I bought in 1996.

    13. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I have five or six original IBM PC-XT keyboards. There are easy hacks/adapters now to turn them into USB keyboards. These are much older than the Model M with the same feel and bombproof construction.

    14. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 2

      Indeed. This goes hand-in-hand with the "right to repair" concept, in which it is better to extend the life of an existing product than to throw the whole thing away to replace it with a new one. (Maybe old products that constantly emit pollution are an exception. A keyboard certainly does NOT fall into that category, though.)

      Happy to hear about your Model M.

    15. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      It is great that you have one (or two) that work for you, but it isn't for everyone. First, a LOT of modern machines don't have a PS2 port and the PS2->USB adapters don't work perfectly. Another is the lack of a "Windows" key. I scoffed at that one myself for a long time, and then it became a real hinderance as a lot of shortcuts are only usable via said key.

      Repair is not easy and rarely perfect. Once the springs and buckles start to where, it is a countdown on the life of the keyboard. And if a spring breaks/bends it is a nightmare. Which lastly brings us to purchasing one. You have no idea what you are going to get. Sellers go out of their way to list the product like "What you are getting is what you see in the picture only! We make no guarantees of functionality or anything not pictured".

      It became too much of a chore to stay in the cult. I broke down and bought a Unicomp Classic 103 key layout. It isn't exactly the same, but it works well enough that I have no regrets.

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    16. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      I love working in university IT. The atmosphere is more laid back than corporate IT, you can experiment a lot more when finding solutions to problems and you're constantly surrounded by young people who are mostly passionate and constantly coming up with really cool ideas. (Note, *mostly*. There has been an influx of people lately who are definitely just studying IT and CS just for the money, and this is a bit annoying.)

      I have a bit of a computer museum in my office too; got a bunch of SBUS cards from Sun machines, a transputer board, an old M68000 evaluation board from the late 70s, an eight inch floppy drive, some IBM punch cards, and a few other things. Every now and then a student will be totally wowed by that stuff, and I love telling stories about it. I'm always happy to see people interested in the history of computing!

    17. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      Sure thing! Everyone should use what works best for them. I like telling people why I like the things I do, but in no way do I suggest you should use something just because *I* like it. This applies to the constant iOS vs Android debate, too; fanboys really need to chill out and let people use what they like.

    18. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      "The thing I most like? There are little plastic caps on the keys. When they get dirty I can pop them off and run them through the dishwasher."

      How about washing your hands after every pizza instead of just sucking your fingers and wiping them on your t-shirt?

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    19. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      He probably runs his t-shirts through the dishwasher, too.

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    20. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure if the time is right. Otherwise I'm eating and computing at the same time. So washing after every bite adds up to nothing getting done.

    21. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol no, I didn't promise that because it was never realistic. Mueller has been working non-stop but the treason involves a lot of douchebags to sort out on the way to King Diaperbaby the obese orange daughter-toucher.

      How's that Nobel for Korea working out? Enjoy prison for life instead I guess traitor. You dumb cunts do it to yourselves every time.

    22. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally unnecessary "quotes".

    23. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Reasonable quality PS2->USB adapters work fine. Poor ones... work poorly.

      The lack of a Windows key is a nuisance. Especially when using it with a Macbook.

      Maintenance = buy a few extras (even now they're not terribly expensive) and when the current one finally gives up the ghost, get out a new one.

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    24. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because everybody with a brain knows that V5 fine Pilot pens suck.

      Parker Jotters are where it's REALLY at!

    25. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by toonces33 · · Score: 1

      On my keyboards, I pop off the Windows keycap just because it is so annoying to have that damned start menu pop up if you accidentally click on the thing.

    26. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      WTF does a Windows key do anyway? Serious question out of curiosity as I've never used one. I have used some modern crap keyboards with one on brief occasions (I usually use a Model M) but never bothered to find out what it does, and whatever that is I have never missed it. In any case I object to having one of Microsoft's trademarks on my desk and in my face. I guess keyboard makers pay MS a royaly to have it there.

    27. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by NikeHerc · · Score: 2

      I have a bit of a computer museum in my office too; got a bunch of SBUS cards from Sun machines, a transputer board, an old M68000 evaluation board from the late 70s...

      My very small museum included a plugin card from a Xerox Sigma 9. I wanted the CE to give me the disk drive's busted hydraulic pump that had "Cessna" stamped on it, but he had to send it back for refurbishment.

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    28. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love v5 pens. Not as much as some of my fountains, but they're great.

    29. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by DatbeDank · · Score: 2

      Reduce, REUSE, recycle.

      The order is the importance. Recycling is the last thing you want to do.

    30. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      It is an additional mod key just like Ctrl and Alt and is used in many window management shortcuts apart from opening the start menu. In Linux DEs as well

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    31. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a shortcut for CTRL+ESC

    32. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was with you right up to "iOS vs Android". Fuck that shit, iOS sucks monkey balls.

    33. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      woooosh

    34. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations! You have been trolled. (Check the troll's user name.)

    35. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Maybe old products that constantly emit pollution are an exception. A keyboard certainly does NOT fall into that category, though.)

      The user might.

    36. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pelikan 140. Like a Mercedes; beautiful, beautifully made, last almost forever, and don't cost that much. I have a MB, somewhere in the sock drawer.

      Many years ago I ordered for my wife a sterling silver Solitaire barley finish, from Areo Stationers in NY and they sent me the gold one by mistake. Boy were they glad to get my call, and trusted me enough to ship the silver one even before they received the gold one back. Nice folks.

    37. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I knew a guy who ran all his laundry through the dishwasher at the resturant he worked at.

    38. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can sympathize. I have a few Model M's I bought in 1988 (still in use), and others I have acquired through the years.

      I found it quite amusing when my youngest daughter's boyfriend (age 21) and one of their "geeky" friends started talking about Model M's recently as if they were the Holy Grail. So I pulled two out (including the original boxes), and asked, ""Is this what you are talking about?". They just about wet themselves..........

    39. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by mikeiver1 · · Score: 1

      Only Keyboards we have in the house. I presently use an M built on 13 Jan, 1982 that I bought new in a box at a parking lot sale for $5.00. Best investment ever for the best keyboard ever designed and built!

    40. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by antdude · · Score: 0

      Yep. My colony and I use many ancient stuff too because they still work. Also, cheaper and more stable too! Frak the newer, buggy, and stuff. Get off my lawn!

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    41. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by antdude · · Score: 1

      Weirdo!

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    42. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used one when younger and I liked it. I had an old Northgate keyboard. The coworkers weren't as enamored as I was of it's prowess. However, as my typing improved I find that I can really really fly with a keyboard that has a shorter keystroke and less spring pressure. The Lenovo laptop keyboard is pretty good if a bit springy. So far, the Outemu mechanical switches have been about the best -- I gather they are buckling something inside but I haven't had one apart. The cherry MX blue have a keystore that is just too long even with o-rings.

    43. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment makes no sense. Everything we make is already on earth millions of years before us

    44. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care how clean you keep your fingers, when you use the same keyboard for decades, it will need cleaning, and not just for the link between and under the keys.

      I have 3 M's and recently bought a cable for my primary one after swapping it a couple times in the past.

    45. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "lint" not link

    46. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have five or six original IBM PC-XT keyboards. There are easy hacks/adapters now to turn them into USB keyboards. These are much older than the Model M with the same feel and bombproof construction.

      Oh man.. That is awesone

    47. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about washing your hands after every pizza instead of just sucking your fingers and wiping them on your t-shirt?

      By that logic you shouldn't have to wash towels if you only use them after having washed yourself.

      Even if you wash your hands regularly your body will push out fat to keep your skin soft.
      Wash your keyboard regularly.

      I currently use a cheap Logitech keyboard I don't care about, so I just throw the entire keyboard in the sink.
      As long as you let it dry out before you use it again it will survive just fine.
      I did plug it in a bit early one time and it didn't really work that well, but since everything is low voltages nothing took damage so I just waited a bit.

    48. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recycling is the last thing you want to do.

      This is an interesting expression.
      People typically uses it for things that you don't want to do.

      Like "Starving to death is the last thing you want to do", when in reality it should be a thing you don't want to do at all and even eating something carcinogenic is preferable to it.

    49. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You typically map it to the meta key
      It could be useful if you are one of those emacs persons.

      On Windows systems it is used as a shortcut to bring out the "Start menu" in the lower left corner.

    50. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are from after 1990? My god you are just a kid my friend.

    51. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...treason...

      Now I know you just a bullshitter who knows nothing and can only wave his arms and scream.

      Still so butthurt. You should learn to move on.

      Trump 2020.

    52. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also have a model M and love it. Nice key feel and it stays put on the desk. I am older than the key board.

    53. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keyboards used to be very expensive when they were new too. At best you might get an old Model M for free by clearing out or stealing from a junk pile but buying it in the 80s would have cost about as much as a new high end keyboard today. It's much the same as with old furniture or bicycles buying the same shit new instead of 50 year old is expensive.

    54. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst for me was buying a PS/2 to USB mouse adapter, for a grand 4 euros. It was in fact perfectly useless because the mouse itself has to support dual mode operation. It's like the PS/2 to serial adapters the decade before, which I collected a few of but were completely useless :)
      I could have bought a dual PS/2 to USB adapter cable, for 8 euros, known to work. It'd be fairly ugly on a laptop and would add even more wire length, so I went for the mouse adapter instead.

    55. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's used for the Win+D shortcut (even on linux desktops, unless it's not configured. then you might do Ctrl-Alt-D). Minimizes all windows and toggles back - restore them. In Windows, the OS even pretended to minimize the windows but technically would show the desktop so it's done real quick.

    56. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by mcswell · · Score: 1

      It gets in your way.

      Seriously, I *never* use it (I use ), and every once in awhile I hit it accidentally, which is a real annoyance.

      I also wish the CapsLock were a Control key, and the left and right control keys were not there... I know, there's a RegEdit fix in Windows (and probably s.t. similar in Linux), but in certain corporate environments that's locked down.

      I have other complaints about modern keyboards, which only got worse since 1983 or so, but you young twerps probably don't want to put up with this old codger.
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    57. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only reason I use the Windows key is for quickly locking the screen when walking away from the computer (Win+L). It can be done one-handed in an instant. I knew a few others in the past but have forgotten them all. Most of the time, as others say, it gets in the way.

    58. Re: I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should take it a step further and get a Model F. I just got one new out of box a week ago for a really good price. The 2.8 kg behemoth is way better to type on than even the Model M. In case you don't know, it's the earlier, more expensive keyboard with capacitive buckling springs, as opposed to membrane buckling springs in the Model M. It sounds more metallic, high-pitched and crisp as a result. I highly recommend a Model F XT if you can tolerate the strange layout!

    59. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Chryzopraz · · Score: 1

      I have one at work. A decade or more time ago I was looking through some old equipment intended for liquidation. And I've found one still in working condition. It's still with me, I'm typing on it. And I will take it with me to my grave ;-) It's the Lexmark Model M made in 1995.

    60. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      I'm curious - I've used Model M and Model F keyboards for, oh, nearly 25 years now and I've never noticed springs starting to "wear". Maybe if you popped the keys off all the time to mess around, you might risk damaging a spring. Otherwise they seem well protected and certainly don't appear to suffer any ill effects from being pinged back and forth thousands of times a day. What's the typical failure?

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    61. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      If yours have the detachable cable (SDL connector) you can buy a replacement cable that has USB on the other end. Inside it contains a "Soarer's converter" which is the best PS/2 to USB converter.

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    62. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Ctrl-Alt-Del followed by Enter also locks the screen quickly.

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    63. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      You seem perfectly normal to me. I lost my last model M to the burglars, but do sometimes think about replacing it.

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    64. Re:I've been using Model Ms for 20 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must admit that when we were bored computer operators, we used to move all the key caps about to ensure the next shift had something interesting to do when they arrived.

  2. It makes the noise by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Funny

    It makes that sweet, sweet noise. It's the Stradivarius of keyboards.

    1. Re:It makes the noise by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I prefer the KeyTronic keyboards over the rest.

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    2. Re:It makes the noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you refuse to bath for weeks on end, you can complete the process of alienating everybody from your work area.

      Those old keyboards were incredibly loud and you shouldn't need to press keys that hard. A proper keyboard will last many years anyways and is a lot less distracting. Many of us were grateful when the newer keyboards stopped being so loud.

    3. Re:It makes the noise by nukenerd · · Score: 2

      Those old keyboards were incredibly loud and you shouldn't need to press keys that hard.

      The sound a Model M makes is nothing to do with how hard you press it, and nothing like as bad as nearby people in open offices (see other /. article today) banging on about beer prices in hotels on the Costa del Sol, and re-telling for the 10th time the story of how their holiday luggage was lost on the flight there.

      Terminals to IBM mainframes not only had a natural click (built like a Model M?), but actually had a little loudspeaker to give a louder artificial click too - because that is what typists were used to. The speaker could be turned off.

    4. Re:It makes the noise by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      It certainly adds gravitas when using it with my Raspberry Pi.

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  3. M13 by abrotman · · Score: 1

    I still have an M13, the model with the Trackpoint in the middle of the keyboard. When doing work that isn't on my laptop, that's the one I tend to prefer. Makes it easier to avoid moving your hands to use the mouse when necessary.

    1. Re:M13 by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      You mean a "nipplemouse?"

    2. Re:M13 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AKA "clitmouse"

  4. Misophonia by Enthrad · · Score: 1

    I hate with the darkest and deepest of hatred the users of all these super clicky keyboards.

    1. Re: Misophonia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not hate it but I can feel you pain if thatâ(TM)s something that bothers you. My supervisor sits opposite the office floor, maybe 150ft, in his own corner office and I can always hear him clacking away. He's quite forceful about his clickety clacking so his typing tends to be extra loud. I donâ(TM)t mind it though as I can always tell when he is in.

    2. Re:Misophonia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I hate with the darkest and deepest of hatred the users of all these super clicky keyboards.

      It's OK. They hate you, too.

    3. Re: Misophonia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly didn't know it bothered you so much.

      You know, you could have at least told me instead of passive aggressively posting as AC on /.

      I'll bring you in some ear plugs on Monday so you don't go deaf and try to file some bullshit workplace hazard/injury complaint.

      In the meantime I'll continue with my clickity clicking so at least you'll know when I'm hard at work, like you should be too.

      Sincerely,

      Your Supervisor

      P.S. You still haven't signed and submitted your timecard for approval for last week. It will not be my fault if you don't want to be paid.

    4. Re: Misophonia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try living with a condition like misphonia and the lack of concern most other people have these days about how noisy they are. You'll change your tune very quickly.

    5. Re:Misophonia by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      While I don't have the same amount of love and affection for these keyboards as you do, I never really liked them ether. I do agree that after the fall of civilization alien archaeologist, a long with the Ford F-150, will be digging them up and using them. I just never liked the feel of the keyboard or the noise they made.

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    6. Re: Misophonia by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Lexmark actually made a quiet version of the Model M for libraries that used silicone to lubricate the buckling springs. Unfortunately, the lubricant eventually dried out, and AFAIK, was a proprietary formulation made just for Lexmark that has no current source today (and might have even been "lost, for real" as the company changed hands, employees left/died, and old records were discarded). Or... it might just be a case of, "the original supplier can make it for you... but you'll have to buy at least 10,000 55-gallon drums of it if you want them to do a manufacturing run just for you...")

    7. Re: Misophonia by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Apparently a good way to quieten a Model M (or F) is to insert a short strand of dental floss in the middle of each spring.

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  5. Similar by dskoll · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't have an actual Model M, but I have the clone made by Unicomp, both at home and at work. Nothing else will do!

    1. Re:Similar by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Cherry keyboard here. No, not just Cherry switches, Cherry keyboard. They're a bit more expensive, but well worth it.
      And, it doesn't have a Windows key, and has the ctrl key where it's supposed to be, left of the A. (What marketing idiot thought that caps lock was more important than ctrl and decided to switch them around?)

    2. Re:Similar by Simon+Rowe · · Score: 1

      Me too, an MY 3000 made in Germany. I had to replace the original cable as it had a 5 pin DIN plug on it.

    3. Re:Similar by dskoll · · Score: 1

      I've given up the Ctrl fight. :( I was messed up for months when the switch happened, but now I'm used to it.

    4. Re:Similar by admin7087 · · Score: 1

      I used to use a Unicomp but for reasons of desktop space switched to a programmable Poker keyboard with blue switches. I personally prefer the snap of the Cherry switches, but the Unicomp is still an awesome keyboard. The programmable option was important to me, because I need to have Ctrl on the Capslock key and not all mechanical keyboards allow this.

    5. Re:Similar by CBMFreak · · Score: 2

      Cherry keyboard here. No, not just Cherry switches, Cherry keyboard. They're a bit more expensive, but well worth it. And, it doesn't have a Windows key, and has the ctrl key where it's supposed to be, left of the A. (What marketing idiot thought that caps lock was more important than ctrl and decided to switch them around?)

      ahh cherry mx switches.. red, brown, black, blue, white, green etc.. expensive, but just as good as the old IBM keyboards. my ncore retro uses cherry mx white and my roccat uses cherry mx red those 2 and my 2 IBM model M's are my best keyboards, then I have some older CBM keyboards that are also pretty nice... the rest? crappy crappy cheap rubber dome .. my ncore retro is my primary keyboard when I write novels. most top end mechanical keyboards allows the disabling of windows keys.. the ncore and roccat are no exceptions

    6. Re:Similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Cherry G80 also has a DIN plug on it (and the XT/AT switch), but I didn't replace the cable, I just bought a cheap DIN -> PS/2 adapter.

    7. Re:Similar by Labarna · · Score: 1

      I find that the unicomp keyboards feel "good enough" compared to the model M keyboards. The only problem is having it in the bedroom when the significant other is trying to take a nap.

    8. Re:Similar by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Just wanted to say that the model M is great, but it's hardly the be-all and end-all of keyboards. There are loads of great boards out there, both old and new.

      There are so many types of switch, so many layouts, if you are really interested you can find the perfect keyboard for your tastes.

      Or if not the Unicomp models are great.

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    9. Re:Similar by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      No to mention that my taste in keyboards seems have changed as I've gotten older. I like my keyboards quiet. I'm a big fan of the logitech K360 and the K780

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    10. Re:Similar by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I really like my little Cherry G84 keyboard. Wait, what do you mean, Cherry ML switches suck?

      Damn. Even within the elite, there's snobs.
       

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    11. Re:Similar by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      There are loads of great boards out there

      There are now. Ten years ago you couldn't get a newly made keyboard with decent tactile feedback if your life depended on it. The Norton Omniclick keyboards from the 80's had long since died so if you wanted a decent click it was: find one of the old ridiculously reliable model M's.

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    12. Re: Similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went with the Das Keyboard Ultimate. Nice finish, USB hub on the side, no key markings (keeps others off my computer, even if they knew the password they couldn't log in!) and they come in a range of Cherry Switch flavours to suit your taste.

    13. Re:Similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I have been using the K740 for a few years now and I like it a lot. The action feels short and it's pretty quiet.

    14. Re: Similar by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Northgate Omniclick (for Pete's sake)

    15. Re:Similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use an Apple keyboard with the Japanese layout. It:s not as bad as it would seem, just some of the *special* punctuation keys )like the brackets and parenthesis0 take some getting used to when touch-typing.

      Makes programming a lot of fun, and my code looks like a Slashdot post made on an iPhone with smart quotes on+

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    16. Re:Similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. I really like my little Cherry G84 keyboard. Wait, what do you mean, Cherry ML switches suck?

      Damn. Even within the elite, there's snobs.

      Cherry MX all the way.. No low profile variant will be found in MY keyboard collection :-)

      - CBMFreak

    17. Re:Similar by linuxwrangler · · Score: 1

      Same here. One Unicomp at home and at work. Both are in the 18-20 year old range and both work fine.

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    18. Re: Similar by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      In my defense, that was 30 years ago.

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    19. Re:Similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i LOVED MY OLD IBM pc KEYBOARD, and last spring, bought a Unicomp one. Just two days ago, I tried to return to a wireless keyboard (Lenova). I couldn't type. the wireless keyboard keytops were too flat, and the travel too short. Two hours of punishment before I returned to the UNICOMP

      My Unicomp has an internal bios chip to decode keys and debounce. The keyboard has 2 key rollover, and if I am depressing a Unicomp keytop while the system is booting I can get a keyboard lockout. I figure it's some bug in the keyboard chip.
      The way I solved this issue is to not depress the keyboard before a certain amount of computer bios boot activity has occurred.
      If I screwed that up, I just unplug and replug the USB connector for the keyboard. I do think that people who have the ps2 connector type cable would not experience this problem.
      very rarely on occasion (once a month or twice a month), Linux sees multiple key presses for a single keypress. I just backspace to remove the duplicate entries and continue typing.
      Would I buy another keyboard from Unicomp? Definitely. My model is the "Canadian French" PC105 physical layout with two key switch (right windows key with right alt-char).

    20. Re: Similar by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I grew up in the city that was Northgate's home town. They were a PC clone outfit for the most part. The keyboards were about the only thing worth remembering that they sold. I remember late in their history going into their outlet store. I shoulda bought a bunch of the keyboards. I think I bought Micrografx Designer there at 50% off.

  6. Unicomp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you either canâ(TM)t find a Model M or would prefer to have new hardware with modern layout adjustments, Unicomp sells a decent clone of the Model M for about $100. I used Model Ms at home for years, and Iâ(TM)m satisfied with the Unicomp keyboard I use at work now.

  7. Ego Stroking. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Having an actual Model M is pointless unless you want to feel superior to other mechanical keyboardists.

    My keyboard is a ~$40 no-name with 'blue' keys. It works just fine. It has a white backlight for dungeon coding sessions.

    1. Re:Ego Stroking. by KixWooder · · Score: 2

      It's not pointless when it cost me $5. I picked mine up at a local thrift store.

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    2. Re:Ego Stroking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having an actual Model M is pointless unless you want to feel superior to other mechanical keyboardists.

      My keyboard is a ~$40 no-name with 'blue' keys. It works just fine. It has a white backlight for dungeon coding sessions.

      well you should really buy a mechanical keyboard that costs more than 40 bucks... really...

      but the cherry mx keys themselves are just as good as the old model M...

      however.. a model M is quite a bit cheaper if you look for it.. so when it comes to quality vs price.. nothing beats model M..

      modern keyboards with cheery mx switches often looks a lot better though, but carries a hefty price if they are to match the overall quality of model M

      so model M? not so pointless

    3. Re:Ego Stroking. by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      There's something cool about having such a vintage keyboard that still works perfectly, and better than most of the contemporary equivalents.

      It's true; if you just want a mechanical keyboard there are a lot of modern options out there. But having an actual vintage 30 year old keyboard is nifty. Also, the contrast of having such a 30 year old keyboard plugged into a sleek, modern looking iMac is amusing. :)

    4. Re:Ego Stroking. by gravewax · · Score: 1

      well you should really buy a mechanical keyboard that costs more than 40 bucks... really..

      why? what the fuck does it matter what is costs as long as it works and is comfortable for you to type on. I use an old mechanical keyboard that doesn't even have a visible brand name on it, might have worn off but regardless it is fine and probably didn't cost me much more than 40 bucks when I bought it a couple of decades ago.

    5. Re: Ego Stroking. by CBMFreak · · Score: 1

      Because the feel of a keyboard is more than the quality of the keys. . It is also a sense that the rest of the keyboard is made from quality materials instead of cheap flimsy plastic. ... its like putting a v12 Lamborghini engine in an old rusty vw golf mark 1 without upgrading any other parts of the car

    6. Re:Ego Stroking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me of the Dogdude "Who cares?" post about OLED TVs.

      This is (or at least started out as) a website about technology. If your interest in keyboards and other computing devices and peripherals ends at "works just fine" then perhaps your time would be better spend elsewhere.

    7. Re: Ego Stroking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a load of horse shit. as long as the keyboard is recording each of your keypresses correctly and is comfortable for the user it doesn't matter whether it is made of 50 cents worth of plastic or solid gold.

    8. Re: Ego Stroking. by gravewax · · Score: 1

      sounds like you have spent to much time listening to marketers and sales people.

  8. (Whisper) Model F by efscher · · Score: 1

    Wait till he tries a Model F with those *original* buckling springs... (there is a revival project getting close to shipping, see https://www.modelfkeyboards.co...

    1. Re:(Whisper) Model F by yeokm1 · · Score: 1

      Actually I did try a Model F as shown in my blog post. I prefer the capacitive buckling springs of the Model F but the "modern" Model M layout won out in the end.

    2. Re:(Whisper) Model F by arth1 · · Score: 2

      www.modelfkeyboards.com. uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for the following names: acmilan-online.com, autodiscover.acmilan-online.com, cpanel.acmilan-online.com, mail.acmilan-online.com, webdisk.acmilan-online.com, webmail.acmilan-online.com, www.acmilan-online.com

      If they can't even get that right, why would I think they can get keyboards right?

    3. Re:(Whisper) Model F by Megane · · Score: 1

      I have a decent stack of Model M keyboards that I acquired from thrift stores back in the late '90s, including a few space saver, but the main reason I don't use them is that I mostly type on a Mac, and I need the command key. USB isn't much of a problem because adapters are a thing. Is it possible to transplant individual keys like Cherry key mechanical keyboards? Someday I might want to try adding command keys and put in a microcontroller to make a USB version.

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    4. Re:(Whisper) Model F by Megane · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention that I also have two Northgate Omnikey keyboards of different layouts. The code ROM is even socketed in those, and I dumped them years ago. That's what I really want to put a USB micro into.

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    5. Re:(Whisper) Model F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      works here.

    6. Re:(Whisper) Model F by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      GP's link is bad, with a dot after the slash.

      Slash... dot... hmm, that reminds me of something.

    7. Re:(Whisper) Model F by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      I remap command to alt on my mac. It's in the system preferences.

      The model M has plastic key caps that fit over each key. You can take them off, move them around, whatever you want.

      https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp...

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    8. Re:(Whisper) Model F by willoughby · · Score: 1

      If you search the web for "soarer's converter" you'll find info on a gadget you can build for less than $25 which will convert your Model M boards to USB, and also add full programmability - put any key anywhere, switch right ALT to CMD, etc.

    9. Re:(Whisper) Model F by Megane · · Score: 1

      That's great. Now what will I use for an option key?

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    10. Re:(Whisper) Model F by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      I'm using my model M with a macbook so the couple times a month I need to use the option key I reach forward.

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  9. Old 80's Siemens keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was the best one I've ever used. Low, soft keys that gave a quiet tapping sound instead of the then typical clonking sound, or the clicky sounds of newer keyboards.

    Wish I still had it.

  10. DasKeyboard by hardluck86 · · Score: 1

    If you want similar quality but new try them.
    This if you are hardcore enough: https://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-ultimate/

    1. Re: DasKeyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the link!

    2. Re:DasKeyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want similar quality but new try them.

      Been a keyboard snob all my life. Done the old IBM thing using AT to PS2 to USB adaptors.

      Then I got a dasKeyboard with cherry blue, USB3 hub, basic media, volume wheels, and sleep button which for some reason is an endangered specious on keyboards these days even though I press it every day.

      Stopped caring about that old crap. They were nice keyboards but this one is much nicer in every way. Had to get a wrist wrest because it has a metal front plate that might look nice but conducts body heat and sharp. Having your hands contact it sucks. Also like the chevrons instead of windows icons on the keyboard.

      The only thing that sucks ass about dasKeyboard are the caps/num/scroll lock indicators. They are ridiculously bright blue leds that send bat signals on the ceiling of the room at night. I normally rolled with num locks on but since getting my dasKeyboard only turn numlocks when I want to use number pad. Needless to say if I were dictator of the world everyone responsible for these obnoxious blue leds would be rounded up and shipped off to labor camps and their free icecream rations revoked.

    3. Re:DasKeyboard by chill · · Score: 1

      Amen. If my computer is on all night for some reason, I have to go and make sure the caps/num/scroll locks are off so I can sleep. You can practically read by their unearthly glow.

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    4. Re:DasKeyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm using a laptop with soft, tiny white LEDs on caps and num lock and power button. Well they have the blueish spectrum typical of bad LED lighting, but the light output is tiny. This could be the solution to the blue LED problem, as white LEDs are even newer (if hardly?) and thus might be more modern somewhat.

      The laptop's monitor is pretty atrocious though with light bleeding through it and very to extremely low contrast if you turn brightness down. It's low end 1080p, scaled at 125% I think. The dpi is so high for me, it's about like a retina display. So, it's both crappy but with very readable text.

  11. Would Love Buckling Spring on Modern Layout by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Informative

    The old IBM Model E (PC, PC/XT) and Model F (PC/AT & PS/2) were fantastic keyboards - I still have a couple of Model Fs (25+ years old) that I use periodically with nary a problem.

    When I say that I would like them with a modern layout, I'm really talking about the Logitech "Wave" and Microsoft "Natural Ergonomic" Keyboards - they work with my old, arthritic hands better than a flat, traditional layout. I would be willing to pay $1,000+ for one of these keyboards with the Buckling Spring although WITH the capacitive sensors of the Models E & F rather than the mechanical switches of the M. The capacitive sensors just never wear out.

    If you do find an old IBM keyboard, you should only try to use a Model F or M, the Model E does not have the bi-directional communications capability of the later keyboards but has the same connector as the PC/AT Model F. While the Model E keyboard uses the same pin functions, electrically they are a bit different and you could burn out a device (ie the USB adapter noted in the next paragraph) that is plugged into it if the device can't handle both.

    You will need a PC connector to USB adapter. These can still be found (10 years ago, you could get them for basically nothing and often came with keyboards) but they may not provide full functionality (ie controlling lights on the keyboard). If you get one and it doesn't seem to work right, then look for another manufacturer's product. On this point, I have not been able to find a PC/AT to USB adapter for years. I have one that is wonky and that has lead me to wire the PC/AT DIN socket to a PS/2 connector and use a PS/2 to USB adapter.

    Finally, IBM considered the best keyboard ever made to be the Model G which was designed for the Displaywriter around 1988. It was not compatible with the Model F but had what IBM considered the closest to perfect touch (along with an operating life that was basically forever without any maintenance).

    1. Re:Would Love Buckling Spring on Modern Layout by Megane · · Score: 1

      These can still be found (10 years ago, you could get them for basically nothing and often came with keyboards)

      The ones that came with keyboards and mice are nothing more than pin adapters for devices that can already speak both protocols. The ones you need for a Model M are the dongle-style adapters that have a PS/2 keyboard and mouse connector.

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    2. Re:Would Love Buckling Spring on Modern Layout by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear - I meant the dongle types that convert the PC/AT keyboard communications (which was used with the PS/2) to USB.

    3. Re:Would Love Buckling Spring on Modern Layout by klui · · Score: 1

      Model Fs are better than Ms because they feature n-key rollover whereas Ms are limited to 2 keys. Ms are actually membrane-based; Fs capacitance-based.

      Only the XT/AT keyboard has the modern layout and I hate the original 5150 layout.

      I currently have several M15s (split keyboard from Options/Lexmark) at home.

    4. Re:Would Love Buckling Spring on Modern Layout by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Before or after some deranged weasel swapped Control (which everyone uses) and capslock (which nobody uses)?

    5. Re:Would Love Buckling Spring on Modern Layout by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      The mode G/DisplayWriter gets my vote for the very best keyboard ever. If only the modules weren't an inch and a half high. But it was so similar to the M that it could be made shorter and be useful.

      Truly though the DisplayWriter was the best keyboard ever.

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  12. Dvorak lost me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really need to be punched in the face for using Dvorak. You lost all credibility there!!!!

  13. Threw Them Away :-( by jvp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know, it's a travesty. And I'm a criminal for doing it, too.

    I attended Clarkson University in the early 90s which was awash with IBM hardware. Students were "given" (we purchased them through tuition) PS/2s, and the labs all over campus were full of IBM RS/6000s. Model Ms were everywhere. Literally. When I left Clarkson, I had a few of them, brand new, still in their boxes. I kept them for a long time, and even tried making them work properly with those awful 6-pin-to-USB adapters. But at the time (this would be late 90s), those adapters were trash and didn't work... well.

    My mistake: I chucked the keyboards. Off to the local electronics recycling center. I think I got rid of 5 of them, if I'm not mistaken. And yes, I should be punished for my crime.

    Today, I use the modern version of the M, built by Unicomp with full USB functionality. They're not *perfect* copies of the original M, but they're damned close. And they still annoy my co-workers. ;-)

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    1. Re:Threw Them Away :-( by Labarna · · Score: 1

      Would that be the (Jeremy) Clarkson University? I know what he would say. "The Model M is the best keyboard.........IN THE WORLD!"

    2. Re:Threw Them Away :-( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has the asshole punched anyone lately?

    3. Re:Threw Them Away :-( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He cunt punched yer mum last week, I heard.

    4. Re: Threw Them Away :-( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too, but she liked it.

  14. 5.3 lbs? Bah! by willoughby · · Score: 1

    My 1985 122 key Model F weighs more than eight pounds. So there!

    1. Re:5.3 lbs? Bah! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      yup, 8.5 pounds. I have the black one with grey keys so it looks as tough as it is. Family hates the sound of it but my fingers love it. Today's keyboards are garbage.

    2. Re:5.3 lbs? Bah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 1981 Osborne 1 keyboard is permanently attached to the nearly 30 Lbs "portable" computer (all drive bays full).

      I still use it because it has a Parallel Port - Read/Write 1's and 0's on a port and the pins directly reflect the change, no additional RS232 or etc. Modulator / Demodulator (modem) circuitry required. We've regressed to the point today that kids these days have to install special "shields" that provide a simulation of what parallel ports provided, just to wire up some basic electronics on their newfangled Arduinos. Screw that, I have nearly unlimited supply of beige box PCs programmable via DOS (because screw recompiling a Linux kernel / module just to interface with the parallel port). Half the fun is letting the kids fry something and learn to be more careful as they lose it all or migrate to a new system.

      TL;DR: Electronics and simple robotics projects are a great way to recycle retro computing hardware. Kiddos like the noisy keys too.

    3. Re:5.3 lbs? Bah! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Silly,

      a lot of motherboards still have parallel port, just need connector and ribbon to bring it outside the case. Geez look at the BIOS screen next time before jumping into DOS.

  15. I have 3. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The combination of the perfect key action, distinctive sound and weapons grade indestructibility of the keyboard is unique... weapon associations are obvious when you listen to someone typing up 200 words a minute on it. But no, the keyboard doesn’t stop working because of dust, breadcrumbs or spilled coffee. Or anything short of power tool aided violence.

    The one “M” keyboard I stopped using had the plastic sheathing of the cable rot away. Who knows what it was exposed to in a previous life.

  16. A fan of a different layout, the "Thinkpad" design by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

    I like the compact size of the Thinkpad keyboard, and the overall feel of it. I have ended up using standalone thinkpad keyboards for years now, and am currently using https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-US-English/p/0B47190. It doesn't have that "click" feel, but works very well, and is portable enough to bring with me wherever I go.

  17. Threw Them Away-Crud. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it like some of the Corsairs* with space underneath the keys so one can clean the inevitable crud out?

    *Metal back-planes like the "M"'s

  18. How does it feel when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You crack it over creimer's yeti-like skull? Does it make a nice springy sound?

  19. Fujitsu-Siemens KBPC-S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a rubber-dome design, but it has lasted more than 20 years. The keys have less throw, which I really like, and it's not so fucking loud. You can keep your Model M.

    1. Re:Fujitsu-Siemens KBPC-S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Creimer's yeti-like skull?

  20. I prefer a Selectric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well.. This one anyway ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2741

  21. 2 reasons I love the M by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    It's durable.
    It's heavy so it doesn't slide around my desk.

    You probably spend more time touching it than you do your spouse. Do you want it to be cheap crap?

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    1. Re: 2 reasons I love the M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your wife or the keyboard? ;)

  22. Why do you need to swap keys for DVORAK? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    Surely the point of the keymap is that you touch type.

  23. Love the feel, hate the noise by BLToday · · Score: 1

    When the early membrane keyboards came out, I got one because my Model M was driving everyone in my house crazy at night. No other keyboard have felt the same but no other keyboard can drive people to want to bash my head in.

    1. Re:Love the feel, hate the noise by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

      There are mechanical keyboards that are a lot less noisy than the Model M, for instance based on Cherry MX brown switches. Granted they are still noisier than a membrane keyboard but have much better feel and durability.

  24. Now tell us why,... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you use free range, organic USB cables and how the tinfoil blocks the mind control rays from the Denver airport.

  25. Multi-purpose by nojayuk · · Score: 1

    If you can't beat a spammer to death with it I won't type on it. Model M FTW.

  26. Hard and heavy by markdavis · · Score: 1

    I don't like the old IBM keyboards because they are so loud and the force to type is too high. But I do love the construction, quality, removable keycaps, non-yellowing plastic, and replaceable cords.

    Nowadays I am stuck having to use a "split" keyboard with raised front due to CTS and RSI. I am constantly amazed at how much difference it makes. If I am forced to use a traditional keyboard (like on a laptop or someone else's desktop), I am in pain in just 10 minutes or less... sometimes lasting hours afterwards.

    1. Re: Hard and heavy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youâ(TM)re in pain because your desk and chair setup arenâ(TM)t ergonomically correct.

      There is ZERO evidence split keyboards or any other ridiculous non standard device do anything real for anyone and arenâ(TM)t just crutches for your hands, at best, which will eventually lead to elbow shoulder neck or other issues as you have not eliminated the pressures but only moved them around.

      Fix your desk and chair setup or be sorry later when you are in severe pain unable to move your arm.

      And fire whatever insane self proclaimed ergonomics expert gave you some toy instead of fixing your real problem.

      Been there done that. Recovered without surgery and now use normal devices pain free.

    2. Re: Hard and heavy by markdavis · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree that there are many other important factors (including rest, stretching, strengthening, body position, monitor height, wrist angles, typing methods), but I also have changed chairs and lowered my desk, too. Also improved arm/hand positioning over the years. I don't know why split keyboards help me so much, but they do (in my case, with CTS and arm/wrist RSI).

    3. Re: Hard and heavy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The non-split keyboard isn't an issue for smaller people and people with narrower shoulders. I haven't had much trouble, but my wrists do bend at a rather unnatural angle in order to use a standard keyboard and my thumbs are jammed up against each other and it encourages my shoulders to jam together and rotate unnaturally as well.

      The wrists want to be in a more neutral position, all things being equal, you want that elbow at roughly a 90 degree angle with the wrist slightly above the keyboard. The monitors should be roughly at eye level, which is my main issue at the present with my set up.

      The keyboard key angle is an issue, but so is anything else where you're holding a body part in a non-neutral way for long periods of time. Eventually one side will lengthen and the other side will shorten, unless you purposefully engage in exercises to prevent it.

  27. Similar, Apple Extended II by turb · · Score: 1

    I use a positively ancient Apple Extended II for many of exactly the same reasons. I could agree more that these positively old keyboards are in so many ways completely superior to current keyboard technology.

    Solid well built devices that are a joy to use, who knew that such things matter....

    1. Re:Similar, Apple Extended II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the Saratoga... same color and size as an aircraft carrier. I remember it well. *Loved* that thing.

    2. Re:Similar, Apple Extended II by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      #keyboardsmatter

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  28. Get a new one here https://www.pckeyboard.com/ by SensitiveMale · · Score: 1

    Nothing beats buckling spring. It's all I've used for 30 years or so. I used to have to use one with a ps/2 to USB adapter. I bought one of the first ones that was native USB.

    Sure, they're loud. They're heavy. You can't really take them apart easily to clean. But they are the best keyboard for your fingers and wrists. They are worth the extra cost.

    1. Re:Get a new one here https://www.pckeyboard.com/ by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Nothing beats buckling spring.

      Topre. I own quite a few keyboards, including a Unicomp (buckling spring). My favorite is my RealForce 87U with Topre switches. Hands down the best switches, better than Cherry MX (brown, clear, red, black, green, you name it) and better than buckling spring. Most people that still clinging to buckling spring just haven't used a decent modern keyboard with modern mechanical switches. They've just used awful, cheap membrane switches in $10 keyboards.

      I highly recommend anyone who's interested in buckling spring to investigate modern mechanical keyboards. I'd start with the reddit r/MechanicalKeyboards.

  29. Model M Vs HP PA-RISC Keyboard by williamyf · · Score: 1

    I did not have the pleasure to use the model M until I went to the university in 1989. Before that only model Fs. Not bad, but cramped... After I tested the Model M, I was hooked!. So, as soon as I could, I bought two.

    I have two (2) Model M Keyboards from 1988.

    Used them through and through (even flew one to Spain while doing my Masters, when every pound counted!). I find the sound helps me concentrate, and if the rate of typing is fast, is a good signal for my coworkers to not bother me.

    But in 2009, I bought a Mac. I needed an USB Keyboard with a "Windows Key" to replicate Apple's "Command" Key (Flower). (until then I was able to use ctrl+esc to get by).

    I went to a Keyboard I repurposed from an HP C9000 PA-RISC Workstation, which kinda-sorta kept my nerd creed...

    Is decent (but a piece of crap in comparison to the M), and at least the Extra Key DOES NOT HAVE a Windows logo.

    If I ever feel the need, and if they do something More interesting with the keyboard controller/software wise, I may get a Unicomp replica. But unicomp keyboards are boring. No backlight. No extra Keys for macros. The only interesting thing is the trackpoint/nipple mouse...

    So, if I had to but a new keyboard, like *now*, I woild get something more modern, like a keyboard with Cherry MX switches, backlight (RGB not necesary), and macro recording functionality and extra keys...

    Now, you are welcome to get on my lawn, ad admire my model Ms, type something on them, and marvel at the tactile and audible feedback...

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  30. Model Ms do break by OYAHHH · · Score: 1

    There seems to be a false nostalgia per the Model M concerning it's durability. Heavy and stout do not equal infinite lifetime.

    In the mid 1990s my first Model M flaked out on me so I would spend a bit of time at Weirdstuff Warehouse in Sunnyvale waiting on new old inventory to show up. I was literally buying them for $15 at that time.

    Then one day I went in and they had a Model M and it was offered at an outrageous price, as I remember, at least compared to what I had previously paid. That's when I quit buying them at Weirdstuff. If I am going to pay a premium price I want a real assurance that it's gonna work out the door.

    Ultimately I bought four more Model Ms. And of the five I own now only one works flawlessly.

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  31. You mean a keyboard clit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  32. Hahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a collection of 91 of these keyboards!

    1. Re:Hahahaha by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Make an account and call yourself Model_M_Overlord.

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  33. I did not like them by peppepz · · Score: 1

    They were very noisy, they had an ugly design, and they were prone to break. Key caps would come out easily and seemed to be printed cheaply. Back then we did not perceive those keyboards to be a premium product, rather the opposite.

  34. I Dissent by zieroh · · Score: 1

    I used to love the old Model M keyboards. For a long time, they really were better than all the rest -- other keyboards had a definite low point in the 80s and 90s.

    I don't feel that way anymore, though. Keyboards -- even the fairly short-throw models -- are now very good and require much less effort to type than the Model M (and clones). After a lifetime of typing (I learned to type on a manual typewriter, no joke) I have come to recognize that a light touch is both better for my hands and makes me a faster typist. That pretty much rules out the Model M. Just the thought of typing on one of those old tanks today makes my hands hurt.

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  35. Offtopic, but highly recommended... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I use a Razer Naga mouse with 12 buttons on the side where your thumb rests. I have them mapped to; cut/copy/paste, escape, delete compile, run, step in/out/over, and toggle breakpoint. Works fantastically for coding and debugging, 10/10, would recommend. I also have the two top buttons set for search/search again.

  36. I was born in 1991 and use a 1988 Model M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got tired of using membrane keyboards so I bought a Model M off eBay a few years ago. It confuses my GF as to why I cherish such an old, outdated, beige, thick, noisy monstrosity and use it with a computer that is 30 years newer. She also assumes I am using DOS when I am actually using bash or PS. Add to the fact that I've got a framed photo of a reproduced IBM PS/2 ad over my desk, have a Pac Man, a vintage 80's logo Apple and a vintage 80's logo Microsoft T-shirt in my wardrobe and have an affinity of 80's music and she is convinced I am stuck in the 80s. Maybe I am, even though I didn't live in the 80s.

    I loved my Model M so much that I bought a Unicomp USB 104-key in beige for my PC in my office at work. I got the same reactions my GF gave me. I couldn't stand the OEM Dell membrane keyboard that the Optiplex got deployed with. Even a cheap $10 Logitech membrane would have been a huge upgrade over that garbage, but the Unicomp is like an S-Class Mercedes.

    1. Re: I was born in 1991 and use a 1988 Model M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such a liar, you lost me at "girlfriend".

  37. Real Model M's belong in a museum by jtara · · Score: 1

    There's no good reason to use an original IBM Model M. They will either be beat to hell or insanely expensive if original unused.

    The Unicomp models are made to the same specifications - Unicomp acquired the intellectual property. I've seen arguments that somehow the originals are "better", but never experienced that myself. You might make an argument about the very early capacitive design vs the vast majority that were made with dome switches. (The Unicomp design uses dome switches).

    It's unlikely many of the capacitive keyboard still work. The electronics were troublesome.

    The later design has the same key-tops, plungers and buckling springs, but pushes on a dome rather than operating a capacitive switch.

    The Unicomp keyboards have modern features including USB connectivity and programmability.

    The big deal about the Model M and Unicomps is the buckling-spring design. When the spring buckles, and you hear the "click", you know that the key-press has "registered", and can lift up on the key. This occurs before the key bottoms-out.

    I've always taken my Unicomp with me, where it is tolerated. Fortunately, I work from home now, so it only bothers people on phone conferences... I worked a year at Sony in their PDIT department in a "bull pen" setup, and nobody complained, in fact, a couple of the developers went out and got Unicomp keyboards. Then I worked a year at Sony San Diego Studio, and the prima-donna in the next cubicle complained. I was given the choice of any MicroCrap keyboard I wanted. I suppose a factor was that the bull-pen arrangement puts people physically further apart than rows of cubicles.

    They do ALL wear out. I've replaced my Unicomp a couple of times, and the springs are feeling weak, thanks for bringing this to mind, time to order a new one! (It's been MANY years, though.) I shall dig-out my compact spare first, though, to see if it has more pep in it's step. This one is at least 10 years old.

    1. Re:Real Model M's belong in a museum by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

      There's no good reason to use an original IBM Model M.

      Except that they are built like tanks, will take lots of abuse and still function, and feel better than any keyboard I've used in more than 30 years. My 1987 model M looks like it's brand new and has given many years of trouble-free service.

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  38. Weapon by PPH · · Score: 1

    A good keyboard should be sturdy enough to beat a man to death with. And then use to write his obituary.

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    1. Re:Weapon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keyboard for the zombie apocalypse.

  39. Modern IBM Keyboard by narcoossee · · Score: 1

    I've been the EnduraPro Black Buckling Spring USB keyboard from PCKeyboard.com for years. I like that it has the pointing stick, like laptops. http://www.pckeyboard.com/page... https://www.pckeyboard.com/

  40. Why I use a keyboard that's older than I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because you're a goddamn hipster.

    There are no IBM keyboards older than I am. I have a few older than you, and many of them have turned into mushy crap and are awaiting refurbishment of brings and broken pivot plates. The Model F is far easier to repair a wider range of issues, often a Model M can be a total loss and much be scrapped and scavenged as parts.

    1. Re: Why I use a keyboard that's older than I am by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      There are IBM keyboards that are older than me, but they would originally have been attached to type 024 or 026 cardpunches or maybe a type 056 verifier. Not very useful now.

    2. Re: Why I use a keyboard that's older than I am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1949? I miss it just barely.

      Today I noticed Target is selling Pink Floyd and Jimi Hendrix on LP. goddamn hipsters.

  41. I wore mine out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had one from new (I'm obviously older that the kid in the article) and used it until all the keys were worn down and one of them eventually wore through and became unusable. I remember it fondly and I still reckon it's the best keyboard I've ever used.

  42. Regression? by jythie · · Score: 1

    I find the regression argument rather confusing since it is not hard to get good high quality keyboards today, they just happen to be expensive. Kinda like how the Model M was expensive in its day too. All that has happened is that now we have a wider range of price points and quality instead of everyone having to pay a premium price for 'the company is probably paying for it' hardware.

    1. Re: Regression? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It was not possible in 1986 to get a 'cheap' keyboard. Any keyboard for an XP clone was a $100 proposition.

      My first clone box, which I built with a used turbo XT clone motherboard (8 Mhz) was from parts I bought at a hamfest swapmeet. The afore-mentioned motherboard, an original 63.5 watt IBM power supply, an IBM MDA display card, a Leading Edge Model D case (which the power supply and motherboard did NOT fit into- dremeled the expansion slots area to get cards to fit, removed the power supply board from it's case and mounted it on standoffs bare in the Leading Edge case) and an original IBM PC keyboard minus cable and enclosure. I think the keyboard was like $15 in that condition. It worked fine with a cable added though it rocked on the tabletop some (outside the enclosure that keyboard has a convex curved back). Case modding wasn't a style thing back then.

      I had access to the IBM tech ref manual (full schematics for everything, including the power supply and floppy drive) to add the keyboard because my dad had a copy (he bought one of the first IBM PC-1's at the employee's discount)

  43. Had one, ended up failing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But it was a 93' made after lexmark moved it all to mexico I think, probably not the epitome of quality.

    For those wondering, had the lights on the top right stop working then some keys started dying, never tried to repair it ended up just getting a cherry mx blue based ducky.

  44. Not EVERYTHING Model-M-related is perfect by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    I love my Model M keyboards. I used to love my Model M2 keyboards with Trackpoints... but their mouse buttons all wore out & broke down to the point of uselessness within 5-10 years, due to the poor design that attempted to simply graft them into the existing Model M shell (with new cutout to accommodate them below the spacebar).

    Unicomp technically sells replacements, but you can't use their replacements without ALSO replacing the stick... and sadly, THEIR stick isn't quite the same as genuine Trackpoint (it flexes more, like a mini-joystick).

    What I really want is a keyboard with silicone-lubricated buckling springs (like IBM originally manufactured for libraries... the University of Miami's library had dozens and dozens of them circa 1990), modern layout with Windows keys (and alternate keycaps for Macs, Linux, etc), a knob for volume control, additional keys to the left (like the original XT's function keys) with OLED or e-ink keycaps & open API, a thin vertical scroll wheel between G & H, a Trackpoint IV-like stick above the spacebar & centered between G & H, and three mouse buttons (like Thinkpads have) below the spacebar that use buttons that can be replaced by technically-savvy end users.

    Why put the stick above the spacebar (or split the spacebar into two below the "B" key and put it between the two halves? IMHO, it's just a better place for the stick. Your thumb is stronger than a hyperextended index finger & can perform precise isometric movements more easily. Maybe as a compromise, give it two independent pointer sticks, and let users choose between 3 configurations... G/H/B stick for scrolling, B-spacebar stick for pointer-movement, reversed functions, or both for mouse-movement.

    Also, n-key rollover, usb (with passive ps2 adapter capability), individually-addressable rgb led inside/behind each key, and a hatch to install a battery and bluetooth controller inside. Maybe optional flip-up feet to raise it high enough to sit over the keyboard on a large 15-17" laptop, and weights that can be removed for air travel.

    Oh... and built-in Mattias halfkeyboard functionality. The patents have expired, so there's no reason to NOT make it a standard capability of every new high-end keyboard. Or better yet, just embed an Arduino Leonardo as the USB/PS2 keyboard controller & interface, so end users can implement it (or custom keymaps, or alternate functionality) themselves (making a mechanical device is hard... programming one is easy)

    1. Re:Not EVERYTHING Model-M-related is perfect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to add a cup holder.

  45. Logitech K120 here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    works.

    Less than $10
    USB.
    works.

    what else ?

  46. The real MVP is the Model 8923 by humankind · · Score: 1

    I don't know why people think the Model M is all that. I think the best overall keyboard, is the classic "clickly/chicklet" keyboard from IBM, the Model 8923. They're still highly sought after and last forever.

  47. I prefer something more modern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had a few model M keyboards, but I honestly prefer modern MX switches.

  48. We are emerging from the dark times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We went through a dark period where the industry seemed to think the IBM PC-jr keyboard was the epitome of keyboard design. Just like Apple's keyboard, it was compact, wireless, with cheap buttons instead of clicky tactile switches and sculpted keycaps. But good keyboards are coming back, mostly advertised for "gamers," with Corsair, Razer, Deck, Das Keyboard, and several others getting into the act.

    Still nobody using the ultimate keyboard layout, the IBM 3179, but the Model M layout is good enough.

  49. Model F & custom builds by Zobeid · · Score: 1

    Real die-hard keyboard geeks tend to favor the IBM Model F that came with the original IBM PC, XT and AT systems. They're built like tanks compared with the flimsy plastic Model M, and the key action is better. However, they do require a converter to use on modern PCs, and the key layout is kind of funky and takes a bit of getting used to.

    The other thing that has to be said is If you are willing to put in the time and money, today you can build a keyboard from readily available parts that (IMHO) beats the Model F, and you can customize it to fit your own preferences while you're at it. Here's my own personal example http://zobeid.zapto.org/misc/z...

  50. Love the Model M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Through they years, I have grabbed every IBM Model M I could get my hands on. Best keyboard ever. Incredible touch, tactile response,more rugged than a Sherman tank! One of my favorite videos from the early days of the public internet was a guy beating the crap out of his monitor with a good old Model M.

    I am old enough and have been in the IT world long enough to answer the trivia question "why did IBM make them?". Hint - think "feel" of the IBM Selectric typewriter and the need to facilitate conversion of secretaries from typewriters to computer terminals.

    I just gave one to my daughter's boyfriend (a relatively geeky type) last week. One of their friends, who is possibly even geekier, is now intensely jealous. I may have to dig out one from the attic and give it to him.

    IBM sold the facility in Lexington KY where they built them YEARS ago. The buyer (I think it was Cherry if I recall) still makes this keyboard design. They are not cheap, but they are reputed to be very faithful.

  51. People hated these loud clicky keyboards! by antdude · · Score: 1

    My former cubicle co(lleague/worker)s hated me typing on clicky keyboards since I type fast like a machine gun. Even my own bosses! They tell me to use quieter keyboarders, but then I told them I won't do well in my jobs. :(

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  52. Why I Don't Use A Model M Keyboard by jdschulteis · · Score: 1

    I don't use a Model M because they make that infernal racket, the actuation force is too high, and the key travel is too long.

    If that's what you like, fine, but I hope I don't have to sit nearby.

    Back in my university days, there was one bank of terminals (yes kids, multiple students shared one computer!) that were always in use because they had great Hall-effect keyboards--sadly I don't remember the make or model.

  53. to each his own but I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm old enough that I was already using computers when the Model M was first released. I found them loud and offensive back then. Personally the chiclet style keyboards are what I love. I love that they're quite and that they're low profile. I like my fingers to float over the keys, not pound at them. I love that when I swap between a desktop and a laptop, my keyboards feel much the same.

    That being said, if you like those old guys, then go in peace.

  54. Don't have model M :-( by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I have to make do with a KB-8923 from 1990. It's pretty good though, well ahead of any other I've tried. I suspect the unavailability of anything with PS/2 ports to plug it into will lead to its demise before it actually fails. Courage!

    P.S. I would have posted earlier but needed two buddies to come round and help me turn it over to see the label.

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  55. Care and feeding of an IBM Model M keyboard by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

    Interesting read at http://www.tavi.co.uk/ps2pages... with further references. Windows keys never missed without Windows. ;-}

    Its sounds are the silver (machine gun rounds of) bullets to never have to share an (open-plan) office again.

    Comment written on the highest-serial-number IBM Model M known to exist in my country's layout actually (if Wikipedia's got this correct)...

  56. Poseur! by Katatsumuri · · Score: 1

    I am 3 years old, and I am using an abacus which is older than your mom!

  57. Whish I had by Gim+Tom · · Score: 1

    Where I worked long long ago we trashed all our old Model M keyboards. And I do mean trashed as in the can. My boss retrieved a few of them and took them home and that is something I regret not doing to this day. My wife went looking for some on eBay over a decade ago, but the best she could find were some Model KB's which, while good and is what I am using now, is not in the same league as the Model M. I have looked at and bought at least a dozen other keyboards over the years and use them on machines other than my primary computer, Fortunately, I have been retired now for over ten years and am not chained to the keyboard as in those past days.

  58. RGB backlights are mandatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RGB backlights are mandatory. I am happiest alone in the dark and the montior does not light up the key enough. I knew QWERY well enough in the dark but I struggle with the top two rows. The backlights doesn't have to be RGB but that icing on the cake. I love when they "breathe".

  59. The best keyboard I've ever used is... by necronom426 · · Score: 1

    The one on my 1987 Amiga A500. It's astonishingly good. I loved using the IBM Model M, but the A500 one is better. It was made by HI-TEK and I think gets called the Space Invader keyboard because of the shape of the plastic parts under the keys.

    I really wish I could buy one like that for the PC.

  60. I use Model Ms by kantuck-nadie · · Score: 1

    I have two Model Ms. Actually one is an Unicomp Model M replicate, the other is an actual Model M, my (ex) GF gave me about two years ago. Her's is actually from one of her first IBMs (around mid-80s.) It still works as good as any. Why do I use MMs? Quality. Unlike many, many people and the entire culture. I don't see any reason to throw away something when a new model comes out after 3 months. With features barely more advanced. If it works and does what you want, why throw it away and pay another $500, 1000, or more for it? Just think of what else you could put that $500 into? Car, rent, utilities, or even a fine dinner (maybe :). Keyboards are the link to my livelihood. A programmer, writer, web writer and the like I need a reliable and sturdy keyboard. My GFs is 33 years old and I still use it. For my other systems, I have a Unicomp that feels almost as good as this keyboard. eBay has MMs for around $50 and if you can get the same quality from a used one and it last 5, 10, 15 or in this case 33 then you're getting your money's worth and it's actually cheaper in the long run. I use EMACS/Org-mode for 99% of my writing as well. Which goes to show that you don't need the latest greatest to do your work or pay huge fees for something. I'd rather put those savings into something really something nice. Think of it...

  61. Replaced the keycaps with real APL keycaps. by dakra137 · · Score: 1

    I did this in 1986 to the predecessor to the M, the keyboard for the PC/AT, with the 10 function keys on the left:

    The keycaps were two parts. The upper parts were interchangeable with keycaps for the newer 3270 terminals. Every 3179 terminal came with a box containing an alternative set of keycaps with both normal and APL symbols. I salvaged a set from the trash and installed them on my PC/AT's keyboard.

    Fortunately, with only two or three exceptions, the placement of the APL symbols for APL\PC matched what was on the keycaps. I took care of those inconsistencies with a fine point permanent marker.
    Viola, no stickers needed.

  62. Model Ms rule! by therealbev · · Score: 1

    We buy them at yardsales whenever we see them. I spilled coffee into the 1988 model (a special year for me) while it was running and ruined it, a real tragedy. I'm using a 1992 now (no difference that I can tell), but I'm being really careful about spills. Given the way the key undertops are fastened to the rest of the mechanism I had thought that it was proof against anything but a serious flood, but I was wrong. So I have spare keys now, anyway.

    Hubby is using three, and we have a few spares. I hope. I don't want to find out that I'm wrong. It really gripes me that you can't get cheap USB adapters like the little green ones that go the other way.

  63. keyboard envy by mcswell · · Score: 1

    Oh, I'm jealous... I just posted (somewhere above) my rant about the Windows key and the misplaced keys. And now I find someone who actually _has_ what I want.

    Guess I've reached that point where the going gets tough... and the tough go shopping.

    1. Re:keyboard envy by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Not sure whether you still can get the ones with CTRL in the right spot, but you can always reassign the keys. Cherry keyboards aren't super-cheap, though...

  64. Use what works for you by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    I never cared for either the Model M or the original IBM PC keyboard (similar feel, different layout). Too stiff and too loud for my taste. But if they work for you, use them; there is no reason to retire a piece of technology that works just because it's old.

  65. Klickety-Klack by jman.org · · Score: 1

    When I decided to learn touch-typing, Dvorak seemed the natural choice, not due to speed but effort. I also played guitar, and the idea of my fingers moving 1 mile a day with Dvorak, versus the average 16 that a Qwerty typist churns through, seemed a no-brainer.

    A hundred-some dollars later, I had a Northgate Omni Key Ultra with dip switches so it toggle to Dvorak mode, and had also sprung for the caps where keys had changed rows. Mavis Beacon and a month's time helped me learn the layout.

    Don't have that keyboard anymore, but having known how to touch for nearly 30 years it's irrelevant, as all modern operating systems now support Dvorak as a "language". I do still have my clunky DAS Keyboard though, from back in the PC days, with no stencils on the keys. Between blank caps and the Dvorak layout, it was great security through obscurity.

    Having switched to Apple in '09 with an MBP, I've gotten used to the tactile feel of that keyboard, and use a wireless Matias on my desktop rig when not on the laptop.