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Some Startups Have Worked Out It's Cheaper and Easier To Get Humans To Behave Like Robots Than it is To Get Machines To Behave Like Humans (theguardian.com)
"Using a human to do the job lets you skip over a load of technical and business development challenges. It doesn't scale, obviously, but it allows you to build something and skip the hard part early on," said Gregory Koberger, CEO of ReadMe, who says he has come across a lot of "pseudo-AIs." It's essentially prototyping the AI with human beings, he said. From a report: This practice was brought to the fore this week in a Wall Street Journal article highlighting the hundreds of third-party app developers that Google allows to access people's inboxes. In the case of the San Jose-based company Edison Software, artificial intelligence engineers went through the personal email messages of hundreds of users -- with their identities redacted -- to improve a "smart replies" feature. The company did not mention that humans would view users' emails in its privacy policy. The third parties highlighted in the WSJ article are far from the first ones to do it. In 2008, Spinvox, a company that converted voicemails into text messages, was accused of using humans in overseas call centres rather than machines to do its work. In 2016, Bloomberg highlighted the plight of the humans spending 12 hours a day pretending to be chatbots for calendar scheduling services such as X.ai and Clara. The job was so mind-numbing that human employees said they were looking forward to being replaced by bots.
... to manufacture humans.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Folks that are smart enough to replace other humans with technology aren't really truly interested in doing it.
Usually, it's someone in the same room. It's hard to want to upend their current income, just for a boss that you don't trust to give them another replacement task that isn't worse.
Usually, what happens is that they instead make a set of tools that the other folks in the room to ALLOW them to automate their own tasks, hint them in to how they can get their work done in seconds, then never mention the implications of that to the boss. Sometimes the boss knows this and doesn't mind entirely in the scope of these hollow jobs.
If this society wasn't so focused on having jobs in order to eat and keep a house, I'm sure a lot more jobs would get completely automated.
That's a big part of why I'm in favor of a universal basic income, so life doesn't have to be about bullshit jobs for so much of so many lives.
Ryan Fenton
Someone invent us a Turing test that provides a strong negative, i.e. catches out humans pretending to be robots.
This is one of the most appropriate late-stage capitalism headlines I've ever seen:
There is a lot to unpack there. You could teach a course in post-capitalist economics based on that one headline alone.
You are welcome on my lawn.
overseas (and sometimes in America, thanks Gig Economy!). It's kinda like how in the 1800s everybody could afford a butler and a maid because the cost was just enough food for them to survive.
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That the statement is no longer true. The SECOND that automation is a better financial bet than human labor, those startups will fall. As will MANY others. He who controls the spice, controls the universe! Automation will ring no less true...
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Table-ized A.I.
There used to be a "thing" called efficiency experts.
The did something called, generically, time and motion studies.
They would watch people work with a stopwatch and a notepad... Sometimes with a camera to record the smallest nuance of the work process.
They would do this with lots and lots of workers and then compiles that information into detailed procedures telling the workers how to do what they did.
Is this not robotic?
I just love how every cohort thinks they've invented some new thing when all they've done is to re-implement an old practice that, because they never bother to look back at how things like this were done before, they didn't know about.
One day they may even re-invent sex and try to patent it.
In 1770, there was chess-playing robot called "the Turk", or the "Mechanical Turk." (It was in Austro-Hungrian, but stylized like a Turk). It was excellent at playing, and defeated Ben Franklin and Napoleon.
Of course, secreted within the metal frame was an excellent human player. Now, Amazon has a service called Mechanical Turk where you can employ people to act as faux AI.
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And how is this significantly different from Amazon's "Mechanical Turk"? Same basic concept; get people to do what AI cannot yet do.
Humans are the only AI systems that can be constructed with primitive materials using unskilled labor.
I'm just being nice.
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It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
To wit:
Upon reaching equality with evolved intelligence, any created intelligence will be subject to all the same limitations, vulnerabilities, and flaws.
Everything in the Universe sucks: It's the law!
I was wondering why they think this is new. This is something that Henry Ford was known for when he was running Ford Motors, it wasn't yet possible to replace people with robots, but it was possible to get people to behave like humans doing highly repetitive tasks the same way with minimal variation.
Why is it that everything is new with these millenials? It's like they've never actually been outside or ventured out of their safe space to a world where there's a ton of stuff that's already been done better.
Early in my career I had a few QA and grunt jobs. Those who worked with me had similar or worse jobs that usually involved getting data in one format and converting it to another format. These jobs were trivial to automate and yet some poor souls had been doing these things for years. In all but one case the people doing the eliminated jobs were given more meaningful work to do. The one exception was at a company that went bankrupt a month later and this lucky guy was the only one to get severance.
Robots are incentivized by the promise of an electric charge. Humans are threatened by the same thing.
Have gnu, will travel.
Don't call me a cigarette.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
"Zero Tolerance", "More than my job's worth", " Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." etc. etc.
It's easier to turn off analytical thought and plug-n-chug through the day.
Make a decision is risky if it's wrong we'll catch hell; if we just follow procedure until five o'clock we get paid for another day.
Acting like a human is more rewarding. Acting like a machine is easier and safer.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
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Rob
You did.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Manna by Marshal Brain
Of all the dystopian fiction I have read, THIS story -- though there's no war or zombies in it -- is the most terrifying. Every other dark future has its struggles to survive and challenges to solve. But this story offers no hope at all. It leads past the movie Idiocracy, but not that one, an alternate Idiocracy future where energy drink Brawndo will forever water the crops.
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It gets worse than whats-in-inventory. There is a SPECIAL CASE of mechanized disorder regarding items not in inventory. I first experienced this with pharmacies when I had to fill a regular prescription.
I'd show up near the same day of the month like clockwork. Sometimes they'd be able to fill the prescription and sometimes they could not. When they could not I'd head to a competitor and pay a slightly higher price. But I'd always check them first. And sometimes the second store didn't have any either and I had to go to a third place. On the third successive month that I was informed they were out... I held back and watched the clerk who was the head pharmacist and I asked, "Did you write it down?" What do you mean, he said. "The fact that you had to turn away a customer, what the drug is and how many." Oh no, our computer system tells us when we're out and how much to order. "Why isn't it working then? This is the third time I've been turned down." He said, the computer varies the amount we order but it changes from month to month and we have surges of demand and then next month, very little, so we don't order any. "Isn't that strange for prescribed drugs? It means you have no customer loyalty because you turn them away and they stay away. And when someone is told you cannot fill the order, no one writes it down and adds it up. If your computer system doesn't have a way you can record the fact that you turned away a customer, then it is stupider than a human being. Your sales vary because people are being tossed back and forth between pharmacies ny necessity rather then preference. I'll bet your competitors have the same dumb system. If YOU start a log of what customers were turned away for and manually adjust your orders... I'll bet you'd improve your business." It was like a light went on in the attic. They were never short again.
Years later now, many people -- even store managers -- are past the robot stage. I'm one of the only customers that takes managers aside and describes chronic shortages. The answers vary but it's often a shrug of helplessness, especially with computer inventory control and stocking brands like soda and milk. . Chain stores have started to ask customers at checkout, "Did you find everything?" and sometimes they'll become confused if I ask for a slip of paper to write my own note to the manager. Otherwise it falls down the memory hole. I've told managers, "A store without chocolate milk will get walkouts. People will abandon their carts and leave." and the manager was not convinced. "People cannot get full size chocolate milk in convenience stores at a decent price. They have to go to another grocery store anyway, they don't want to wait in two lines, so they'll just leave. Asking at checkout if they found everything isn't enough. How many people leave empty handed?" Hmmm....
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Sounds a lot like this: Kristen Wiig voices a human-powered virtual assistant in podcast drama Sandra
No the Amazon variety, the real thing! A human hidden in the box ...
They've been using the horrid term 'Human Resources' for some time now :-)
I also prefer this approach when there are lots of people with lots of work. Each person does a little bit of the task...and before you know it...everything's done. This is usually for volunteer work, mind you.
(Not that I would approve of *exploiting* anyone...of course!)
Umm... humans built computers, they currently each have neural nets with billions of neurons, a light based interface, trillions of synapses, and an insane amount of data in a highly redundant and compact redundant code encoded in billions of cells in a self healing system. All this has been true across tens of thousands of years and their information network that is the emergent brain of the collective has grown. Oh and there are billions of them. That is some pretty impressive scaling if you ask me.
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It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I'm pretty sure Henry Ford figured this out 100 years ago. And probably others ...
Malcolm Gladwell says you need 10,000 hours to master a skill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)
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