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In World First, Danish Court Rules Stream-Ripping Site Illegal
An anonymous reader shares a report: Convert2MP3 is a site that allows users to download audio from platforms including YouTube. Following legal action carried out by Rights Alliance on behalf of music industry group IFPI, Convert2MP3 has been declared unlawful by a Danish court which has now ordered ISPs to block it. It's the first time worldwide that a so-called stream-ripping site has been declared illegal.
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Is that a final decision, or an appeal is on the way? Also the "alliance" doesn't attack the source directly [ youtube ] but some indirect folks that just press the available oranges and give users some juice ... weird. Did that alliance assess how much good youtube does to them, by popularizing so many new songs (and remind people of older ones) that would otherwise remain in the dark forever?
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Can't plug the analog hole.
>> Danish Court
How does one take a judge or jury filled with jelly seriously?
I used Convert2MP3 site to extract audio from YouTube videos but about one month ago or so I started getting the message "An error occurred: We are sorry. Converting music videos from YouTube is not possible in your territory / region." So I thought the SGAE (spanish version of the RIAA) was involved. A pity because it was a great site that also allowed you to edit some MP3 tags.
I'm surprised it took this long. With all the clout record companies have, I'm surprised it took them this long to find a country to make this illegal in. The surprise here, isnt' that it is illegal somewhere. The surprise is it took this long TO BE illegal somewhere.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
The other day I was in San Jose as a tourist and took a bus. A rather large fellow sitting next to me asked me if he could "rip a stream" and before I knew it, he lifted a leg and I had to change buses immediately.
Sorry, I wondered why you left!
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
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This is pretty much the only way this would have played out as far as I can see.
You run a site, which converts someone else's content into a form that your users can download ... pretty much blatant copyright infringement, isn't it?
Oh, sure, the "yarg fuck the copyright" crowd will say they have a right to convert anything into a form for later use, but I'm not sure I'd agree.
Where I live, ripping a CD I own to MP3 is perfectly legal.
But format shifting from 3rd party sites is an entirely different animal, because what you're providing is a service to turn someone else's stuff into something your users can download.
The copyright lobby are assholes, but this is pretty much the only way I can see that specific case going. The entire reason for this site was to convert stuff they had no legal rights to for someone who also didn't have legal rights to it.
Why not just use youtube-dl like everyone else?
Ezekiel 23:20
On what grounds is this declared illegal?
And on what grounds is having ISPs censor their customers' access a reasonable fix for other parties' declared illegality?
Both have rather far-reaching consequences that I'm sure the judge didn't consider, but it'd still be (Chinesely) interesting to hear the reasoning.
It's trivial to do this locally using Audacity. Send the output through the sound chip and save when done.
That was the music industry's campaign slogan int the 80s. They failed to kill home taping* and despite home taping continuing well into the 90s, they enjoyed their most commercially successful decades ever.
*) Home taping was the practice of recording music streams (from the radio, to music cassettes).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Taping_Is_Killing_Music
Let's see... We have a web service that grabs copyrighted material from a third-party website, then distributes a mechanically-derived work of that copyrighted material... Sounds about right.
Needs to be client-side to avoid the step of redistribution.
Not all the dl apps work on all the clips as expected.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
So... they'll have to use a VPN now?
Captcha: Override
Just download one of the many rippers available. For Linux there is youtube-dl
And here is the code you can use:
youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3
Most ripping sites where just a shell arround youtube-dl anyway and as such limited the program to just a few options.
As you now have the source, you will be able to build your own website that does the same. With little ingenuity, you can have a bookmark in your browser and when you click it when you are on YouTube, it will start downloading to the directory of your choice.
Editing of MP3 can then be done with any MP3 editing program you desire,
You are on /. Behave like it. Now get of my lawn.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Maybe they should point out that legitimate content can be Convert2MP3 and that it's what the user is doing may be infringing, but they can't control what the user does with their software. This smells like a red herring.
A Danish Court does NOT have "World-Wide" jurisdiction, perhaps it only applies within Denmark. Where is it hosted? That's important.
You canb take action now. You are on /. so you have some Internet knowledge.
Build a website around https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/. Not that hard to do. Should be up and running in around an hour.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Ah, but the SGAE in Spain does not really want to forbid things. They want to be able to extort money from everybody.
So, people are still taping FM radio, huh?
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
I must ask, do you not even fit in over at 4chan?
Meanwhile, Denmark has its "båndkopi" (tape copy) fee on practically all storage media -- whether it is being used for music or not -- to compensate for copying.
The collected money is distributed to a select number of rights holders through some scheme by the industry organisation Copydan.
The "båndkopi" fee was created once upon a time because the music industry complained that people could copy music to tapes from records and the radio ...
And now that Youtube and other streaming services are basically serving the same function that radio did, things are different?
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
Ah, but the SGAE in Spain does not really want to forbid things. They want to be able to extort money from everybody.
Nobody expects the Spanish Requisition!
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
A stream and a download are the exact same thing. Only that when it says "stream", your CPU decides to forget where it was downoaded to right after.
Because that is what the instructions say that you, the user, decided to give it.
Which is a pretty damn stupid decision, if you planned on keeping it, and are actually the computer user. (As opposed to merely a user of appliances made with computers.)
This proves again, that most "solutions" we use today, exist solely to circumvent an already retarded base. Like having a fridge in your heated log cabin inside of a ski hall in Dubai "because" it's too warm in said cabin.
These sites should be blocked, they are too high profile and obvious.
There are plenty of other solutions to download and convert locally, and they can do their business in peace.
p.s. 10 more conversions sites just popped up to take the place of Convert2MP3.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
You mean vanillla paste, vanilla paste...!
Damn, now he stuffs it with cuttlefish and asparagus!
You obviously don't use youtube-dl.
An example, please?
Ezekiel 23:20
Liar.
I haven't bought a single piece of music since 1999, when the music industry shut down Napster.
Never will again.
Don't collect music, either. Don't miss it.
Please join me in refusnik.
Not a single centavo for the industry that steals every penny off of artists.
Ah old shithole America, where even nice white Australian ladies get murdered by the Police after asking for their help. Such a better prison is the land of the freedumbs!
The whole, entire, and only point of copyright, is for distributors to leech on creative people and steal their and our money (mostly for cocaine and whores) while not working one fucking bit in their lives, except to avoid working by making you work for them.
That kind of leeching you mean?
Or the one where I go "If you haven't worked for it, then you won't get any money, cause I have actually worked for that, you piece of shit!"?
How evil of me, to not let you steal from me!
as many times as you want to, you just can't store it.
shoot the lawyers goddamit
But but... clearly he's talking about the youtube-dl app store! I have that on my iDroid phone!
Last time i checked, American wasn't on the "Shithole Country" list.. Australia, subject of Queen Queefabeth on the other hand..
Yep. Exists on Windows as well:
https://chocolatey.org/package...
(Chocolatey is a godsend, btw)
Those sites don't do anything that youtube-dl can't do. If there are audio files, it's because YouTube or Twitch have separate audio files on their servers. These sites are basically just giving the user a link to data on YouTube/Twitch's servers.
From the page you linked:
This package was approved as a trusted package on 7/10/2018.
Yeah, I'm really going to trust some fuckwit site that approves things in the future.
You are aware of that, yes?
Warner was even caught red-handed.
Because that advertisement makes them money.
Not that those criminal cokehead Mafia cunts at tha media industry would ever fuckin work a single day for that money. Or give any non-negligible amount of to the actual creative people. (Who get their money from concerts and advertisement.)
After all, copyright is a distributor's privilege to an imaginary monopoly and protection money. NOT an artist's.
Your list is old.
The US has enjoyed shithole status since the mid to late 80's.
Go drive through Detroit, or get sick, or both !
Fattist.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
You can self-distribute. It's easier than ever. But access to a good advertising budget is mutually beneficial for the distributor and content creator in most cases. Is not much different than a VC investing in a startup. They're doing nothing creative, but taking the majority of the financial risk - and then get the majority of the financial reward. The startup would likely never have made money at all without help to stay afloat.
The youtube authors are only giving youtube a license to the content to be used in youtube's platform, so moving the data outside of youtube's network is not allowed. That would give clear warning to the authors of these conversion sites.. If they can't see that problem while reading youtubes TOS, then they haven't done their homework too well.
Of course youtube has some interface which allows downloading the data, but the license granted to youtube doesnt really allow moving it outside of youtube's system. So dunno what kind of hacks these sites need to do to get access to the data files.
> cocaine and whores
It's pronounced hookers and blow.
newpipe on android (get it from f-droid)
US date formatting is retarded.
Correct, it should be YYYY/mm/dd
Please re-read parent post. He did make a perfectly logic and valid sentence.