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Software Beats Animal Tests at Predicting Toxicity of Chemicals (nature.com)

Machine-learning software trained on masses of chemical-safety data is so good at predicting some kinds of toxicity that it now rivals -- and sometimes outperforms -- expensive animal studies, researchers report. From a report: Computer models could replace some standard safety studies conducted on millions of animals each year, such as dropping compounds into rabbits' eyes to check if they are irritants, or feeding chemicals to rats to work out lethal doses, says Thomas Hartung, a toxicologist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. "The power of big data means we can produce a tool more predictive than many animal tests."

In a paper published in Toxicological Sciences on 11 July, Hartung's team reports that its algorithm can accurately predict toxicity for tens of thousands of chemicals -- a range much broader than other published models achieve -- across nine kinds of test, from inhalation damage to harm to aquatic ecosystems. The paper "draws attention to the new possibilities of big data," says Bennard van Ravenzwaay, a toxicologist at the chemicals firm BASF in Ludwigshafen, Germany. "I am 100% convinced this will be a pillar of toxicology in the future." Still, it could be many years before government regulators accept computer results in place of animal studies, he adds. And animal tests are harder to replace when it comes to assessing more complex harms, such as whether a chemical will cause cancer or interfere with fertility."

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  1. Amazing stuff by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Further proof that machine learning and AI has real world use. This is replacing the suffering of millions of animals today. Truly useful.

    1. Re:Amazing stuff by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      Further proof that machine learning and AI has real world use. This is replacing the suffering of millions of animals today. Truly useful.

      Don't worry, soon we'll start seeing AI rights activists, and companies that use chemicals will have to have disclaimers stating "No software was harmed in the testing of this product".

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    2. Re:Amazing stuff by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      I'm ..I'm not sure if this should be modded "Funny", or Insightful ..

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    3. Re:Amazing stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, because /. has had at least a few discussions of robot rights and some pro-rights people were actually serious.
      Moral cheerleadering for every cause, no matter how ridiculous, must feel very good considering how many people do it.

    4. Re:Amazing stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "the rabbit has died" has no meaning anymore.

    5. Re:Amazing stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yo I drizzled mercury on this computer and it was fine so mercury is safe
      you I just drank some mercury and I don't feel so good

    6. Re:Amazing stuff by Junta · · Score: 1

      Of course, it never really did, the rabbit always died, pregnant or not, when they were relevant to the testing.

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    7. Re:Amazing stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Remember the days when General Motors crash-tested vehicles with pigs, dogs, and other animals in them? Tech has saved thousands of animals from further suffering and death. Once they perfect fake meat, maybe animal farming can go away, too.

    8. Re:Amazing stuff by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 3, Informative

      RTFA: https://watermark.silverchair....

      "Practical use of structure activity relationships has therefore been largely limited to so-called read-across, i.e. the pragmatic comparison to one or few similar chemicals...This subjective expert-driven approach cannot be quickly applied to large numbers of chemicals. Read-across dependence on human opinion makes evaluation of the technique difficult and prevents reliable estimates of method reproducibility."

      Do you know what that means? It means using statistical analysis, on large amounts of data, to compare the chemical structures of different chemicals to determine the biological properties of each substance. This means that a new chemical can be compared to an existing chemical and if found similar we would know the biological properties and effects of that chemical. Thus animal testing on a new chemical that is comparable to an existing chemical, which has already been tested on animals, would not be necessary.

      That's not AI. That's not machine learning. It's statistical analysis on a large scale.

      It does not do away with animal testing. One needs to know the effects. Without animal testing you have no understanding of what the chemical will do. The only reason you would not need to perform animal testing is if testing has already been done and the new chemical has similar properties to previously tested chemicals.

      Jackass.

    9. Re:Amazing stuff by denzacar · · Score: 2

      That's not AI. That's not machine learning. It's statistical analysis on a large scale.

      Haven't you heard?

      AI is the new Serverless Quantum Internet of Agile Blockchain Mobile Things Architecture.

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    10. Re:Amazing stuff by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      This is replacing the suffering of millions of animals today. Truly useful.

      There is one thing you a forgetting... this is also putting millions of animals out of a job! ;)

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    11. Re:Amazing stuff by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

      This is replacing the suffering of millions of animals today. Truly useful.

      Now liberals will have to think fast to come up with another reason for hating science.

    12. Re:Amazing stuff by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Further proof that machine learning and AI has real world use.

      That's the catch - it's learned. For it to learn correctly, the initial data set be based on materials actually tested on animals (or people).

      I'm not saying this isn't useful. But understand that it's basically just interpolating within regimes already covered by empirical test data. It's not extrapolation outside the bounds of that empirical data set. It's inherently limited to biological reactions to known substances and chemically similar substances. It won't be able to accurately predict how biology will react to a new material (though it might be able to make a statistically better-than-chance guess).

    13. Re:Amazing stuff by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0

      Without animal testing you have no understanding of what the chemical will do.
      Then use people to find out what the chemicals will do. People are animals.

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    14. Re:Amazing stuff by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter either way because Big Corporations with millions of dollars involved with the development of Chemical 'X' will have their legal department do a risk analysis to determine if it's cheaper to pay off the personal injury or wrongful death lawsuits or to take the loss and kill the product -- and they usually will just take the risk and let people get hurt or die, and bury all the test results showing it's dangerous toxic stuff, won't matter if it's animal testing or software testing.

    15. Re:Amazing stuff by gnick · · Score: 1

      Then use people to find out what the chemicals will do. People are animals.

      If you're doing lethality studies, you'll have to pay your human volunteers MUCH more than the price of a rat.

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    16. Re: Amazing stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get overexcited. You need training data. If anything, more data is better.

    17. Re:Amazing stuff by careysub · · Score: 1

      That's not machine learning. It's statistical analysis on a large scale.

      And that is exactly what machine learning is. Discovering relationships in data patterns on very large sets of data with many attributes using statistical properties.

      Molecules of interest generally have many parts ("functional groups") and many structural patterns. So many in fact that coming up with a consistent way of simply naming the molecules has been a challenge for chemistry for generations. And each of these groups and structural components interact with biological systems in different ways. After many decades of animal testing we have a very large set of data about the effects of millions of molecules on animals. This program finds structural pattern matches within this data that predict biological effects, and matches them to new molecules. If that isn't ML there is no ML.

      It does not do away with animal testing. One needs to know the effects. Without animal testing you have no understanding of what the chemical will do. The only reason you would not need to perform animal testing is if testing has already been done and the new chemical has similar properties to previously tested chemicals.

      It allows up use the vast database of animal tests that have already been done over a century or more. Every new chemical has "similar properties" to other chemicals, usually many chemicals - and many differences too. Finding how those similarities and differences relate to biological effects is what this program does.

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    18. Re: Amazing stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liberals do not hate science. Conservatives tend much more to hate it and believe in literal interpretations of the bible instead.

    19. Re:Amazing stuff by careysub · · Score: 1

      It won't be able to accurately predict how biology will react to a new material

      Except that the paper shows that it does. Not 100% accuracy, but 78-96%, quite good enough to do compound screening.

      What sorts of "new material" do you think they will encounter? Chemicals made out of new elements?

      Chemicals are put together is well defined ways, based on the small number of types of bonds that exist, though combinatorics leads to very large numbers of structures. Most organic molecules are made of just four types of atoms. A few others (phosphorus and sulfur, for example) are fairly common too. All chemicals share motifs, functional groups, and structural features with other chemicals. There are no "completely new" molecules.

      (though it might be able to make a statistically better-than-chance guess).

      It might indeed. In fact, it does better than standard non-chance prediction methods, and astronomically better than "chance" guesses. That is the whole point of the paper.

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    20. Re:Amazing stuff by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      SQIABMTA? Doesn't roll off the tongue.

    21. Re: Amazing stuff by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Liberals do not hate science. Conservatives tend much more to hate it and believe in literal interpretations of the bible instead.

      Liberal haters of science: Anti-vax, No GMO, No Nukes, No TMT. Feelings expressed as endless protests, lawsuits, food labeling propositions and other actions designed to stop science and its applications in its tracks.

      Conservative haters of science are the creationists. Their feelings are expressed as..feelings, which you occasionally see expressed on websites. Have you ever seen an instance - just a single instance - of creationists preventing public infrastructure from being built? If you have, please let me know.

    22. Re: Amazing stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed another important conservative anti-science category: the anthropogenic climate change denialists.
      And they are actively taking political actions to impede needed public energy policy changes.

    23. Re:Amazing stuff by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

      If you're doing lethality studies...

      I imagine that you would still want to do animal studies.

      Untill you are really sure of the AI/ML, you don't prescribe it to people just because the software says "3mg per kg of body mass" is fine.

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    24. Re:Amazing stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha ha, how funny. Are you willing to feel the agony and suffering that just one animal goes through while being used for 'vital research'?
      Oh wait, this is Slashdot, and it's full of immature sociopaths who can't feel the suffering of others. How's that working out for you?
      Vivisection is medical fraud. 90% of drugs that pass animal tests fail in human tests. That's because the animal model doesn't work - it doesn't represent the outcomes in humans. It is therefore a waste of time. And also morally wrong.
      If vivisection is acceptable to the majority of the public, then why are vivisectionists doing everything they can to HIDE what they actually do to animals? Rather like abortionists hide what they do to unborn babies.

    25. Re:Amazing stuff by houghi · · Score: 1

      Just a question? If Perl was used, would it not be the programmers who are being punished? I mean, can you imagine building just a website instead of something AI. You would not even get to multi lingual implementoooooooh, wait. I get it now.

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    26. Re:Amazing stuff by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      This article is probably not the best example of AI, but lets talk about this in general, because it keeps coming up here on Slashdot.

      That's not AI. That's not machine learning. It's statistical analysis on a large scale.

      Much of this "that's not AI" talk is really just moving the goal posts. We thought only an AI could play chess. Now we have machines that play chess, but they are not AI. We thought only AI could differentiate and integrate equations, now software can do that. We thought only AI could win at Jeopardy, diagnose diseases, play Go, beat a human at Quake 3, and drive cars... Now we have computers that do that, but they are not AI.

      The problem is AI isn't well-defined and agreed-upon. It's an umbrella term for a lot of mathematical techniques. The cognitive dissonance of this generation of coders is that we are solving problems, with math, that were once considered limited to the realm of the human brain. At the same time, we are confirming the horrid realization that our brains are just "statistical analysis on a large scale." And the upcoming horror is that we can scale data centers so big that the human brain isn't really "large scale" any more.

      Terry Pratchett, in his book "The Wee Free Men" says:

      It doesn't stop being magic just because you know how it works.

      I have this image of the last human, being escorted to their internment camp, telling their robot overlord that it isn't *really* AI.

    27. Re: Amazing stuff by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      That's a wash because climate activists are peculiarly uninterested in putting technology to work on fixing the problem. They don't support the largest carbon-free energy sources (even hydro, which is still by far the most important renewable worldwide) and they don't support geoengineering to sequester carbon already in the environment. The latest sequestration effort heading for the leftist dumper is a chickpea that has been genetically modified to pull carbon from the air into the soil, where it becomes a long-term stabilant.

      From that well-known fascist source, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:
      https://thebulletin.org/2018/0...

    28. Re:Amazing stuff by denzacar · · Score: 1

      SQIBAMTA (pronounced squib-amta) should do just fine as well.

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  2. Right up till it fails. by Zorro · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but the SOFTWARE said it DIDN'T cause cancer!

    1. Re:Right up till it fails. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. See: tail risk

  3. Who do we blame if it fails? by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we take a toxin that kills us, but had passed Animal Testing, then it is just God playing trick on us. But if it is something that an algorithm didn't realize to check then it is the fault of man. And some poor grad student will get hit with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit for not realizing such a chemical is harmful.

    This is actually with my Tongue in Cheek response. But also a reflection of our culture and its intolerance for mistakes, to a point where we are being held back on progressing, because there could be new mistakes made, even though overall it is a much better solution.

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    1. Re:Who do we blame if it fails? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did *BSD die? Sure, we all know that *BSD is a failure, but why? Why did *BSD die? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record offailure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 20 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD effectively lost all of its market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or isit larger than their troubled personas?

      The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

    2. Re:Who do we blame if it fails? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      I would imagine this would be used to help pinpoint the experiment parameters for the in vivo testing, rather than completely eliminate it. That'd still cut down on a lot of cost and animal usage.

    3. Re:Who do we blame if it fails? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      It really depends on how the software is being used as part of a larger testing process and whether the errors tend to be type I or type II. If the software is only used to determine whether an animal testing stage should be used at all (i.e., why bother killing a bunch of animals needlessly if you're really sure what you have is already going to be toxic) and software is unlikely to classify something as toxic that is truly non-toxic, I don't think there's an issue at all. Instead you get better results as you can determine which chemicals should have priority for testing and can develop safe, useful chemicals more rapidly.

      If on the other hand this software has become the only part of your testing process and it has the opposite problem (it's more likely to misidentify truly toxic chemicals as non-toxic) then we've got a problem. The financial liability for such mistakes is going to fall on the company that sold it, much like it does (at least in theory) currently. There are plenty of examples of drugs or other chemicals that went through proper testing procedures and were certified as safe, but were not. Sometimes it's a result of bad testing processes being followed, other times it's just a statistical fluke where we were 99% confident something was good, but were really just hitting that 1% case.

    4. Re: Who do we blame if it fails? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. No grad student is going to be hit with any lawsuits, unless the grad student starts trying to sell it to people. "Progess" continues unabated.

    5. Re:Who do we blame if it fails? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Well, if you are killed if the test is passed via Animal Testing is Gods will, so why would it not be in any other case. That means the tests are useless and it is all Gods will.

      So I would say: no testing and let God sort it out if Little Jimmy gets polio or not.

      For all those that are not religious: I also have a solution for you: Just do not do any testing. I will give a car example:
      No traffic laws. No maximum speed laws. If you do that in just a few hundred generations you will have kids who will be able to jump away from oncoming cars or have drivers who are able to not hit the kid. Darwin at work.

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  4. Two assumptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) The model is not overfit.

    2) The new compound is within or similar to something within the training set.

    As drugs can be novel chemistry, there is a risk of (2). All models have a risk of (1).

    1. Re:Two assumptions by Vintermann · · Score: 2

      Avoiding overfitting to your training data is easy.

      Models generalize to at least some data it wasn't trained on - that's the whole point. If they don't, they get thrown out.

      But if the new compound is really dissimilar, enough that it can't be said to look like the data in the test set, then all bets are off.

      I don't know enough about chemistry to know if that's likely to happen often. Hopefully, chemists will know if the compound they have an idea for is widely different from existing ones. Humans aren't out of the loop here.

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    2. Re:Two assumptions by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Both chemists and the AI hopefully.

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    3. Re:Two assumptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chemists have been using statistical modelling (QSAR, QSPR) since the 50's which works well when working with classes of compounds already seen. The problem, as stated previously, is how to deal with novel classes of compounds - more biological data is required, which comes from animal testing. And even then, no animal is exactly human, so (rather nasty) side effects can appear in Phase 1.

      The difference now is that there's more iron, which isn't really the problem. The problem is the amount and quality of the data. Very good for physical properties, rather more dodgy for biological ones.

  5. Count me skeptic by admin7087 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe I'm old-fashioned but it seems to me that confirming that a substance is not toxic and predicting how toxic it may be are two very different things.

    1. Re:Count me skeptic by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      They are comparing the chemical structure of chemicals in order to determine the biological properties. If two chemicals are found to be similar, it is reasonable to assume that both would have the same biological properties.

      However, it does not mean animal testing is not necessary if neither chemical was tested. When comparing two chemicals, one chemical needs to be tested in order to understand the effects of the other.

    2. Re:Count me skeptic by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      If two chemicals are found to be similar, it is reasonable to assume that both would have the same biological properties.

      Exactly how similiar? Like H2O & H2O2, for instance? (Note: I tried to use <sub> tags for the 2's, but they don't appear to work here...).

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    3. Re:Count me skeptic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they look at the structure, not just the chemical composition. The shape of H202 is very different from H2O.

      The algorithm presumably is comparing against many known and well understood chemicals. As many of these compounds are large and complex, the algorithm would also be comparing against certain functional groups, as well as the whole compounds.

    4. Re:Count me skeptic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Note: I tried to use tags for the 2's, but they don't appear to work here...).

      Jeez man, there's a list of supported tags right below the comment box which will show you what will work.

    5. Re:Count me skeptic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The algorithm presumably is comparing against many known and well understood chemicals.

      How did those chemicals become well understood? Animal testing. How do we know when the algorithm is correct or not? Animal testing.

      Just a fuzzy-set lookup table.

      The best test to predict reality is testing with reality. We call that science.

    6. Re:Count me skeptic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to say this. Kids these days.
      Thank god not all of them are this dumb.
      But the ones that are are writingnshot on the internet.

    7. Re:Count me skeptic by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm old-fashioned but it seems to me that confirming that a substance is not toxic and predicting how toxic it may be are two very different things.

      Chemists have been able to make a good guess at whether a heretofore-uninvented chemical compound would be toxic for quite some time now. Finding out precisely how toxic something is will require actual testing for the foreseeable future, but finding out whether something is toxic should be easy by now.

      It won't replace animal testing soon, but it may reduce it.

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  6. This will only benefit patent holders. by devslash0 · · Score: 1

    At some point someone will fill in for a patent on this technology. The end result will be rather sad - 1 group of people will be earning billions; the rest of the world will continue breeding lab rats.

  7. Those poor animals by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I say, rather than torture the animals, let us get rid of these government regulations and let the people who want these stupid products test them out.

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    1. Re:Those poor animals by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Any chemist can probably predict toxicology even better than the software... however this is not why companies do these tests. It is simply for liability purposes. I am sure they would be more than happy to quit testing if they weren't exposed to customer lawsuits.

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    2. Re:Those poor animals by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Those poor animals. I say, rather than torture the animals, let us get rid of these government regulations and let the people who want these stupid products test them out.

      The problem here instead of well cared for (poor) animals, you would be testing on literally poor humans. Exploiting the poor isn't what I call an improvement.

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    3. Re:Those poor animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say, rather than torture the animals, let us get rid of these government regulations and let the people who want these stupid products test them out.

      Stupid insulin, painkillers, chemo, vaccines, etc, people should just test them on themselves. Now everyone is a scientist who will document everything properly!

      But hey if one mouse's life is saved.. Hold on I heard a snap noise and have to go check the traps I put in my kitchen.

      Did your sarcasm tags not show up?

    4. Re:Those poor animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say, rather than torture the animals, let us get rid of these government regulations and let the people who want these stupid products test them out.

      You first!

    5. Re:Those poor animals by houghi · · Score: 1

      Well. It is a very good way to get rid of poor people increasing the average income.

      (This is called dark humor.)

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  8. And where was data gathered from to feed the AI? by sickre · · Score: 0

    Animal testing.

  9. source data by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Where's the source data going to come from if we were to stop all animal tests (which you know, sociologically speaking, is where this is leading)?

    The software predicts toxicity based on existing data, right?

    1. Re:source data by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      You'll still sometimes need to do experiments to get new data, but hopefully a lot less often. This model will work best if you already have data for lots of similar compounds. And in that case, there's not much benefit to doing experiments on the new compound. Any data they produced wouldn't improve the model much.

      When you start working on a really novel chemical that's very different from anything you have training data on, this model won't work well, so you'll need to do experiments. Then you can add the new data to the model, and that will help it work for a new area of chemical space.

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    2. Re:source data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the source data going to come from if we were to stop all animal tests (which you know, sociologically speaking, is where this is leading)?

      Illegal immigrants and terrorists. Feel free to add more bogeymen until we have enough.

  10. A good first round solution? by Junta · · Score: 1

    I'm not particularly familiar with the industry, but I was presuming this could be first line of defense, with a smaller round of animal testing as the last line of defense to confirm the safety of the chemicals as attested by the predictions. Trust when the model says it's toxic/irritant, but verify when the model proclaim something to be safe.

    If the models work, then the animal testing should be relatively humane (they should just be getting safe doses at that point) and cheaper/quicker (fewer animals made non-viable through the 'error' part of trial and error, fewer iterations that have to wait for biological processes to run the full course). However if the models are wrong, then the animal testing may bear that out.

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  11. on 350 to 700+ chemicals each? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    with out any text, or data? i am reminded of the invention of a battery found in a mesopotamian ruin. is this another great discovery buried in the sands of time?

  12. Same argument by sjbe · · Score: 1

    There is one thing you a forgetting... this is also putting millions of animals out of a job! ;)

    Funny but the ironic bit is how that is the EXACT same argument people use when we replace jobs that involve handling or emitting chemicals that kill people. We can't stop mining coal despite it killing people because people might lose their jobs! We can't use autonomous vehicles because truck drivers might lose their jobs.

  13. Headline is misleading by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    You'd think that the software beats animal tests every time, but even the summary says, "it now rivals -- and sometimes outperforms -- expensive animal studies".

    "Sometimes outperforms" is not the same thing as beating every time. "Rivals" implies that the two are about evenly matched.

    You take the drugs and chemicals the software says are good. I'll stick with animal tested drugs.

  14. Not tested: carcinogeneity, reproductive toxins,.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "prediction" the algorithm this hypes does not distinguish between "Fatal in contact with skin" and "Harmful in contact with skin". Wouldn't you think that the difference matters? The algorithm uses GHS hazard statements (see wikipedia) but ignores things like carcinogens (!!) and reproductive effects (!!!). I know, I know, "it's better to light a single candle...". But still, this is no where near a replacement for Animal Tests. At what point do can you confidently stop animal testing and use this? Well, never. But who knows, the approach may lead to something useful someday.

  15. The Poison Is In The Dose by sbjornda · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm old-fashioned but it seems to me that confirming that a substance is not toxic and predicting how toxic it may be are two very different things.

    No, you're not old-fashioned, because the old-fashioned people were well aware of the phrase: "The poison is in the dose." :)

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  16. All the past testing by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    can now be looked up by computer.

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  17. wrong approach by Goldsmith · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    Hartungs database analysis also reveals the inconsistency of animal tests: repeated testing of the same chemical can give different results, because not all animals react the same way. For some types of toxicity, the software therefore provides more-reliable predictions than any individual animal test, he says.

    That's not how life science works. When biological or environmental differences lead to variations in test results, those variations are not "errors," they are data. Averaging them out, or presenting a number that implies that variation is not there is incorrect and misleading. Stating that your prediction of animal toxicity (that's what the study is predicting) is more reliable than an animal test because animal tests show wider variance than your prediction model does is pretty dumb.

  18. Reality sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still need to keep testing the animals to make sure AI keeps beating animal experiments.