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'No, Amazon Cannot Replace Libraries' (vice.com)

Over the weekend, Forbes published an article titled "Amazon Should Replace Local Libraries to Save Taxpayers Money," in which the author Panos Mourdoukoutas argued that libraries are no longer important to the community as the result of alternative "third places" like Starbucks, and "no shortage of places to hold community events," as well as streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime and the rise of e-books that have "turned physical books into collector's items, effectively eliminating the need for library borrowing services." The article did not bode well with many, including several librarians. Forbes has since taken down the article. From a report: Hundreds of Twitter users took to the platform to share both their anger with the piece and their love for libraries. People seemed to especially take issue with the author picking Amazon --notorious for its horrible treatment of employees, and accusations of ruining the cities it opens warehouses in -- as a potential replacement. Obviously, as the outrage from these users demonstrates, libraries are beloved and important in communities.

Mourdoukoutas's argument that libraries are becoming less useful is patently false, in a way that's fairly obvious. But the notion that libraries aren't worth their value to taxpayers -- one that fails to take into account the financial returns of a library and expenses of buying these items on one's own -- fails to address the vast importance a library has on its community as a physical space open to anyone in the public. Most of the utilities of libraries are quite obvious, like how they're essential to lowering the barrier of entry on activities that may be cost prohibitive. But many of us aren't aware of the impact our libraries have on our own communities, nor the programs they offer.

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  1. All the content is available on the Internet, but, by chubs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All the content is available on the Internet, but that means you have to sift through all the content on the internet. The benefit of libraries is that its curated. You can ask a librarian questions that Amazon's search service can't comprehend. It's the same reason professional conferences are still relevant. You can find everything presented in a conference on the internet, but until it's been presented to you, you don't have a clue what's worth searching for.

  2. Its simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If libraries are being used by a lot of people, then they are providing value. If there are little or no people using them, then they are providing little value.

    If certain books haven't been checked out in 20 years, maybe its best to have an on-line version available and kiosks instead of shelves.

    1. Re:Its simple by satsuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Libraries act as a backstop to services that have become critical to living in our world.

      e.g. internet access for job search, research, free meeting spaces for students and community groups (sure those can happen in Starbucks, but not everyone has the desire or ability to pay for overpriced coffee), checking out media/movies / documentaries.

      tutoring help, Librarians knowing how to navigate internet searches, old people .. simply holding a book in your hands and reading it.

    2. Re:Its simple by gordguide · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If libraries are being used by a lot of people, then they are providing value. If there are little or no people using them, then they are providing little value.

      If certain books haven't been checked out in 20 years, maybe its best to have an on-line version available and kiosks instead of shelves.

      Although I can see a utility argument I do not agree that a library article that "haven't been checked out in 20 years" should be replaced with only fast-turnover articles, or replaced with a digital version (which, probably, would come up against copyright owner issues, whether that be cost or simple refusal to publish in that form, which is hardly unheard of).

      A collection of rarely read books is in some ways the fundamental purpose of a library.

  3. Isn't this a local decision? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I know it's trendy for half the country to force their views on the other half but this is a local decision. If the local population wants to close the libraries that's their choice since they are the ones paying for them.

    1. Re:Isn't this a local decision? by jittles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know it's trendy for half the country to force their views on the other half but this is a local decision. If the local population wants to close the libraries that's their choice since they are the ones paying for them.

      I agree. And I want my money back from social security. Oh yeah and I don’t have any children in schools so I want that money back. I walk everywhere I go and therefore interstates don’t benefit me directly so I want that money back as well. I have never had to call the police on anyone, so let’s stop paying for that. I’ve never had to deal with the fire department either, let’s defund that. I mean, you’re forcing your views on what a community needs on me and that’s not fair, right?

  4. Re:Yes Starbucks have replaced libraries. by sgt_doom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Starbucks is essentially for consumers who don't read books and have no taste in coffees.

  5. ETHICS! by N_Piper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I will not speak of Amazon's data policies but the ALA to a man, woman, or other will SLAM their fist down upon the drive wipe button if someone comes in thinking their warrant means something. This isn't just a threat, many did as soon as "The Patriot Act" was even being considered.
    http://www.ala.org/aboutala/go...

  6. All the content is NOT available on the Internet by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All the content is available on the Internet,

    What in the hell does this mean? Do you know that libraries contain *books* that anybody can read and check out for free? The only books available on the Internet are a handful of 100+ year old out-of-copyright books.

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  7. yeesh by Harvey+Manfrenjenson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Among the many, many, many problems with this horrible idea, there is the fact that private companies (such as Amazon and Starbucks) are not obliged to uphold the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. (Whenever unpopular speech is suppressed, for example on a platform like Facebook, the pro-suppression argument always leads off with "It's their platform and they have a right to kick you off it if they don't like your speech").

  8. Amazon "could' replace libraries but... by shayd2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My problem with this, with ANY internet service replacing paper books, is 1984

    When a book (or as has happened the Declaration of Independence) is prohibited, it could just disappear. Worse, particular words could be dropped or added (say, the word "Not") seamlessly

    Having real books removed or modified is much harder

  9. Libraries are underrated by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I often have difficulty getting a parking space at our local library - its very popular.

    My experience is that people who have the misguided opinion that libraries are obsolete haven't used them.

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  10. It's not about small government by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they want to pocket the tax money going to the libraries for themselves. They're not small government when it comes to the government contracts going to their business or the subsidies or the free roads or the developed land or anything else the government does that benefits them personally.

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