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Twitter Stock Plunges 21 Percent After Earnings Show Effects of Fake-Account Purge (marketwatch.com)
Twitter shares fell 21% on Friday as the company reported that user growth had turned negative, even as its quarterly results beat Wall Street expectations. The decline was even greater than Facebook's almost 19 percent plunge in shares after the social media giant reported disappointing results. MarketWatch reports: Twitter posted a profit for the third consecutive quarter, with its $134 million in net income equating to 13 cents a share. Adjusted per-share earnings came to 17 cents. The FactSet consensus estimate had been 16 cents. Twitter's revenue climbed 24% to $710.5 million to beat the FactSet consensus estimate by about $2 million. Even as executives talked about Twitter's bright future on the earnings calls, investors appeared to react to Twitter's slowing user growth, as its monthly user count went south, falling by 1 million to 355 million, as compared with the year's first quarter. The decline was expected after recent reports had the company purging about a million fake accounts a day.
Never tweeted a tweet, never really saw the benefit, followed Mark Rusonavitch (sp) for a minute, maybe im just not that exciting...
Anyone remember when I said they were at least 30% bots and when the world finds out the shareholders all take a bath?
Are you saying the media was easy on Trump? You are delusional.
I wonder if the media are ready to call out these folks?;
Obama’s chief economist: Trump’s economic projections are “the most absurd I’ve ever seen” He predicts huge growth rates, of 3 percent a year, without explaining how he’d get there.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/19/17012288/trump-budget-proposal-obama-chief-economist-jason-furman-interview
Obama: Trump lacks ‘magic wand’ to grow economy. “He just says, ‘I’m gonna negotiate a better deal.’ Well how? How exactly are you going to negotiate that?”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-president-obamas-town-hall-in-elkhart-indiana
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay
"The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year."
http://www.aei.org/publication/team-obama-sorry-america-the-new-normal-may-be-here-to-stay/
If Trump thinks he can get more than 3% economic growth, he's dreaming
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-3percent-20170519-story.html
Then there are the nonpolitical observers, such as bond guru Bill Gross, who says: "High rates of growth, and the productivity that drives it, are likely distant memories from a bygone era." And academic economists such as Northwestern's Robert J. Gordon, who states bluntly in his pessimistic book "The Rise and Fall of American Growth" that U.S. GDP's best years are behind it.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-3percent-20170519-story.html
Where do you get your weed man? I need some of that.
Before when few knew what was going on it was a valuable tool. Now, everyone knows the tricks. On to bigger and better ways to influence the election. #MAGA
Hey, FUCK.
I will now vote for Trump, his kids, or whoever they want me to vote for for LIFE.
Fuck you maoist SHIT. Fuck you low life. FUCK YOUR EXISTENCE.
Move to Venezuela you FUCKING PIG if you want that commie shit you fucking loser.
FUCK YOU, Trump FOR LIFE.
GEOTUS, and LORD over everyone, even the seditious, treasonous traitorous motherfuckers like YOU.
I honestly think one of the main reasons Trump won was the media's refusal to call him out on obvious lies and his shady business record. And that refusal was fueled by a desire to see a horse race and to suck up all those ad buys. Trump should never have been a serious candidate. He refused to release his tax returns, has a string of failed businesses and a court case where he admitted under oath his net worth isn't near what he claims and a long history of extra-marital affairs of the sort that don't go down well with the base he was trying to appeal to. That baggage should have wrecked him. But the media continually went easy on him even as they piled on Hillary.
Of course if they'd buried Trump in his own bad press early on folks would have stopped paying attention and the guys bank rolling his campaign would stop; meaning no more free eyeballs and no more free ad money. Trump got something like a billion in free coverage most of it positive. But then again if the media was doing it's job we'd be calling Bernie Mr President.
Okay, just so I'm clear here.
You think the media *wasn't* incessantly harsh on Trump in the run-up to the election.
You think most of the media coverage was positive.
I am at a loss as to how, exactly, the media could have been more harsh...
Using Twitter is like playing Russian Roulette. Every time you tweet, you pull the trigger. Most of the time, nothing happens, but sooner or later you'll get unlucky and the Internet mob will destroy you for what you tweeted (latest case in point: James Gunn).
Maybe, just maybe, people are finally beginning to realize just how toxic Twitter really is. It only took a few thousand ruined lives and careers to get the point across.
What's interesting me about this news, also extended to Facebook, is the interplay between the corporate value that's actually based on network effects versus the delusional stock prices that drive the market cap. To review, the idea of network effects is that more users of the network increase the value of the network, often more than linearly. However, what happens when lots of the users become fake identities that are not actually contributing any real value? The tiny bit of the stock price that is related to actual value (rather than gambling machines battling to the death) is going to have to adjust when the network appears to shrink.
From a fundamental level (as if anyone cared anymore relative to technical speculation), I don't see any value in Twitter from the git go.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
We would rather have lies of large numbers that look good on the surface than evidence of truthful and honest conduct to rehabilitate falsehoods.
Libshits still in denial I see! Delusional post, bro!
Just interesting, half of the accounts were probably made from this. tweetattackspro.com
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Not disagreeing with you at all.
Trump would have won.
People wanted change.
Hillary self-identified as Obama 2.0.
The Democratic party rigged their whole primary process. Bernie was not supposed to be there to dilute the vote.
Clinton had too much baggage and Sanders was too radical to the left.
Trump promised whatever it was that his immediate rally-goers needed to survive.
Back to your point:
Businesses don't care about anything except money.
America is not a Republic or a democracy.
It's a Capitalistic society.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
the more media coverage Hillary or Bernie get the worse they look because they have no charisma; the Democrat Party thought the only reason a nobody like Obama could push Hillary out of the way was because of race, but Hillary was actually inferior to a black man
good try but im high not stupid :)
> Using Twitter is like playing Russian Roulette. Every time you tweet, you pull the trigger.
> case in point: James Gunn
So what you're saying is every time you talk, things like this might spill out of your mouth?:
"I like when little boys touch me in my silly place."
-- James Gunn
"The best thing about being raped is when youâ(TM)re done being raped and itâ(TM)s like 'whew this feels great, not being raped!'"
-- James Gunn
"walked over a table to one of the kid actors on set, looked at the kid, and started masturbating right at him. ... A string of semen shot out of the mini-monkey-wood and splash-landed DIRECTLY ON THE KID.
Screaming and freaking out commenced.
I know it might be sick, but that story makes me extremely happy."
-- James Gunn
"Watching Trapped in the Closet, R Kellyâ(TM)s second best video after the one where he urinates on a child.â
-- James Gunn
If these are the kinds of things you might randomly say, your Russian roulette, please - get help.
and didn't do very much criticism. They reported on his refusal to release his taxes but never once got into _why_ it mattered. I didn't actually know but picked up the corruption angle from the left wing press. I never once saw an interview with the many, many businesses he screwed over and/or never paid. The same goes for the stories about how he would have made more money sticking his daddy's fortune in an index fund than on his failed business ventures. And the affairs. He's got decades of them. Where was the research into that? We didn't find out crap until _after_ the election. He did a cameo in a soft core porn movie for Pete's sake.
Oh, meanwhile Felix Ungur of the Young Turks broke the news of MSNBC burying Bernie Sanders in favor of the corporatists Hilary Clinton and that news barely registered.
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not as much as people think. They want things better for themselves, but they're afraid of real change. That's why pot's still illegal and minimum wage is the lowest it's been since the 50s.
And you're right about us not being a Democracy, we're an oligarchy.
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During the primaries all the left wing msm went easy on him and treated him with kid gloves. The moment he won the primaries the MSM barring Fox news completely flipped the script.
I can't speak about local stations, but CNN, MSNBC and Fox News (apart from Chris Tucker and Sean Hannity) have been absolutely hell bent on painting the most negative picture possible of Trump and his supporters. For two years straight. As have basically every late night comedy/talk show, SNL, and most big online news sites.
Stop smoking crack.
The thought of social media crumbling makes me very happy.
The average person the street is not smart enough to understand that "investors" have not a damn thing to do with real performance. They'll see this and think that somehow twitter is not a profitable or sustaining company, despite the fact that their profits are good.
What we have is irresponsible profit-driven reporters who want short clips rather than explaining what this actually means.
And in the mean time, we have a bunch of idiots who are so absorbed with another idiots that all they want to do is talk politics and trash talk eachother.
This easily could have been titled "Childish investors with no foresight have knee-jerk reaction to something that was already predicted." Or perhaps "Company does the right thing, angers investors."
Stock price no longer has any real tie in with the success or failure of companies. It's just a ticker number that people who participate in real-life gambling pay attention to.
Nitpick, it must be more than linear. But yes, exponential increases are usually considered. To those who wonder why Microsoft is still so valuable, it's network effects. And there, unlike social media, the costs to getting everyone to switch are almost impossible.
I could see some value in Twitter, but I couldn't (and still don't) see a way for them to retain any of that value.
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When I saw the massive $FB drop (which seemed unwarranted, IMO) it was clear a lot of future growth was baked in. Same with twitter. Tesla has their earnings call Wednesday. They're a $50-60 billion dollar company - bigger than Ford, sometimes bigger than GM. I don't know what's been baked in [1], but they look more like a $5 billion dollar company. And act like a $5 million dollar company. Expect them to pop big time.
1. Tesla hypesters insist they're also an energy company. Look at the P/E for Solar City (snicker) or XOM, CVX, etc. Who wants to spend $60,000 for a Tesla with build quality inferior to a $20,000 Kia?
Obama’s chief economist: Trump’s economic projections are “the most absurd I’ve ever seen” He predicts huge growth rates, of 3 percent a year, without explaining how he’d get there.
They were absurd because he was also promising to eliminate the federal debt in 8 years.
Now we know how he wants to get those growth rates, massive borrowing, massive deficits.
Twitter had an exaggerated user base which inflated stock because more users = great company.
Twitter wipes out a significant amount of fake accounts and the stock plummets.
( Company not quite as amazing as they pretended it was )
Pretty sure that's how this is supposed to work ?
During the primaries all the left wing msm went easy on him and treated him with kid gloves. The moment he won the primaries the MSM barring Fox news completely flipped the script.
During the election CNN tripped over themselves to give Trump air time. The one that stands out was when they all, CNN included ignored a Hillary Clinton speech to show an empty podium while they were waiting for Trump. link
Trump was good for ratings. Unfortunately ratings is a shitty way to elect a president.
Most didn't take Trump seriously early on, since they though for sure he would implode at any time, but he never did. Cruz in particular seemed to be positioning himself to take Trump's voters when he did implode, though it was Cruz that actually eventually went on a rant. link While I also loath Cruz, that rant makes some really good points.
I suspect Trump will get a primary challenger if he doesn't get impeached before. I just don't know if the spineless republicans will choose a sane alternative. Trump will certainly seek to destroy all challengers, usually with lies, insults and schoolyard bullying, and of course never forget projection.
Sure current CNN and all the rest is going after Trump now, but then that is simply because he is truly awful in almost every way imaginable and sure when Trump calls CNN fake news and denigrates them, well it might, just might be providing some motivation for those at CNN to work just a bit harder. If world war 3 ever begins, it won't be due to some brilliant generals planning. No it will be because of people like Trump making too many mistakes, pushing bombast and bullshit too far until one mistake too many is made.
Most likely sooner or later we will crash the economy. Think about it. We have basically injected heroin into the bloodstream of America with all the insane tax cuts that are direct borrowing. We did this at a time the American economy was doing well. Then we start fucking up everything with tariffs left and right. Mix in a bit of random destruction of the environment and wrecking of the accomplishments in improving healthcare. Don't forget loss of any norms and decency. Let simmer and see what happens.
I'm guessing we will eventually see a crash, but this time we will be so broke. Furthermore we will have alienated many of our allies.
Will there be any country willing to help America when the crash occurs or will they look on us much like a normal person looks at a drug user thrashing outside in the cold while America squeezes some more drugs into its system? Of course at some point you have to cut the users off. If it starts looking like we can't pay back all our debt, well we will get cut off. The fact that we are led by a person who has welshed on his debt multiple times can't help matters.
So, this news is about fake accounts.
Does that make it "real fake news?"
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
From what I've seen, a lot of the bots were way more valuable than most people on Twitter.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I have a Twitter account where I just post technical info, zero politics. I don't follow political people and even some technical people I follow I have to mute from time to time.
It is possible to run a Twitter account that is pure utility and friendly vibes, where there's really nothing that anyone can gain much traction on.
Mobs on Twitter are inherently a stupid thing anyway. You can just take a break from Twitter and most of the people will be gone, blocking the handful of losers that remain. Then just ignore what they say after that.
Now it is true it is VERY easy to let Twitter work you up to the point where you are not posting thoughtfully. So I agree you should be careful with Twitter, but that doesn't mean everyone should drop it just because it can be bad for you...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Censorship always fails.
Any 3rd world nation can report, ban, block, shadow ban, censor.
Bring back some US free speech and make the internet great again.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Fox and msnbc are not neutral, and cnn is closer to clickbait.
Right-wing people are willing to believe anything because they have been raised to not question scripture, or anything else.
Left-wing people are not willing to believe anything unless they can draw the same conclusion given the same evidence.
Those of us in the center can see each sides bullshit, and the kind of bullshit the right-wing guys put out, nobody with a high school education would believe. Left-wing bullshit is more subtle and tends to be exaggerations to make things a bigger deal than they should be.
That means that right wing fake news is comedy-show fodder, where as left-wing fake news is harder to punch up, because itâ(TM)s already punched up.
CNN bitches about Trump nonstop. Gonto their website, the front page is always devoted to Trump 24/7.
If it is an economic crash that tips us over the edge....the first thing people will ask is where the money went. Where did all the wealth Go? The war will be about getting it back...which of course will lead to an avalanche of reckoning on a global scale.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Iâ(TM)d be surprised if less than 10% of the accounts were fake. I live in Japan, which I *think* has one of the highest percent of users. The people I know who use it donâ(TM)t engage in any kind of social or political debate though. They post and look at pics of food and celebrity bs.
You're counting a lot of chickens before they've hatched.
One data point does not make a trend.
Our president is a marketer, don't ignore that, even if you like what he's selling.
> I honestly think one of the main reasons Trump won was the media's refusal to call him out
As many republicans voted for Trump as they voted for previous republican presidents. Trump won because less democrats turned out than they did for Obama. And can you blame democrats them after what Hillary's followers did to Bernie Sanders?
CNN does pretty much 24/7 coverage about Trump. As far as I can tell (and I'm filing this as opinion, as I have not timed the amount of seconds they actually do other stuff) they don't seem to cover anything else, as far I've seen on TV. Just 24/7 Trump bashing... well, unless there is some news about a fully-semi-auto-assault-revolver, then for 3-4 weeks, it seems to me that they just do the "ERMAGWD, BANZ 4 DA KIDZ!!ONE!1" schtick.
I can't speak about local stations, but CNN, MSNBC and Fox News (apart from Chris Tucker and Sean Hannity) have been absolutely hell bent on painting the most negative picture possible of Trump and his supporters. For two years straight. As have basically every late night comedy/talk show, SNL, and most big online news sites.
You make it sound like that would require anything other than accurate reporting.
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The Dollarnet is run by elite globalists who want to abolish democracy. All they care is their insane plans for their personal glory.
Whoever does not comply with their ideology is "Fake News".
[Picture of a turd]
Fox News: "Now this is an amazing thing people, with its beautiful deep browns and rich filling aroma. And they've done such an amazing job with the lighting. We're witnessing something amazing here."
CNN: "Folks, this is a pile of fecal matter. It looks and smells terrible, and isn't really a great thing."
The Right: "Fake News!! Look at how biased CNN is, typical leftist media lies trying to make it look bad!!"
There's a simple reason mainstream media outside of Fox almost always portrays Trump negatively: Because what he is saying and doing are actually terrible things. It isn't bias to call a turd a turd just because the other side is hell bent on trying to distort reality by insisting it's something wonderful.
The right has an obsessive, pervasive campaign to try to turn outlets that lean a little to the left, and like everyone from time to time make an error, into incessantly lying intentional extreme-left propaganda outlets, and it's working beyond what they could have hoped for. Not only have they hoodwinked the entire right wing, even some left leaning moderates are buying into it. Meanwhile, Fox News is almost as bad as North Korea's state TV with distortion and leader-worship. On a bias scale of 1-10, CNN is a 2, MSNBC a 3, and Fox News a 9.
It isn't bias to call a turd a turd just because the other side is hell bent on trying to distort reality
Yet its not ok to assume someone is a man because he was born with a cock and decided to chop it off.
Broke the internet and all the pushed all the borderline unstable people over the line.
Trump lost the popular vote by far, far more than any previous electoral college winner, and won a whole slew of states by razor thin margins in an amazingly statistically improbable event. Either it was a ton of luck or it was carefully targeted regional vote manipulation by a certain foreign country known to have purchased carefully targeted ads designed to trick voters with lies.
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Or maybe "company pisses off half the country, losing customers and making itself irrelevant, and investors want out now"
Twitter (and Facebook for that matter) have zero comprehension that most of the country is not as politically batshit crazy and off the deep end as most of their censor and ban-happy employees, and they're paying the financial price for that. Even most people who disagree with Trump's policies aren't absolute raving lunatics about it. Also, remember when everybody rioted and protested in the streets, vandalized everything, tried to get people banned from speaking in public, physically assaulted people they disagree with who hadn't even said a damned thing to them, and kept doing it for almost 2 years after Obama was elected twice? Yeah, neither do I. That's what I mean by batshit crazy.
I'm curious though: it was these "childish" investors that made Twitter a big thing in the first place--now that their opinions on the company have changed for good reasons they no longer seem to suit you.
From which I can guess you're either a raving lunatic Hillary supporter, or a millennial with an investment portfolio consisting solely of Google, Facebook, Netflix, Twitter, and Tesla. In either case, you're in for a bad time.
Nope, try again. Obama had massive borrowing and could not get there. He had no magic wand.
If Trump wasn't and endless stream of idiocy, the media would have to come up with their own entertainment. But as it is now a great comedy show can be manufactured just by stringing together clips of Trump's own statements. No other staff needed. Cofefe.
My man, media went hard on Trump and exposed every minute detail of his bullshit.
But the "fake news" campaign and the fact that _Trump voters do not consume the media that went in on Trump_ won him the election.
Fuck you, you faggot traitor INCEL shill white supremacist SJW cock gobbling alt-left fake news Russian Nazi pedophile.
The popular vote doesn't count and the American voters know that.
Q: How many times was a president elected who did not win the popular vote?
A: It has happened five times.
Russia did not throw the vote.
Let's face it, OK?: The 2016 election cycle was totally bizarre in that all three top contenders were toxic.
Had either Bernie or Hillary won, things would still be batshit crazy.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Chris Tucker and Sean Hannity paint the most negative picture possible of Trump and his supporters.
I got banned for calling a guy a faggot after he said his son was boring because he was white. I find what he said much more offensive than what I said but when the moderators are anti-white faggots what should I have expected the outcome to be?
You're free to hire him to run your projects, directing your people.
As for me, I won't be putting someone who constantly talks about the joy of child molestation in charge of *my* people. O care enough about the people in my sphere of influence that I wouldn't subject them to whatever this sicko may do next. You can, though. Do expect to be sued when he continues to be a sick bastard, because you knew about it when you hired him and put him in a position to hurt others.
Nobody has a magic wand you fucking idiot.
I see you covered all your bases. Good job comrade.
Your mom does lololol
Are you confusing your right to think that with the right you have to discriminate based on it? You've got the former, but not the latter. I'm absolutely no friend to SJWs and identity politics, but even if I did assume as you did (I dont, based on established neurological differences), I wouldn't think to dictate my view onto others. I don't think you can discriminate against trans-folks any more than you can against racial minorities. If they 'bother' other people in the bathroom with their presence, well their right to be in there supersedes your discomfort of having them there, just like when we established our discomfort with having black people use our bathrooms couldn't justify a 'coloreds' bathroom.
so youre saying
black male in mens bathroom = good
black male in womens bathroom = bad, unless they "claim" to identify as a woman?
I feel the first is fine, wtf do I care what color someones skin is, I care if they're a piece of shit or not. I however completely disagree with "If they 'bother' other people in the bathroom with their presence, well their right to be in there supersedes your discomfort of having them there"
You claim to be no friend of SJW's, yet you are one.
Oh ho ho how clever you are! So funny!
Er... Just so, and thanks for pointing out my mistake. Would you believe that some of my best friends are real mathematicians.
However, as it applies to the story, the question is how much the stock price should fluctuate in response to shrinkage of the network when fake identities are removed. If the opinion of the correct stock price was based on the imagined value of a network of 100 million identities, and you remove 20 million fake identities, then what is the new imaginary stock price?
My main point should be that market cap has NO relation to real value. What happened to Twitter (and Facebook) does not reflect anything about the real world. No actual wealth has been lost or created just because opinions about stock prices have fluctuated.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Oh you're one of those bathroom morons.
By insisting that people stick to the bathroom of their birth gender, you're insisting this dude use women's bathrooms:
https://www.advocate.com/sites...
Why DO you want burly bearded men in women's bathrooms? Wanna go there yourself or something?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
No im fine with using the bathroom im supposed to use. the one with urinals. and yes im one of those "bathroom" morons. gender is not fucking baskin robins. wtf is wrong with you people. But we already know where you stand, on the left, insulting, instigating, and harassing others.
Yes, the popular vote doesn't count. But any argument based on the popular vote loser being massively popular is absurd.
Cleverness aside, what you fail to understand is this: "Because what he is saying and doing are actually terrible things." (Emphasis added.) *You* think the reality is those are terrible things, and roughly 40% of the rest population does. Another 40% of the population believes those are not at all terrible things, to say the least. There is no consensus on which version of the two realities is "true." The only reason why someone might believe that your estimation is superior to that of the rest is if you have a great track record of correctly predicting the future outcome of the things that were said. Baring that, your guess is no better than anyone else's.
Why do you want the dude in that picture in womens bathrooms?
Either answer the question or you concede that your point is absurd.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Yes spin this to try to make me out to be the weirdo. fuck off with your nonsense. Men are born Men Women are born Women, They should use the appropriate bathroom. you know this you just want to be a pedantic cunt.
Yes spin this to try to make me out to be the weirdo. fuck off with your nonsense
Then tell me why you want that burly bearded dude in the ladies toilets.
It's a simple question.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Why do we have to bring up elizabeth warren at a time like this?
So because YOU don't care about skin color, that can't be used to discriminate, but because YOU personally do care about what's inside someones underwear, that can? Don't forget, black people hadn't done anything wrong to be excluded from the bathroom either, it was their mere presence that *a lot* of white people found unacceptable. So why does what personally bothers you control others, but what bothers someone else is recognized as the bigotry that it is?
Also, answer the other guys question. Transmen are generally indistinguishable from cismen, do you want big burly people with beards in the ladies room? How do you keep out normal men in that situation? Genital inspections at every bathroom door perhaps?
And since I acknowledge biology-based preferences, oppose affirmative action, believe in not judging people by skin color, don't believe in stripping due process from men, and countless other SJW bullshit, I can assure you they find me absolutely intolerable.
So because YOU don't care about skin color, that can't be used to discriminate, but because YOU personally do care about what's inside someones underwear, that can?
I stopped reading there, and dont care to finish. youre just trying to bait some bullshit. I care about what is inside of somebodys head. You know that mushy grey matter. I care that somebody with enough mental issues to mutilate their reproductive organs may be in a bathroom with a kid of opposing gender, imagine what that would do to a child that doesnt understand this shit yet? so now that I think about it, with your negative spin on everything.. now I think they should be required to use their own bathroom. away from NORMAL(yes i said normal) people.
You keep crying bait every time you're backed into a corner and refuse to answer. If you did care about what's in someone's head, there's some neuroscience research on trans people that shows you're wrong. Then you say you care about men in the women's room, fully ignoring the issue of transmen, which makes it easier, not harder, for normal men to be in there. That's not bait, its a fact of the matter, you cant just ignore that case and not sound like a ridiculous bigot.
Then you say you care about men in the women's room, fully ignoring the issue of transmen, which makes it easier, not harder, for normal men to be in there.
I dont understand what you mean there. please elaborate(sorry no college education). as for the "crying bait" I call it how i see it. I said nothing about skin color, or race, you did. I call shit how I see it and it looks like you're trying to race bait. I don't play those bullshit games, where I was raised it wasn't possible to be racist.
It's not "race baiting", it's a direct comparison. Back in the 60s, white people were offended by the mere presence of black people in the bathroom, so they were banned. Fast forward to today, you're saying the because the mere presence of transwomen in the ladies room offends you, it's ok to ban them. Your only criteria for this seems to be that you don't mind people with different skin color in there, but you are bothered by people whose genitals might not match their appearance. We decided that white people's right to not be bothered was superseded by black peoples basic civil rights. Why is anti-trans peoples discomfort any different?
That is a legitimate, serious question, for which you have zero answers that aren't overt bigotry, so you cry bait.
The second part, serviscope linked you to a picture of a transman (a biological women who has transitioned to a man). Were you thinking trans people consisted only of men becoming women? It's almost just as common for women to become men.
Now unlike transwomen, transmen are typically fully passable-- they look like any other man. You couldn't tell unless you examined their genitals. If you force these people to use the ladies room because they have a vagina, how could you possibly keep out the normal men from whom they cannot be distinguished? IDs can be changed; but even if they couldn't, you think they should be harassed for their ID every time they use the bathroom? Any normal man could just say he's trans. That's even easier than the ridiculous notion that men will crossdress just to act like perverts. So what's your solution? Take your bigotry even further, and force transmen (again, biological females with vaginas (if preop)) into the mens room? That's even clearer sex discrimination.
That's another entirely legitimate, serious issue for which you have no logical response, so you cried bait at serviscope, and are now pretending you don't know what I'm talking about. Too bad they didn't teach you to just not be a bigot instead of just don't be bigoted against a person for their race.
lol you people are fucked in the head. im over it. call em whatever you will. i said what i said and your "but hir" wont change my mind.
I keep coming back with hope that Twitter has cleaned up its stinking cesspool of Internet misery. And I keep deleting my account when I see that it's as bad as ever.
Honestly, purging a ton of fake accounts is the only good thing Twitter's done in forever..