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Massachusetts Proposes Public Shaming of Net Neutrality Violators (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes CNET: Massachusetts plans to protect net neutrality by naming and shaming internet service providers that don't adhere to open internet principles. Lawmakers in the state Senate have proposed a bill (S2160) that would create an "internet service provider registry" to track whether broadband and wireless providers adhere to policies that keep the internet open and neutral.
Motherboard reports: In the wake of the FCC's repeal of net neutrality, more than half the states in the union are considering their own, state-level net neutrality rules. Some states are tackling the problem with legislation (California, Oregon, Washington), while others (like Montana) are signing executive orders banning state agencies from doing business with ISPs that behave anti-competitively... when the FCC repealed net neutrality, it included a provision attempting to "pre-empt" (read: ban) states from protecting consumers. As a result, large ISPs have threatened to sue any states that stand up for consumer welfare, and at least one ISP (Charter Spectrum) has tried to use the repeal to wiggle out of state lawsuits for terrible broadband. Charter's efforts on that front have failed, and the the FCC's authority to tell states what to do has been highly contested.

Still, Massachusetts thought it might be a better idea to try and publicly shame ISPs into behaving.

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  1. Thank you by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Assuming isps are capable of shame. That's the best joke I've heard all week.

    1. Re:Thank you by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can "name and shame" all you want. So what? In most parts of the U.S. you have only one choice for an Internet Service Provider.

      Even if you're lucky have have two choices, they are both run by corrupt assholes who couldn't care less what you think of them.

    2. Re:Thank you by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In the few places with competition, it would certainly help.

      However, a better solution is to create fines which make it unprofitable, and spend those fines providing municipal internet service, starting with the places without competition.

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    3. Re:Thank you by Alypius · · Score: 1

      "My ISP sucks and is run by idiots? Why, thank you Big Brother! I would never have realized this without your benevolent watchful eye!"

    4. Re:Thank you by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      Not to mention your typical Mega-ISP has an army of lawyers standing by to deal with anyone who dares say anything negative about their Company. :|

    5. Re:Thank you by pots · · Score: 1

      Sometimes naming and shaming can work in the short term, even in a monopoly situation. They'll do something bad, there will be an outcry, politicians will publicly threaten the company to show that they're defending the people, and the company will partially roll back what it did in order to demonstrate their contrition. Wait a few years for everyone to get used to the new normal, and repeat.

      Naming and shaming is totally ineffective in the long run, but it can slow down the deterioration a bit.

    6. Re:Thank you by bigtiny · · Score: 1

      Exactly. In my town (Cambridge, MA) you have two choices: Comcast or Verizon. Other comments about the (in)ability to shame these companies notwithstanding, the only control available in a monopoly is Gov't regulation. Congress should make Net Neutrality law of the land.

    7. Re: Thank you by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Mozilla reports that google is already throttling Firefox when FF. needs some google service. So much for fairness.

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  2. How about something with teeth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This seems kinda useless. So, the -only- provider in an area is SHAMED but still has all the customers. Great. Can't wait to see how MA proposes curing cancer. "We will SHAME the cells!"

    1. Re:How about something with teeth? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      This seems kinda useless. So, the -only- provider in an area is SHAMED but still has all the customers. Great. Can't wait to see how MA proposes curing cancer. "We will SHAME the cells!"

      It is useless for many more reasons. For one, even bad publicity is good publicity. What you want is to recommend the ISPs that are NOT bad, not name the ones that are.

      For another, no matter what, shaming won't help, because we've already done that. Everyone already pretty much knows which ISPs violate net neutrality, and it hasn't helped stopped the violations so far. Besides, if you want a list, it's pretty easy to generate: get a complete list of all the ISPs out there and remove any ISP with fewer than a thousand customers, and you're done, plus or minus some small epsilon.

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  3. I'll pick the one not named and shamed. ...Wait by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Lawmakers in the state Senate have proposed a bill (S2160) that would create an "internet service provider registry" to track whether broadband and wireless providers adhere to policies that keep the internet open and neutral.

    Why do they need a registry for a list you can count on one hand?

  4. The Scarlet Modem? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    Require them to provide scarlet modems with the letter N painted on them. That would be very old-school Massachusetts.

  5. What do you mean by "Internet"? by johnnys · · Score: 1

    The design of the Internet is such that if you simply deliver the "Internet" to an endpoint, the traffic is in accordance with the principles of Net Neutrality. So if an ISP comes along and delivers a filtered, manipulated and piecemeal subset of the Internet, then are they really delivering THE Internet?

    Why not demand "truth in advertising"? If an ISP wants to abuse net neutrality, then they can't claim they are delivering the Internet: At best they can claim to be delivering "Part, but not all of the Internet, manipulated, blocked, and changed for our profit and your annoyance". Then consumers can decide what they really want to pay for.

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    1. Re:What do you mean by "Internet"? by dog77 · · Score: 1
      The FCC head (I won't say his name for fear of stirring up anger), has stated that the FCC will go after companies that are not transparent with their networking practices. From their own document https://www.fcc.gov/restoring-...

      A critical part of Internet openness involves Internet service providers being transparent about their business practices. That's why the FCC has imposed enhanced transparency requirements. Internet service providers must publicly disclose information regarding their network management practices, performance, and commercial terms of service. These disclosures must be made via a publicly available, easily accessible company website or through the FCC's website. This will discourage harmful practices and help regulators target any problematic conduct.

      I can go to the most hated company in the United State and see what ports they are blocking traffic on: https://www.xfinity.com/suppor...

      I expect to get modded down for making the son of Satan look any better than he is portrayed, but I think it is better to have a discussion around facts than generalizations and political hype. Also I am just joking about the son of Satan and I am amazed at the hate directed at him. I wish someone would just explain with facts as why he is so wrong and misguided and then maybe I would understand, but mostly I just see a lot of hate without substance behind it (sometimes modded up to 5, can we stop doing that please!). I liked to read the slashdot comments to learn something new or insightful and not someone's political rant. I think there was a time when any rant got modded down, but maybe I am remembering wrong.

  6. Shaming in what way? by bobstreo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you have public notifications, don't bother.

    Now, if you have a traveling roadshow with board members and large stockholders in Pillories in public places, that's an idea I can get behind.

  7. No. by kenh · · Score: 1

    What? The state wants to define what ISPs should do, but rather than actually pass legislation to enforce their requirements they want to make a "rainman" list of companies that violate their legislated 'suggestions'?

    They are acting like a bunch of powerless children - step up, pass a law and enforce it.

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  8. And to access this registry... by flacco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...simply send a stamped self-addressed envelope to:

    Internet Bad Guys
    PO Box 14153
    Boston, MA

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  9. This should be amusing by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I look forward to seeing what governments thing "Net Neutrality" is vs what the supporters thought it was.

    Will be great to see actual codified definitions.

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  10. They're corporations by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    so long as the money's good they have no shame. Grow a pair and enforce Net Neutrality. This is an obvious attempt by a bunch of bought off politicians to avoid the repercussions of their policy decisions. If we had a functioning media & press they'd be called out on it. But the mega corps bought that too...

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  11. Re:Shame? Really? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree. Trump is not the cause, he is a symptom.

    He's like a big orange brain tumor that metastasized from rectal cancer.

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  12. I am the opposite of partisan by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I am one of the few people here that actually advocates for REAL network neutrality. I am one of the few people not on a "side" other than the side of reason and fairness... I also appear to be one of the few people on the side of sanity.

    I would LOVE to see a real Network Neutrality law. But I am also smart enough to realize politicians are not smart enough to produce something so simple and direct without goobering it up or using it to provide benefit to political allies at the expense of a truly open internet... until I see evidence of a real network neutrality law the free market (and the 1st amendment) has done more to provide us with an open internet than any regulation ever has.

    Your problem is that anything that doesn't look like what you believe is labeled "partisan" automatically, like cave-men shrieking away from eclipses or anything else out of the ordinary.

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  13. Yea because shaming works so well by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

    on Politicians, Lawyers, and Bankers...

  14. Shaming a monopoly means jack shit by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Let's be honest here. How many people would willingly stay with Comcast if they had any (and I mean any, IP over carrier pigeon if necessary) choice? You can name and shame them as you want, as long as they have the monopoly you have no choice anyway.

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    1. Re:Shaming a monopoly means jack shit by Alypius · · Score: 1

      I would. Comcast has been very good to us since 2009. There were a couple of hiccups, but they bent over backwards to fix it.

  15. FCC Logic by Sydin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The FCC doesn't have the authority to enforce net neutrality, so we will repeal our rules. Also the FCC DOES have the authority to interfere with states rights and preempt them from enforcing net neutrality on their own."

    What a fucking joke. Pai is the transparent corporate stooge we all thought Wheeler would be.

    1. Re:FCC Logic by kenh · · Score: 1

      You (oddly) left out the part where Ajit Pai said the FTC, not the FCC, was the appropriate body to enforce Net Neutrality regulations.

      Funny how critics of the FCC always fail to include that point.

      From Ajit Pai's statement:

      Moreover, we empower the Federal Trade Commission to ensure that consumers and competition are protected. Two years ago, the Title II Order stripped the FTC of its jurisdiction over broadband providers. But today, we are putting our nation’s premier consumer protection cop back on the beat. The FTC will once again have the authority to take action against Internet service providers that engage in anticompetitive, unfair, or deceptive acts. As FTC Chairman Maureen Ohlhausen recently said, “The FTC’s ability to protect consumers and promote competition in the broadband industry isn’t something new and far-fetched. We have a long-established role in preserving the values that consumers care about online.” Or as President Obama’s first FTC Chairman put it just yesterday, “the plan to restore FTC jurisdiction is good for consumers. . . . [T]he sky isn’t falling. Consumers will remain protected, and the [I]nternet will continue to thrive.”

      Source

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  16. Waste of time by JoePete · · Score: 1

    As a Massachusetts resident I can assure you of three things: 1) There may be four people in the state who actually understand what Net Neutrality is 2) None of them are members of our legislature 3) We have far more problems - not the least of which is physical traffic in the state nevermind Internet - that our lawmakers should focus on. The Republican-Democrat animosity in this country is so bad that even in a rampantly Democrat state, we get ourselves distracted by what is happening in Washington.

    1. Re:Waste of time by Alypius · · Score: 1

      "If it bleeds, it leads" is the media's motto and few things bleed more than the Two Minutes Hate over the latest POTUS tweet.

  17. Re:Two sets of rules by Alypius · · Score: 1

    I'm so old, I remember when "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" was a bumper sticker. Then Obama got elected and they mysteriously went away.

  18. Re:Comcast is compared to the Nazis by Alypius · · Score: 1

    It's worse than that. It's gotten to the point where if someone gets called a nazi, it's because they've irritated some Red Guard who thinks they must be Silenced, and therefore probably has something interesting to listen to. It doesn't mean they're a nazi.

  19. Re:Two sets of rules by dryeo · · Score: 1

    You don't remember 9/11 and how suddenly dissent meant that you were against the glorious USA and how we had to support the government no matter what?
    Or perhaps the shit that was laid on anyone who dissented with the wonderful Ronny, such as mentioning the dealings with Iran or the government dealing illegal drugs.
    It may have been after Nixon that dissent was really turned into a negative thing. Those awful dissenters brought down a President and even worse, were partially responsible for losing Vietnam. The government got very good at heading off dissent before it could formulate too much.
    If I was older, I'd probably bring up the red hunts of the '50's or the 10's when simply handing out flyers disapproving of the draft was enough to get you thrown in prison with the agreement of the Supreme Court. You know, giving out flyers was like yelling fire in a theatre.
    Going even further back, there was the way dissenters were treated in the early 1860's and even further back, how anyone dissenting with the revolution was treated.

    I'll also note that all the dissent about Obama becomes cheering when the other team does similar stuff. I don't see the Tea party bitching about the current Trillion dollar deficit now.

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  20. Re:Two sets of rules by fafalone · · Score: 1

    The right has an awfully selective memory of what liberals were saying during the Obama years. First few years of his presidency, in direct contradiction of campaign promises, not only did he not end federal raids of state-legal medical marijuana operations, under him the DOJ conducted even more of them than under Bush. Liberals were *furious* about this betrayal, and heaped on the criticism. There was plenty of liberal criticism of his drone strike programs. His failure to close Guantanamo. His failures to end Iraq/Afghanistan in a timely manner. We definitely weren't happy with him when he took the awful domestic warrantless surveillance programs of the Bush era and expanded them, even before Snowden blew the lid off, which resulted in even more liberal criticism of him and his natsec policies. He was notorious for cracking down on whistleblowers, and liberals were none too happy about it, nor about him targeting reporters phones and e-mails to go about his crackdown. The list goes on.

    This ridiculous claim people on the right are making that liberals never criticised Obama's problems, much less told others it was racist and anti-American to criticize (except where complaints were legitimately based on race, which happened quite often) is yet another intellectually dishonest propaganda campaign from the right designed to delegitimize all the praise and fondness for those days he now receives, a direct response to how awful things are under Trump, in addition to delegitimizing complaints about Trump, by falsely painting a picture of hypocrisy.
    When you have to engage in this kind of dishonesty to defend your position (or worse, you've bought into the campaign and actually thought it was honest), maybe reconsider if your position is the right place to be.

  21. Re:Shame? Really? by fafalone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who the hell modded this insightful? I'm against their thought policing but to think those two issues are even remotely related shows a profound misunderstanding of what net neutrality is and why it should be enforced. You're talking about website TOS versus near-monopoly wireline service to access websites. Conflating these is moronic.

  22. Re:Companies get free pass in the US? by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    And if you have a business, the Govt REQUIRES you to use the net to pay your monthly/quarterly taxes...yes, you HAVE to "visit us on the web". It's a utility now. If Uncle Sam won't take my money by check, or at my local Bank, only by web, it's friggin utility.

  23. Invest in a US state by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Run the risk of getting a good brands telco reputation caught up in the US party politics of "open internet principles"?
    The more a state attempts to regulate and demand an ISP, telco has to do "open internet principles" the more such a state stands out from the rest of the USA.
    Lawyers and experts needed to understand what complex compliance for political "open internet principles" is in that state.
    To ensure full compliance in that state for their unique legal view of what "open internet principles" is in any year.

    Say invested in that state with a new network.

    Would "open internet principles" allow a limited for profit network to be created? Over a wealthy part of a city, gated communities?
    Good parts of a state that could pay back such an investment in a fast new network?

    Would state party politics demand that all the state then get the same new network for "free"?
    Poor communities will never be able to pay back the use of a new network.
    Would "open internet principles" demand a telco build new network in areas of a state that would never make a profit and require constant payments to keep working?
    A telco would be forced in a state under ""open internet principles"" to build a network and support a new network that would never make a profit?
    So everyone in that state got their full equal share of free telco "open internet principles"?

    Who is going to pay for an "open internet principles" design?
    The customers in more wealthy areas and who pay for plans? So consumer can then get "free" "open internet principles" in poor parts of the state?
    To do that would need massive new state gov support payments to ensure the telco can make a profit and support all the poor people getting free telco networks.
    A new "open internet principles" tax to do a state wide network? Internet to nowhere.

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  24. Shame isn't important. Profit is important by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    If this happens the violators will publicly moan and wail about their hardware or software and say they working on it but the internetworking tubes are complicated and infrastructure hasn't been updated because of repressive Obama policies. Of course they'll secretly explain to big mutual fund investors that they're now able to charge customers a premium for what they used to provide as a matter of course. Joe Plumber pays extra to get decent pornhub video speed and advertisers and content providers pay extra to get their competitor's packets moved to the back of the bus. That's what America wanted, what they voted for and what they got. See? The system works.

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  25. The Left is FOR / The Right is AGAINST by corezz · · Score: 1

    Although its night a black/white thing, i notice that all those on the Left are for Net Neutrality and the vast majority of those on the Right are against it. And the worst part is when i read comments from those on the Right i get a sense they are mostly against it because those on the Left are for it. And the remaining others are against it because some leader in their group (ie, talk show host, or someone in power) told them to be against it. smh

  26. Re:Shame? Really? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

    Remain calm, snowflake. The WAAAAmbulance is on it's way.

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  27. Re:Shame? Really? by fafalone · · Score: 1

    And another false equivalency, two actually, thanks. First, users upvoting and downvoting content is an entirely different issue than the host hiding or removing content based on viewpoint. Second, suggesting that inaccurate posts should not be upmodded is not the same as saying they should be downmodded. The comment was fine at 0; -1 should be reserved for spam and trolls.
    You tried to come up with a way to insult me for pointing out your stupid comment, then fell flat on your face again with an even more ridiculously false comparison.