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GE Engineer With Ties To China Accused of Stealing Power Plant Technology (thestreet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TheStreet: General Electric stock was little changed on Friday, August 3, as a GE engineer with ties to China who has been accused of stealing proprietary power-turbine technology has been released on bond. Xiaoqing Zheng, 56, has been in custody since Wednesday when the FBI raided his home in Niskayuna, New York, near Albany. A federal judge on Thursday set a $100,000 bond; Zheng offered his family's home as collateral and was released on Friday. He was ordered to wear an electronic monitoring device and limit his travel, according to multiple media reports.

Zheng, who is a U.S. citizen, was hired by GE in 2008 to work as a principal engineer for the company's power division, according to an affidavit by an FBI agent filed in federal court in Albany. Zheng is "suspected of taking/stealing, on multiple occasions via sophisticated means, data files from GE's laboratories that contain GE's trade secret information involving turbine technology," the FBI said in its affidavit. He also took "elaborate means" to conceal the removal of GE data files.
"The primary focus of this affidavit is Zheng's action in 2018 in which he encrypted GE data files containing trade secret information, and thereafter sent the trade secret information from his GE work computer to Zheng's personal e-mail address hidden in the binary code of a digital photograph via a process known as steganography," the FBI said. "Additionally, the secondary focus of this affidavit is Zheng's actions in 2014 in which he downloaded more than 19,000 files from GE's computer network onto an external storage device, believed by GE investigators to have been a personal thumb drive."

Zheng's attorney disputed the allegations, saying Zheng "transmitted information on his own patents to himself and to no one else."

136 comments

  1. trump will roast him! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    trump will roast him!

    1. Re: trump will roast him! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      General Electric meet Corporal Punishment.

    2. Re:trump will roast him! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing the guy is Chinese and not Russian or Trump wouldn't ever mention him. Kind of like he does with Putin.

    3. Re: trump will roast him! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, working for the Chinese instead of Russia. Oceania has always been at peace with Eurasia and war with Eastasia.

  2. Espionage by haunebu · · Score: 2

    China is waging an all out war on the West, stealing every bit of IP it possibly can, while militarizing the South China Sea as part of its "One belt, one road" initiative, along with its 2025 and 2050 roadmap. It's about time America started recognizing that and responded appropriately.

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    1. Re:Espionage by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 0

      China is waging an all out war on the West, stealing every bit of IP it possibly can, while militarizing the South China Sea as part of its "One belt, one road" initiative, along with its 2025 and 2050 roadmap. It's about time America started recognizing that and responded appropriately.

      No, its Russia. Let's not take our eye off the ball. Russia is the enemy! Why do you think the news talks about Russia so much more than China? Get with the program.

    2. Re:Espionage by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And its not industrial espionage we should worry about, its Russians posting stuff on Facebook.

    3. Re:Espionage by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      We can have more then one enemy. Heck we can have Russia and China as an Enemy while Russia and China are enemies with each other.

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    4. Re:Espionage by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why do you think the news talks about Russia so much more than China?

      It's likely because we have a president who may have gotten help getting elected from Russia. Also the active an ongoing interference in elections around the world (including our own upcoming ones) tends to get them mentioned. Oh yeah and then there is the whole Russia poisoning people abroad.

      But don't worry, the same president also kowtows to all dictator nations.

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    5. Re:Espionage by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      It's likely because we have a president who may have gotten help getting elected from Russia.

      Got elected 'from' Russia? Better tell CNN about that.

    6. Re: Espionage by saloomy · · Score: 1

      So if a company is in the business of building IP, and it sees the risks of having that IP stolen to China for lower cost competition, should the company be afforded the right to discriminate against Chinese?

    7. Re:Espionage by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      We can have more then one enemy. Heck we can have Russia and China as an Enemy while Russia and China are enemies with each other.

      We did. Russia and China almost went to war over a border conflict in 1969.

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    8. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both Russia and China are doing both of those.

      And many more are doing many other things. Remember the goths and the fall of Rome.

    9. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get with the program and listen to Trump. EU is the biggest enemy. Those others are minor players.

    10. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While his post could use a couple of commas, you could use some basic reading skills

    11. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Period.

    12. Re:Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Russia is marching back towards becoming an authoritarian 3rd world country with a large and aging nuclear weapon arsenal. Stalin would be so proud his legacy still exists in mother Russia. And their nuclear arsenal doesn't really count for much since using it would guarantee their total destruction. Russia is an economic pigmy on the international scene. The state of California has a larger GDP than Russia. And as often as their state sponsored hacking collectives get caught out you would think they would know by now someone is watching everything they do. In a full on cyber war the key is to not divulge your true capabilities until absolutely necessary. Exposing a few hacks now in then just provides cover.

      Fun Fact: Back in the 80's a Russian tried to steal hardened PLC technology from a company in California. The CIA found out and substituted the real PLC technology with PLC technology they had modified. The Russian was then allowed to steal the technology and get it to Russia. 4 months later the Russians had installed the PLC's on one of their Siberian Oil pipeline control stations. The PLC technology worked exceedingly well for a couple of weeks until their pipeline and control center was destroyed in a spectacular explosion that could be seen from space.

    13. Re: Espionage by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      hmmm. And Comrade, you are based where?

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    14. Re: Espionage by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I think that not hiring China or Russian born is not discrimination, but who knows.
      The real problem is that we used to use FBI to vet ppl in secured positions. Now, we use private companies that do not give a hoot about America, only greed. We need to go back to FBI so as to limit the corruption.

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    15. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A person of any race can be convinced to sell out their own company or country for a payday. Just ask Hillary.

      Discrimination against people based on their genealogy is not helpful. Instead, know your employees. If they are to be given access to secrets, make sure they are trustworthy.

    16. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy is a us citizen. So hmmm discrimination will have to be sub rosa

    17. Re:Espionage by gtall · · Score: 1

      Ya, the U.S. will....run U.S. Navy ships right through China's claimed sea lanes...oh, the U.S. already does that. Well, the U.S. can invade central Asia...oh, the U.S. already did that but seems a bit bogged down in Afghanistan...should've taken a left at Albuquerque...hell, Bugs Bunny could have told them that.

      I know, the U.S will form Alliances to box in China...oh, Trump has peed on S. Korea and Japan and Australia. At least the U.S. has NATO...oops, Trump is peeing on NATO as well. Hmmm....the U.S. can keep China out of Africa...err...maybe that shithole countries comment went a bit too far. I know, the U.S. can keep China out of S. America...errr...no, Trump peed on them as well and now they are welcoming the chance to pee back. Brazil exports soy beans...who knew?

      Yes, but damnit, Mexico and Canada will henceforth be off-limits to China....damnation, Trump peed on them as well and now they are peeing back.

      I guess peeing in all the world's corners to show U.S. dominance isn't working so well for Trump.

    18. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But American agencies are the worlds best at it.

    19. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Common sense says you should discriminate against everyone. I'm not Chinese but if they pay me enough, I can pretend.

    20. Re:Espionage by zlives · · Score: 1

      clearly you fail to see that in his self centered world, all is well and truly sane.

    21. Re:Espionage by sphealey · · Score: 1

      China took the lead in power plant technology about 10 years ago, following Jack Welch's obsessive dismantling of General Electric's heavy industrial engineering and manufacturing arm + Westinghouse's 30 years of incompetent management. Germany had some firms that were still competing but as of this year they are going down the Welch path, leaving only China and to a lesser extent Japan in the arena.

      So I'm not really sure what this guy was supposedly stealing - if anything he should have been going in the other direction.

    22. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US is a far greater problem than either Russia or China at present.

    23. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siemens, Voith and MHI are still well ahead of GE and anything from China.

    24. Re:Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute. Look at what it says..."ties to China." What does that mean? Does he have a parent who lives in China? Is that mainland China or Taiwan? Or is that the government of China? What specifically about the government?

      Typical click bait that it seems Slashdoter's love because it allows them to spew their own foregone conclusions or viewpoint.

    25. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just stop hiring these filthy fucking foreigners. Let them make their own shitty countries better. Especially the chinks and indochimps. You can't trust a chink at all, and indochimp are smelly street shitters. Fuck off, we're full.

    26. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia and China collaborate heavily together. They've been trying to create an Asian trade bloc to cut out the west for years now. China is currently footing the bill for a natural gas pipeline that links China's infrastructure to the Russian oil fields. Also funding new rail lines that go from Russia straight to the DPRK. China and Russia's dependence on Western trade is not lost on them and they're trying to correct it. US government actually knows about this, that's why the TPP was invented. It was supposed to lock China out of SE Asia and secure cheap labor for the west. Now China is expanding into south Asia full force and they've already won in Africa. You need communists if you want to truly understand capitalism and it doesn't look like the Chinese are going to stop winning anytime soon.

    27. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if a company is in the business of building IP, and it sees the risks of having that IP stolen to China for lower cost competition, should the company be afforded the right to discriminate against Chinese?

      You're kidding right? This kind of discrimination happens all the time.

      The only reason that they will hire a Chinese person is if there is absolutely no choice at all. If they don't hire that person, the project doesn't get done and the company loses out on millions.

      Nobody hires a Chinese because they think he's a unstanding person and deserves a chance, and that in the long run will be a net benefit to the company.

      That's why you'll see the Chinese only at engineering, medicine or fields there is a serious shortage of talent.

    28. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America is the real enemy with all their fake news global wars for profit and lying trolls like you.

    29. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FBI limit corruption, that may just about be the funniest you ever said.

      And of course discriminating against China and Russia is discrimination. How thick can you be?

    30. Re: Espionage by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      he was born and raised in CHina. He has dual citizenship, but does not tell businesses here that he has Chinese citizenship.

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    31. Re:Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did Russia actually affect the outcome of the election? You make a statement, now back it up.

      And no, talking to Russians doesn't count, especially when the collusion narrative was made up by a false dossier of a CIA agent and a Democratic research firm while the opposing candidate was also talking to Russians.

      Your comment is partisan bullshit.

    32. Re:Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You inadvertently hit the nail on the head there.

      There is a hell of a difference between industrial espionage and military espionage.

      What Russia is doing now is a propaganda war with the intent of destabilizing the country and turn the population against itself.
      That kind of operations have been common in times of war, but technology have change a bit so instead of releasing flyers you spam twitbook.
      What China is doing is doing is spying to give their industries access to research so that they don't have to do it themselves.

      The damage caused by Russia is loss of freedom.
      The damage caused by China is that US companies will be a bit less competitive down the line.

      If we don't solve Russia now then China doesn't matter.

    33. Re:Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got elected 'from' Russia? Better tell CNN about that.

      Why? It's not news.
      It was already reported on by everyone except FOX during the election campaign.
      There is no need to report on it again.

    34. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US is a far greater problem than either Russia or China at present.

      Sure, but the way to solve the US is to get rid of Trump and make sure that people like Bolton never gets close to a political position.
      To accomplish that you have to shut down Russia.

    35. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is he a US citizen or not?

      Should be straightforward to tell.

    36. Re:Espionage by vakuona · · Score: 1

      Russia can be resolved by educating people better. And not by one side of the political spectrum trying to delegitimise the result of a democratic election by continuously bringing up Russian propaganda on Facebook.

      With China, they are now big enough that even they can't believe they can continue to get away with straight up stealing technology from other countries and shutting off their market using tariffs and non-tariff barriers while continuing to receive favourable access to other countries markets. Add to it they now act more and more like a bully - targeting Republican districts with retaliatory tariffs is way more electoral manipulation that Russia sponsoring Facebook posts.

    37. Re: Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US was a threat to peace and free trade under Bush and Obama as well. Trump may have made things worse, but the problem is more systemic.

    38. Re:Espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be illegal in America to hire anyone from China or has Chinese descent. Indians too as far as I'm concerned. The level of spying and corporate espionage is too great to ignore. I don't give a shit if it's bigoted or racist. This is about national security and keeping China engaging in copy-catting the US and other countries. They are nothing more than copy-cat nation. They have nearly zero innovation and their national directives are to steal US IP. Enough.

  3. That's odd... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    We keep being told that GE is a has-been company that no longer has interesting tech to offer the world. Why would Chinese intelligence be so interested in such a corpse?

    1. Re:That's odd... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

      We keep being told that GE is a has-been company that no longer has interesting tech to offer the world.

      By who, retard? I have yet to read or hear an authoritative source of information make such a dubious claim.

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    2. Re:That's odd... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      GE has been greatly downsizing. However it is still a big company. GE is rather famous for killing its units that are not as profitable as others. Lately they have been going full force. That said their power generation investment is still on the GE Safe list. It seems that GE is still interesting in proving General Electric Services.

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    3. Re:That's odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      i work for GE power in the UK and basically our engineering teams (those that survived the cull) are only babying our existing products, bug fixes etc. No new features or products.
      GE is a badly managed mess, it's no wonder it finally caught up with them

    4. Re:That's odd... by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Apparently you don't watch commercials... GE is the place for smart people to work, at least for that girl and her turbine inspection robots.

    5. Re: That's odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's cute that you think any substantive GE engineering occurs in the UK.

    6. Re: That's odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's cute that you think any substantive GE engineering occurs anywhere.

    7. Re: That's odd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GE bought Alstom's power division a while back. Alstom had quite a bit of interesting technology.

  4. They probably stole it from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They probably stole it from Alstom first

  5. Dear Americans, you do not believe that spying is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may think that a specific spy is "baaaad" and another spy is "brave and loves his homeland". But spying in general is what you do a hell of a lot more than others. I don't see any reason for any outrage by Americans.

  6. His own patents? by michael_cain · · Score: 5, Informative

    Zheng's attorney disputed the allegations, saying Zheng "transmitted information on his own patents to himself and to no one else."

    My experience with giant corporations is that I sign away the rights to the things I invent for them as a condition of employment. "My" patents are at home, with documentation that they were all done on my own time, using my own equipment. And even that may be subject to litigation if the patents fall into the same type of things that I develop at work.

    1. Re:His own patents? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Zheng's attorney disputed the allegations, saying Zheng "transmitted information on his own patents to himself and to no one else." My experience with giant corporations is that I sign away the rights to the things I invent for them as a condition of employment. "My" patents are at home, with documentation that they were all done on my own time, using my own equipment. And even that may be subject to litigation if the patents fall into the same type of things that I develop at work.

      That's been my experience as well. There are also rules about handling proprietary information in general.

    2. Re:His own patents? by Great_Geek · · Score: 1

      Actually, all patents are owned by the inventors - there is no way for the company to own it. You are thinking about the assignment or licensing that is completely locked in. I own several dozen patents that are assigned/licensed to the companies that I worked for.

    3. Re:His own patents? by KJ+Hrim · · Score: 1

      Agreed... All you get is the "moment of fame" with your name listed as inventor..(or co-inventor) . I think my file at work said I received $1 for assigning the work to the company's IP bucket. (too many lawyers with too little to do). I've been careful to not mix "work for hire" on systems that contain my original ideas. (In this article) The thing that will need to be explained is how steganography got mixed into the data stream. (sorry, but that doesn't happen by accident.). DLP is some cool technology and it's here to stay. It's unfortunate that the technology is necessary, but it is getting easier to drop an appliance onto a span port and inspect everything (until the appliance learns what normal looks like). -- now if it would only help cool the planet

    4. Re:His own patents? by Junta · · Score: 1

      Well, practically speaking the assignee for all intents and purposes 'owns' the patent.

      You can point to the authorship, but you can't really do anything with the patent. Hence again, downloading a bunch of stuff to help you implement 'your' patent elsewhere doesn't work if the patent has been assigned to your then-current employer.

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    5. Re:His own patents? by michael_cain · · Score: 1

      Oh, absolutely. The terms of employment required me to agree in advance that I would assign the rights to any patents to the company in exchange for a "consideration". Amusingly, one of the giant corps gave every inventor a plaque when the patent application was submitted. Along with the patent title, inventor's name, and the date, there was a dollar bill mounted on the plaque -- a dollar being the smallest consideration that was legally binding under the case law in that state.

    6. Re:His own patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but you can't really do anything with the patent" -- if he really was transmitting the info only to himself, what he was "doing" might have been just keeping the details around so he could look at them later. I just recently looked at some work I did 25 years ago at a university and thought, what a pity I didn't copy the source code. I wish I had copied it. I would never have "done anything" with it, but I would certainly have enjoyed looking through it again.

    7. Re:His own patents? by hey! · · Score: 2

      Even more to the point, the whole nature of patents is that they are revealed to the public. You can't say, "You can't use this mechanism I have a legal monopoly on, but I won't tell you what it is." If anyone want information on how some patented invention works, all they have to do is look it up at the patent office.

      So clearly the lawyer is speaking loosely here about some kind of trade secrets that might involve patented inventions in some way. You might make the business decision to keep some part of an invention a trade secret rather than putting it in the patent because you don't want to reveal it. It might make sense to do this if you are concerned about Chinese companies operating in China. China's IP laws are like its pollution laws; if you go by what is on the books they look pretty robust, but enforcement is spotty, especially where China has national goals that'd be furthered by turning a blind eye.

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  7. Not his patents if he's working for GE by Kevoco · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only information he is entitled to relating to his patents are the patents themselves, as published.
    https://patents.justia.com/search?q=Xiaoqing+Zheng+General+Electric
    Otherwise he is running off with "work", which GE owns. And the patents are assigned to GE as a condition of his employment, so they aren't his either even if he is one of the authors.

    1. Re:Not his patents if he's working for GE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean... Doing a patent search without GE, and you see that Xiaoqing Zheng has several of his own patents as well which he could have been licensing to GE.

  8. No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there any connection between this engineer and China?

    1. Re:No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its the greatest witch hunt ever, there is no collusion.

    2. Re:No proof. No evidence. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 0

      What's the name again? And why would you use steganography for anything innocent?

    3. Re:No proof. No evidence. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      and 12,000+ files? That was not about his patents, and that is if he has any.

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    4. Re:No proof. No evidence. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      We don't know what those files are.
      They could be vacation pictures for all we know. Also, that happened in 2014. Don't tell me GE waited FOUR YEARS to hand that info to the FBI.

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    5. Re:No proof. No evidence. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      FBI caught him. He was communicating with known Chinese spies. GE did not catch him.
      And yes, they know what the files are. They pulled the data out of the pictures and then decrypted it. They were data files from GE. Ones that he was not entitled to.

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    6. Re:No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, 12000 personal vacation photos, stored on GE's internal network.

      just listen to yourself

    7. Re:No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay so he encrypted 12,000 personal vacation pictures, **inside** some other picture, and sent them to himself, from GE.

      But how did they get on the network in the first place? Do you think he steganographically encrypts all his vaction pictures, inside other pictures, and stores them on the internal network of a military contractor? Like it was Flickr?

      Does seem about right to you?

    8. Re:No proof. No evidence. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I store about 30K personal pictures on my work machine, the employer is OK with it. Yes the machine is within the internal network.

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    9. Re:No proof. No evidence. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Source?

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    10. Re:No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you encrypt them with steganography before you exfiltrate them, right? That's normal.
      Because you obviously work somewhere that requires a security clearance, and has strict data practices.

      So by extension, the same sub-zero level of scrutiny applied at your lackadaisical workplace, would naturally apply at General Electric, who builds all kinds of military components.

    11. Re:No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WindBourne rarely if ever backs up his statements with sources. He's been proven wrong many times before, yet he still continues to spew the same nonsense over and over again. It's pretty tiring.

    12. Re:No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't know what those files are.
      They could be vacation pictures for all we know. Also, that happened in 2014. Don't tell me GE waited FOUR YEARS to hand that info to the FBI.

      Probably boost. What else has 12,000+ files?

    13. Re:No proof. No evidence. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Can you read?
      The 2018 steganography action is different from the 2014 19K files download action. It's in TFS, no need to even leave Slashdot.

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    14. Re:No proof. No evidence. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Why can't people fucking read TFS is beyond me.
      DIFFERENT ACTIONS!
      The download happened in 2014 and the encryption happened in 2018.

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    15. Re: No proof. No evidence. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      That is you. But the FBI already pulled it apart , checked the files, and theses are GE files, not his stuff.

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    16. Re:No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have ADHD or does everything after 6 words vanish in stupor?

      Your piece of shit job is not a valid comparison. And if you cant plainly see that hiding & exporting ANY data from a secure facility looks VERY BAD, we can only be grateful that you are not charged with protecting national security.

      So thank you.

    17. Re: No proof. No evidence. by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      After a four-year investigation, the FBI arrested Zheng after searching his home and finding, among other things, a handbook detailing âoeresourcesâ Beijing would grant to individuals providing certain technologies. FBI has been monitoring him for 4 years watching him hit all sorts of sensitive areas. If GE knew it 4 years ago, they never would have allowed him access to sensitive data, even if they were working with GE.

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    18. Re: No proof. No evidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That link isn't source to what you are claiming. It's just general information about the story.

      Why don't you ever back things up with relevant links?

    19. Re:No proof. No evidence. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Luckily I am not American. My country, although 3rd world and with a plethora of issues, at least doesn't oppress its citizens with idiotic things.

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  9. How is anyone surprised by this anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been going on for decades, yet companies look doe-eyed and surprised when it happens again and again.

  10. Innocent until proven guilty by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    China is waging an all out war on the West, stealing every bit of IP it possibly can, while militarizing the South China Sea as part of its "One belt, one road" initiative, along with its 2025 and 2050 roadmap. It's about time America started recognizing that and responded appropriately.

    Firstly, it's not an "all out" war, that phrase is trying to use extreme rhetoric to gin up divisiveness. It's the same thing that the Russians (and others) are accused of doing in the US. An "all out" war would include military actions; in fact, a true "all out" war would include nuclear strikes.

    Dial back the rhetoric into a more accurate description.

    Secondly, the employee disputes the charges, and frames his explanation in a credible way. We have essentially two conflicting stories: the FBI and the employee, and we have no idea who is right.

    Jumping to conclusions, in this case espionage, is unwarranted at this time. It's calling for "mob rule" based on perception of guilt or innocence, said perception being made (by the FBI, and the employee) with no standards of accuracy.

    We have "innocent until proven guilty" for a reason, it's one of the basic rights, and we need to get back to those.

    People keep talking about "fake news" and "divisive tribalism", and we only get that when people have an emotional reaction to something they take as un-skeptically true and rhetorically pushed to the limits of outrage.

    Let the evidence be introduced and examined in the legal process, where a much higher standard of accuracy and relevance is enforced, and let a court decide.

    We don't need to get all outraged and mob-like about this incident, at least not yet.

    1. Re:Innocent until proven guilty by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Secondly, the employee disputes the charges, and frames his explanation in a credible way.

      What's credible about it? If the rights to the patent are assigned to his employer, as they certainly are, then it's not really his patent at all. There's no legitimate reason for him to transfer any of the information to himself. If there were, he wouldn't have to use steganography. All he needs to do is write down the patent numbers if he wants to refer to the patents later as his work, which if he has no right to the patents, is all he has the right to do "with" them.

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    2. Re:Innocent until proven guilty by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      You HAVE to be kidding me.
      First off, we are talking 12,000+ FILES, which his lawyer claims are nothing but his patents. Even if there were 100 files / patent, that is 120 patents. Got news for you. He does not have that many.
      Secondly, if it was HIS data, then WTF is he using steganography AND encryption to get it off the systems?
      3rdly, yes, he needs to be tried. However, that is such overwhelming evidence that it is near certain. This is no different than if 100 cameras caught you shooting Trump showing your face, your exit and at the exit you are grabbed. This is with all 100 cameras showing you shooting, running off, and then being captured. That is pretty damning. Same here. 12,000+ files and using encyrption/steganography, along with a Chinese citizenship that was unknow, AND competing businesses that were unknown, AND a book from China's MSS saying that they will reward him with all sorts of goods iff he will bring valuable IP to them.
      And you think that he is innocent? WTF.....
      Finally, China and Russia are in an all out cold war with the west. That is a FACT. They both claim otherwise, while they are hard at work on it. And yes, they are in a cold war with the west. They continue to pretend not to be, but that is a out and out lie. I was part of the cold war with USSR and knew a lot about Soviet Bio/Chem warfare.
      I see it all over again. As it is, I have dealt with 2 Chinese spies.

      Try him. The evidence is overwhelming. Then send him to old max in Colorado.

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    3. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China and Russia are in a cold war? Based on what flimsy evidence? Because Trump told you? Your CIA buddies? Your other secret sources?
      Pull you head in mate,it's just natural competition. Countries have done it for centuries.

    4. Re:Innocent until proven guilty by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      You're right! What we need to do is jump to conclusions without any evidence, just the word of the FBI. They never do things like frame innocent people! Oh wait they have a track record of doing exactly that. Anyone remember the 1960s?

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    5. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Red Tide/Caffinated Pork, Competition is very different from a cold war. You obviously do not have a grasp of what it is about or just paid to keep trolling here. Of course, the fact that you are from China speaks volumes.

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    6. Re:Innocent until proven guilty by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      huh., So, this guy has over 12,000+ files of GE data and IP that he has been moving around via stgenography/encryption, but there is a chance that he is not a spy.
      Then he has multiple trips to China, since he is a Chinese citizen. Of course, he forgot to tell GE that he has dual citizenship.
      Then when his house was raided by the FBI because he had been talking with Chinese spies, they find a book from the Chinese MSS that speaks of the rewards that they will give chinese spies that send them loads of IP.

      And you think that the FBI is making this up. Yeah. Ok.

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    7. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what everyone thought, no evidence just more trolling.

    8. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he is a Chinese citizen, what makes visiting China so suspicious?

      Oh that's right nothing.

      With all the racists like you in America it's no surprise people don't mention it if it's going to be a disadvantage.

      Maybe there is some flimsy evidence that will come out in a trial. But we only see baseless accusations from most idiots on here.

    9. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Yes it is different, which is why this isn't a cold war. If you had even the slightest clue you would realise.
      You are probably one of those idiots who Fox news has convinced that China is still communist.

      While it's true everyone in China is smarter than you. That doesn't mean everyone smarter than you is in China.

    10. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Flimsy evidence? The guy was caught transmitting ge data files loaded with GE ip, via steganography/encryption.
      And considering my kids are half Asian, I seriously doubt it.

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    11. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Asians can't be racist? You're a douche.

      ps Indians are racist to other Indians, so don't pretend that absolves you.

    12. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Porky/red tide, indians being racists has no influence on me. I remain none-racists, unlike you. Your hatred of Americans is just incredible. It causes you to trolll like there is no tomorrow. And sadly, it is ppl like you that is causing the AGW because you continue to back CHina's continue growth in CO2, AND coal plant capacity.
      China, like the west, is about to switch over to EVs. WHen they do, where will they get the electricity from? Not from AE. It will come from their 1.1+ TW of coal capacity that is running currently at around 800 GW. If your nation intended to do AE for EVs, then you would be building out your electrical capacity with AE, and at a rate similar to America. America still continues to grow our AE faster, in terms of per capita, than does your nation.

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    13. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remain none-racists, unlike you. Your hatred of Chinese is just incredible. It causes you to trolll like there is no tomorrow. And sadly, it is ppl like you that is causing the AGW because you continue to back America's continue growth in CO2, AND coal plant capacity.

      ftfy
      Per capita consumption of electricity from coal(2016):
      US=3.8 MWh (3.835 in chart)
      China=2.8 MWh (3,906 TWh by 1.376 billion population)

      America still continues to grow our AE faster, in terms of per capita

      Growth in AE looks flatline Windy
      Atomic energy is rather dirty isn't it? Unless you volunteer to have the spent fuel rod shoved up your ass?

      Renewable energy generation(2015):
      US=13.35%
      China=24.32%

    14. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      You sure you haven't been watching Fox longer? Your lies go back a lot further than 6 months.

    15. Re: Innocent until proven guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are already building it at a faster rate than the US, what planet are you talking about?

  11. Steganography though... by schklerg · · Score: 1

    Gotta give him props for going beyond the typical password protected zip file exfiltration technique

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    1. Re:Steganography though... by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he was just using password protected zip files, I might be more inclined to believe his story, The fact that he was trying to hide what he was doing cast his story in a bad light.

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    2. Re:Steganography though... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta give him props for going beyond the typical password protected zip file exfiltration technique

      It was probably a zip file renamed to jpg to e-mail it through gmail since the zip had an executable.

      Stenography is completely pointless. E-mailing huge pictures from work is more suspicious.

    3. Re:Steganography though... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have never worked in a company with an IT department that believes they are hitler?

      Regularly engineers manipulate it systems to do what they need to do as IT departments frequently stand in the way of getting work done.

  12. They're not being very smart about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do not understand why those "appropriating" information for China are not given only public keys, and instructions on how to use them. The individuals would then generate random AES symmetric passwords which they encrypt with their public key, then run AES on the payload and send the bundle when convenient.

    These people are being caught with the materials in the clear. This seems like really sloppy handling.

    1. Re:They're not being very smart about it. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      This was NOT sent in the clear. The files WERE encrypted and then steganography was used to try and hide sending it.
      One of the WORST things that you can do, is encrypt and then send the file. That is a red flag.

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  13. SHOCKED that Chink STEALS!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Literally their entire culture is one giant theft.

    NEWSFLASH. Chinks steal.

    1. Re:SHOCKED that Chink STEALS!?! by hey! · · Score: 2

      Actually, China isn't the only country that does this. US companies do industrial espionage too. The US government uses national security assets to conduct economic espionage against foreign targets, for example against Petrobras and Siemens.

      Of course this kind of thing hurts the US more and helps it less than any other country, but that doesn't mean we don't do it when the opportunity arises. Nobody consults the Categorical Imperative or thinks about long term consequences when deciding to do this sort of thing. They simply ask, "Is this advantageous to me right now?" and if the answer is "yes", they do it.

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  14. Let in the wog migrants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you expect chi.com Manchurian candidates to do ? Pimp dem migruntz feckin-A prog-slut.

  15. Almost 12,000 files downloaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no way that guy has that many patents in his name,

  16. So... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ....when do we get to start executing spies?

    I'm serious. China's been blatant in their ongoing efforts to steal both US gov't and private IP.

    And the world is having a hissy because a US president is telling them to knock their shenanigans off?

    Maybe it's about time.

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    1. Re:So... by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yep, they wouldn't think of catching a few Americans, declaring them spies, and whacking them. It helps to think things through before you shoot your foot off.

    2. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that the USA doesn't exactly have the moral authority to complain aboutother countries spying on them after decades of systematic industrial espionage, even on their closest allies.

    3. Re:So... by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      It's kind of ironic when nationalist fools want foreign nationalist fools executed for spying.

    4. Re:So... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      So what's the result...fewer American businesspeople go to China, fewer enablements for China to steal tech and IP.

      Fewer companies want to deal with them. Maybe fewer US firms building factories in China that the Chinese-Army-owned front companies can take over / plunder for talent and tech to develop their own businesses competitive with those in the west.

      Maybe taking off the mask and letting China look like the bloodthirsty totalitarian regime it is might not be a bad idea in the long run.

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  17. Crimson Tsunami/Caffeinated Bacon will defend him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy will be defending him for spying for his nation. No doubt he will claim that Zheng was framed or that Zheng never stole anything and that it all belonged to China's communist party anyways.

  18. Why? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    This is how it is done amongst real spies. The days of leaving simple encrypted files around is LONG over. Now, you have to hide that you have something of value. AQ, Talibahn, and obviously many state spies make heavy use of steganography. In general, it is hard to detect if done right and going against a weak opponent.

    BUT, the fact that he DID use steganography to transmit some 12,000+ files, implies that he got help from Chinese MSS. Since he was born and raised in China, and was obviously getting Chinese gov help, chances are that he was sent here as a sleeper.

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    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is how it is done amongst real spies. The days of leaving simple encrypted files around is LONG over. Now, you have to hide that you have something of value. AQ, Talibahn, and obviously many state spies make heavy use of steganography. In general, it is hard to detect if done right and going against a weak opponent.

      BUT, the fact that he DID use steganography to transmit some 12,000+ files, implies that he got help from Chinese MSS. Since he was born and raised in China, and was obviously getting Chinese gov help, chances are that he was sent here as a sleeper.

      Or maybe that the fact that he was Chinese ...

    2. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're an Indian spy then. Trolling for India. How much do they pay you to be so anti-china?

    3. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much does Xi pay you to suck his knob? Crimson Tsunami, Bloody whanker.

    4. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much does Xi pay you to suck his knob? Crimson Tsunami, Bloody whanker.

      How much does Elon pay you to suck his knob? WindBourne.

  19. Maybe he is a spy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldnâ(TM)t put it past China to get someone into the US as workers who had access to specific information. Why donâ(TM)t we treat these people as enemies of the state? Hopefully Trump will prosecute to the fullest extent. Send all his family back to China as well!

  20. x2: Feinstein staffer was reportedly a Chinese spy by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/...

    The driver had been employed by Feinstein for 20 years. He also acted as a gofer in the senator’s office in San Francisco and as a liaison to the Asian-American community. In this role, he attended multiple Chinese Consulate functions on the senator’s behalf.

  21. consideration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And recent cases indicate that the "consideration" can be "remaining an employee" - there's no need for any recognition whatsoever.

  22. Oops by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Big US Co's have protection of proprietary info programs. The suspect did something fishy and Co's have to show they took reasonable precautions to protect their Proprietary information or it might not be considered theft. Motorola lost an IP theft case because they were deemed not to have designated info as restricted and did not adequately restrict access. An extreme example of leaving money on your driveway, passerby picks up, hardly a case of lost or misladen but so it goes. The suspect signs confidentiality agreements and was presumably aware that encrypting and sending info against Company policy. The dude is a bad position regardless due to his suspicious actions. Spy allegations very serious, otherwise he likely loses his job and guessing goes back to his other company Or retires from that line of work.

  23. What China gonna do with GE turbines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell can the Chinese do with GE turbines?

    Will they use the GE turbines to fly lice?

    Or would they put some GE turbines into their JDI drones?

    Or into their AI projects? Or their quantum machines?

    Or will their substitute their chopsticks with GE turbines?

    WHAT ???

  24. Ever since Trump, Chinese thieves getting pinched! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clinton, Obama, and Bush gave away the store. Trump doesn't play that shit. MAGA!

  25. Not again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds familiar...

    http://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/chinese-engineer-accused-of-stealing-trade-secrets-from-ge-unit-b99344912z1-274122821.html/

  26. Re:x2: Feinstein staffer was reportedly a Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Blaze? Really? When Fox News is too reliable of a source, you can turn to The Blaze!

  27. "He was ordered to wear an electronic monitoring" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember. " He was ordered to wear an electronic monitoring device".

    Remember that this is a jail-like sentence. And I don't think much more highly of remote-controlled cameras, or streets and public places where you live lit like search lights.

  28. What a Wind'y fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rarely watch fox news, though I have done so for the last 6 months.

    Delusional fool admits to the reason for his delusions.

  29. More Windy idiocy by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

    So Chinese aren't racist because I'm pretty sure there kids are at least half Asian too. They must also be immune.

    You remain 'none-intelligent'. It's clear from the rest of your troll post who the troll is Windy.

  30. So much Chinglish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more trolly your posts the more upset you get the more Chinglish slips out.

  31. Post full of lies trolls from windy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America is still far worse and is getting further behind in deploying renewables not even catching up. What stupid comments from you.