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Corporate America Cools On Blockchain. Gartner Sees 'Disconnect Between Hype and Reality' (bloomberg.com)

"Corporate America's love affair with all things blockchain may be cooling," reports Bloomberg. An anonymous reader quotes their report. [Alternate version here.] A number of software projects based on the distributed ledger technology will be wound down this year, according to Forrester Research Inc. And some companies pushing ahead with pilot tests are scaling back their ambitions and timelines. In 90 percent of cases, the experiments will never become part of a company's operations, the firm estimates. Even Nasdaq Inc., a high-profile champion of blockchain and cryptocurrencies, hasn't moved as quickly as hoped. The exchange operator, which talked in 2016 about deploying blockchain for voting in shareholder meetings and private-company stock issuance, isn't using the technology in any widely deployed projects yet...

"The disconnect between the hype and the reality is significant -- I've never seen anything like it," said Rajesh Kandaswamy, an analyst at Gartner Inc. "In terms of actual production use, it's very rare...." Only 1 percent of chief information officers said they had any kind of blockchain adoption in their organizations, and only 8 percent said they were in short-term planning or active experimentation with the technology, according to a Gartner study. Nearly 80 percent of CIOs said they had no interest in the technology. Many companies that previously announced blockchain rollouts have changed plans

Problems include the fact that most blockchains "also can't yet handle a large volume of transactions," and worries about compatibility with other software -- which some hope to address next year with software certification testing. But at least two big tech companies are aggressively pushing blockchain.

"So far, IBM and Microsoft have grabbed 51 percent of the more than $700 million market for blockchain products and services, WinterGreen Research Inc. estimated earlier this year,"

84 comments

  1. Holy Vapor, Batman by glomph · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because 'blockchain' sounds better than 'redundant distributed database', a term (and technology) that's been around & constantly improved for ages.

    Buzzword bullshit does not create reality, unless you are in the Cult of the Orangutan.

    1. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      either way, using a 'database' that continually grows as it stores every transaction, and can never be trimmed-down or archived, and is slow as fuck.. is a pretty shitty choice for nearly every application one might 'try' to 'use' it in.

    2. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why noSql was invented

    3. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Blockchain technology is real, and has some interesting applications and uses, but I guess the business folks are figuring out it's not some magic get-rich-quick sauce. I'm fine with the hype cooling off, as now the computer scientists / programmers can settle down and start figuring out how to make use of it for real and fix some of its deficiencies and problem areas, rather than slapping a label on a product or service by less scrupulous folks to manipulate stock prices.

      Dare I hope the same thing happens with "AI" soon? Personally, I just substitute "advanced pattern recognition" anywhere I see the term "AI", which helps, but I'm still getting a bit tired of the hype.

      --
      Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
    4. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A blockchain is a distinct data structure. You wouldn't call a linked list a database. It can be used to implement a database, but it isn't a database. Blockchains have distinct advantages and disadvantages compared to other data structures. The part that most people don't understand is that blockchains are not a new concept. The innovation is in the way blockchains are authenticated without central authority. The business people who are excited about blockchains don't understand that part, if the projects they see as potential blockchain applications are anything to go by.

    5. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Known+Nutter · · Score: 2

      But imagine a Beowulf Blockchain of these!

      --
      Beware of the Leopard.
    6. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by glomph · · Score: 1

      Agreed.... My favorite version of this is Elasticsearch, but there are numerous others, all optimized for various use cases.

    7. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Blockchain is about probabilistically solving Byzantine Generals Problem in a trustless environment. It has very little to do with your 'redundant distributed database'. Get some 101 course on cryptology, distributed systems and blockchain please.

    8. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Is it webscale? Can it write to /dev/null for extra performance?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    9. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by 14erCleaner · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Please, please, please: list some of these uses. I've asked this question before, and gotten silence in response. What is the use of this "$700 million" technology? What is it good for, other than evading the law?

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      Have you read my blog lately?
    10. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to be a drumpftard, but after hearing so many brilliant, cultured people find all these exciting and creative new ways to call him an orange, small-handed poopiehead, I'm officially changing my voter registration to dem. I simply can't not be associated with this movement.

    11. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even "figuring out how to make use of it for real" is still outrageous hype.

      Blockchain would probably be most useful as a firing offense.

    12. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by Camembert · · Score: 1

      A good use case I read about was was property records in countries with high corruption.

    13. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in a bank. They have no idea what to use it for. There is no application it can be used for that they do not already have 3 tech stacks for. The only thing that it has going is a way to insure immutability.

    14. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by 14erCleaner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And in countries with high corruption, who is going to set up this system? And who is going to pay for it? And even if you did set it up and get it funded, why would the corrupt government respect it? This is just more "evading the law".

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      Have you read my blog lately?
    15. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea was more that a central government could set it up, to fight corruption at the local levels.

    16. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2

      If the central government isn't corrupt, then why don't they just keep the property records themselves, in a traditional format? And again, who pays?

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      Have you read my blog lately?
    17. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by LordKronos · · Score: 2

      Sorry,but those are in direct conflict. Anywhere that property records are in concern, that implies the government is the final authority on the record. The entire purpose of block chain is that there is no final authority...the authority is collective. Without that feature of block chain, you just have a public database with checksums and redundancy. You are welcome to make copies of that database if you want, just like you are welcome to keep copies of the public records. If the government is corrupt enough to modify the history of records and the courts to not overrule you contesting the changes, the why do you think they are just going to say "oh, but now its block chain enabled so I guess we just gotta stay honest". And let's look at this from the opposite way. Lets assume the government is 100% honest. What do you think the government is going to do when you refuse to digitally sign off on a legit tax lien be levied against your property, or the property being legitimately foreclosed and resold when you didn't pay your mortgage? Do you think they are just going to say " oh well"? If they have the ability to override your lack of consent, then what was the purpose of this block chain to begin with?

    18. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Even "figuring out how to make use of it for real" is still outrageous hype.

      "Solutions in search of problems," as they say... or even "when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."

    19. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by 14erCleaner · · Score: 2

      Anybody else have a legitimate use? *crickets*

      --
      Have you read my blog lately?
    20. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are confusing the block chain with the consensus protocol

      A block chain is useful by itself to assert the integrity of historical records. That integrity is only as good as the strength of the digest algorithm and the data structure being used and even behavior of apps that work with it.

      For some reason lots of people also conflate the idea of a block chain with the specific implementation in Bitcoin... A block chain is a conceptual list where each item includes the digest of the previous item. It can be stored out of order, you just have to be able to know how to find the previous item and how to compute it's digest. The item can be a block of a bunch of data or just one record ... Depends on the resolution you need on what's in there.

      And none of that has anything to do with government or your rights or consent. All the government needs to fuck you over is a gun. These days it's carried by police officers and marshalls who are enforcing court orders so some people mistakenly think all the government needs is a pen. But that's wrong, it's the gun and the threat of force that makes it happen. And the gun doesn't care whether you invested in over hyped block chains or not.

    21. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1

      So, Mr. Coward, why do you need an anonymous historical record? And again, who pays?

      --
      Have you read my blog lately?
    22. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by LordKronos · · Score: 2

      You are confusing the block chain with the consensus protocol

      No I'm not. You seem to be confusing the fact that consensus is the ONLY new feature that block chain brings to the table. Every other feature...digital signatures to verify authenticity, hashed history chaining, multi-master redundancy...all of it has existed for decades. Using block chain without the consensus is like chemotherapy without chemicals.

    23. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by LordKronos · · Score: 2

      Well, its good for making IBM and Microsoft at least $357 million.

    24. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by SEE · · Score: 1

      "Corruption" is not binary but a sliding scale, a "government" is not an expression of a singular will but an activity of a wide number of people with a wide number of individual goals, and "authority" means many different things in many different shades.

      Blockchains won't stop Mugabe from expropriating farms and distributing them to his supporters, but there are any number of cases of quietly-bribe-three-clerks scams in (for example) India that blockchain property records could potentially make impractical. And with the increasing numbers of smartphones even in the poorer places on Earth, a blockchain-based method is potentially far more practical, infrastructure-wise, than trying to make sufficient duplicates of paper records or maintain secure backups of centralized databases.

    25. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I really wondered about that, then after investigating, I realized IBM is using blockchain to refer to anything vaguely related to cryptography. So if you want digital certificates, that's blockchain. If you need a random number generator, that's blockchain. If you need custom https certificates, that's basically blockchain.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    26. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      So if you lose your private key, you lose the property? It just gets deleted off the earth?

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    27. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The blockchain is the database. The consensus algorithm addresses the Byzantine general problem.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    28. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another useful idiot.

    29. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      "Corruption" is not binary but a sliding scale, a "government" is not an expression of a singular will but an activity of a wide number of people with a wide number of individual goals, and "authority" means many different things in many different shades.

      Blockchains won't stop Mugabe from expropriating farms and distributing them to his supporters, but there are any number of cases of quietly-bribe-three-clerks scams in (for example) India that blockchain property records could potentially make impractical. And with the increasing numbers of smartphones even in the poorer places on Earth, a blockchain-based method is potentially far more practical, infrastructure-wise, than trying to make sufficient duplicates of paper records or maintain secure backups of centralized databases.

      Great, but you didn't really address my criticism of using "blockchain" in this situation. So lets go with your bribe-three-clerks example and try to see what "blockchain" will do for this.

      So what can I do by bribing three clerks?

      1) I could bribe them to file a lien on your property. How does blockchain stop that? A lien can't require my signature, otherwise I could just refuse legitimate liens. So the government needs the ability to file the lien without me signing off. Thus I could still bribe someone to file it that way, and so we didn't really solve anything

      2) I could bribe them to remove a lien without the lienholders permission. This is the same as 1, but just reversed.

      3) If someone did 1 or 2, then the other party needs to go to court to get it removed. The same will be true with blockchain. You will need to present evidence that you paid off the lien. They will need evidence (in the form of a contract) that the lien is valid for services performed. Nothing really different here.

      4) Sales, transfers, etc are all just variations on the above.

      5) I could bribe someone to delete all record of a filing. The same can be done with blockchain. You just rewrite the chain history. To prevent that you need other people to have copies of the blockchain to verify against. This is where blockchain's consensus comes into play, but in this discussion we are talking about consensus-free blockchain. So if nobody else is signing off on the consensus, then really they are just keeping copies of the historical records. Without blockchain, you can just post all records publicly as they are filed, and those same people could just keep copies. You can also have that data replicated within the government to a separate read only database managed by a different department, or possibly even a different level of government (have city replicated to county, county replicated to state). So now you need to bribe multiple people across multiple organizations. That's just not practical.

      In summary, I'm failing to come up with a scenario where blockchain protects you in a way that you can't also do without blockchain.

    30. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I see very few real applications for blockchain technology. Also, even fewer of them cannot be serviced with an append-only, cryptographically signed public ledger. The only thing blockchain adds onto this is "distributed," which isn't actually needed in most cases. And, as you can see in current applications that claim to use blockchain technology, a vast majority of the work occurs OFF of the chain, with occasional results dropped on the chain just to say that they're using it.

      You may see some uses in the financial sector - banks, for example, that want to have a way to record, track, and share transactions in a way that is extremely difficult (but not impossible) to forge. This would be a private blockchain though, with only member banks being connected. You'll never see the data (nor should you).

      But again - if you trust the other institutions, do you really NEED it?

      Others have claimed that blockchain technology could be useful for document signing - you stick a hash of the document + your private key or whatever onto the blockchain. However, that still isn't PROOF that you signed it - it just means that someone with access to your keys signed it. Big whoop. Maybe it could be incorporated to the public notary system, but I don't see a big cry from society about a cabal of fraudulent public notaries...

      So again - do you really NEED it?

      Every single time I hear about a "problem" that blockchain tech is going to solve, I look at the claim, and I come to the conclusion that yes, you could do that, sure, if you wanted, but A) It isn't necessary because current safeguards in place for the workflow are fine, or B) the cost of implementation is so high that it just isn't worth it.

      The hype around the coin application is cute and all too, and things like BitCoin and Etherium may have some life in them yet, but after the next bubble I think the desire for mainstream application of X-coin is going to dwindle and die - especially when the public figure out this one truly dirty secret of blockchain-backed currency:

      If you lose your keys, your account is frozen in time. Forever. You can't take your photo ID to Mr. BitCoin Exchange and say, "Hi, I lost my keys, can I get new keys and all my money back?" They can't help you. Nobody can help you. Did you not back up your wallet? Did the backup not work correctly? sadtrombone.wav, you're screwed.

      Similarly, if someone steals your keys, it's very difficult to get your coins back. You need to get the person to divulge his keys to you, or grab them from whatever hidden location he's stored them. While tracking the stolen currency is easy - the ledger is PUBLIC and every transaction is recorded (people who think BitCoin is completely anonymous make me giggle) - getting it back to your account is NOT easy.

      Central banking has its downsides, but if something goes wrong, someone can step in and fix it all.

      Blockchain reminds me of that old quote that went something like, "Once you use regular expressions to solve a problem, you now have two problems." Blockchain is just like that.

    31. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by ath1901 · · Score: 1

      Even countries with low corruption benefit from "blockchain" based registries. I know some who are considering such things. But, calling it a blockchain would be a bit much since it will probably just be some version of a Merkle tree. All the mining crap is not necessary for record keeping.

      The problem with many registries in first world countries is that you can't be certain all documents are in the registry and in the original form. Errors happen for all kinds of non-corruption based reasons. Things are misplaced, not filed at all or filed twice leaving you with two or more "final" versions.

      A hash tree based system could tell you exactly which documents were present at the time of the transaction, which were added or updated afterwards etc.

      It would also help in some cases when the original transaction did not include a really important obligatory document. A lot of time can be spent searching for something that should be there but isn't and never was.

      I've also been told good archives are very expensive to maintain and that hash trees would be cheaper for some reason.

    32. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This does line up with IBM's documented skill in marketing tech under an unrelated hype-filled umbrella term. (See: Watson.)

    33. Re: Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blockchain will power the decentralised protocols. We need to get rid of central authorities where they are not needed. Applications from provably fair gambling and prediction markets, asset tokenization from game items to stocks, exchanges. Micropayments could enable rights management and monetization of content in a different way than today. The vision is to have social networks on blockchain, messaging. Other things from distributed VPN to decentralized computing where not only Amazon can sell you computing power. Too many applications. Not parking or other ideas - most of the ideas are bad but some are crucial.
      Does this satisfy your question? There is too much one can elaborate about.

    34. Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IBM lists 41 use cases on their website: https://www.ibm.com/blockchain/use-cases/

  2. Jesus is love. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "God bless America"
    was invented by false and unknown prophet.

    "America must bless Jesus, son of God and Mary"

  3. Tulipchain cools down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets go back to my dotcom business model.

  4. Inevitable by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because almost no one in the corporate world even understood what "blockchain" even means. They heard and saw a bunch of hype, they were afraid of missing the bandwagon, so they just reflexively "adopted" it.

    It's very similar to the era where if you "had a website", your lack of a business plan or completely idiotic business plan, everyone jumped because "websites are going to be big!" Nobody know what they were really getting then, either, hence. Pets.com. etc.

    1. Re:Inevitable by mmmVenison · · Score: 1

      From an old episode of M*A*S*H: "Our people have this question under scrutiny at the moment. Now, if this scrutinization should yield negative, then I feel that we must maximize our efforts."

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    2. Re: Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for a government food regulatory agency and this year our new VP of IT has been pushing blockchain as an idea for some kind of origin traceback program. It's very unclear how blockchain would help that, but meanwhile we haven't even advanced enough to have wifi in even a single office (8000+ employees). If you need a network connected laptop in a meeting room, you have to unplug the conference phone to steal the ethernet jack. But yeah, blockchain.

    3. Re: Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much every IP phone phone I've ever seen has lan passthrough so now I don't believe you even work. Let alone for a big business

    4. Re: Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much every IP phone phone I've ever seen has lan passthrough so now I don't believe you even work. Let alone for a big business

      I totally believe his story. It contained these clues:
      1)I work for a government food regulatory agency
      2) our new VP of IT
      3) we haven't even advanced enough to have wifi in even a single office

    5. Re: Inevitable by sjames · · Score: 1

      In the private sector sure. This is government, they probably have the oldest still (somewhat) functional IP phones ever. The ones with the 'pass through' that might or might not actually pass-through, and if they did, it was 10Mbps half duplex.

    6. Re: Inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is government, they probably have the oldest still (somewhat) functional IP phones ever. The ones with the 'pass through' that might or might not actually pass-through, and if they did, it was 10Mbps half duplex.

      Wow. You're so much smarter than "the government" you just made up.

    7. Re: Inevitable by sjames · · Score: 1

      Have you BEEN in a government office?

  5. Funny by jwymanm · · Score: 0

    Someone writes this article right after corporate America Starbucks (crypto will be first worldwide currency) and microsoft double down on blockchain and nyse owner has a huge announcement to back bitcoin with real purchases for futures. You guys are just funny with the trolls. In five years you will be left in the dust.

    1. Re:Funny by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone writes this article right after corporate America Starbucks (crypto will be first worldwide currency) and microsoft double down on blockchain and nyse owner has a huge announcement to back bitcoin with real purchases for futures. You guys are just funny with the trolls. In five years you will be left in the dust.

      Translation: "I bought bitcoin at $19000 with borrowed money and now it's under $7000. If it will only get back to like $12000, I'll be able to get out and not have to sell my car."

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    2. Re:Funny by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      cryptocurrency is one thing, but other business use of blockchain is another. Blockchain architecture is lousy for distributed database systems, that's a long solved problem. Right now various groups are trying to push blockchain as a solution for the wrong types of problems.

    3. Re:Funny by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Blockchain != cryptocurrency, especially in corporate applications. Even those banks who are experimenting with coins like Ripple to manage settlements will come to their senses, and understand that they are completely out of their gourds using a cryptocurrency (of which half is owned by the founders) for this purpose. They may end up using blockchain technology to implement distributed trust and immutability, but they have no need for a coin.

      As for retailers accepting BTC, there is very little upside there for either the merchant or the customer, unless that customer is someone who happens to already hold a decent amount of them. Another more efficient and stable cryptocurrency may eventually rise to become a widely accepted means of payment for the masses, but it won't be BTC and it won't be in the next 5 years. I'm willing to stake a good bottle of Scotch on that.

      I'm not very surprised that corporations are cooling on the notion of "using blockchain". I work on innovation in a reasonably large entity, and if I would have gotten a Dogecoin for every time someone said "we are planning to do an experiment with Blockchain" or "Should we do something with cryptocurrencty?", I'd be able to retire by now. By the way, the best way to silence those idiots is to ask: "What?". What should we do with cryptocurrency, what is your blockchain experiment? No one is able to give a concrete answer to that, or propose something that couldn't be handled just as well or better with a database.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    4. Re:Funny by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      Or maybe he's working for a blockchain startup. Which as with any startup requires a leap of faith. But as we all know, sometimes that leap pays off, in money or other ways.

      Though if he really bought bitcoin he can only hope it pays off with money.

    5. Re:Funny by jwymanm · · Score: 0

      Or I have zero bitcoin and hold 30 other altcoins. I started buying bitcoin back when it was 700$ but spread into other projects that I enjoyed more. It's never been in a bear season and if you look at the chart from year one you can tell it can only go up from even here. I'm already happy with it. I enjoy the ecosystem and can't believe any person that wants to call themselves a nerd would frown upon a distributed database/ledger that is powered by opensource. Opensource that can be applied to open any business process. You guys just want to hate that is all there is to it.

    6. Re:Funny by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      no, while (barely) adequate for cryptocurrency blockchain is a lousy solution for most business processes though, a very bottlenecked architecture. superior solutions exist for other business distributed databases and trust mechanisms.

      as far as saying "it can only go up from here", er, no markets never have that guarantee. bitcoin could have its value sabotaged by government actions, for example.

    7. Re:Funny by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      yes and the market was so overjoyed with the news that BTC went to the moon...

      except today it plummeted below $7K

    8. Re:Funny by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Funny

      Definitely.

    9. Re:Funny by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I started buying bitcoin

      I didn't know anyone was dumb enough to actually do that... I mean, other than paying for juice and hardware, anyhow.

    10. Re:Funny by jwymanm · · Score: 0

      Way to throw millions of people under the rug like that. What's in it for you (or others here) to be such a critic? Why hate _this_ technology? Other than the power usage, which is why I like PoS coins that use almost nil power, you're hating opensource technology just because it deals with markets/money? I don't get it.

    11. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other than the power usage

      I'm selling my new alternative car which is fantastic for driving to work. Other than the fact that it only gets 10cm to the gallon it's so much better than a normal car. Why don't you want to buy it?
      Also...

      while (market.isInsane())
      {
          AltCoint altCoin = new AltCoin(dictionary.getRandomWord() + "Coin");
          List myCoins = altCoint.allocateCoinsByPercent(50);
          ICO cashGrab = altCoin.createICO();
          Bank.deposit(cashGrab.sellToRubesAndSuckers(myCoins));
          dustBinOfHistory.add(altCoin);
      }

    12. Re:Funny by ET3D · · Score: 1

      Anyone who wants to back Bitcoin is an idiot. Either that or is making big bucks off it. Bitcoin is a terrible coin.

    13. Re:Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or I have zero bitcoin and hold 30 other altcoins. I started buying bitcoin back when it was 700$ but spread into other projects that I enjoyed more. It's never been in a bear season and if you look at the chart from year one you can tell it can only go up from even here. I'm already happy with it. I enjoy the ecosystem and can't believe any person that wants to call themselves a nerd would frown upon a distributed database/ledger that is powered by opensource. Opensource that can be applied to open any business process. You guys just want to hate that is all there is to it.

      Sounds like you're heavily invested in Libertarian Nonce Cents.

  6. I told you by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Sees Disconnect Between Hype and Reality

    https://youtu.be/9AajslFuPro

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  7. No shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would they ever have made the assumption that adding "...with blockchain" was automatically going to increase profits in any way? Instead of coming up with new patents or products I should switch to manufacturing buzzwords for a living.

  8. I know of at least one company by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    who's stock value increased well about 100% when they announced plans to do their own microcurrancy and Blockchain implementation.

    All of that gain and another 40% decrease plummeted their stock value when they announced: "Just kidding."

    1. Re:I know of at least one company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who's stock value increased

      I don't know, who *is* stock value?

  9. Thoughts by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    As with every new technology there come a lot of people who are willing to get VC money under the pretext of changing the world for the better and inventing the things which will net insane profits and blockchain is no different.

    I'm not sure too many people have suddenly cooled on blockchain. More like journalists have failed to unveil a hype with little to no substance in time. I'm not saying the technology is useless, I'm just saying that blockchain just cannot solve all the world problems, yet it's exceptionally useful for certain areas of our existence. BTW, Git SCM is a good example of blockchain, yet no one talks about that and it was first released long before Bitcoin. systemd-journal also uses a sort of blockchain to store its log files.

    Then we obviously have Bitcoin/Ethereum and several hundred of altcoins which still are very much alive, though people still don't trust them because there's no recognized authority behind them (math and science have fallen out of grace recently) and people prefer fiat money which is ostensibly backed by central banks (but we all know how it works, how it sometimes fails to work and how it's susceptible to manipulation, dirty games and trillion dollars bailouts).

    1. Re:Thoughts by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

      Is the energy-consumption problem particular to Bitcoin (or crypto-currencies in general), or is it fundamental to "blockchain"?

      Many of the folks that love Bitcoin are folks that hate many ways of generating electricity.

      --
      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- HST
    2. Re: Thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ? I'm mining on 27kw solar array with a 100kw micro hydro in Divide, CO.

      Raven is profitable right now

    3. Re: Thoughts by LordKronos · · Score: 1

      It's specific to certain cryptocurrencies, including bitcoin. Block chain is essentially a group consensus algorithm. Consensus is whatever 51% of the nodes agree on. The problem is, its trivial to use 1 computer to spawn nearly limitless copies of the software mimicking as many individual nodes. So to deal with that, you need some methodology to identify each node by some form of limited resource.

      Proof of work uses the limited CPU/GPU resources to solve this. You can spin up 2 or more copies of the software, but each will be dealing with only half as much cpu,and thus half as much say in the outcome,and thus there's no benefit of found so.

      Another algorithm is proof of space, which works in a similar fashion except using limited disk space in place of CPU (you can spawn multiple copies, but they will collectively have the same total storage,thus no benefit). Proof of space is more environmentally friendly than proof of work, but still wasteful.

      The third common method is proof of stake. This works pretty much like shareholders voting in a company. The more shares of stock you have, the bigger a say you get in the vote. The more cryptocoins you have, the bigger your vote in the consensus. This eliminates all of the resource waste, but has the downside (in some peoples view) that essentially the rich get richer. The more coins you get, the more say you get.

      This covers pretty much every coin out there, but Im sure someone has come up with some other limited resources to use wastefully....proof of bandwidth or something.

    4. Re: Thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So.... Proof of Waste?

    5. Re: Thoughts by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Nice summary.

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  10. Disconnect from reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is a pretty good description of an awful lot that is going on in tech these days. The next bubble is going to be a mother when it bursts. It's unbelievable what people have fallen for.

  11. Who to make fun off, Gartner or Blockchain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm torn here.

  12. Juice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because with blockchain, your power bill quadrupled.

  13. Gartner.. by Junta · · Score: 1

    "The disconnect between the hype and the reality is significant -- I've never seen anything like it," said Rajesh Kandaswamy, an analyst at Gartner Inc.

    That's pretty much the case for most things Gartner sings the praises of from the rooftops. Gartner and IDC's business is largely made at senselessly hyping things up to scare companies into paying them for analyst insight on 'the new hot thing' that they don't get, but must be important....

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  14. I've never seen anything like it, by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 2

    "I've never seen anything like it," said Rajesh Kandaswamy, an analyst at Gartner Inc

    And this is why Gartner is full if it. They are part of the hype train. They are part of the constant annoyance of C*O to lower level employees to jump on the train and not address the real issues.

  15. All this has happened before... by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

    It's not like this hasn't happened before... The best known previous example is the "Business X, except on the internet" that was all the rage during the dot.com boom and I'm pretty sure everyone here on slashdot remembers what happened when people finally wised up on it.

    Sure, there were some actually viable and profitable businesses that came out of it, but most of the businesses that got investors excited were garbage companies with no viable path to profitability. Thus when they finally figured out that being on the internet wasn't some magical thing that couldn't fail the end the result was truly brutal and it's not like the average quality of bitcoin startups is any better than the average quality of blockchain startups.

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  16. thats cause Blockchain is B2B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same hype on the cooling as on the heating. ying and yang. blockchain is a tool for B2B networks there are plenty of big time projects people dont talk to the media about because its not a get rich quick technology. its a platform to reduce costs of reconciliation and stuff like that between business entities.
    its fast enough if you dont use proof of work public consensus. hashgraph is pretty fast.
    you bandwagon riders love to ride up and down even. serious engineers knows its a tool and where it fits

  17. There's an unspoken reason for corporate distaste. by sehlat · · Score: 1

    Basically, whether you call it "distributed redundant database" or "blockchain," it's something that does NOT lend itself to the monopoly dream all of the corporations have. It is neither owned nor controlled by one single party, so the Party of Greed, aka Corporate America, simply cannot abide it.

  18. Dumbest blockchain proposal I saw/heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was working a contract where some of the tech leads were heavily pushing block-chain as a solution to many of the organizations problems. Chiefly they were looking to solve issues with non-repudiation and centralization of records. The hitch in their whole plan was they primarily dealt with homeless individuals, who (shock) often don't have access to computers or smartphones, much less own one. When I asked them how these individuals would maintain their keys for signing (critical for non-repudiation to have any meaning)... "we'll manage the keys for them". Okay, then what are the block chains going to be distributed/stored "our equipment of course". At that point, I told them they really needed to run this "solution" past lawyers versed in the technology and just checked out of the conversation. They weren't looking to actually solve the problems, they wanted to play with shiny new toys.

    Which actually brings up another issue with blockchain solutions that I don't see addressed often. There's very little case law I'm aware of that clarifies if blockchains would actually be suitable as evidence of transactions or contracts in court and under what conditions. With a well defined and controlled infrastructure I think it's pretty easy to prove that party A and party B both signed and it's binding, but if the situation was more like above where key control was not compartmentalized it could get very messy in a hurry. If I'm managing millions of dollars in transactions (which they were), I'd want to be certain of what the requirements were before I implemented something, was taken to court and had my solution deemed "inadequate as proof" and was left on the hook for the money in question (which happens frequently with their current paper based solution... so you would think they'd learned their lesson).

  19. Typical "buy high, sell low" mentality by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    They were all jumping on the blockchain bandwagon when Bitcoin was approaching $20,000 last year, now that it's dropped over 50%, they don't want anything to do with it.

  20. You're full of it Re:Holy Vapor, Batman by ET3D · · Score: 0

    Really? You asked it before? Did you ask Google? I did and I got quite a few answers. You might argue with them, but I can't believe you're honestly asking for blockchain uses.

  21. The biggest problem with bitcoins? by Jerry · · Score: 1

    The fact t that 81% of all mining takes place in one country, China, which is under totalitarian control. The blockchain ledger contains what they want it to contain. And blockchain has serious scaling problems as well. Supposedly a "distributed" system, most transactions take over an hour to verify if one has downloaded and users their own local blockchain ledger. Most cryptocurrency owners avoid the use of local ledgers by using "wallets" which connect to the ledger on a blockchain server accessed by tens of thousands - no distribution there.

    Major blockchain myths and the limitations they impose are discussed in the link below.

    https://www.kaspersky.com/blog...

    tldr; blockchain is, essentially,, a giant Ponzi Scheme masquerading as digital money. He how created it and those who jumped in early made off with the money of the late arrivals who were blinded by dreams of getting rich quick. Eventually, most government will outlaw its use.

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  22. Re:There's an unspoken reason for corporate distas by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    Wrong.

    Corporations don't contest money put into or taken out of accounts or put into transactions, they don't contest your home address, phone number, credit card....

    You're someone implying they want to falsify something. Bullshit, that's not how most corporations make money.

    The issue is the bottle necked architecture.

    Quit pushing blockchain as a solution for normal business databases, it isn't. It's a very shitty low-performance distributed database that is ill suited for most business use.

  23. Gartner made $$$ on blockchain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gartner sells research and business consulting on Blockchain and makes lots of money doing it.

    Why would someone take dating advice from a car salesman?