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Vint Cerf on Differential Traceability on the Internet (acm.org)

Addressing the bad behaviors on the Internet, that range from social network bullying and misinformation to email spam, distributed denial of service attacks, direct cyberattacks against infrastructure, malware propagation, identity theft, and a host of other ills require a wide range of technical and legal considerations, says Vint Cerf, even as he steers clear that he supports encryption. But is there a way to bring more accountability and traceability on our actions on the internet without compromising our privacy? He has a proposition: What is of interest to me is a concept to which I was introduced at the Ditchley workshop, specifically, differential traceability. The ability to trace bad actors to bring them to justice seems to me an important goal in a civilized society. The tension with privacy protection leads to the idea that only under appropriate conditions can privacy be violated. By way of example, consider license plates on cars. They are usually arbitrary identifiers and special authority is needed to match them with the car owners (unless, of course, they are vanity plates like mine: "Cerfsup"). This is an example of differential traceability; the police department has the authority to demand ownership information from the Department of Motor Vehicles that issues the license plates. Ordinary citizens do not have this authority.

In the Internet environment there are a variety of identifiers associated with users (including corporate users). Domain names, IP addresses, email addresses, and public cryptography keys are examples among many others. Some of these identifiers are dynamic and thus ambiguous. For example, IP addresses are not always permanent and may change (for example, temporary IP addresses assigned at Wi-Fi hotspots) or may be ambiguous in the case of Network Address Translation. Information about the time of assignment and the party to whom an IP address was assigned may be needed to identify an individual user. There has been considerable debate and even a recent court case regarding requirements to register users in domain name WHOIS databases in the context of the adoption of GDPR. If we are to accomplish the simultaneous objectives of protecting privacy while apprehending those engaged in harmful or criminal behavior on the Internet, we must find some balance between conflicting but desirable outcomes.

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  1. The internet has gotten along well so far... by Jarwulf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without all the tracking and authoritarian features they've been crying for all these decades. Why do we suddenly need them now?

    1. Re:The internet has gotten along well so far... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The internet has gotten along well so far...

      Has it?

      Foreign countries interfering with our democracies using fake accounts. Trolling getting to the point where people are dying e.g. swatting. Endless scams (Nigerian princes etc.), phishing...

      The internet isn't some magical other dimension, it's just a part of everyday life and part of its immense power is that things that happen online have real world consequences. And that includes what bad actors get up to.

      Personally I don't like this scheme because it's impractical and would give authorities far more power than car licence plates do, but the other extreme isn't much better.

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    2. Re: The internet has gotten along well so far... by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As soon as we all switch to IPV6 and they stop NAT we will all be assigned our own IP address and we will all no longer be anonymous, but that day is a long way off, there are too many bits and pieces that cannot do IPV6 and that are too expensive to just switch off.

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  2. Vint Cerf works for Google by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing wrong with that... but, given the subject being discussed, it’s something to keep in mind when reading his opinion regarding tracking and privacy.

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  3. Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By way of example, consider license plates on cars. They are usually arbitrary identifiers and special authority is needed to match them with the car owners (unless, of course, they are vanity plates like mine: "Cerfsup"). This is an example of differential traceability; the police department has the authority to demand ownership information from the Department of Motor Vehicles that issues the license plates. Ordinary citizens do not have this authority.

    Considering the government's efforts with license plate readers precisely because they're the only ones with the power to demand ownership information from the DMV, isn't this a great example of the whole problem with trying to introduce traceability? It's become very clear that computers not only allow for the rapid automation of use but also the rapid automation of abuse. Attach that to a global communication network, and you offer pervasive rapid automation of abuse. It stands to reason with that in mind, you want to take steps to reduce traceability as a necessary step towards resilience from the pervasive adversaries, not only to those endowed with authority but those who would bribe, mole, or engineer their way into that authority.

    tl;dr - We need to take more steps towards protecting users, not trying to out villains. Computers are the one space where that's a much more doable option than most.

  4. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? by Ken+McE · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I rather like the idea of someone, something, being able to reach out and touch all those people who use the internet to commit felonies. I can't do it. One of the reasons I can't is because I have pretty well given up on the idea of being able to identify who is on the other end of this weeks scam. I can't even identify what country they are in.

    I like the idea of a big brother who could reach out and smite on my behalf. Problem is, I can't think of anyone who I would trust with that power. How do I keep the RIAA away from my music ? How do I keep my state from checking that I haven't bought any straws lately, or the wrong laundry detergent?

    The ancient romans expressed it as "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? " or (loosely translated) who will watch over the people who watch over you? I have no answer to this problem but do understand the desire to address it.

    Good luck with this problem, Mr. Cerf, good luck.

  5. It's just speech by KC0A · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The ability to trace bad actors on the internet...Consider license plates on cars..."

    This is a terrible analogy. Cars are physical objects that directly cause property damage, serious injury, or death. "The internet" is just speech, and not even the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" sort of speech.

    Differential discovery implies that there is some benevolent authority somewhere. I'm wondering who Mr. Cerf believes could be trusted with this responsibility.

  6. never go full authoritarian by ooloorie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not surprising that this proposal comes out of a workshop in the UK; European governments have been trying desperately to deal with their revolting peasants who simply don't seem to want to comply with what Brussels and their own governments tell them to do. Both in the UK and in continental Europe, governments clearly want the ability to censor speech critical of government policies and to sow fear into the hearts of people critical of government policies.

    What is charmingly naive about people like Cerf is that he thinks he can make this happen. The net effect of such a regulatory regime would simply be a shattering of the Internet, as people move to P2P platforms, encryption, and other tools to avoid government censorship of the kind he advocates. A good outcome would be that it would badly hurt platforms like Facebook and Twitter.

    So, I say, bring it on, Vint, baby. Let's see whether the open source community can demonstrate what an authoritarian fool you are.

  7. Re:IPv6 is designed to break privacy by anon+mouse-cow-aard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Please read up on Bellheads vs. netheads: https://www.wired.com/1996/10/... for networking to function best it needs to be end-to-end, and NAT breaks it. It's not a detail. It's not small kludge. It is fundamental breakage that prevents true peer-to-peer networking that happens, and forces people to use third parties to connect to one another. Hint: that's not a privacy feature.

    IPv6 with RAD includes privacy extensions by default and dead easy to deploy (even easier than DHCP on a home router.) While with typical IPv4 nat, someone who wants to map your home network just has to find your subnet, then has 255 or fewer addresses to ping. In contrast, using bog standard IPv6 (the privacy extensions became standard fifteen odd years ago?), you need to search 2 billion internets worth of addresses to map each home network, which will, at least, take much longer, but really, it is practically infeasible.

    The addresses used by IPv6 privacy extensions rotate more rapidly than IPv4 DHCP4, because they run multiple addresses at once. To argue that IPv4 is more privacy oriented than IPv6 is idiocy. Don't be an idiot.