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LibreOffice 6.1 Released

The Document Foundation said on Wednesday it is releasing LibreOffice 6.1, the latest major update to its productivity suite. It is available to download for Linux, Windows, and macOS platforms. The new version offers, among other features, Colibre, a new icon theme for Windows based on Microsoft's icon design guidelines, which it says, makes the office suite visually appealing for users coming from the Microsoft environment. The Document Foundation also reworked the image handling feature on LibreOffice to make it "significantly faster and smoother thanks to a new graphic manager and an improved image lifecycle, with some advantages also when loading documents in Microsoft proprietary formats." Other new features and changes include: The reorganization of Draw menus with the addition of a new Page menu, for better UX consistency across the different modules. A major improvement for Base, only available in experimental mode: the old HSQLDB database engine has been deprecated, though still available, and the new Firebird database engine is now the default option (users are encouraged to migrate files using the migration assistant from HSQLDB to Firebird, or by exporting them to an external HSQLDB server). Significant improvements in all modules of LibreOffice Online, with changes to the user interface to make it more appealing and consistent with the desktop version. An improved EPUB export filter, in terms of link, table, image, font embedding and footnote support, with more options for customizing metadata. Online Help pages have been enriched with text and example files to guide the users through features, and are now easier to localize.

LibreOffice 6.1's new features have been developed by a large community of code contributors: 72% of commits are from developers employed by companies sitting in the Advisory Board like Collabora, Red Hat and CIB and by other contributors such as SIL and Pardus, and 28% are from individual volunteers. In addition, there is a global community of individual volunteers taking care of other fundamental activities such as quality assurance, software localization, user interface design and user experience, editing of help system text and documentation, plus free software and open document standards advocacy at a local level.
You can read the full changelog here. Here's a video that walks through the new features and changes that LibreOffice is receiving with v6.1.

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  1. LibreOffice isn't very good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used OpenOffice for years, followed by LibreOffice.

    Look, I'm glad to not have to pay Microsoft's stupid licensing fees when I can get LibreOffice for free. I get it. I still use LibreOffice every day. But man, after all this time how is it still so buggy on Linux? Spell check randomly stops working correctly. Formatting randomly messes up. Even documents saved in MS Office format sometimes don't convert properly.

    No wonder the FOSS movement suffers from lack of mainstream users. It's still apparently too much of a challenge to have a reliable office suite.

    1. Re:LibreOffice isn't very good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have contributed to the libreoffice core (the part that does the formatting, even) before, to the point of being paid for it. There are quite a few reasons I don't do it anymore:

      (1) It's fucking boring. In no universe do I learn anything new or gain any cred by it. Replicating what has been done before is a waste of my lifetime.

      (2) It's horrible C++ code. If it were C++ code it would be bad enough - but it's not just C++, it's horrible C++.

      (3) Microsoft Office has "funny" interpretations of their own file formats in their software. For example Powerpoint doesn't really store the directory of the MSOLE file as specified but it abuses the tree structure as ... fixed-offset store. It's difficult to be compatible to a black box that doesn't even do what it's own documentation says it does (sometimes hangs instead).

      (4) Even in newer standards, Microsoft Office doesn't do what the standard says (or the standard DOESN'T say what to do in the first place).

      All in all this was not a good use of my time.

    2. Re:LibreOffice isn't very good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have never had spellcheck stop working on me, and I have a massive spelling and hyphenation dictionary installed in it (not the standard one that comes with it) as well as a bunch of other third party extensions. Not a single hiccup through writing 3 complete novels.

      As for Ms Office formats not converting properly, I did an experiment a few months back (while still in college) and found that a single .doc file opened across 5 different versions of Ms Office had inconsistencies in 4 of the other versions. So it's not just Libre Office that is the problem, it is Ms Office itself at times.

    3. Re: LibreOffice isn't very good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Spell check randomly stops working correctly. Formatting randomly messes up. Even documents saved in MS Office format sometimes don't convert properly.

      By this description it sounds like MS Office was emulated perfectly!

    4. Re: LibreOffice isn't very good by Bearhouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the entire point unfortunately, MS goes to extradinary lengths to ensure nothing will ever threaten truly be able to be compatible with their formats...including launching their own "standards"...that's what Libre and Google should concentrate on, rather than adding point less features that 90% of users never need or even understand.
      Can open and modify a simple "word" document, fine...people will get over the UI differences...
      Cannot open a PPT or PPTX that your boss has stuffed some weird animations in using MS PowerPoint, bam, your shiny new competitor is dead.

    5. Re:LibreOffice isn't very good by nagora · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even documents saved in MS Office format sometimes don't convert properly.

      The same is true of different versions of MS Office, of which there are many.

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    6. Re:LibreOffice isn't very good by Archtech · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Publishing specifications and claiming adherence to standards is quite "good enough" for Microsoft from a business point of view - which of course is the only point of view it has ever had.

      The number of people who notice that the software doesn't quite jibe with the specs, or doesn't quite implement the standard (or, usually, both) is small. And, by their very ability to understand software, they are wholly without influence in business circles.

      So, from Microsoft's point of view, screw 'em.

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    7. Re:LibreOffice isn't very good by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      I have contributed to the libreoffice core... In no universe do I learn anything new or gain any cred by it.

      If you had posted with a registered nick you would have gotten a bit of cred right here. If you put it on your resume you get major cred translating into dollars. If you send good patches then you get cred from your peers, that often translates into career-boosting networking. You know that.

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    8. Re: LibreOffice isn't very good by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      MS goes to extradinary lengths to ensure nothing will ever threaten truly be able to be compatible with their formats...

      Libreoffice has pretty damn good compatibility with Microsoft formats and improves with each release. That is particularly impressive considering the intentional and unintentional roadbocks. In some cases, Libreoffice compatibility with older formats is better than Microsoft's. But that is increasingly not the point, as Microsoft office formats are used less and less for data interchange. Today, if you want send around a finished document you send pdf. If you want to collaborate on a document, then docx is a truly crappy choice.

      Now what we care most about with Libreoffice is functionality, which continues to move along at a highly satisfactory pace. It's Christmas twice a year, at least.

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  2. Why adoption is low by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's my analysis on the root cause of why very few people still use this. From TFA (or at least the summary):

    >> new features have been developed by...: 72% of commits are from...companies...like Collabora, Red Hat and CIB ...individual volunteers taking care of ...user interface design and user experience

    When you have your JV team on the part consumers care most about (i.e., can I actually use this thing; is it easy enough to use that I'd install it on my mom's/grandma's/kid's computer), and you're developing a consumer product, you are really just shooting yourself in the foot. Because:

    >> major improvement for Base, only available in experimental mode: the old HSQLDB database engine has been deprecated

    No one cares. Really.

    1. Re:Why adoption is low by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a common problem with FOSS software. Proper UX and the general stability and ease of use are not major developmental concerns. It isn't sexy. Most FOSS contributors fall into one of two camps. They are either employed by a company that contributes code or they are a volunteer. The corporate coders write what they are told to write which is almost never going to touch on stuff that consumers care about. Red Hat does servers so they care about server side systems software. Microsoft is mostly interested in EEE so they are going to mostly contribute code that allows Windows to borrow the best parts of *nix and little else. Google cares about Android and their data centers. etc etc. Very little of this has anything to do with Grandma trying to use her email except for Android. As for the volunteers they do what they want and usually its what involves glory or has cool appeal. Improving stability isn't sexy. Its a lot of boring work and fixing other people's bugs. They would rather be the next Linus and be known as the guy who made whatever. So you end up with unnecessary and often inferior crap replacing established systems such as SystemD and Wayland. You also end up with bloated and horrific windowing systems like what Gnome and KDE have become. Corporate contributors could do a better job but they dont care about the Window Manager. All server deployments are CLI and usually headless anyways.

    2. Re:Why adoption is low by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

      ...When you have your JV team on the part consumers care most about...

      As opposed to having the top-notch UI team at Microsoft that came up the screen-hogging ribbon toolbar? It was the awful UI of Microsoft Office that drove me to try, and stay with, LibreOffice.

    3. Re:Why adoption is low by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      The reason I gave up and my exwife gave up on LibreOffice was when we were applying for jobs.

      Monster and various HR departments REQUIRE .DOC files. You write them in LibreOffice and they look sharp and great. They open it in Word 2003 and it is a garbled mess and assume you're retarded and don't know even how to use a basic word processor and filter you out. :-(

      She still uses LibreOffice for her lesson plans but I added her to my Office 365 pack so she could be accepted by HR departments for other school districts. It is so frustrating but it is the same reason IE 6 stayed on as the defacto standard from 1999 - 2012 for web development. Sites won't render right and people will assume you suck ... not their browser if it doesn't' look right.

      Things today in 2018 are improving with modern job sites like Dice and LinkedIN letting you take out formatting now compared to 5 or 10 years ago, but many HR departments will trash your resume in a heartbeat if it has any grammatical or formatting errors.

      For this reason the business world is stuck on Office whether we like it or not. It has nothing to do with consumer project or not.

  3. Does it have collaborative online editing yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Company I'm at is small, about 30 people, we moved to Google Docs a while ago for office documents. A major win was not having to administer local backups and access controls, and another win was access from any machine in any location with nothing to install, but the killer feature was online collaborative editing. It's super common we are in a meeting and 8 or 10 of us have the same doc opened on our laptops and we can all edit it with edits reflected instantly on everyone else's laptop.

    That is HUGE for our workflow. Unless Libreoffice has this it would be a non-starter in our environment or dare I say many others like us.

    1. Re:Does it have collaborative online editing yet? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, this is something you can do with LibreOffice and some related tools.

      (Your other option I guess would be Microsoft Office 365 Online, but I find - ironically perhaps - that their implementation of web and mobile "Office" to have poor compatibility with the desktop versions.)

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  4. Re:It's still crap by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    I'm sure there are exceptions, but if you have any office suite on your resume and you have ever had a relevant job it is not a good sign. You might as well list your gym membership under professional licenses.

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  5. Great stuff by coastwalker · · Score: 2

    Still the go-to office suite after all these years. Very glad to see improvements in functionality rather than "me too" marketing bullshit. Great job management & implementors. As a heavy user of at least the spreadsheet I think it is brilliant.

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  6. Re:It's still crap by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> if you have any office suite on your resume

    OK, I'll bite. There are at least three exceptions to this that I can think of:
    1) you're applying for a top desktop support role, where you might want to list a successful Office roll-out that you designed/managed/cleaned-up-after
    2) you aren't at least a 8 (or a 6 in some states) and female, and you want an entry-level receptionist/assistant job
    3) you need to get your resume past a brain-dead HR department that stapled "Microsoft Office" to its "languages" requirements (in addition to C#, Ruby, etc.)

  7. Re:systemd? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for the love of tux, put it to rest already, ffs. there's nothing in libreoffice to even fucking use systemd for.

    if you don't like systemd... don't fucking use it. don't fucking talk about it (most don't even know what they're talking about).. don't whine about it, either. and shut the fuck up already. it's NOT going anywhere.

    and besides, you could always use the real openoffice, part of the apache family since 2011, instead. perhaps its slower pace of development and stable performance on all supported platforms would suit you better. slow and steady wins the race, after all. and if you're that fucking paranoid about new shit in your precious linux, why the fuck would you use libreoffice's hack job?

  8. So Good that I Turned Down MS Office Disk by BrendaEM · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've used LibreOffice since it started, likewise OpenOffice before that. I like LibreOffice enough that I turned down a friend's offer for a MS install disk.

    LibrieOffice's menus are much more coherent than MS Office. At least when I used it, MS office had serious problems with Word loosing formatting on text, whereas if you backspace you lose formatting.

    LibreOffice has smaller file saves than MS Office because the file is gzipped after, so I am more likely to keep more backups--in less space.

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  9. Re:So, What Happened? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Informative

    >> what happened when Microsoft inflicted everyone with the ribbon

    Well that was evil brilliance. Microsoft introduced the ribbon in part to stave off the challenge from open-source office projects. People grumbled but switched because the open source alternatives were really primitive back then. Microsoft then copyrighted/patented the ribbon and made it free to anyone who was developing anything BUT an office product so open source projects couldn't easily follow it. Over time, the ribbon has become a de-facto barrier to user switching because the bulk of office users are now used to it...and open source projects can't license the ribbon.

    e.g., https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=26031

  10. Re:So, What Happened? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Microsoft's site (https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/jensenh/2006/11/21/licensing-the-2007-microsoft-office-user-interface/):

    "...licensing program for the 2007 Microsoft Office system user interface which allows virtually anyone to obtain a royalty-free license to use the new Office UI in a software product, including the Ribbon, galleries, the Mini Toolbar, and the rest of the user interface."

    "For almost everyone, there's no catch at all. Just sign up for the license, and follow the guidelines. That's all there is to it. You can use the UI in open source projects as long as the license terms are consistent with our license. You can use it on any platform: Windows, Mac, Linux, etc. If you're an ISV, you can build and sell a set of controls based on the new Office UI. There's only one limitation: if you are building a program which directly competes with Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, or Access (the Microsoft applications with the new UI), you can't obtain the royalty-free license."

  11. They should be touting No Subscription Required! by gosand · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have this installed at home (linux) but I rarely use it - once or twice a year maybe.
    At work I use MS Office all the time... Excel and Powerpoint mainly, Word and Visio if I have to. Recently I wanted to create a database ERD, so I fired up Visio 2016. Apparently we have the standard version, and after lots of googling found out that the crow's foot diagrams aren't included in the standard version. They used to, but got removed. You can't even download and install them. What makes it worse is that you can pick that as a template when creating a new document, but none of the shapes are there to use.

    Of course, we do have an Office 365 subscription, but even there Visio is not included in it. This was something standard in older versions of Visio.
    In fact, I have a damn MSDN license, but when I go to the site and look in my product keys page, all of them throw errors for any version of MS Office.
    Microsoft is really screwing the pooch on Office 365, so I am glad to see LibreOffice still making strides. I just recommended it to a co-worker yesterday who was trying to navigate the labyrinth of how to get Office installed at home now.

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  12. Re:Can do proper kerning now? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    The obvious reason is for simple documents with large text on them. I'd normally go to a real DTP product, but if someone handed me a word processing document to edit and I didn't feel like bringing it into something else, I might well want kerning.

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  13. Re:Can do proper kerning now? by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is it serious that you've never seen the difference between one text with proper kerning and one text without kerning? Really?

    In editors like MsOffice kerning is used by default, it is rarely necessary to tinker with the default setting. That's why you hardly ever hear of kerning, because it's usually done correctly by default (and also on most applications that need to show text, Firefox for example). Except in LibreOffice after version 5, in LibreOffice kerning is done so bad that it is common for certain character sets to be printed with no space between them.

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