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Monsanto Ordered To Pay $289 Million In Roundup Cancer Trial (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report from the BBC involving glyphosate, the world's most common weedkiller: Chemical giant Monsanto has been ordered to pay $289 million in damages to a man who claimed herbicides containing glyphosate had caused his cancer. In a landmark case, a Californian jury found that Monsanto knew its Roundup and RangerPro weedkillers were dangerous and failed to warn consumers. It's the first lawsuit to go to trial alleging a glyphosate link to cancer. Monsanto denies that glyphosate causes cancer and says it intends to appeal against the ruling.

The claimant in the case, groundskeeper Dewayne Johnson, is among more than 5,000 similar plaintiffs across the US. Mr Johnson was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in 2014. His lawyers said he regularly used a form of RangerPro while working at a school in Benicia, California. Jurors found on Friday that the company had acted with "malice" and that its weedkillers contributed "substantially" to Mr Johnson's terminal illness.

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  1. The only problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is that roundup doesn't cause cancer.

    1. Re:The only problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:The only problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now the politics comes into play. A court FINDS that the chemicals used DO cause cancer. BUT, it is politically "expedient" to those in (real) power to keep Monsanto in business - not getting sued to shreds. So we can unfortunately but safely predict the will wear the victim out to death and then quietly "settle" behind closed doors (for much less, plus a shut-up sign-here "agreement").

    3. Re:The only problem by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is that roundup doesn't cause cancer.

      We don't know that. Glyphosate / Roundup causes tumors in test animals at high dosage. It has not been shown to correlate with cancer in humans, but not many studies have been done, and Monsanto has lobbied the EPA to "reinterpret" some of the results.

      Given the ambiguous data, $289M seems excessive, and will likely be reduced on appeal, where judges will decide, and there will be no sympathetic jury.

      Eating food grown in fields treated with glyphosate is unlikely to be a problem. But if you work directly with glyphosate, you should take reasonable precautions. Wear gloves, long sleeves, long pants. Carry a bottle of soapy water so you can rinse quickly if it spills on your skin.

      The best solution is to transition to robotic weed control. Robots can use image recognition and targeted piezoelectric applicators to spray glyphosate directly onto the weed leaves, while spraying very little on the crop or on the ground. This can reduce herbicide use by 95%.

    4. Re:The only problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, obviously Monsanto has nothing to hide...

      https://truthout.org/articles/secret-documents-expose-monsantos-war-on-cancer-scientists/

    5. Re:The only problem by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fuck monsanto, just have the bots pull the fucking weeds.

      That would be much slower and require a far most sophisticated mechanism.

      A piezoelectric sprayer is what your inkjet printer uses. They are cheap, reliable, and fast.

      A 95% reduction that works and is affordable, is much better than a 100% solution that is never deployed.

    6. Re: The only problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then why go to all the trouble of suppressing and paying for false flag studies?
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/business/monsanto-roundup-safety-lawsuit.html

    7. Re:The only problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BS.

      Classic tobacco science.
      i.e., big business purchasing obfuscation and positive results for their product
      See:
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-07-13/does-the-world-s-top-weed-killer-cause-cancer-trump-s-epa-will-decide

      > Far from settling the matter, eight of the 15 experts expressed significant concerns about the EPA’s benign view of glyphosate, and three more expressed concerns about the data.
      > The EPA paper had a whack-a-mole quality to it.
      > Many of the reasons cited in the paper contradicted the agency’s own carcinogenicity guidelines, multiple panelists pointed out.
      > The EPA’s report on the peer review, posted on March 16, raises obfuscation to a high bureaucratic art.

    8. Re:The only problem by F.Ultra · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nothing on your list is true in the sense that you are trying to make.

      *Eggs are bad for you came from a time before the whole picture was known and scientists knew that high cholesterol was bad for you and that eggs in particular contained high amounts of cholesterol. So not warning about egg consumption then would have been negligent. Later research showed that there is no link between digested cholesterol and blood level cholesterol and thus it turned out that eggs was fine. So no this have not been switching between yes and no every other week (it happened only once) and it was not due to partisan sponsoring but the very fact that the more we know, the more we actually know.

      *Vaccines have never been labelled as 100% safe. That there are side effects for every working medical substance have been know for hundreds of years and there is no scientist or doctor that even once would believe that something is 100% safe.

      *Fluoridation of drinking water in the therapeutic levels that is done to increase dental health have never been proven to be harmful. The case where it was proven to be harmful was from a place in China where the water had been contaminated with high levels of fluoride. As always the dose makes the poison and there is a big whooping difference between contamination and a therapeutic dose.

    9. Re:The only problem by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FTFA: http://www.iarc.fr/en/media-ce... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

      Let's start with the simple one! NYT is not a scientific, peer-reviewed journal. It also has a bit of a history of being a lousy place to get your science news.

      The IARC thing is two pages and doesn't include a single reference, citation, or smidgen of data. I'd not be able to use it as a citation for anything other than for it being considered a probable carcinogen by the IARC--it's remarkably free of statistics, and citations which is actually rather concerning, especially given how cancer actually works & why we have had the admission that most cancers are caused by...well...failing to die.

      If you're trying to support a claim of 'causes cancer,' there's no substitute for quality peer-reviewed research when it comes to supporting the claims, especially since there's been some rather long-term problems with the quality of the research and how it gets interpreted.

      The IARC paper places Roundup in group 2A, which it defines as:

      Group 2A means that the agent is probably carcinogenic to humans. This category is used when there is limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity in experimental animals. Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (called chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out. This category is also used when there is limited evidence of carcinogenicity in humans and strong data on how the agent causes cancer.

      The translation for those not familiar with cancer research: "We need money for more research." You don't really get funding if you are wanting to show that something probably doesn't cause cancer...which is not something I'm comfortable with, so I pretty quickly figured out I want nothing to do with this field of research if I could help it.

    10. Re: The only problem by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Scientists claimed DDT is safe to spray on kids

      It is. DDT was banned because it was linked to a decline in bird populations, not because of harm to humans.

      Ditto agent orange

      Why would you spray agent orange on children? It's an herbicide. Unless your kids name is Herb, you're just wasting money.

      Anyway, agent orange on it's own isn't harmful to humans. The issue with the batches used was that they were contaminated with TCDD. And it was those eeeeevil scientists who discovered and pointed out the contamination issue.

      Ditto morning sickness pills

      Again, not sure why you're giving these to kids. Additionally, I'm not sure what you think the problem here is.

      Ditto burning people at stake since they knew the Earth is flat

      If you think that scientists were burning people at the stake, or claiming that the world is flat, you are one seriously deluded individual.

      Scientists are good/useful but they operate best at theoretical level and need to be super super super careful before proceeding to anything beyond that, and that is not happening all the time

      Whereas you operate at the "I'm just gonna make shit up" level, and think that this somehow makes you better than scientists.

    11. Re: The only problem by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Informative

      The EU has not banned glyphosate. In fact they just relicensed it last November for another 5 years

  2. Groundskeeper Johnny by mentil · · Score: 4, Funny

    groundskeeper Dewayne Johnson,

    I bet his case was rock-solid.

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  3. Bullshit, Horrible Reporting Everywhere On Purpuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Please stop spreading disinformation everywhere. The problem isn't glyphosate, the problem is everything else that's put into Roundup. Monsanto goes around saying glyphosate is safe and waves a bunch of valid studies in your face. They are correct. Other people go around saying roundup is dangerous and wave a bunch of valid studies in your face. They too are correct. Then everyone fights and bitches at each other. Too bad people are arguing over two different things.

    Basically A is claiming the sky is blue therefore the sky is blue. B is claiming the grass is green therefore the sky is green. So A ends up laughing at B every time A goes to the bank.

    Stop saying glyphosate/roundup. Stop saying "glyphosate" or "containing glyphosate". The glyphosate doesn't matter and is only a distraction from the real issue. Stop being easily manipulated sheep, you don't even notice how many people are fucking you. Words matter so use the correct ones and pay attention to the ones other people use.

  4. Re:Ain't gonna pay out by ArchieBunker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The payout wasn't to compensate the victim. It was to punish the company who suppressed information that the product was dangerous.

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  5. Re:odd result by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shouldn't it first be scientifically, or at least statistically proven, that glyphosate can cause cancer

    No. The courts should be accessible to everyone, even janitors. Nobody should have to wait for permission from scientists before seeking justice. It is not the janitor's fault that no conclusive research has been done, so why should he be denied his day in court?

  6. Re:Bullshit, Horrible Reporting Everywhere On Purp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Upon careful examination, I've discovered that the parent does not include any ad hominem attacks. This is no way to win an argument on the modern web!
    The post also needs more false analogy, circular reasoning, and slippery slope conclusions!

    Keep trying. You'll learn one day!

    /s

  7. Re:The Jury by CharlesAKAChuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's easy-it was in California. EVERYTHING in California causes cancer. EVERYTHING. Therefore, if someone says RoundUp gave them cancer, then in California it's an automatic win, because EVERYTHING in California causes cancer.

  8. Re:Bullshit, Horrible Reporting Everywhere On Purp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps you should name which specific chemical you're referring to, instead of saying 'everything else'. What else is in Roundup?
    According to this source:
    ethoxylated tallowamine (surfactant)
    Related organic acids of glyphosate
    Excess isopropylamine (chemical used to turn the glyphosate into a more stable salt form)

    Furthermore, it was found by a toxicologist 30 years ago that Roundup's surfactant was contaminated with small amounts of 1,4-Dioxane, which is known to be carcinogenic in animals. However, it's less than clearly carcinogenic to humans. Furthermore, this is a frequent contaminant of chemicals ubiquitous in toothpaste and shampoo, which is arguably a larger problem than incidental Roundup exposure. Does roundup even still contain this contaminant? They may have improved their processes in the past 30 years, or use a different surfactant. There are other glyphosate formulations that use different surfactants/salt forms, so the only common ingredient would be glyphosate.

  9. Re:Ain't gonna pay out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The courts should have awarded it to medical care, cancer research, etc - or do they think they can award this to ever cancer sufferer who used roundup?

    It's the court. They can do whatever they want within existing legislation. That includes ordering a company pay out of 289 million to a victim for killing him while covering up information that could have saved his life.

    If an individual person did the exact same thing instead of a group of people behind a corporate veil, they would be convicted of murder and spend the rest of their life in prison.

    Real justice would be liquidating the company and putting all board members and executives in prison.

  10. Monsanto by tquasar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember Roundup Ready seeds? Engineered to produce crops that would survive direct application of the herbicide. Farmers were coerced to use Roundup and also buy seed instead of saving or banking seed from a previous season. Adjacent fields were affected by Roundup and pollen that drifted on the wind. https://www.sourcewatch.org/in... .

    1. Re:Monsanto by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since the midâ'1990s, Monsanto indicates that it has filed suit against 145 individual U.S. farmers for patent infringement and/or breach of contract in connection with its genetically engineered seed but has proceeded through trial against only eleven farmers, all of which it won

      145 is not a small number, and considering that none of them actually did anything wrong it was only a killing spray of Monstanto.

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  11. Sooner or later... by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how long it will be before we get that "perfect storm" team. Let's say, for the sake of argument, a guy with Special Forces training, a phishing expert, and somebody with a lot of money. Let's say all of them are suffering from terminal diseases everybody, including Monsanto's team of lawyers, know were caused by Monsanto products. And when they meet up at some kind of "accept your mortality" workshop, they decide no cost is too high, if the end result is the Monsanto board of directors kicking away their lives at the end of a rope.

    Sooner or later, as the environment steadily degrades, we're going to get to the point where the people who made it happen, or their descendants, are going to be held accountable. No doubt there's a fun-filled action adventure movie to be made out of such a story...or maybe a few headlines.

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  12. Re:This guy was covered in it, breathing it, daily by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Roundup is a liquid, not a powder, and the applicators are designed to produce droplets, not an atomized mist that can be inhaled. If he was breathing it, he was doing something wrong.

  13. neonicotinoid = round up by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Informative

    Did not Bayer just acquire Monsanto for 66 Billion ? That amount should just about cover the damages that are going to be discovered. This cover up is going to make Mesothelioma look like a common cold. Bayer knew long ago that Round-Up was malignant and caused a wide variety of issues, up to and including Colony Collapse Disorder, or the disappearing Bee issue felt around the world.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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