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PC Case Maker CaseLabs Closes Permanently (pcgamer.com)

U.S.-based PC case manufacturer, CaseLabs, announced on social media that it is "closing permanently" and will not be able to fill all current orders. "We have been forced into bankruptcy and liquidation," CaseLabs said in a statement. "The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages), which cut deeply into our margins. The default of a large account added greatly to the problem... We reached out for a possible deal that would allow us to continue on and persevere through these difficult times, but in the end, it didn't happen." PC Gamer reports: CaseLabs is likely referring to the growing number of tariffs being enforced on Chinese imports by the United States government. China and the US are currently engaged in a trade war, causing many U.S. companies to lose money, lay off employees, or close entirely. CaseLabs went on to say that it won't be able to fill the backlog of case orders, but other parts will most likely ship to customers. "We are so incredibly sorry this is happening. Our user community has been very devoted to us and it's awful to think that we have let any of you down."

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  1. Look at all these jobs... by Narcocide · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... that Trump has made for America!

    1. Re:Look at all these jobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... that Trump has made for America!

      Look at all these "made in USA" companies going bankrupt the minute taxes are imposed on imports from China!

    2. Re: Look at all these jobs... by giggleloop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that's how you end up with cases that cost $500 and are kinda crappy.

    3. Re:Look at all these jobs... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

      It is at least 800 this year, and given that ever manufacturing job creates 3.6 additional jobs, that would be around 3000+ new jobs from US Steel expansion this year, alone.

      You're welcome.

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    4. Re: Look at all these jobs... by julian67 · · Score: 2

      I don't, but the local rodents do. This is all about to change, thanks to an enterprising Chinese man who knows how to spell Iowa.

    5. Re:Look at all these jobs... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Approximately 3 people in this company. So not 100 - but 3. But hey, it's great grist to blame the tariff as causing a $178,000 annual revenue company failing (please ignore the fact that the "default of a large account added greatly to the problem").

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    6. Re:Look at all these jobs... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given that ever manufacturing job creates 3.6 additional jobs

      So, I assume that means that every manufacturing job lost means 3.6 additional jobs lost. So the Carrier and Harley-Davidson plants moving out of the country will more than offset those "3000+" new jobs created by the degenerate president's tariffs. According to your math.

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    7. Re: Look at all these jobs... by gtall · · Score: 2, Informative

      So far, Trump hasn't restored any jobs save a few steel production jobs. The Make America Great Again will raise prices on every product America produces. That will mean we all get to pay more, and those companies will be at a disadvantage when attempting to compete outside the U.S. So enjoy your Kool-Aid while it lasts, but declaring economic war on more or less the entire world shows just how ignorant Trump and his advisors from Fox are about modern economies.

    8. Re:Look at all these jobs... by gtall · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To put a finer point on your point, Trump says the tariffs will pay down the U.S. debt. Hmmm....so if taxed $500 Billion of Chinese exports at 25%, we have $125 Billion. The U.S. has a roughly $20 Trillion dollar debt, that'd be $20,000 Billion. So Trump has a way to go...waaayyy...waayyys to go because... ...courtesy of his and the R's tax give away, we will now have $1 Trillion deficit this year and in succeeding years, it only gets worse. And they promised us that the tax give away would pay for itself. Hmmm...Voodoo Economics rises from the Dead, Repeat ye of Little Faith.

    9. Re: Look at all these jobs... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No one cares if "assembled in America" jobs are lost.

      Except the people who have those jobs.

      Fuck 'em.

      This is indeed the core of #MAGA.

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    10. Re: Look at all these jobs... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      I was looking at rodent traps on aliexpress and noticed some stamped "Made in Iowa".

      Well, if you need so many rodent traps that it's worth finding that kind of discount then I take my hat off to you, you have one hell of a rodent problem. Best of luck.

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    11. Re: Look at all these jobs... by julian67 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's time to admit the truth. I have no rodent problem. No mice, no rats. Some squirrels in the garden but that's fine. Here is the real reason for me looking at rodent traps on aliexpress: my young nieces wanted pets. Their mother, my sister, got them fancy rats. The girls like them but not enough to properly take care of them, clean their living spaces and all the stuff that domesticated animals require.

      I do not like rats. I have lived in Bangkok. I do not ever want to be close to another rat, wild or domesticated, cooked and presented on a stick, or live and actively ratty, or anything in between. I am rather keen on helping these unwanted pets on their journey to rat heaven or hell, which are probably indistinguishable to the human eye but may actually closely resemble Bangkok. Or Chennai (less fresh food but the human faeces is that much more accessible). So I casually browsed rodent traps on my favourite shopping site. I didn't buy any yet, but have greatly enjoyed the very explicit and frank illustrations of the products' successes.

      Thank you for your interest. Have some cheese.

    12. Re: Look at all these jobs... by Chas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      *sets aside the TDS crazy*

      Sorry, do you even know who Case Labs is?

      They're a low volume, high price boutique computer case seller.

      Sure, there are $2,000,000 cars out there. But not many people buy them. As there may be no value proposition for them.
      Sure, Case Labs makes $500+ cases. But not many people buy them. As there is no value proposition for them.

      As such, anything that even MODESTLY disrupts their price/profit model is going to wreak havoc.

      And that's under the naive assumption that there are NO other market forces acting on them. Remember what I said about few people dropping $500+ for a case? And the fact that there are other boutique sellers out there as well?

      Also, CaseLabs is based in California. Probably THE most business-unfriendly state in the union. I wouldn't be surprised if their efforts to legislate businesses out of business didn't drastically impact their employee and insurance costs.

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    13. Re: Look at all these jobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Trump is destroying manufacturing jobs in America"
      Every time a manufacturer faces hardship Trump gets blamed. Which is 100% grade A bullshit peddled by those occupying the lower tier in the IQ department. Even with China and other SE Asia countries who use slave level wages to create cheap exports the US is ranked #2 in the manufacturing competitiveness standings. And the future predication based on prior output and profitability puts the US ahead of China in 2020.

      Forget Trump. He will be gone in a few years. Focus your gave and arguments on the problems not on the on the people who created the problems in the first place. Every righteous protester roaming the streets today have one goal. They take what they consider a universe ending crisis and put all their efforts into placing blame for the crisis. Placing the blame is done all in accordance with their political bent and skewed worldview. After the blame has been firmly affixed, and it doesn't matter if the blame was assigned to the right individual or group, they move on to the next outrage and the problem still remain. And realize that like any President Trump inherited today's major problems from his predecessor. And Obama raised tariffs on Aluminum during his first term and the move didn't seem to bother anyone. If you think it is only wrong when Trump does the same thing then you best sit back and stop cluttering the world up with your idiocy and for the sake of the future you shouldn't pass that mental deficiency to any offspring.

      The US is the only country that is expected to sacrifice anything and everything to placate the "international" community. Why is it OK for the EU to impose 6% tariffs on US car imports but the US can only impose 4% tariffs on car exports to the EU? And this is just one example of the US forced to accept less. And foreign government is complaining because the existing trade agreements are fair and balanced. They are complaining because things like this is shouldn't be discussed in public.

      China acts like it is still a failed Communist full of barefoot peasants and approach any economic agreements from this position. The Europeans act as if WW2 ended last week and they need more favorable trade agreements to help them "recover".

      And the rest of the world seems to be a little slow on understanding just how much the US population doesn't give two shits about the "international" community.

    14. Re:Look at all these jobs... by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 2

      i guess the importer pays them?

      The end consumer always pays in the end. Trump is betting that increased prices for US consumers will hurt America less than reduced sales for foreign vendors will hurt their respective countries. I think he is betting wrong. Everyone else is doing free trade deals among themselves and diversifying to reduce their reliance on US markets. That weakening of the importance of the US to global trade will last long after Trump is gone.

    15. Re:Look at all these jobs... by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I figured it out. "Make America Great Again" means either one of two things:

      1: It's a commandment

      Close, but no cigar. It is just a brand of Condiment that starts sales in about 2.5 years. It was originally a stake sauce, but had to be reformulated.

    16. Re:Look at all these jobs... by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Sorry, "stake sauce" was supposed to be followed by a clever zombie joke, but I came up short. Anybody?

    17. Re: Look at all these jobs... by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      They're a low volume, high price boutique computer case seller.

      Sure, there are $2,000,000 cars out there. But not many people buy them. As there may be no value proposition for them.

      They stated "tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent." Lots of case makers choose to serve a niche, maybe to avoid being dislodged by high volume offshore manufacturers. Maybe because not everybody needs to be the next Dell. There are many factors of course, but they told you a major one, are you calling that a lie?

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    18. Re:Look at all these jobs... by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Don't forget to read the article before linking next time. Or geeze, at least scan it.

      First, it was actually talking about the ratio of employees directly manufacturing something to the number of office workers at the same company.

      Second, the source was studies of Intel, in the Portland, OR metro region.

      And it is true; manufacturing jobs at Intel in Beavertron are directly connected to non-manufacturing staffing levels at related facilities, and that includes a lot of contractors who technically have a different employer, but whose jobs are still tied to the Intel facilities.

      However, that does not add up to any sort of argument that adding workers at a commodity manufacturer would cause more jobs to be created. Commodities don't have the same sort of sales, management, and R&D support that an electronics hardware company has. Obviously.

    19. Re: Look at all these jobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      American companies that sell overpriced shit deserve to die. Trump's idea of Make American Great Again has nothing to do with what you're saying.

      Since you love globalization so much, get ready for the Chinese-made home appliances that have American brand names. Those things are not made in the U.S.A., have high prices, and have typical Chinese quality: shit. GE's appliances, before they got out of the market, were shit probably due to Neutron Jack's idiotic legacy at the company. One look at GE tells you all you need to know about how sustainable the way things were (offshoring everything to China and India, neverending layoffs, massive financial engineering to guarantee massive bonuses for executives who hollowed out the company.) GE is a joke and shareholders (which include many non-GE workers' pensions) and GE employees (not GE executives) have paid the price for it.

      The proper way of doing things for American companies is to charge a higher price to reflect the higher costs of living in the U.S. and a living wage to the workers while delivering a good or better product. The Leatherman tools that are made in the U.S.A. are a good example of this (their Chinese-made line is shit) and Sears' Craftsman brand of tools used to be a good example of this, too.

    20. Re:Look at all these jobs... by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, because since Harley-Davidson is not a commodity product, but actually a premium product whose sales are based on the brand, it will more closely match Intel, the manufacturer in the cited study. Steel manufacturers don't produce all those extra jobs, it is a much lower number because the products are all fungible with low margins.

      So 1000 direct jobs lost manufacturing a brand-driven product would cause many more losses, probably over 4000 total, but adding 1000 steel manufacturing jobs would only increase the total workforce by maybe 1200-1500 jobs.

    21. Re: Look at all these jobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Niche business blames someone besides their own short visioned model as the reason they went out of business? How novel of them! Of course this is the truth. 100%. How foolish we are of doubting them. There's no way they could lie, especially with the convenient political spin put to it all.

    22. Re: Look at all these jobs... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      He also drove a company that is literally synonymous with America-Harley Davidson-to start producing overseas and is now calling for a boycott as well. An American president is calling for a boycott of a flagship American brand.....

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    23. Re: Look at all these jobs... by Tough+Love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No... they were screwed, not by the tariffs but by an extremely weak and conditional business model.

      I will quote exactly, again. "The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent." But you are smarter than they are so you know they didn't say what they actually meant, right? Just trying to follow your tortured logic.

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    24. Re: Look at all these jobs... by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why is it OK for the EU to impose 6% tariffs on US car imports but the US can only impose 4% tariffs on car exports to the EU?

      You do know that there's a 25% import duty on light trucks, do you not? Oh, wait, you probably don't know, because Fox Propaganda didn't see fit to tell you.

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    25. Re: Look at all these jobs... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep. Not very friendly at all. Imagine how much bigger it could be if the State was business-friendly? Many companies stay in spite of the business climate, because other intangibles are beneficial (like climate, for example).

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  2. Re:Time to double down...Mr. President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or, if China has such massive control over manufacturing that tarrifs on sheet metal kill companies, maybe it makes sense to boost the supply on our side?

  3. Not *just* due to tariffs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    FT company website:

    "We are very sad to announce that CaseLabs and its parent company will be closing permanently. We have been forced into bankruptcy and liquidation. The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80% (partly due to associated shortages), which cut deeply into our margins. The default of a large account added greatly to the problem. It hit us at the worst possible time. We reached out for a possible deal that would allow us to continue on and persevere through these difficult times, but in the end, it didn’t happen.

    1. Re:Not *just* due to tariffs by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      In other words a bad thing that they could normally have survived happened, but due to the tariffs on top they went bankrupt.

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  4. Can Someone Explain? by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Interesting

    U.S.-based PC case manufacturer

    The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages)

    Can someone explain? The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products. And as for shortages, a PC case manufacturer needs thin sheet steel, paint, plastic, and LEDs. Don't tell me you cannot get sheet steel in America any longer? Also, the margins on cases should be astronomical, 5 lbs of steel and a few LEDs, an ounce of black paint and a few plastic parts probably take 5-8 dollars in material costs. The only problem in the industree should be that China can make them cheaper which can be solved with the appropriate tariffs.

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    1. Re:Can Someone Explain? by narcc · · Score: 5, Informative

      The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products.

      In the same way that killing everyone smarter than you will make you the smartest person in the world.

      Tariffs don't make US products cheaper, they make foreign products more expensive.

    2. Re:Can Someone Explain? by bartwol · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1) Tariffs don't make American products cheaper...they make foreign products more costly (by adding taxes at import time).
      2) Yes, you _can_ get all those materials (steel, paint, plastic, LEDs) in the U.S., but at least some of them are available at a substantially lower cost from other countries (e.g. steel from China).
      3) The margins on almost all competitive consumer products in the U.S., including computer cases, are VERY thin no matter what kind of optimizations you try to make to the production process. That's what competitive markets do...offer consumers a variety of prices, qualities and relative values. Consumers pick their preferences, and all other things being equal (e.g. relatively similar computer cases), consumers will typically select the lower priced one.

      The short term effect of increased tariffs will be increased prices for the same goods you bought cheaper before the tariffs. The political and longer term effects are more uncertain, especially when you factor in the possibility that unfair players (like China with respect to intellectual property violations and government subsidies) will also hurt in the short run, and may improve their behaviors in the longer run. But you won't find many consumers who will prefer the fairly certain near-term increase in sticker prices [dripping with understatement].

    3. Re:Can Someone Explain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, amazing how many people don't get this.

      Local steel is $100, import is $80.

      Add tariffs...

      Local steel is $100, import is $120.

      You now buy the 'cheaper' local steel, meaning your production costs go up, leading to fewer sales; thus you close down and so do the steel makers. Good job, idiots.

      We figured this crap out in the 70's, just shows there are plenty of slow learners out there.

    4. Re:Can Someone Explain? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Also consider that the other countries are putting selective tariffs in place, targeting industries in specific states and districts, with an eye towards giving GOP lawmakers, who have thus far been largely unwilling to intervene in the trade wars, as much grief as possible.

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    5. Re: Can Someone Explain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The 70s... you mean the decade when American heavy industry was gutted and the working class standard of living began its steep decline?

    6. Re:Can Someone Explain? by pesho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      U.S.-based PC case manufacturer

      The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages)

      Can someone explain? The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products.

      That seems to be the case if you don't think about it. As several comments pointed out tariffs are not making American products cheaper, they are making imports more expensive. By implementing tariffs you are chocking the supply, which allows the local suppliers to raise their prices. So instead of lowering the cost of American products, you are actually increasing it. This is econ 101 stuff.

      You can argue that this would incentivize US steel producers to open new plants and boost output. This is not happening (only one manufacturer activated a single furnace they already had) for several reason. Building a steel plant is a major investment that can only be justified if there is a long term strong demand. The plant also cannot stand on its own - you need supply of ore, coke (the fuel not the drink), qualified workforce, transport infrastructure, etc. As things stand now, none of these is in place and the potential clients are going out of business. So no, nobody is going to build a new steel plant anytime soon. Even if production ramps up, volume is not the only problem. There are a number of varieties of steel that are used in US. The user base for some of them does not justify production for the local market. These varieties become viable only of you have access to the world market, which you don't thanks to the tariffs

      The tariffs ignore the basic fact that in the 21st century the world economy is highly integrated. US may not produce much steel, but has a large number of thriving businesses that consume steel and other metals to make more lucrative products. Think cars and airplanes. If you are one of those manufacturers, your product now costs more to build and thanks to the retaliatory tariffs cost even more to export. To sell products that use steel outside of US you now need to move production abroad (that's what Harley Davidson is doing). Your alternative is to sell only to US customers. Either way you will employ fewer people in US. If you notice I am not even touching the effect retaliatory tariffs have on unrelated businesses such as farming. Taken together, in a futile attempt to protect a minor set of companies, the tariffs are destroying a large chunk of the economy.

    7. Re:Can Someone Explain? by scubamage · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're forgetting one thing in your example - if foreign steel goes up to $120, that means there is now a massive run for domestic steel. That means domestic steel prices skyrocket due to demand - this is basic supply/demand curve stuff from economics class. So, the price will rise to that of the foreign steel, or even higher. So, if you make finished steel goods, no matter what, you pay a much higher price, and domestic companies get screwed.

    8. Re:Can Someone Explain? by loonycyborg · · Score: 2

      Also domestic output might not be high enough and everyone will have to pay 120$ and import anyway before domestic producers have time scale up.

    9. Re: Can Someone Explain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was caused by public policy. It was not fixed, not was any serious attempt made to fix it. Under Bushbama rate of decline in working class living standards increased substantially.

      President Trump is trying to end this 40+ year economic catastrophe by changing the public policies that caused it. He is being opposed at every turn by the oligarchy and their running dogs.

    10. Re:Can Someone Explain? by gordguide · · Score: 3, Informative

      U.S.-based PC case manufacturer

      The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages)

      Can someone explain? The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products. And as for shortages, a PC case manufacturer needs thin sheet steel, paint, plastic, and LEDs. Don't tell me you cannot get sheet steel in America any longer? Also, the margins on cases should be astronomical, 5 lbs of steel and a few LEDs, an ounce of black paint and a few plastic parts probably take 5-8 dollars in material costs. The only problem in the industry should be that China can make them cheaper which can be solved with the appropriate tariffs.

      Probably the effect of the tariffs being "recent".

      This causes disruption in the supply chain, as any predictable price adjustment would. What importers do is make large orders based on expected mid-term demand, in contrast to their usual (what business school teaches these days) on-demand or "just-in-time" parts inventory practice. This can stress the financials of the importer, as they have new, unplanned costs (large order financing, new inventory & storage costs, delayed return on investment ... parts will be in inventory, paid for, for a longer period of time before they can recover the cost through sales, versus "normal" import volumes ).

      Or Not. It may also be that downstream wholesale buyers will have upped their orders from the importer, eliminating the long term storage and cost recovery period issues but possibly causing shortages (cannot fill all orders completely) amongst businesses that are ultimately competitors. Prices may rise (as they always do to reflect higher demand than supply) out of proportion to the increased import cost. If you have unfilled orders and the price of a part in shortage has risen 400% (even though the tariff might have only increased cost to the importer by 10%) ... what do you do? Allow the buyer to cancel the order and hit your annual bottom line, or pay the 400% and ship the product, possibly at a loss, to keep people working and customers happy?

      I would imaging the parts the OP's firm is referring to as increasing product cost would be power supplies typically included with case orders. (Just a guess, I've never looked at their site but if they don't offer PS upgrades, maybe they did deserve to go bankrupt, or at least should have read a book on marketing and business theory). Maybe they also included the option to add things like HDDs or SSDs at competitive prices, which would be dangerously narrow margins.

      Regardless, those are all items not manufactured in the USA, so would have to be imported from somewhere; typically Asia as the costs to fill a Bill Of Materials (BoM) for electronics in Asia is significantly lower than in North America. It's even cheaper to buy electronic components in Australia than North America due to it's proximity to the manufacturing sites, not all of which are in China.

      Oz (and New Zealand) have surprisingly robust electronics manufacturing industries, despite their first-world economies and small population sizes. Compare that with Mexico, which has comparable labour costs to China ... where is the cheap electronics assembly industry there? Doesn't exist at anywhere near the scale of Asia so obviously there are factors other than labour costs at play in that industry.

      There are lots of challenges when a disruptive element enters business planning. Some of it is unpredictable and some of it carries unintended consequences. This is always the case, there is nothing particularly unique about new tariffs on Chinese manufactured goods in that respect. One day we can expect the tariffs will fall or be eliminated (either that, or there is a Hidden Agenda since tariff reduction is the carrot dangled to China should it change wha

    11. Re: Can Someone Explain? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      President Trump is trying to end this 40+ year economic catastrophe by changing the public policies that caused it.

      Everything he's done so far has actually destroyed jobs. Tell us again how that's going to solve the problem.

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  5. Blame the business owner, not the tariffs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages)

    The ten percent aluminum tariff causes prices to spike eighty percent? Sounds like CaseLabs' suppliers ripped them off.

    The default of a large account added greatly to the problem... We reached out for a possible deal that would allow us to continue on and persevere through these difficult times, but in the end, it didn't happen.

    So, CaseLabs got ripped off by a client. This was a business failure, not a tariff problem. That's confirmed by the company's failure to secure financing to continue: even the bank knew that the owners sucked at running a business.

    They made overpriced cases (seriously, $600 for a case?) and ran their business badly. They failed.

    1. Re:Blame the business owner, not the tariffs. by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's likely suppliers are ripping everyone off. They'll bump up prices to just south of what the tariffs are pricing foreign imports at, simply because the government has picked them as the winners. You don't actually think that suppliers are nice guys who actually want to help out their fellow American businesses, do you?

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    2. Re:Blame the business owner, not the tariffs. by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They made overpriced cases (seriously, $600 for a case?) and ran their business badly. They failed.

          You left out the last step: Then they blamed it on Trump.

  6. It's bias in the media by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    China and the US are currently engaged in a trade war, causing many U.S. companies to lose money, lay off employees, or close entirely.

    The way the media portrays it:

    If a trade policy is implemented by a Democrat:

    • Open trade is good for the economy.
    • Tariffs protect American jobs by preventing them from being sent overseas.

    If a trade policy is implemented by a Republican:

    • Open trade causes American jobs to be sent overseas.
    • Tariffs cost American jobs by stifling the economy.

    The reality is that both are true. The press just likes to spin it in favor of or against the party in power.

    • Open trade causes American jobs to be sent overseas (assuming there are foreign countries with a lower standard of living than the U.S., which means they have lower labor costs). But the increased economic activity due to imported goods being cheaper than domestic goods results in a net boost to the domestic economy and the standard of living in the U.S.
    • Trade tariffs protect American jobs from being sent overseas. But do so by increasing the price of goods sold in the U.S., resulting in a net decrease to the domestic economy and the standard of living.

    The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products

    Nope. They're designed to help American manufacturing by making foreign products more expensive than American products. That is, they protect American jobs, but do so by making the products you buy more expensive.

    That's why I generally fall on the pro-open trade side of this. It's a Prisoner's dilemma situation, where if one side implements tariffs, they get a better result than open trade, while the other side gets the worst possible result. But if both sides implement tariffs, they both end up worse off than with open trade. The best solution for both sides overall is open trade.

    Trump's rationale (which I partly agree with but mostly don't) is that China has been abusing our policy of open import of Chinese goods by restricting export of American goods to China and/or subsidizing some of their goods which the U.S. imports which artificially kills off U.S. producers, thus giving China the advantage in the Prisoner's dilemma (and puts the U.S. at a disadvantage). The best solution found thus far to the iterated Prisoner's dilemma is the tit for tat strategy. If one side abuses the Prisoner's dilemma, the other side abuses it right back thus signaling that it won't take such abuse lying down. And eventually the side which started the abuse backs down, and the other side also backs down, reverting both sides to the best possible strategy for both (in this case, open trade).

    1. Re: It's bias in the media by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2

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      Economics is a soft 'science', like sociology.

  7. On the subject of steel by quonset · · Score: 5, Informative

    One thing everyone here is missing is that U.S. Steel and Nucor Steel have been fighting every single exemption request companies have put forth to the U.S. Commerce Department. These companies want exemptions from the tariffs so they can continue to get steel at reasonable prices and/or quality and type they need.

    Instead, the two largest producers of steel in the country have raised their prices and told the Commerce Department the exemptions are bogus because they can make the product, even though in at least one case, a company stopped buying steel from U.S. Steel because of quality control issues.

    Of course politics plays a big role in all this:

    Charlotte-based Nucor, which financed a documentary film made by a top trade adviser to Mr. Trump, and Pittsburgh-based United States Steel, which has previously employed several top administration officials, have objected to 1,600 exemption requests filed with the Commerce Department over the past several months.

    To date, their efforts have never failed, resulting in denials for companies that are based in the United States but rely on imported pipes, screws, wire and other foreign steel products for their supply chains.

    In one case, a company stated “the sole U.S. producer of high speed steel material appropriate for cutting tools is not currently ramping up any production to expand this aspect of their business and has not shown any interest in quoting new business.”

    As the tariffs take hold, expect prices of finished goods to rise substantially and more businesses to either go under or relocate out of the country. The largest nail manufacturer in the country has already laid off 12% of its workforce, cut hours for the remainder and is still on the brink of extinction, so it has to make such a decision.

  8. As predicted by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am I the only one who's exhausted by all this winning?

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  9. Re:We aren't by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if we are going to correct the trade imbalances

    Tip: We aren't.

    Indeed. The root problem is that America consumes too much and invests too little. Tariffs will not change this, and by lowering wages and raising prices, make it even harder.

    Fewer Americans will design smart phones. More will sew t-shirts.

    But Donald Trump has made one change to America that may have long term positive effects: He has turned many liberals into champions of free trade.

  10. Re:We aren't by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the shift of the world using the USD as the primary means of exchange to something else, like Keynes' Bancor or something similar. China has been calling for this for nearly a decade.

    https://www.bis.org/review/r09...

    At the end of the day, the problem is Congress. They have known for nearly 10 years China was going to pull the plug. This is the price we pay.

    As well, I'm always amazed at people who say trade imbalances don't matter. Don't you study history? This is what World War II was about! What did they discuss when the UN was founded? Trade imbalances! They discussed nothing else of significance.

  11. Re:Slashdot Trump Hate Article #23508723579 by apoc.famine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And this is where I'm just at a loss.

    I'm a white male who grew up in the country hunting, fishing and driving pickups and working on farms, who's now upper middle class and headed into middle age. About to move into the suburbs.

    I'm pretty much someone who should absolutely be a core republican voter. (Save for a little too much education.) Yet here I sit, repulsed at what the republican party has become. They lost me. For the entire rest of my life. Until everyone who was complicit in the last decade of cynical depravity by the republicans and their spawn has left the party, fuck 'em.

    Now that my grandmother has passed, I'm never voting for another republican the rest of my life. The options are democrats or hopefully someone sensible. I just don't understand how a party could draw a hard social line that they know is going to alienate marginal voters for a generation. It's madness.

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  12. The rolled-steel thin edge of the wedge by rho · · Score: 2

    I grew up in a time when knowing something about computer cases meant something. Machine tooling was expensive, so knowing the difference between one case that had been designed by a machining efficiency expert and another that had been designed by a wizened system builder was worth a 100-150% markup. Cheap cases were notable for having a layout where the motherboard was screwed down so far from the 5 1/4" bays that your leads from your cheap power supply wouldn't reach your floppy drive.

    Computer cases have since become some kind of wealth signal for the PC builder prosperity gospelists. If you accept the desktop PC into your heart, you too can have an RGB-LED double aluminum liquid-cooled heaven right now on your fold-out table.

    Incontrovertible fact #1: all PRs hide the chewy center. The default of a large account added greatly to the problem is the chewy center. Every business is accountable to its shareholders. If CaseLabs went out of business because they lost a primary account, they will definitely blame anything but that fact. That's why they are pointing to tariffs, which they have no control over, as a primary cause, rather than the possibility that they have been price raping a major client, who may have hired somebody who said "why the f-ck are you buying $400 cases?".

    Incontrovertible fact #2: US companies that arbitrage Chinese trade markets are rent-seekers. They could employ 1,000 minimum wage+ employees, but they are not what you'd call "domestic industry". China knows quite well what industry looks like. That's why everything is built in China.

    Incontrovertible fact #3: In the modern world, a Chinese child laborer who hand-solders an Arduino board has more skills than a union worker who ensures the "Made in the USA" sticker was applied correctly. If you're a producer, and you have no control over your production chain, you're a marketer.

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