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Chromebooks May Get Apple Boot Camp-Like Windows 10 Dual Boot With 'Campfire' (xda-developers.com)
Google is reportedly working on a secret project to get Windows 10 running on Chromebooks. XDA Developers' Kieran Miyamoto reports on the latest developments surrounding "Campfire" -- the Chromebook equivalent of Apple's Boot Camp. From the report: Earlier this year, a mysterious project appeared on the Chromium Git. The Chrome OS developers had created a new firmware branch of the Google Pixelbook called eve-campfire and were working on a new "Alt OS mode" for this branch. We have since confirmed this Alt OS refers to Microsoft Windows 10 and found evidence that it wasn't just an internal project but intended for public release.
The developers have reworked the way in which they distribute updates to a rarely-used section of ROM on Chromebooks called RW_LEGACY. The RW_LEGACY section on a Chromebook's ROM traditionally gives users the ability to dual-boot into an alternative OS, but it is something of an afterthought during production and the section is rarely updated after a device leaves the factory. Now, with Campfire, Google will push signed updates to RW_LEGACY via the regular auto-update process, so firmware flashing won't be a concern for Joe Public. A recent commit for enabling Alt OS through crosh with a simple [alt_os enable] command indicates that it will be a fairly easy setup process from the user's end too. We may expect to see the first demo of "Campfire" at Google's upcoming Pixel 3 launch event in October. Also, the report notes that the Google Pixelbook won't be the only Chromebook with Campfire support, citing "mentions of multiple 'campfire variants.'"
The developers have reworked the way in which they distribute updates to a rarely-used section of ROM on Chromebooks called RW_LEGACY. The RW_LEGACY section on a Chromebook's ROM traditionally gives users the ability to dual-boot into an alternative OS, but it is something of an afterthought during production and the section is rarely updated after a device leaves the factory. Now, with Campfire, Google will push signed updates to RW_LEGACY via the regular auto-update process, so firmware flashing won't be a concern for Joe Public. A recent commit for enabling Alt OS through crosh with a simple [alt_os enable] command indicates that it will be a fairly easy setup process from the user's end too. We may expect to see the first demo of "Campfire" at Google's upcoming Pixel 3 launch event in October. Also, the report notes that the Google Pixelbook won't be the only Chromebook with Campfire support, citing "mentions of multiple 'campfire variants.'"
Despite the haters. Mac and Chromeos bend over backwards to accommodate Windows and you do not see much effort in reverse.
It's the new thing, run Windows under Linux. Linux GPU virtualization is even good enough now to run AAA games in a VM. For most of what you do... browsing, social networking, viewing media, the experience is better under Linux now than Windows (e.g., you will never get an upgrade nag while watching a movie.) Not to mention Microsoft won't be spying on most of what you do, except of course for what runs in the VM. You want that to be less every month.
Dual boot is out, sandboxing Windows is in.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
As if Chromebooks were not useless enough already, adding Windows 10 will make them 100000 times worse!!!
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did google ever get the chrome-os to run android apps like they said they would? i considered buying a chromebook on sale recently but i want to know if i can run android apps on it, mostly sdrtouch and utilize the sdrplay device driver for my SDR receiver, i have an rtl-sdr but the sdrplay is a much better receiver that makes the rtl-sdr look like a cheap knockoff sdr
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Why do you even need a program like campfire to run Windows on a Chromebook?
Because Google needs somewhere to install their spyware.
I was hoping my fellow computer scientists would have learned that just because we have the ability to do something doesn't mean that we should do it. HA! I'm just kidding, fuck it, let's put internet in some more shit! ;)
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On at least one model of Chromebook you can load Libreboot and eliminate the risk of accidentally wiping out your Linux install. But it would be nice to be able to keep ChromeOS for those times when you want to interact with Google, and have a Linux install next to it which is completely free of them, and have it stay there like a good install should. I am not even slightly interested on running Windows 10 on the bare metal, like many other commenters in this discussion.
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As much as they keep saying how much better than Apple they are, they still copy apple.
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If you want to know what hell is like, run Windows 10 on a celeron N4xxx or N3xxx CPU. They do sell these, mostly HP 15-series laptops btw so I know firsthand. That's the chip of choice for almost all chromebooks then you add the pathetically underperforming 32GB flash storage device (SSD is far too generous of a title) and 4GB of RAM and it take about 4 minutes to fully load and open and render one page in any web browser.
When they first came out they came with Linux and they were an absolute revelation. Small fast and perfect for mobile computing for people who weren't tied down to the Windows ecosystem. Then Microsoft leveraged their ability to charge whatever they wanted for Windows licenses to "encourage" vendors to dump Linux and ship a handicapped version of Windows instead. Once that handicapped version of Windows became standard, Microsoft started dictating hardware specifications and as a result we were stuck with shitty atom processors, tiny amounts of ram, and tiny hard drives for many more years than necessary going with the pace of technology. NetBooks went from being a great mobile PC option into just a shitty small laptop that you bought for your kid to wreck.
I thought just started it’s big push for Chromebooks hoping for same success with consumers as education. Now it works on a duel boot of Windows? Given the hardware most Chromebooks run, Windows 10 won’t run well on a lot of them. Not going to buy a pixel Chromebook to run Windows on it.
Chromebooks have been able to run Windows for a few years now, thanks to the chrultrabook crew. Google provided some assistance in the project, asking the developers to attend some of its internal conferences and lending them a Pixel 2 for a while (which turned out to have damaged audio hardware, making that a complete waste of time). Unfortunately, those same developers decided that newer Chromebooks are no longer worth supporting, due to undersized/underpowered non-replaceable components. (The good ones used to have M.2 slots. They don't anymore.) Thus, the project has pretty much closed shop.
If someone else is going to take up the reins, that's great. The Libreboot people declined to take it over, so I'm glad someone is interested.
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Would have been a more suitable name.
Most aren't aware, but Apple invented dual-booting, emulators and virtual machines. Apple released these features soon after Steve Jobs invented the computer mouse.
> Will KVM work with Intel CPUs that lack VT-d?
"KVM" is often used to mean "qemu on top of KVM". Virt-manager actually calls qemu. Qemu internally uses KVM of it's available. Qemu runs fine without any CPU support for virtualization. I'd guesstimate maybe 10% slower than native if you use the right flags.
KVM itself uses VT-d, but that's not a big deal for light usage
There are a number of options you can use to optimize performance. For example, use -cpu host to set the right CPU type. If you don't, you could end up emulating a generic (old) x86, when you'd be a lot better off with -cpu core2duo or whatever is appropriate.
It's been reported that Chromebooks should run Android apps, though I've seen reports suggesting not all Android Play Store apps run. As suggested above, they should run. To ensure they run, Chromebooks should be able to run current and future versions of Android OS. Would they duel boot or just have a second processor (a Snapdragon) just for Android?
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I loved the days when you didn't need special permission to run any OS you wanted.
I'd prefer hackintoshing a chromebook vs windows bullshit.
what's the fucking point of a chromebook running windows? (we already have plenty of shitty hardware running that shitty software to choose from.) now if they made it easy to install a real linux without yelling at the user every boot to click that the system was insecure and needed to be factory reset to the original os; that would be a good thing :-)
You can install malware on just about anything.
That's the thing I can't figure out. Otherwise I'd do it.
If they want Windows 10 to perform well, then they need to beef up the hardware, which means increasing costs until they match the Windows laptops. Why then should anyone run a Chromebook?
For Chromebooks to be relevant, they need that price advantage. What this new development means to me is that Google doesn't think the OS can stand on its own and they need to make Windows an option to make a purchase appealing enough for the undecided. I don't know if that's the message they're trying to communicate, but it sure is the message they're sending.
I bought a Chromebook to ditch Winblows not dual boot it. If Google pushes this forward too far with Chromebooks, then I guess I'll pay more to switch to Apple to escape "Googlesoft" crap.
Now Windows should have an installer for Mac OS/Chrome OS called FireBoot.
Get it?
BootCamp
CampFire
FireBoot