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The Ampex Sign Is Coming Down (fastcompany.com)

harrymcc writes: If you ever watched anything on videotape, you have Silicon Valley pioneer Ampex -- which invented the technology -- to thank. And for years, the company's vintage sign has stood alongside Highway 101 as a tribute to its historical significance. But Stanford University, which owns the land the sign sits on, is in the process of dismantling it -- an act which Redwood City could have prevented but didn't. I wrote about this dismaying example of cultural shortsightedness at Fast Company.

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  1. Cultural shortsightedness by hackertourist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is a vast overestimate of the sign's importance. It's nothing more than a bloody advertisement, and we need fewer ads in our life, not more.

    1. Re: Cultural shortsightedness by Nidi62 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are far more important landmarks that have been destroyed. For over a century, many statues in the Southern United States honoured soldiers who served the Confederate States of America in the Civil War and the Confederate leaders. SJWs got butthurt and destroyed part of our American cultural heritage. We lost far more with the destruction of those statues and desecrated memorials to those soldiers, yet people seem okay with it. This is just a damn sign. It pales in comparison to the statues. Who cares?

      Weren't a lot of those statues actually put up in the 40s, 50s, or 60s? Hell, Stone Mountain in Georgia wasn't even completed until 1972! What was the big thing going on around then? Oh, yeah, the Civil Rights Movement. I'm all for statues honoring war dead, but those memorials don't need to be scattered all over the place; they should be in museums, Confederate cemeteries, or parks specifically for the purpose of Civil War remembrance (like Stone Mountain or battlefields). And I say this as a born and bred Southerner that has a history degree and even worked in a Civil War museum. This modern obsession with the Confederacy has gotten out of hand and is all driven by politics.

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    2. Re: Cultural shortsightedness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Those traitors, who fought to preserve slavery, deserve a different kind of monument.

      Take down the confederate statues. Grind them to powder. Mix them into porcelain.

      And make confederate traitor monument toilets of them, to be placed in public rest areas throughout the country, for Americans to properly celebrate their legacy by shitting on them.

      This sign marked human progress. Those statues mark the worst of humanity.

    3. Re: Cultural shortsightedness by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      There was a lot of lies that Southerners told themselves over time and taught their children as well. Many of them honestly think the war was about preserving a way of life and that the confederate flag is about "heritage". And they taught themselves to look the other way when someone is beaten or lynched, and they taught themselves to rationalize Jim Crow laws. Overall, they never really accepted that the South was in the wrong in the Civil War, to many it's a chip they've held on their shoulders for 150 years.

  2. Cutting edge by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    About 25 years ago, I worked for a radio station as a sound engineer. They used open-reel tape decks as their main recording medium, and we had loads of Ampex 456 reels in use.
    Now most tape manufacturers sold their tape on plastic reels. Ampex however used reels with aluminium flanges. Because we were always in a hurry when doing live radio, we engineers had the habit of braking the reels by hand when rewinding them. When doing that on a plastic spool, the worst that could happen was overheated fingers from the friction. On the Ampex reels however you had to beware of the 3 large holes in the flange; if you caught one of those, the aluminium would cut right through your fingers.

  3. Re:That's what it is by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People and organizations do important things all the time, much with a long range impact on the world. But for the most part it will go unnoticed and forgotten in history, say for a vague footnote in a research paper, if lucky.

    Also if you are studying the history of something you will often find, that it wasn't made in a vacuum, or out of the blue. However it was an idea built upon previous ideas from different people and organizations.

    The Ampex sign, is a local landmark. While Ampex may had done some important innovation, I wouldn't deem it historic, worthy of presentation. Landmarks change. The blue barn was just painted red, The sports stadium had changed sponsors. Just because something is well known or had done important things, doesn't mean it needs to be preserved for prosperity.

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  4. Not so fast to discard tape technology by deviated_prevert · · Score: 2
    As miniature mechanical devices advance so could the medium(s) and methods upon which information is written. Tape for audio and video recording purposes still produce the best analogue of what the sensing device sends. The truth is that microphone technology has not had major advancement because the diaphragm used to create devices like Neumann professional mics have been around for a great many years. The technology used in the production of mic diaphragms has not advanced.

    Optical sensing has advanced greatly but professional camera lens technology has not. If you really look at some of the great images taken by Ansel Adams you see the levels of resolution he used to create his photographic art, digital up until now has paled in comparison.

    In the same vein, some of the great recordings done in the in the late 1950 and early 1960 by DGG, Columbia Master Works and Phillips optical audio to film tape you see the same quality of detailed sound that is only starting to become possible now with digital recording.

    The combination of great analogue tech that is not stagnant with digital is the way forward. For instance advanced large size reflex ribbon mics with miniature electronics are just starting to happen and become affordable for the pro as are large size high density and sensitivity ccd based cameras that can take large lenses and produce close to what Ansel Adams did. Ansel was certainly not alone and owed a dept to some of the great photographers that showed the way some of whom were American. Here we can clearly see that fine grained analogue photography was starting to make leaps and bounds until the first world war really screwed up things for a while. France, England, Germany started to take the technology and keep it secretly in the military. The same bullshit happened during the second world war and during the cold war. Both advanced miniaturized audio recording technology and miniaturized high resolution camera technology has if anything been held back by war.

    The great analogue technologies which ampex helped introduce to the public, essentially during times of peace, are very important and the sign is a reminder of this fact. It should stay or at least not fade into the dust of what we perceive as progress! If the young of today and our antecedents cannot learn from the past then American society is doomed.

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    1. Re:Not so fast to discard tape technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's actually YOU that missed the point - Ampex didn't have a clue about tape recorder technology until it was able to examine tape machines brought back from Germany. The Nazis used wire recorders in the field, but it was (I think) Telefunken that designed and built large orchestra quality tape machines that the Nazis played back 24/7 over the air. An article back in the 70's examined this, and mentioned the the Allies couldn't believe that Hitler would keep orchestras playing on the air all night long. They got their answer when they captured the tape machines, and hauled them back to the US. While we were able to copy the machines, it took much longer to duplicate the tape, and until we did studios used and reused the original tape captured with those Telefunken tape machines. So it was actually war that brought tape recording into it's own, not peace.

    2. Re:Not so fast to discard tape technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The reason these things haven't advanced much is because they don't need to. Microphones have been able to capture sounds in a wider spectrum than our ears can hear, with better dynamics response too for a long time now. There is no point in recording any better because you cant hear the difference. Same for speakers, headphones, the recording media itself. A CD could already play back sounds outside of the human range of hearing back in the 80's. You don't need a better microphone.

      The same applies for lenses. You can't beat physics. There is a reason Hubble and spy satellites have such massive mirrors and lenses in them. Because if you want the crazy resolution you have to get really big. No way around it. Camera lenses haven't really improved all that much since post war for the same reason. Coatings have but not the glass. If you want more then you have to get a bigger lens and that's just how it works. Its easy to find professional photographs from the 50's on that looks just as good as any modern DSLR. The only thing that has really changed is convenience with going digital so you don't have to carry around a bunch a film rolls and wait until its developed to know if you took any worthwhile pictures.

      If we are talking about any physical medium, audio, video, still photography etc. There is a plateau in performance where you dont need to improve any more. And that plateau is how close can we get to matching the human senses? Once we have a TV that can play back video at a resolution our eyes cant discern from real, at a frame rate we can't discern from real, with a contrast ratio and color spectrum that does the same. Then there is no point in making better TVs except in getting the cost down, making it smaller, etc. Its going to be interesting with 3D graphics get to that level where the visual in a video game are indistinguishable from real life. You still have the whole problem of the interface to the game preventing perfect immersion, but who knows. Maybe by that point we will have come up with Matrix style stabby usb plugs for your head where the same is beamed right into your brain.

  5. Re:That's what it is by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    My feelings are: why can't Ampex put their advertising sign on their own building?

    Stanford shouldn't be beholden to advertise some private company for them. Surely there are better landmarks around there than a billboard.. As you said, not worthy of historical preservation. Sure, take a photo of it and put it in a film museum, but no need to keep the sign up.

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  6. Re:Landmark by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

    You can't see anything from Alabama - it's been proven by modern science. It's sort of like there not really being a South Dakota. I mean, anyone who's seen North Dakota knows you only need ONE Dakota and they made up the other one. And don't get me started on Indiana.

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  7. Re:I for one... by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    Actually I think that might make for a rather neat attraction; especially given American's historic car culture.

    I think it would be pretty neat if someone 1) bought some land in the AZ desert (affordable and the climate will keep the signs for deteriorating) 2) paved 20 or 40 miles of road thru it 3) Acquired historic signage from culturally significant organizations defunct and not 4) Made one of the GPS phone apps that reads out a little historic information about each sign when you get near it for people to download. 5) Charged a little toll to support / profit on the thing for folks that want to drive down it.

    Wish I had the capital

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  8. Re:That's what it is by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    Just what crucial information will be lost in time by the removal of this sign from the side of the 101 freeway? What important historical event are we doomed to repeat because of the removal of a corporate logo that the corporation that owns the mark doesn't even give a shit if it's there or not?

    This whole thing is a tempest in a teapot, and doesn't deserve to have anything said about it, other than it being a footnote of history - Ampex used to be here, when they did something significant in advancing the state of the art in audio and video recording technology.

    Now it's just a hunk of metal that past and present owners can't give a fuck about.

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  9. Re:That's what it is by pjwhite · · Score: 2

    I drive past this sign fairly regularly and always liked the fact that it remained the same as I remember it from when I was a kid in the 1970s driving up 101 with my family. I'll be a little bit sad that a landmark from my younger days is gone, but not heartbroken.
    What really makes me sad is the loss of Docktown Marina, on the other side of the freeway, where houseboat residents are being evicted. The Docktown Marina sign is still there, though not for long.

  10. Re:That's what it is by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    People don't care what other people care about.

    People care about what other people care about enough to PAY for.

    How much are YOU willing to pay Stanford University to keep the sign up? Do you have ANY IDEA what the cost of land in Silicon Valley is?

    The Ampex operation there is gone. The site is now one of the major multi-spcialized-clinic complexes of the Stanford Hospital. (The sleep clinic, where I had my severe sleep apnea diagnosed and treated, is one of them.) What are they expected to do if they need more room to treat more sick people?

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