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Apple's Amsterdam Store Evacuated After iPad Battery Explodes (9to5mac.com)
Slashdot readers radi0man and DeBaas report of an exploding iPad battery in Apple's Amsterdam store. DeBaas writes: An exploding iPad led to the Amsterdam Apple store being evacuated, as reported by 9to5mac and local news in dutch. The store reopened after the fire brigade ventilated the store. 9to5Mac notes that this is the third evacuation this year of an Apple store due to an exploding battery -- the other two were from iPhones. The iPad and its punctured battery were put in a container of sand after it exploded. No major injuries were reported, however, "three employees who experienced trouble breathing were treated by first responders," reports 9to5Mac.
Let the employees take the brunt of the explosion, that's what they're paid for.
Metaphorically, you mean.
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They were holding it wrong. See TSB#632748
Karma. Remember all the Apple fanboys gloating about Note 7 battery issues? Cue payback. I am not a Samsung fanboy by any means, but that performance by Apple folks was just plain galling. Samsung responded to the issue quickly and fairly, let's see what Apple does. (I'm not expecting much.)
Oh, and there were persistent reports of Apple products catching fire, even electrocuting people throughout that same period. Apple just makes me ill.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
still getting nearly all the mobile profits.
Only if you don't count the money that flows through all the levels of the Android manufacturing, distribution and aftermarket chain. When you do that, the Android economy dwarfs Apple. And you can say, the Android economy is far more beneficial to the world in general because the money gets spread around a lot more instead of being hogged by one successful (for now) monopolist. Lots of people making lots of money off Android, impossible to deny it, unless of course you happen to be an Apple apologist.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
It seems that keeping the iPads/iPhones plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, has an unexpected outcome
Oh, you mean, like all my Android devices and all my laptops. No fires so far, what's up with Apple?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
But they're Apple, they're amazing.
Samsung were evil when the same thing happened to one of their products.
Remember Apple fanboys laughing at the Samsung exploding battery fiasco. Poor Apple Fanboys.
I do, and I remember Apple thugs downmodding my critical comment just like yours. Why we hate Apple, right?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
There ya go, that's the Apple spirit we have come to know, now go straight up to Tim Cook's office so he can stick a gold star on your forehead.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You're breathing it wrong.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Everyone else in Amsterdam is lighting up, why can't the iPads get a turn.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Clearing bucket.
Have gnu, will travel.
There go all the electronic flight bags.
Have gnu, will travel.
Still way ahead of Samsung on the "exploding in inconvenient places" index...
My IOS and Mac devices stay plugged in all the time without issue either... which is worth as much as your anecdote, probably more as being a mobile developer I have several iPads and iPhones some of which are plugged in all the time.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I'm a little worried that an emergency container of sand appears to be standard equipment in an Apple store.
Wow, there are so many reports of Apple products exploding, how about this one. If Apple was an auto company there would be multiple class action suits already. Why do they get a pass?
Message to Apple employees: Do you understand that these posts you downmod remain on the internet to document your disgusting corporate culture? Fix your products.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I didn't hear about the first two. Sounds like Apple fans need to rethink their tired Samsung Note 7 jokes.
There is just muck there
Right, iMuck.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Maybe this: https://www.opensecrets.org/se...
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
As always, do not try to replace swelling batteries. Proceed as soon as possible in an Apple Store or a nearby official Apple Service Provider. how to check jio balance
This is technically your fault but the knowledge of how to keep a battery stored really matters and isn't very common knowledge. Any device with a lithium-ion battery of any kind should not be left on the charger for extended periods, like days or more. If you plan on not using the device, unplug and turn it off. The protection chip on the battery will prevent overcharging but it's a precarious situation that might cause overheating, swelling and explosions potentially the longer it's left charging. Citation and more details: https://batteryuniversity.com/...
need to be banned for sure. That's always been a good idea.
It's a numbers game. A quick search shows they've sold over one *billion* iPhones since their inception. How many have caught fire over the years? Ten, twenty? Your troll game is weak.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
How many have caught fire over the years? Ten, twenty?
I know, with plenty of customers you can afford to ignite a few right? What do you imagine would happen if this many Jeeps exploded? Exploding iPhone causes third degree burns on teen's body
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Make it a little thicker, just so the battery can release gas and bulge rather than explode.
Proceed as soon as possible in an Apple Store...
And return your product. Then buy from a company that takes safety more seriously.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You misunderstand. Misbehaving silicon is warned to mend its ways or else it'll be joining the other grains. It's rehabilitation sand.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
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Let's make like a bird... and get the flock outta here.
Right here:
And no I hate Apple as much as the next guy but battery safety, especially when technology that's known to swell/explode/flame when mishandled is more important than a grudge. Please keep blame where it needs to reside.
Most LiPo charger ICs can be set up to turn OFF once you reach full charge, and turn ON again when you drop below a set level. It your charger IC is set to always trickle charge - you're doing it wrong.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Right, and that is the responsibility of the charging logic, not the user. Notice that the article did not say "must be cut off by the user".
And no I hate Apple as much as the next guy but battery safety, especially when technology that's known to swell/explode/flame when mishandled is more important than a grudge. Please keep blame where it needs to reside.
Yes, lets. I there are issues with charge cut-off then the blame belongs with the charging logic. It's not like this is a $5 charger from Radio Shack, it has its own full blown computer. It's supposed to know how to do this right. Everybody knows that li-ion batteries can be dangerous. Gasoline is far more dangerous. How often does somebody blow themselves up pumping gas these days?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
When fully charged, the charge current must be cut off.
Which is handled by the charge controller on most devices with lithium battery chemistries...
Please keep blame where it needs to reside.
You mean with the company that used a charge controller that fails to cut off charging current properly when the battery is full? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's where the blame was placed to begin with.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
So now it's "You are using it in the wrong season!" ?
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The reason this made news is because it's so uncommon.
Read the comments, including the comments on the linked article. It's not uncommon. If these were cars blowing up then there would be $billions of product liability suits. When this happened to Samsung they fixed it. But this is Apple.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Don't be a child, you're not using it.
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Market share is much more important. It is the sole metric that determines the dominance of a platform. The platform with dominance will receive all of the user focus, developer focus and will survive in the long run. iOS devices won't exist in 10 more years whereas Android will thrive.
Apple knows this and has built its charging circuits with this in mind. When you plug in a Mac or iOS device, it will charge until full, then charging stops. Then, as long as the device is plugged in, it runs on mains power. When the battery self-discharges to 95% (after a few days), charging starts again. This means the device can be left plugged in indefinitely.
This has been common knowledge among device makers for a decade or more. Every laptop uses a variation on this scheme (and has to, because lots of laptops live their life being plugged in 95% of the time).
Does this also apply to laptops? Mine (and all the others in the office) is in the dock constantly, so can I look forward to it exploding in the future?
The iBucket full of Apple Sand, coming to a store near you.
Remember Apple fanboys laughing at the Samsung exploding battery fiasco. Poor Apple Fanboys.
One damaged iPad explosion in a shop vs hundreds of new phones catching fire in consumer's hands.
I guess Apple fanboys are still laughing.
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No but Holland doe not live in the stone age.
They don't reign over me. I've never had an iphone and don't plan to. I get my better quality Xiaomi phones direct from China and save a good bit of money.
It seems that keeping the iPads/iPhones plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, has an unexpected outcome.
That may be the case, if so someone at Apple should be fired for their shithouse battery management electronics.
Moreover we're in summer...
Summer ended 2 weeks ago. The Netherlands has gone back to it's usual chilly windy gloom.
That's a great first principles example, but phones don't have "protection chips" as much as they have very sophisticated battery management algorithms that among other things are perfectly capable of not putting charge into the battery when not needed.
Sounds like an issue with the charger if it still charges the battery, not so much the battery itself. There are plenty of batteries that are connected to a charger 24/7, yet they do not explode.
And by that I mean the charger was designed to do that, not that it are phones.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
If one in a million batteries catches fire per year that seems like a very rare, maybe acceptable risk.
- compared to the risk of _being_ killed by a firearm in the US of about 30 in a million persons per year*1
Apple sold > 200'000'000 iPhones in the last 4 quarters.(*2) So that would mean 200 exploding new iPhones per year.
The press would be all over it, so the real number and thus the risk must be waaaay lower.
Same goes for Samsung and the rest, of course. So move along, nothing to see here. But yes, it's funny that it happened in an Apple Store :)
*1 combining topics Apple and guncontrol, because fire is fun. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind...
*2 these numbers are impressive and kind of frightening. https://www.statista.com/stati...
Building codes are not universal to every locality.
Or necessarily adhered to.
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Market share is much more important. It is the sole metric that determines the dominance of a platform. The platform with dominance will receive all of the user focus, developer focus and will survive in the long run. iOS devices won't exist in 10 more years whereas Android will thrive.
That's laughable, especially considering that even Google is giving up on Android!
It seems that keeping the iPads/iPhones plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, has an unexpected outcome. Moreover we're in summer...
Funny. Apple itself uses dozens, if not hundreds, of iPads as custom machine controllers and data acquisition systems in their R&D and Testing labs. Those are plugged into power 24/7, as are iPads being used in thousands of Kiosks.
It seems that keeping the iPads/iPhones plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, has an unexpected outcome
Oh, you mean, like all my Android devices and all my laptops. No fires so far, what's up with Apple?
Lies, as usual.
Apple has no proscription against having their devices plugged into their chargers permanently.
What about new stores in old buildings? I'd suspect that Dutch buildings are older on average, especially in city centers.
Ezekiel 23:20
...to use an ipad.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
you never know which one will blow up.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
It seems that keeping the iPads/iPhones plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, has an unexpected outcome
Oh, you mean, like all my Android devices and all my laptops. No fires so far, what's up with Apple?
IPads do NOT overcharge when plugged in indefinitely:
https://discussions.apple.com/...
So, STUFF IT, Hater.
It seems that keeping the iPads/iPhones plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, has an unexpected outcome.
That may be the case, if so someone at Apple should be fired for their shithouse battery management electronics.
Moreover we're in summer...
Summer ended 2 weeks ago. The Netherlands has gone back to it's usual chilly windy gloom.
IPads do NOT overcharge when plugged in continuously.
https://discussions.apple.com/...
The battery was PUNCTURED during replacement. It's right there in TFS, idiot.
Remember Apple fanboys laughing at the Samsung exploding battery fiasco. Poor Apple Fanboys.
Go jam a screwdriver into ANY LiOn/LiPo battery and see what happens...
There ya go, that's the Apple spirit we have come to know, now go straight up to Tim Cook's office so he can stick a gold star on your forehead.
You realize that you are doing nothing but proving yourself an utter moron.
From TFS:
"The iPad and it's punctured battery..."
The reason this made news is because it's so uncommon.
Read the comments, including the comments on the linked article. It's not uncommon. If these were cars blowing up then there would be $billions of product liability suits. When this happened to Samsung they fixed it. But this is Apple.
You claim Apple supporters are Astrotufing; but you DO realize, of course, that about a THIRD of the posts in this "discussion" and from you bashing Apple, right?
And that, DESPITE the fact that TFS specifically mentioned that the battery was PUNCTURED.
You need help. Or maybe just to GTFO.
This is technically your fault but the knowledge of how to keep a battery stored really matters and isn't very common knowledge. Any device with a lithium-ion battery of any kind should not be left on the charger for extended periods, like days or more. If you plan on not using the device, unplug and turn it off. The protection chip on the battery will prevent overcharging but it's a precarious situation that might cause overheating, swelling and explosions potentially the longer it's left charging. Citation and more details: https://batteryuniversity.com/...
Apple claims iPads don't overcharge, period. I think the GP is lying.
https://discussions.apple.com/...
TFS didn't say that a puncture caused the explosion. TFS said that the iPad with the punctured battery was put in a bucket of sand AFTER it exploded. To me, this means the explosion caused the puncture, not the other way around. Having said that, since TFS did not specify, it could be either. And that is my point. IT COULD BE EITHER. Maybe a little more reading comprehension and little a less name calling.
This is technically your fault
What utter bullshit. It is the fault of Apple's engineering, that can't safely trickle charge a li-ion battery. I have lots of devices permanently sitting on chargers, everybody does. But don't do that with Apple products unless your fire insurance is all paid up. According to you.
but the knowledge of how to keep a battery stored really matters and isn't very common knowledge. Any device with a lithium-ion battery of any kind should not be left on the charger for extended periods, like days or more. If you plan on not using the device, unplug and turn it off. The protection chip on the battery will prevent overcharging but it's a precarious situation that might cause overheating, swelling and explosions potentially the longer it's left charging.
That is true if you buy from Apple, apparently.
Citation and more details: https://batteryuniversity.com/...
Your link doesn't say anything like you just claimed. Are you an Apple employee?
Bullshit:
https://discussions.apple.com/...
Most LiPo charger ICs can be set up to turn OFF once you reach full charge, and turn ON again when you drop below a set level. It your charger IC is set to always trickle charge - you're doing it wrong.
And Apple's charging circuits do exactly what you suggest:
https://discussions.apple.com/...
When fully charged, the charge current must be cut off.
Which is handled by the charge controller on most devices with lithium battery chemistries...
Please keep blame where it needs to reside.
You mean with the company that used a charge controller that fails to cut off charging current properly when the battery is full? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's where the blame was placed to begin with.
IPads Don't overcharge, period:
https://discussions.apple.com/...
But isn't the problem that while we assign nice comfortable numbers like 100% and 95% to things, batteries don't work that way. The charger firmware detects certain characteristics of the cell voltage and determines the mAh remaining based on an ongoing calibrated voltage drop curve. And I'm sure they give themselves plenty of headroom to play with so that it can "overcharge" a little bit safely when the battery is losing capacity but the firmware hasn't got a good enough reading to tell. But if you never run the battery down this curve gets further and further away from reality.
It stands to reason that eventually the charger starts to overcharge the cells without knowing that there's vastly reduced headroom.
Plus there's all sorts of problems with the way the cells are connected. Some will fail ahead of others, but the loss of performance from them is masked by the others and the charger merrily pumps current through the bad cells on the way to the good cells.
tl;dr I think a proper battery engineer would have their head in their hands at most of the comments in this thread.
Aren't they mostly banned anyway? I see signs at airports saying you must remove the batteries from "smart" suitcases, no batteries over a certain size etc.
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I think they are they taking the Samsung competition thing a little too seriously.
Back in the day laptops came with a removable battery and adequate charger. Many also came with an app that let you control the battery charging, e.g. setting "long life mode" which would maintain around 60% charge (95-100% degrades the pack much more quickly).
Nowadays you just throw the otherwise perfectly good laptop in the trash.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
On this. Part of the reason people didn't figure out their phones were being throttled tight away is that plugging in an iPhone didn't speed it up. Many phones do not have the ability to run directly on mains and route all power through the battery. They essentially can't function if the battery isn't able to feed the device enough current.
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Lmafo no, you are confusing nicad/nimh charging with lithium. Lithium based batteries work strictly on voltage. Fancier circuitry that monitors current can be used for gas gauging to give a better %remaining but this dosent affect various safety cutoffs based on voltage. The problem with leaving your lithium device of any kind plugged in is lithium batteries of all types deteriorate faster when charged or over discharged. That's why lithium batteries are often stored at a low state of charge, to prswerve thier lifetime. Additionally, the hotter they get the faster they deteriorate, there are charging and discharging thermal limits manufacturers impose for safety. So leaving the unit plugged in and running all the time, a case and or warm temps make this worse, means your battery is degrading the fastest possible while remaining within specifications. This isn't a problem with 5 or 10 devices, nor is is a problem with 500 or 1000, but when you start talking 500,000 to 1,000,000 then you hit the statistical issues of fires. The types of lithium batteries used in all products are inherently unstable, no manufacturer is going to sell a million units and get off with no issues.
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MI message caused destruction? Guessing was a display unit that might have been mishandled by staff or shop dwellers. Though could be a bad battery, not installed correctly, perhaps mischievous aliens or earthlings sabotage? Hopefully the EU authorities investigate and share more since details are limited. Hopefully diagnostic software can be developmed to help sense troubled batteries?
Actually batteries work exactly that way.
It stands to reason that eventually the charger starts to overcharge the cells without knowing that there's vastly reduced headroom.
No it doesn't. The mAh capacity of the battery has no relation at all to it's charging other than with reduced mAh capacity the same charging profile completes faster. The profile is voltage based and does not change over the life of the battery.
Plus there's all sorts of problems with the way the cells are connected. Some will fail ahead of others, but the loss of performance from them is masked by the others and the charger merrily pumps current through the bad cells on the way to the good cells.
Errr no. There's a reason why the cell includes management circuitry at the connectors, and when you use cells that don't, well that's why individual balance connects are brought out to the chargers.
tl;dr I think a proper battery engineer would have their head in their hands at most of the comments in this thread.
Yes I fully agree, but not for the same reason you think.
Electronic flight bags are what flight crews use to replace carrying all the required maps and manuals. Often implemented on iPads and similar tablets.
Have gnu, will travel.
The LiIon battery is basically a little hand grenade waiting to go off. We are packing so much energy into such small spaces that there is always a risk of releasing that energy unexpectedly. The problem is you never really know when this release might happen. Through careful manufacturing and quality control we can make such events fairly rare, but the risk will remain.
The biggest issue is we are pushing the boundaries for size and weight at a given storage capacity, making the manufacturing tolerances extremely tight and hard to maintain.
Then... There is the mishandling and abuse problem for LiIon batteries. It's almost a sure bet that abusing one of these things, by bending it, puncturing it or otherwise using it out of it's designed environmental conditions can easily set one off. And it seems that repair facilities are where this risk is greatest. If you do such work, best be prepared for this eventuality and have procedures to deal with it. Apparently Apple is doing just that.
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Ah, I learned something. Thanks.
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. . . When you do that, the Android economy dwarfs Apple. . . instead of being hogged by one successful (for now) monopolist.
I do not think that word means what you think it means basing on the rest of your paragraph. In essence youâ(TM)ve debunked yourself.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
It seems that keeping the iPads/iPhones plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, has an unexpected outcome. Moreover we're in summer...
What do the always-plugged-in devices in the consumer area have to do with those brought in for repairs?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
I think you were only seeing what you wanted to see.
"Physician, heal thyself"
Nothing in either the English linked story or the original source point to anything else besides simple battery failure.
Fighting over the semantics of 'punctured' vs 'exploded' is meaningless. Like almost every other li-ion batter 'explosion' in this case the battery didn't actually do a Hollywood explosion and fragment into a thousand pieces. It appears to have followed the same steps of almost every other li-ion battery 'explosion' and simply burst into flames when a small puncture occurred as the internal components overheated and expanded beyond the cases ability to hold them.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
You know it's possible to survive without dominant market share, right? How the fuck has the Mac been around for 24 years? It's never had more than a 15% market share. And yet, perfectly viable platform.
Somehow Linux survived the 10+ years when everyone was using other things too.
It's almost like you don't know what you are talking about.
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Are you daft?
There are literally millions of lithium-ion battery devices plugged into an electric outlet all the time, and running all the time, Apple-made or otherwise. If the charging circuit isn't a massive piece of shit, it won't be charging the battery once full. Literally every single phone, tablet, and laptop does this, and has done this forever.
And what does summer have to do with it? Do you really think that Apple stores don't have any kind of HVAC system? Really?
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They are strongly correlated to starting fires, when you're an idiot that can't be bothered to think for half a second before blurting out the first thing that comes to mind, no matter how illogical, incorrect, and ill-assumed; and then mashing the submit button.
Myself, I find that people blaming their ignorance of 30+ year old battery charging techniques that have been in use on literally every lithium battery ever in combination with "summer" as the cause of a catastrophic failure of that battery strongly correlate with shitposting and general stupidity on the Internet. I won't pretend to make a causal link though, because I just don't have the time to compile the statistics.
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DESPITE the fact that TFS specifically mentioned that the battery was PUNCTURED
Punctured by the explosion you lying Apple sack of shit. Said it before, you are a great ambassador for thug gang Apple.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
So it's happened three times (according to you, citation needed, but for the sake of argument I'll accept that) out of hundreds of stores, with hundreds of millions of devices shipped. And the iPad hasn't had a new release in over a year, which means that there's millions that have been working for a year with no problems whatsoever.
But that's all the data we have, which means no reasonable conclusions can be made. For example: in the three stores this happened in, were the idiotic glued-in batteries in the process of being removed by a service technician? Could it possibly be that using tools to try to pry a glued in soft-sided lithium cell out of a device might compromise the battery cell, causing a fire? Or that using a heat gun on a lithium battery isn't exactly the best thing to do if that battery could already be damaged and susceptible to thermal runaway?
Is Apple stupid for gluing together components that are guaranteed to need replacing at some point? You bet, and that's completely fair criticism. Gluing in the battery is just about the dumbest way they could mount it in the phone, and guarantees servicing the battery will be a huge pain in the ass, which could have been thought of a design feature inside Apple because they aren't exactly known for ease of repair and never have been outside of a few years of Power Mac G4, Power Mac G5, and Mac Pro pre-trashcan.
Is it likely that the repair procedure involves either a heat gun to soften the glue, or some kind of metal tool to pry against the adhesion? Almost assuredly - using solvents would be far more risky, and require MSDS sheet postings, etc.
Is there a defect in the product causing spontaneous fires? Not anywhere close enough information to conclude that, so stop trying to do so.
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You're a god damn idiot.
Don't you think that a service bench that deals with lithium batteries all day long, every day, might just have a fire bucket suitable for containing a lithium fire around?
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Because at best this guy is a hater that is trolling.
More likely, paid shill spewing FUD.
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I there are issues with charge cut-off then the blame belongs with the charging logic.
I somehow doubt the charging logic can do much about the situation when the battery is punctured and explodes irregardless of what the battery is connected to.
I'd suppose the charging circuit could just refuse to ever charge the battery any at all, but that would likely draw more complaints.
How often does somebody blow themselves up pumping gas these days?
Do you mean the number in total, or the number specifically when a gas tank is punctured?
Gas station fires are frequent enough. No idea on punctured tanks, they do tend to place the tanks underground to help prevent that.
I guess to be fair it seems like a gas station having a tank punctured would have a somewhat lower chance of a fire since the fuel would still need to find its way to an open flame.
High density batteries tend to pretty much always explode when punctured if they are maintaining any amount of charge.
DESPITE the fact that TFS specifically mentioned that the battery was PUNCTURED
Punctured by the explosion you lying Apple sack of shit. Said it before, you are a great ambassador for thug gang Apple.
I can't find any news report that confirms your story.
You don't know that overcharging was the cause of the fire, and neither does anyone else that hasn't been officially involved in the investigation from the fire department, the insurance company, or Apple.
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I somehow doubt the charging logic can do much about the situation when the battery is punctured and explodes
The "battery exploded because it was punctured" is a thing made up by Apple apologists, rather it seems more likely that the battery was punctured by exploding. Typical Apple to dodge responsibility for its mistakes, remember "you're holding it wrong?" Except this time, Apple runs the risk of killing people. In fact, people have actually died using Apple products. When Apple sends its astroturfers out to social networking sites to lie about punctured batteries it shows what Apple really is, a cult that will stop at nothing to hide its mistakes.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
MacRumors' reporting on the issue directly contradicts the claim that there was an explosion at all. Apparently it was just a leaky battery. The employees in the back noticed that an iPad with a punctured battery that was in the queue for repairs was leaking, they evacuated the store (which apparently caused a panic among the customers) and called the fire crew in as a precautionary measure, the fire crew aired the place out just to be safe, and less than an hour later things were back to business as usual.
They're also refuting the claim that anyone received medical treatment. As best as I can figure, it sounds as if three employees had possible respiratory issues that the medical team was able to quickly rule out with a quick check, without ever having to provide any treatment.
More recent reporting on the issue (e.g. MacRumors' reporting) suggests there wasn't a runaway thermal event of any kind involved, just leaking battery acid from a device that had been punctured and was in for repairs. Once the employees saw the leak, they treated it as the indicator for a runaway thermal event that it could have been and evacuated the store out of an abundance of caution. It turned out that nothing was wrong in the end, but the evacuation seems to have caused a panic among the customers, as well as a lot of breathless reporting in the initial news on what happened.
Thats a lot of buckets of sand required.
For you to burry your head in.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Did you also notice that this would be the third this year that has been reported in a store?
That would mean that between each incident more time passed than it took Samsung to remove the Note 7 from the market.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
There is just muck there
Right, iMuck.
No, your "brain".
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Search YouTube for videos on Apple device repair, and failed charging circuits (and power management) are among the #1 reason for repair. I'm not sure these circuits can be trusted to do their job correctly if they themselves blow up all the time.
Are you an Apple employee trying to make Apple haters look even dumber than they already are?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Oh clever little man, you posted a link that says your Apple product will just wear out if you leave it plugged in, not explode. But then, there are these exploding Apple products, which is it? Do they suck because the battery wears out when plugged in, or do they suck because they explode if left plugged in? Or both?
It would seem that A) from the news reports and B) Apple's own blogs that the answer is "both". Not like we had to ask.
Now scurry away and fix your products.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Oh clever little man, you posted a link that says your Apple product will just wear out if you leave it plugged in, not explode. But then, there are these exploding Apple products, which is it? Do they suck because the battery wears out when plugged in, or do they suck because they explode if left plugged in? Or both?
It would seem that A) from the news reports and B) Apple's own blogs that the answer is "both". Not like we had to ask.
Now scurry away and fix your products.
No. Apple's statement is that you might experience reduced battery life if you leave your product plugged-in. That's because Apple's guidelines for best-practices include a suggestion that you do at least a monthly deep-cycle discharge and recharge. That isn't Apple's suggestion; it's the battery industry's.
That's because LiOn/LiPo batteries, no matter who's device they are in, while not experiencing much "memory effect" (look it up), DO experience SOME "memory effect". This, plus the fact that the internal controller chips inside these batteries become slightly miscalibrated over time of many shallow discharges, and a deep-cycle keeps them calibrated. This is most certainly NOT an "Apple Thing:
https://www.androidcentral.com...
https://lifehacker.com/5875162...
https://www.notebookcheck.net/...
So yes, facts ARE "clever".
Now go away.
The Apple thing is, fucking up the charge control logic in the device so that batteries die sooner than they should, or even explode as we have seen on multiple occasions. If you are ok with increasing the risk of burning down your house or injuring yourself, Apple is your company. Instead of fixing their defective products we just see assholes like you denying it.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
You don't know that overcharging was not the cause of the fire, and neither does anyone else that hasn't been officially involved in the investigation from the fire department, the insurance company, or Apple.
Fixed.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
The Apple thing is, fucking up the charge control logic in the device so that batteries die sooner than they should, or even explode as we have seen on multiple occasions. If you are ok with increasing the risk of burning down your house or injuring yourself, Apple is your company. Instead of fixing their defective products we just see assholes like you denying it.
Prove it.