Australia Bans Huawei, ZTE From Supplying Technology For Its 5G Network (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Australia has blocked Huawei and ZTE from providing equipment for its 5G network, which is set to launch commercially next year. In a tweet, Huawei stated that the Australian government told the company that both it and ZTE are banned from supplying 5G technology to the country, despite Huawei's assurances that it does not pose a threat to national security. Earlier today, the Australian government issued new security guidelines for 5G carriers. Although it did not mention Huawei, ZTE or China specifically, it did strongly hint at them by stating "the Government considers that the involvement of vendors who are likely to be subject to extrajudicial directions from foreign government that conflict with Australian law, may risk failure by the carrier to adequately protect a 5G network from unauthorized access or interference." In its new security guidelines, the Australian government stated that differences in the way 5G operates compared to previous network generations introduces new risks to national security. In particular, it noted the diminishing distinctions between the core network, where more sensitive functions like access control and data routing occur, and the edge, or radios that connect customer equipment, like laptops and mobile phones, to the core. Huawei Australia said in a statement: "We have been informed by the Govt that Huawei & ZTE have been banned from providing 5G technology to Australia. This is a extremely disappointing result for consumers. Huawei is a world leader in 5G. Has safely & securely delivered wireless technology in Aust for close to 15 yrs."

Comments

Any Evidence??

[pablo_max]

I have heard a lot of people screaming about these two companies, but so far, no one has produced any evidence of wrong doing. At least not that I have read about.

Is this just cold war scaremongering or is there actually something behind it.

It seems like a political statement more than anything. Perhaps some protectionism for other network infrastructure providers. Huawei has dominated in LTE. It is actually hard to find a network configuration that is not Huawei at the moment.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

It is wise to not blindly trust a company that is based in the morally loose fascist communist country of China.

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, what is a backdoor to you? I would consider _any_ background process used for analytics to be. Two seconds on Google:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/chinese-company-installed-secret-backdoor-on-hundreds-of-thousands-of-phones/

https://thehackernews.com/2016/11/hacking-android-smartphone.html

https://www.computerworlduk.com/security/security-backdoors-that-heped-kill-faith-in-security-3634220/

Here's a really fun fact that will likely be modded down - Samsung, Apple and Google all do it too. Just today I found my s7 chewing through lte data because it was calling home to some google servers (playstore I think, or hotspot detection). Not only is cell data is _turned off_ on the phone, but neither openvpn being set to default route for all traffic, nor any public "firewall" applicaiton I could find - able to to block it. The acces was coming from a process associated with android itself.

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

There's evidence and they've been punished of wrong doing, but maybe not the kind where they'd been caught spying for China. Still, it shows a lack obidience to the laws. How much that affects the decisions, i don't know. And what else there this, that is not public information.

Australia does not have a company that does mobile networks to my knowlegde, so i don't know if protectionism is the word here. "Bird, bird, bird is the word".

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a Chinese company - that's all that you need to know.

It will do whatever the Communist Government tells it to do.

Why would ANY other country leave themselves open to access by China through a company it can tell what to do?

Re:Any Evidence??

[benjfowler]

Sounds like Russia.

NO EVIDENCE! Ree reee reeee!!

Re:Any Evidence??

[jonwil]

The problem is that the laws in China are such that at any time China could order Huawei or ZTE to use their installed gear to provide backdoors into western telecommunications networks. And if they say no all their top people will end up in the Chinese version of Federal Pound me in the A** Prison (which probably makes the US version look like a 5 star hotel) or in front of a firing squad.

The western governments don't want to allow gear into their networks that could be opened up to the Chinese government and their version of the NSA at any time because (for reasons I cant understand) they think the Chinese care about what us Aussies are doing on our phones (anyone sending anything classified, sensitive, commercially valuable or otherwise worth stealing is going to be encrypting it or not using public 5G networks at all so I dont get what the Chinese are supposedly going to be able to steal if they have these backdoors)

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

I think if Snowden taught us anything, it is that a government will do whatever espionage it can for as long as it thinks it can get away with it regardless of legality or cost.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Nadir]

As opposed to the morally loose fascist country of the United States of America.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

American companies arenâ(TM)t partly owned by the government. Feel free to let China take over your nation though. EVERYTHING they do is about gaining control of other countries.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

Unlike USA who orders companies to do the same? Tapped into fibre networks without asking? Spy's on people etc oh wait

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

Arguing what-about-ism is not going to stop the Ching Chongâ(TM)s from data collection and misuse. The Chinese are already infiltrating Australiaâ(TM)s government and economy and allowing them to continue controlling data systems is a bad idea. Australian protectionism needs to step up and this is a valid move in that direction.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

Unlike USA who orders companies to do the same? Tapped into fibre networks without asking? Spy's on people etc oh wait

You seem to be under the impression the US is not barred from other countries as well. It's spying, that is what countries do to each other. Until fairly recently it was not used en masse. What we have now is are views that were traditionally held by eastern countries. now being applied here. Blame immigration.

It's not accepted, never was. The irony is they understand what foreign influence does to their country more then the liberal douchebags we had in power. The ability to spy completely from remote and more importantly, offload that to _domestic_ companies (look at you Amazon, Google, Microsoft..) - is childs play compared to even 20 years ago. Sure your TV was bugged, bug it didn't have real time communication back to China. Today it does.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

The competitors to Huawei and ZTE in mobile network equipment are all based in Europe.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

So your whataboutism really suports the argument to not use Chinese core products

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

Along with all the other replies that is above me, Hauwei was also caught manufacturing bootleg Cisco equipment and selling them as genuine items. https://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/07/210226/chinese-man-gets-30-months-for-fake-cisco-sales

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem is that the laws in China are such that at any time China could order Huawei or ZTE to use their installed gear to provide backdoors into western telecommunications networks.

Bah, the fucking PATRIOT Act allows the same goddamned thing.

So why would anybody else in the world trust US technology any more than Chinese technology?

Are we supposed to take on faith that America aren't assholes? Because I see no reason to believe that.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Austerity Empowers]

I am very certain that the USA does do this. So you have to decide who you want to spy on you, or roll your own (in which case, you will certainly add your own backdoors!).

I would rather be spied on by Europe/Australia than China, if anything Europe stays closer to their ideology and would make a good watchdog. China pretty much wants the same evil they do in their own country.

I think it's clear nobody wants to be spied on by Russia.

Re:Any Evidence??

[thegarbz]

It seems like a political statement more than anything.

This is the same political statement Australia has been sending out for the past 20 years:
"We are the 51st State of America and the Feds told us to do something."

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

American companies arenÃ(TM)t partly owned by the government.

Correct. Here in the United States, the government is owned by the American companies.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

As opposed to the morally loose fascist country of the United States of America.

Not exactly. The USA is more of a "bait-n-bristle" type of country.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

If you take a Huawei phone like I have here, and post a comment about the Terrorist people of Western China, then you will notice that the autocorrect keeps trying to change the word "Terrorist" to "Terrorist". That is evidence that China is in control of your Huawei smartphone and is probably listening in to your filthy capitalist conversations 24/7.

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anne Thwacks]

And the Chinese government categorically refuses to accept the Australian edict that Pi = 3.000 despite the proclamation by the Aussie prime minister. Surely the Chinese can understand that Aussie law supersedes the laws of Maths. It is a simple matter of sovereignty.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Megol]

â(TM)idiotâ(TM).

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

It's too difficult to manufacture evidence for this, so for now they just settle with accusations, happily knowing that whatever they make up and vomit at the population, they will happily lap it up and take it as truth. Unfortunately.

Re: Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

*state capitalist, not communist yet.

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

So, this means there actually isn't any evidence, and it is purely speculative?

I imagine firmware/OS updates are the problem and that the source isn't open so can't be checked - or something like that? ...or perhaps they just can't be bothered to check in the first place.

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

Because We believe that your genocides are an accident while the Chinese are deliberate https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-45147972.
They rally their people to be ethnicity snitches all with an easy to use almost mandatory smartphone app. They put everybody in "re-education camps"
from which the victims never ever come back, forced mixed marriages, they actually dropped a nuke on them (lop nur) ... And we keep silent ...
for scare of the behemoth that China is once more and to keep our cheap-ass toys. It's disgusting !!!

Re:Any Evidence??

[Anonymous Coward]

I wouldn't trust a single chinese electronics vendor.

China Needs A TimeOut!

[Anonymous Coward]

They bad, bad, bad. GOOD for you down underers.

Fair Trade with China?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey China, will you let me come over and freely compete with state businesses? Can I show up and get a job, aka compete in you labor market?

What a bunch of autocratic, semi-capitalist dictators.

Re:Fair Trade with China?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey China, will you let me come over and freely compete with state businesses? Can I show up and get a job, aka compete in you labor market?

What a bunch of autocratic, semi-capitalist dictators.

In that respect, China really isn't that much different from Japan.

Frankly, the Chinese, Japanse, and Koreans are probably the most racist populations on planet Earth.

In other words, it's not just Communism/statism.

we only let america spy on us

[redback]

We don't want china to spy on us, we only let america do that.

Re:we only let america spy on us

[benjfowler]

Yep. Because everyone spies. But the Americans are 100% friends to the hilt, and the Chinese are competitors, if not adversaries.

It's highly disingenuous to equate authoritarian kleptocracies like Russia and China with civilised Western countries. Don't do it.

Re:we only let america spy on us

[Anonymous Coward]

History shows 100% friends to the hilt - so long as things are going their way for their businesses (who have thoroughly corrupted their government).

Re: we only let america spy on us

[ChunderDownunder]

Australia has been in lockstep with the USA on national security for decades thanks to ANZUS. So we'll play by their rules, particularly as there's an American military intelligence base near Alice Springs. Assuming Pine Gap uses some sort of terrestrial communications in addition to satellite then Huawei and ZTE might pose a threat to US security if deployed in Australia.

But the Aussie government hasn't yet tried to ban ZTE nor Huawei phones.

Re:we only let america spy on us

[Anonymous Coward]

subject to extrajudicial directions from foreign government that conflict with Australian law,

This should already cause the ban to extend to some US companies, given the previous extrajudicial co-operations that may have violated US laws, or at least US should have had laws that would have been violated in such circumstances.

Re: we only let america spy on us

[benjfowler]

Australia has shown huge balls to stand up to China, which is commendable. They are going toe-to-toe with the Communist thugs in a way that America has yet wouldn't dream of.

It's effective. And we know, because of the shrill screams of 'WAAAAYCISSS' coming out of CCP mouthpieces like the Global Times. The grubby mainlanders always play the race card when they're losing :-D

Re: we only let america spy on us

[Anonymous Coward]

The first thing China did was ban some Australian news sites so Chinese people couldn't hear the other side of the story. Only the official Chinese version.

Re:we only let america spy on us

[lrichardson]

Yep, kinda like the NSA hacking into Petrobras, and the data somehow finding its way to Halliburton, while the former CEO was veep ... Pretty sure the official response, when the Snowden papers came out, was along the lines of 'Oh noes, we would *nevah* do industrial spying, is only fer NATIONAL SECURITY! hehehehe '

Re: we only let america spy on us

[Anonymous Coward]

*state capitalists, not communist

Re:we only let america spy on us

[glowworm]

But the Americans are 100% friends to the hilt

I guess it all depends on if one believes the CIA "stole" Harold Holt, or the Chinese "stole" Harold Holt.

As for 100% friends, nah. 80% at most. The USA would have no qualms in informing the sitting PM of the week about the dirt they hold on him so they get their way with B2 bombers in Darwin and spy stations near Alice.

The banned companies don't concern me

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm more concerned about the companies which the government approves.

BTW: this is the same government that less than a week ago proposed laws that would be more suitable in former East Germany.

Also, the same government which, a couple of years ago, required telecoms carriers log all data for 2 years. (At least /. is now SSL.)

Its fair

[Anonymous Coward]

We live in a global economy, so it's fair that companies ran by governments that aren't aligned with our interests cannot be allowed to move on providing services. Maybe one day China will allow its currency float lole everyone else and also allow investors to have companies that aren't 50% in hands of their government.

Why not Cisco?

[ArhcAngel]

How many back doors have discovered in Cisco switches and routers in the last year? If you don't know they are in double digit territory.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[scdeimos]

You should have a browse through the CERT database some time. Last time I checked (earlier this year) there were over 360 advisories for hard coded credentials in Cisco products - and each advisory typically mentions multiple products.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[benjfowler]

Sure. After all, authoritarian kleptocracies like Russia and China are completely morally equivalent to the Western countries. Totally.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[Anonymous Coward]

uh... you not read a History book? the below is a few years out of date - Missing Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen.

1798-1800 France Undeclared naval war against France, marines land in Puerto Plata.
1801-1805 Tripoli War with Tripoli (Libya), called "First Barbary War".
1806 Spanish Mexico Military force enters Spanish territory in headwaters of the Rio Grande.
1806-1810 Spanish and French in Caribbean US naval vessels attack French and Spanish shipping in the Caribbean.
1810 Spanish West Florida Troops invade and seize Western Florida, a Spanish possession.
1812 Spanish East Florida Troops seize Amelia Island and adjacent territories.
1812 Britain War of 1812, includes naval and land operations.
1813 Marquesas Island Forces seize Nukahiva and establish first US naval base in the Pacific.
1814 Spanish (East Florida) Troops seize Pensacola in Spanish East Florida.
1814-1825 French, British and Spanish in Caribbean US naval squadron engages French, British and Spanish shipping in the Caribbean.
1815 Algiers and Tripoli US naval fleet under Captain Stephen Decatur wages "Second Barbary War" in North Africa.
1816-1819 Spanish East Florida Troops attack and seize Nicholls' Fort, Amelia Island and other strategic locations. Spain eventually cedes East Florida to the US.
1822-1825 Spanish Cuba and Puerto Rico Marines land in numerous cities in the Spanish island of Cuba and also in Spanish Puerto Rico.
1827 Greece Marines invade the Greek islands of Argentiere, Miconi and Andross.
1831 Falkland/Malvinas Islands US naval squadrons aggress the Falkland Islands in the South Atlantic.
1832 Sumatra, Dutch East Indies US naval squadrons attack Qallah Battoo.
1833 Argentina Forces land in Buenos Aires and engage local combatants.
1835-1836 Peru Troops dispatched twice for counter-insurgency operations.
1836 Mexico Troops assist Texas war for independence.
1837 Canada Naval incident on the Canadian border leads to mobilization of a large force to invade Canada. War is narrowly averted.
1838 Sumatra, Dutch East Indies US naval forces sent to Sumatra for punitive expedition.
1840-1841 Fiji Naval forces deployed, marines land.
1841 Samoa Naval forces deployed, marines land.
1842 Mexico Naval forces temporarily seize cities of Monterey and San Diego.
1843 China Marines land in Canton.
1843 Ivory Coast Marines land.
1846-1848 Mexico Full-scale war. Mexico cedes half of its territory to the US by the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo.
1849 Ottoman Empire (Turkey) Naval force dispatched to Smyrna.
1852-1853 Argentina Marines land in Buenos Aires.
1854 Nicaragua Navy bombards and largely destroys city of San Juan del Norte. Marines land and set fire to the city.
1854 Japan Commodore Perry and his fleet deploy at Yokohama.
1855 Uruguay Marines land in Montevideo.
1856 Colombia (Panama Region) Marines land for counter-insurgency campaign.
1856 China Marines deployed in Canton.
1856 Hawaii Naval forces seize small islands of Jarvis, Baker and Howland in the Hawaiian Islands.
1857 Nicaragua Marines land.
1858 Uruguay Marines land in Montevideo.
1858 Fiji Marines land.
1859 Paraguay Large naval force deployed.
1859 China Troops enter Shanghai.
1859 Mexico Military force enters northern area.
1860 Portuguese West Africa Troops land at Kissembo.
1860 Colombia (Panama Region) Troops and naval forces deployed.
1863 Japan Troops land at Shimonoseki.
1864 Japan Troops landed in Yedo.
1865 Colombia (Panama Region) Marines landed.
1866 Colombia (Panama Region) Troops invade and seize Matamoros, later withdraw.
1866 China Marines land in Newchwa

Re:Why not Cisco?

[benjfowler]

Yeah whatever, Russofascist.

So you get to decide that because America did something bad once, we forfeit all right to criticise Russia's evil, murderous and fascist behaviour??

When does the statute of limitations expire then?

Actually, don't answer that -- that was a rhetorical question.

Just go and fuck yourself up your yellow Tatar arse.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[Puls4r]

Whatabout whatabout whatabout. Nice deflection. We're talking about Chinese products supply critical US infrastructure. Trying to change the topic to talk about US companies doesn't address the point at all - it just tries to redirect the conversation. Short version: we MUST not allow foreign nation-state corporations to supply critical US infrastructure.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[ArhcAngel]

I knew it was high...but WOW! I was just referencing all the ones found and reported on in just the last 12 months.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[ArhcAngel]

I believe the conversation was about Australia. But nice deflection.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[thegarbz]

You don't understand. It's okay as long as a Chinese person isn't spying on us. America is an "ally"

Re:Why not Cisco?

[jabuzz]

I got as far as 1801-1805 "First Barbary War". Right so America decides to go to war with a bunch of real high seas Pirates that where also busy raiding the coastline of Europe and kidnapping people for slaves.

From Wikipedia; The cause of the U.S. participation was pirates from the Barbary States seizing American merchant ships and holding the crews for ransom, demanding the U.S. pay tribute to the Barbary rulers.

So yes America and later Britain where wholey morally justified in giving them a through pasting. Noting that to finally put an end to their practices European powers had to occupy north Africa, something north African's in the 21st century seem reluctant to admit too. You got colonized by Europeans because you where a bunch of evil bastards who would not leave us alone, and that is the truth of it.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[Puls4r]

Ok. I admit I laughed. But the message should remain the same for any sovereign country. Don't let foreigners run your critical infrastructure. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

Re:Why not Cisco?

[Anonymous Coward]

pity Australia doesn't have the industry to do it all by itself - so i guess it's a choice of the lesser evil - except lesser evil is a matter of perception ;)

Re:Why not Cisco?

[Megol]

The one holding the leash is never an ally.

Precautions ?

[spinitch]

It might be over blown now but if trade tensions rise then having critical equipment supplied by a potential adversary conceivably seems riskier. Then limit to a secondary supplier for which can still help overall competition and price. Politics and xenophobia playing its part too.

"Now I see the payoffs everywhere I look..."

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: "... Who do you trust when EVERYONE's a CROOK?" Queensryche REVOLUTION CALLING

(EVERYONE IS PULLING THIS BULLSHIT - backdoors galore in the software & yes in the hardware too... Give me a break!)

APK

P.S.=> That's about all I have to say about the insanity out there & I didn't do the saying of it in that quote as that band (oft called "thinking man's rock & roll") said it better than I could... apk

Remaining competitors

[Luckyo]

If I remember 2017 numbers right on mobile infrastructure market, Huawei was the biggest with just below 30% of global market, with Ericsson right on its heels, followed by Nokia that had slightly below 25% and ZTE at below 15%. And Huawei's market share was growin while Ericsson's and Nokia's were shrinking.

This is going to be another big win for Ericsson and Nokia it seems, following the similar trend in US recently.

Yoda say...

[Anonymous Coward]

Bandwagon jumping you be!

Not really, ZTE/xiaomi have backdoors.

[Anonymous Coward]

You faggots want to pretend these companies don't have backdoors, you can do what you want, but you're dumb faggots for that reason.

Just helping out our Chinese friends

[hyades1]

'Huawei stated that the Australian government told the company that both it and ZTE are banned from supplying 5G technology to the country, despite Huawei's assurances that it does not pose a threat to national security at the moment ."

Fixed that for ya, Huawei!

You're welcome

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[Anonymous Coward]

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China

[Anonymous Coward]

Everything is made in China so what brands are they going to approve ?

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Who fills in the gap?

[reanjr]

So, are they going to rely on domestic suppliers or are they going to rely on American suppliers? Cause if it's American suppliers, I've got some news for you regarding government backdoors...

Re: Who fills in the gap?

[Traxton]

Swedish company Ericsson has all the gear they could ever want to buy when it comes to 5G or any other mobile communication infrastructure.

Re: Who fills in the gap?

[Anonymous Coward]

Nokia and Ericsson. There are no American suppliers.

evidence from cisco

[johnjones]

well here is a pretty blatant copying

https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-correcting-the-record

but hey using google is hard...

adjust your figures

[johnjones]

Huawei and ZTE switching equipment numbers are heavily skewed by their home market i.e. selling into the chinese government

Nokia and Ericsson are rightly seen as neutral compared to american firms

Re:adjust your figures

[Luckyo]

First this isn't about switching equipment but radio towers and entirety of infrastructure. The actual switching hardware in that is typically done by 3rd party hardware afaik, outside some critical elements. The value addition these companies produce comes from everything else related to having the actual infrastructure. Everything from radio beam forming at the tower antenna to network coherence as a whole.

And numbers wise, while true, this is fairly irrelevant in this scope. Chinese are not going to stop favouring home grown corporations, and their market is likely to stay at least as big as it is today for foreseeable future, even if it doesn't grow. So this portion of the market is theirs to hold, while this market remains relevant to everyone else, as Ericsson and Nokia are in fact supplying infrastructure to China and do hold a sizable chunk of the market. Which is, as you note, much smaller than their worldwide average due to locals favouring local producers.

"extrajudicial directions from foreign government"

[Anonymous Coward]

This includes a US ban right? How many times has the intelligence community, etc. given directions to US firms with a gag order.

Good for Australians

[w1zz4]

Should have somethings like that when one of our dumb project manager decided to buy a shitload of Huawei DWDM NE. We had to isolate all the Huawei DWDMs last year because government here refuse that their data transit on those abberation.

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APK lies

[Anonymous Coward]

APK continually lies, never trust him
Like how he claims the Chinese copied him but can't produce any evidence.
How about when he states that hosts does port filtering but again can't backup his statement which was shown to be false.
There is also his list of "experts" who support him but it turns out they don't say what he is claiming.
This also ignores the out of context quotes he uses to lie by omission.
The problem with APK is that his entire reputation is built upon the lie he told years ago that hosts is an effective security solution. It has been exposed numerous times as being a lie and when exposed APK fails to argue logically and instead will try to deflect criticism, change the subject, move the goal posts, return to a previously disproven statement, demand you prove you did better than his file concatenator, or just call people names. He will continue to lie by stating that he won or "dusted" you while failing to refute anything you said, will never provide real evidence, and generally try to dodge the issue.

Face it APK is one of the most detested individuals here for good reason. When ever his poor behavior, awful logic, over statements, and horrendous writing are called out he has a fit and has done so for years across the internet. He is a spammer, and is an abusive insecure little man who is washed up and never amounted to anything. Until he produces actual verifiable facts supporting his case nothing he says should be taken seriously.