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Germany, Seeking Independence From US, Pushes Cyber Security Research (reuters.com)
Germany announced a new agency earlier this week to fund research on cyber security and to end its reliance on digital technologies from the United States, China and other countries. From a report: Interior Minister Horst Seehofer told reporters that Germany needed new tools to become a top player in cyber security and shore up European security and independence. "It is our joint goal for Germany to take a leading role in cyber security on an international level," Seehofer told a news conference with Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen. "We have to acknowledge we're lagging behind, and when one is lagging, one needs completely new approaches."
So cringy.
The German economy was lagging behind in the 30s and history shows how well the "completely new approach" worked.
Germany outlawed the ownership of "hacking tools" (202c StGB, "Acts preparatory to data espionage and phishing") , and all of a sudden, Internet security research in Germany is lagging.
I'm serious: the Israeli security forces, both physical and cybersecurity, are extremely effective for the same reason that penguins survive cold: Darwin forces their evolution. Now, Germany relying on Jewish security forces would be a wonderful irony.
The F is for fag
Oh my, how did you know I'm from the simply fabulous city of San Francisco?
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Makes you wonder if the other 14 eyes countries have the skills?
If Germany says no, then the others are just mere consumers, if the USA would hold things back for themselves.
Certainly Germany could trap mangled protocols, and work out leading edge attacks that are saved up for later.
Ah yes, I remember the 2018 War for German Independence from those horrible Yanks... I was there, son.
will be spent on GDPR compliance. The remaining budget will be spent on foreign consultants, because using "hacking tools" is a crime in Germany, so no one knows how to use them.
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... after Obama wiretapped the German leader's 'phone.
--- "We've always been at war with Eastasia."
Russia's going to make it's own US free Internet. Iran's going to make it's own US free Internet. Venezuela is going to make it's own US free Internet and bypass US sanctions with it's own cryptocurrency. Germany is going to make its own cyber security thing, whatever that is, unfettered by those rascally Americans.
One problem with Germany's brilliant plan; Germany simply doesn't have the intellectual base in computing to build anything like parity with the US; Germany isn't the place the originates the operating systems, protocols, programming tools and cryptography that dominate computing because Germany doesn't foster the computing ecosystem of the US; the excessively regulated employment regime of Germany is anathema to the merit driven IT business, so nothing akin to Silicon Valley has ever emerged in Germany or any other Western European nation for that matter. The simple truth is the Russia has produced vastly more software in wide use around the world today than Germany. Hell, even Ukraine programmers and software companies are more prominent.
This is an empty and pathetic announcement; sad on so many levels.
CCC were pioneers and it never stopped since then. It seems like bullshit. Wrong person, in wrong job seems the issue.
All German federal activities in the Internet so far have been uninformed, counter-productive, very late and generally of negative utility. This one will be the same.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Stupidity is the name of the game in Germany when the government collides with the Internet.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Europeans can hee and haw all they want about how things are different and oh so better in their countries. At the end of the day when America says jump, European politicians always ask how high.
Besides, that welfare state won't look so good when Germany has to start paying for its own self defense instead of relying on foreign powers.
CheckPoint? ROFLMAO
If you have Checkpoint, you DON'T have ANY security!
Worst POS ever made,
ANY hacker can cut through a Checkpoint "firewall" (ha!) like a hot knife through butter.
NO SECURITY AT ALL, and worse is, the hacking won't even show up in the logs (tracker) OR in Checkpoints debugging tools!
TOTAL POS
... wie in Amerika
Well, taking in waves of low-iq refugees that are 10x more expensive to take care of in-country than in their home countries tops that....
By default. As there is no tech news here anymore, the only people left reading this site are San Francisco sodomites.
Independence from the US? Lol. Didn't Dieselgate teach you eurotrash anything? We can erase your economy with a snap of the fingers and there's nothing you can do about it. Huff and puff all you want, in the end you have to lick US boots. :)
Don't be so harsh now, the Internet is Neuland for all of us.
We are talking about Germans taking "completely new approaches" do recover about whatever they are lagging behind
Someone needs to tell those Merkeled Krauts that testicles are harder to replace than that...
In the future other countries might have a larger percentage that can code, look for bugs, etc.
We should of kept the common core of education which started from George W. Bush with leaving no kids behind.
(1) Teaching kids to code should come from programming languages that run on all OS & Hardware.
(2) Leaving no kids behind 1.0 [Pres. George W. Bush]
(3) Leaving no kids behind 2.0 [President Obama]
*Note: also known as the Common Core.
Any responsible intelligence organization will try to keep total awareness about both potential enemies and their own allies, as well as any other party of any interest, up to the totality of the world (for as much as budgets and assets would allow). When bad surprise strikes, they will not get any credit from their superiors, or worse - from mourning families of the victims, for being "real men", "good sports", and for trusting "our brave allies". It is just that dependants may be afraid to do it, fearing their stronger ally may punish them for that, or may leave them to their own luck.
As that is not happening, it is also not a problem. There are just some Nazis (yes, AfD has now openly collaborated with Nazis) that what to panic the population to profit from it.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Worked fine until the US and communism fucked it up like usual.
So the solution will be death camps in silicon valley?
That's how you think history works?
I was under the impression that as stupid as that law is you could counter it by claiming educational purposes only. At least the computer magazines I read years ago used that when they included a copy of wireshark and other tools that could be used for debugging and spying on a network connection.
Well, that would be "completely new approach" that's for sure.
And she is an actual scientist (PhD in Physics). How pathetic is that.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
"should have" or "should've". not "should of". 'merkin education at its finest.
It looks like insanity over there!! When are you guys going to join the rest of the 1st world countries and get a freaking (insert something my narrow mind thinks we have better here). Idiots from the EU keep offering their ignorant opinions about the way we run things I figured I would offer mine about a country I have never even been to.
There was recently a story about them making the idiotic, bone-headed dumkopfig maneuver of switching FROM FL/OSS... TO... Microsoft... Office or whatever it was. Cannot recall for certain which specific software package it was, I think they were intending to migrate FROM LibreOffice (or OpenOffice) to MS Office, though it could have been from GNU/Linux to Windows. Either way, someone needs to inform Munich that MS Windows, and Office as well, are made by a company in the United States, the very country that THEIR country is trying to become cyber-independent OF.
Here, Iâ(TM)ll do it myself. Liebste Muenchen: Microsoft ist ein Betrieb von den Vereinigten Staaten, dass macht Microsoft Fensteren und Microsoft Buero. Ob Sie mochten frei von software von Fremdlaender becommen, Sie mussen zurueck bis FL/OSS gehen. (I hope that all made sense. Mein Deutsch ist... rusty. Also, I cannot make umlauts on this thing, so ae, oe, and ue are standing in for a, o, and u umlauts.)
America has plenty of underemployed PhDs, whom could take those research jobs. It is govt and big biz, whom chooses to pass laws to let foreigners full those jobs, and pay them a lower wage.
Will Germany finally make more than 4 of its air force planes air worthy?
In a further statement, the minister said "we will be importing vast numbers of people with completely different worldviews to work on this security initiative. What could possibly go wrong?"
Great! The Germans secure their own physical boarders as well. The 2017 US expenditures increased to $43B on Germany alon3:
https://tradingeconomics.com/g...
If they want independence from the US, they can flip the entire bill for their country. I'm sure we can find some roads, bridges or schools that need some investment here in the US with that 43 billion dollar windfall.
It's so pathetic when German politicians of the same kind that just scrapped well deployed Linux installations for government use in exchange for the US-Trojan "Windows" speak of "cyber security". No government is really free while it still depends on proprietary software controlled by software from a country far away.
>brazenly deny the most well-known and uncontestable objective facts simply because they don't suit your narrative
>call everyone involved a nazi
>declare victory
>persuade no one
Liberals, everyone.
They're calling it Project Schnitzel. Things get really scary when they eventually conduct Operation Bratwurst. That is every German's wurst nightmare.
From my teenage years to my current position as a consultant in a multinational corporation I have always held the US and the transatlantic relationship with my country Germany in the highest regard, it was always a vision of positivity, progress and forward-thinking to me. I served with fellow American service-men and women at NATO HQ, worked with fine American colleagues at Ford's European HQ, with engineers in the US energy sector and currently with American agronomists on a high-tech farming solution and I never had an unpleasant encounter with you guys (except for one occasion with an AF colonel, but .... never mind).
Reading through this article's threads and the vile comments wilfully ignorant of any understanding of each other's culture and condition leaves me speechless and quite desperate, to be honest. We are allies and friends, not foes.
Why any country with the capability to develop its own system would rely on other countries to do it for them has always been a mystery to me. It makes the 'security' part of the term meaningless.
Just like in every other country...
Stupidity is the name of the game in Germany when the government collides with the Internet.
and indeed in the rest of the world... but most likely only on the surface
You don't want to gamble with your life like that. I was trained by NSA at the University. Yet in the field they passed crazy crap laws and I didn't want any parts of that so I bailed out. Administration doesn't matter by the way. Both sides do dumb things in this area.
A lot of times in most countries encryption falls under the same laws that regulate arms. As in it would be like you selling say a box of grenades, rockets or guns to some other country. Gets crazy. I remember back in the 1980s they fined digital a bunch of money because one of their Vax 11/785 machines ended up in east Germany somehow. They vetted the buyer, did all due diligence, didn't matter.
It was quite important, as former East Germany tried to clone the VAX architecture. By 1988/89, they had a VAX compatible 32 bit processor and one 1 Mbit RAM chip ready to create VAX clones (and there was much propaganda about how East Germany managed to close the gap to the U.S.).
Really? I thought it was all about nuclear simulations. Seems like they could have used other easily available stuff instead. Like 88000, 68000 that SUN sold back in those days. I remember selling a whole bunch of machines to a guy in Northern Virginia that had a case of transputers, network cards, etc.
I just couldn't imagine after digital did everything they could to make sure it was being sold to the right people were screwed in the end.
Yes, there was the Robotron K 18xx series of mini computers from East Germany with the U80700 processor family of MicroVAX 78032 clones. The K 1840 was clone of the VAX 11/780, the K 1845 was supposed to be a VAX 11/785 replacement (but never came out of the prototype state), and the K 1820 was a MicroVAX II clone.