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Some Students Say Having To Speak in Front of the Class is an Unreasonable Burden For Those With Anxiety and Are Requesting Alternative Options (theatlantic.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: For many middle and high school students, giving an in-class presentation was a rite of passage. Teachers would call up students, one by one, to present their work in front of the class and, though it was often nerve wracking, many people claim it helped turn them into more confident public speakers. "Coming from somebody with severe anxiety, having somebody force me to do a public presentation was the best idea to happen in my life," one woman recently tweeted. According to a recent survey by the Association of American Colleges and Universities, oral communication is one of the most sought-after skills in the workplace, with over 90 percent of hiring managers saying it's important. Some educators also credit in-class presentations with building essential leadership skills, and increasing students' confidence and understanding of material.

But in the past few years, students have started calling out in-class presentations as discriminatory to those with anxiety, demanding that teachers offer alternative options. This week, a tweet posted by 15-year-old high school student declaring "Stop forcing students to present in front of the class and give them a choice not to" garnered over 130,000 retweets and nearly half a million likes. A similar sentiment tweeted in January also racked up thousands of likes and retweets. And teachers are listening.

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  1. bubble wrap by fluffernutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just asked my 14 year old, who has social anxiety. Even he realizes that it is an important skill to have experience with, even though it scares the crap out of him. This seems to be a 'bubble wrapped child' problem.

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    1. Re:bubble wrap by The+Original+CDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For a final project in Small Group Communications, my four Vietnamese classmates appointed me to do all the work and be the speaker because I was white. So I did all the work and spoke in front of the class. Our instructor, a black woman, gave me all their credit for the assignment and forced them to retake the class. They screamed "white privilige" all the way to administration and their complaint landed on deaf ears. They couldn't prove that they did anything to merit a grade and cheerleading from the back of the room doesn't count.

  2. Re:Bravery by DivineKnight · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Indeed. Standing in front of the class is a problem for people, as they want people to like them; they need to learn the comedien's trick (Thank You, Dethklok): hate the audience.

  3. Kids are addicted to phones by DogDude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a 40-something who just went back to school for another BS degree. I can't believe how many 18-20 somethings are *addicted* to their phones. It's much, much worse than I suspected. A lot of these kids freak out at doing *anything* that isn't an "app" on their phones. It's a really big societal problem that parents need to be aware of and address as early as possible.

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  4. It's for real by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have an opposite fear: Sometimes I have to sit in an audience while someone who knows diddly squat about Open Source gives a speech about it (or even a keynote), and I would really like to engage them right in front of the audience and point out all of their mistakes, but in general that doesn't work for the audience. I just hate to sit through those things. About my most productive response was to write this in response to a completely clueless speaker.

    But how did I become a speaker? I had a neurological deficit resulting in a speech impediment and coordination problems. Throughout 1-12th grade, I took at least 10 years of either instruction from a speech pathologist or year-after-year enrollment in the school's rhetoric class (which wasn't really addressing a problem in speech pathology). So, any fear of audiences was beaten out of me.

    Most people hate and fear being in front of an audience. For some, the solution really is for them to one-on-one with a teacher. But for most, the solution would be early instruction that makes them more comfortable with the situation. The sink-or-swim method of just putting them in the front of the room is probably not the right way.

  5. Re:Bravery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have an anxiety disorder. Well, technically I have a sensory processing disorder which overloads my brain which then causes my mental state to break down to severe anxiety. I have had the problem since birth. This makes me incapable of handling just day to day life let alone stress. Things that are slightly stressful for normal people are nearly completely impossible for me (eg. going to the doctor).

    Anyway, I did all the public presentations. I even took speech specific classes in college where I was giving speeches 3 times a week. I didn't like it. It didn't get easier and it didn't better my life in any way. I wouldn't do it again.

    Back then I didn't know something was wrong with me so I forced myself to do a lot of stuff like take speech classes. I never got the help I needed as a kid or even adult which was really hard on me but I kept pushing myself. Turns out I was just making myself worse because this wasn't something I was doing wrong but instead something is physically wrong with me. I finally started getting treatment at 40 years old but honestly it's a bit late and there isn't anything that helps much.

  6. Death metal helps by alternative_right · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not just with standing in front of the class, but with dealing with humanity in general. Or technology, really.

    1. Re:Death metal helps by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Public speaking is an important skill, but it has nothing to do with, say, math. So should a kid get a bad grade in algebra because he gets nervous in front of a classroom?

      Martin Gardner turned down all invitations to speak, and said that he never felt comfortable speaking to a group of people.

      Seung-Hui Cho suffered from selective mutism, which caused him to be bullied by other students, and humiliated by a teacher who threatened to give him a failing grade if he wouldn't talk. On April 16th, 2007, he murdered 32 of his classmates.

  7. There are 2 elements to consider by vux984 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are 2 elements to consider here:

    1) A students score in an academic subject should not depend on their public speaking comfort and performance. Think about that. It makes good sense. Why does your science research project mark depend on 'eye contact' and not saying 'um' ? That's as ridiculous an grading a mathematics assignment on your singing voice and fashion sense.

    2) Public speaking, and speaking in front of others is an important life skill and students need to learn how to do it; and should not be excused from doing it, even if it makes them uncomfortable.

    Reconciling this really shouldn't be that hard. Separate the academic marks from the public speaking/presentation marks. Your science mark is what you know in science. Offer separate classes in public speaking and debate etc. Still HAVE the science presentations though, but apply your science presentation "presentation performance" mark to the other course. So no matter how badly you blow the presentation performance it doesn't affect your science mark; that's graded on the content you hand in.

    People with anxiety will struggle in this 2ndary course; but at least it doesn't affect their academic marks. I'd say this 2ndary course should be mandatory -- public speaking is an important life skill that people need to do, but i extreme cases could be excused.

  8. Re:I have math anxiety by larryjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have grade anxiety.

    Give me an "A" or I'll cry.

    More seriously, tests, reports, and lab projects are huge stress-inducers, often prompting even more anxiety than oral presentations. Should passes be given for tests, reports, and projects? School is about learning things that are not already mastered and are usually challenging, which causes stress, anxiety, and frustration in most people.

    If there is a true need to excuse students from major requirements, then the grade report should reflect the excuse. If the excused activity doesn't affect grades, then the activity can be considered optional. However, if grades are affected, then giving full credit for an excused activity directly penalizes other students. In that case, the choice is no longer solely whether to excuse a student but rather whether to penalize the excused student or to penalize the other students.

  9. Re:Buddy of mine had the opposite by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had to present my grad school research to a smallish group of people once. So I got up there and did all the typical smooth talker thing, the opposite of how I really am, hand waving, always sounding confident, etc. Afterwards they shook my hand and said it was a good talk. When they left I then told my prof that I was nervous since I hadn't prepared as much as I should have and was winging most of it. She blew up and told me I wasn't being professional, yada yada yada. But it worked. I can still pull out that character and put on a good handwaving show when I need to, or even when listening remember to ask relevant questions to make up for the fact that I wasn't paying as much attention as I should. It's a useful skill.

    (Later the prof was upset I hadn't signed up for a local conference, and she said "it doesn't matter if you're interested in the topic or not, you need to get out there and schmooze!" Good advice that's better to learn earlier than later.)