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Apple Tries To Wipe AirPower From the History Books (zdnet.com)

A year after unveiling the AirPower all-in-one wireless charger for the iPhone, Apple Watch and AirPods, Apple has now erased all references to AirPower from its website. The company has yet to ship it. From a report: A year ago during the iPhone X unveiling Apple announced AirPower -- an all-in-one wireless charger for the iPhone, Apple Watch and AirPods. The product never shipped, and today it seems that Apple has scrubbed almost all traces of it off its website. At the time of writing this is the only reference to AirPower I can find on Apple's website. So what happened to AirPower? Well, while only Apple really knows (and at the time of writing Apple hasn't responded to a request for information), it seems like the product was vaporware and that the promise of an all-in-one charger has died. I can't think off the top of my head of another product that Apple has announced at a major event and then failed to deliver, which suggests that some things are beyond the reach of even a company as powerful as Apple.

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  1. Well... by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    Looks like they removed the linked reference, as well. RIP AirPower.

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    1. Re:Well... by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      And yet, Apple is still full of air power, same as always.

      People just didn't realize how airy it was, or the power with which it was expelled. Now a year later, Apple resorted to opening Windows.

      What a ____ show.

    2. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's still there

      https://www.apple.com/v/airpods/e/images/overview/wireless_charging_airpower_large.jpg

    3. Re: Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the ussr

    4. Re:Well... by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      I expect the problem was due to a technical issue, that just couldn't be resolved combined with a luke warm demand for the product.

      While I am a Computer Scientist and not an Electrical Engineer. I just see a single electromagnetic coil trying to interact with separate ones all requiring different charging time, and sending back to the device different responses would just get very confusing, and would lead to such devices from getting overcharged and damaged, or damaging non-apple products that are suppose to be wireless charged compatible. We really cannot make an Apple only wireless charger, because we can fit other devices on it too. Which could lead to fire and damage.

      With all this risk, and the fact that no one really cared to ever ask about the product from last year they problem just dropped it all together, and not worth the risk.

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    5. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ya the technical issue was how to make a standard like Qi proprietary. apple would love to block out all third party chargers. Greedy shitstain of a company

    6. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chances are someone registered a trademark somewhere and is threatening to sue them for it.

      That would be the only reason to bother going through all this effort.

    7. Re:Well... by HumanEmulator · · Score: 1

      I've been using a $20 QC 3.0 wireless charging stand from Amazon with my iPhone X, and it charges slower than the tiny USB adapter included with my phone, and it makes my phone fairly hot. (So hot my phone throttles the CPU down and on-screen animations become jerky.)

      While it's definitely convenient, that's mostly because my phone stands upright while charging. Between slow-charing and a hot phone, it's not something I'd have been happy to pay a premium for. Plus, I've often wondered how the extra heat during charging could be affecting the long-term battery life...

    8. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, Apple is still full of air power, same as always.

      People just didn't realize how airy it was, or the power with which it was expelled. Now a year later, Apple resorted to opening Windows.

      What a ____ show.

      Agreed... It might be because all the Apple users are AIRHEADS!!! :-)

      Amusing that Apple's own users can't see that Apple is trolling them big time...
      I have always seen Apple as one big ongoing hilarious practical joke that just keeps on giving....

      They have already crossed any borders and at this point I would say they are just plain evil ... it is still funny as hell though...

      Tim Cook is an even bigger prankster than Jobs was... And those latests gags.. the naming, removal of ports, this thing with the "AirPower"? I mean, the name aline should have tipped people off... "MacBook Air"? Really..?? come on...

      I think Tim has decided to go all the way and see just how much evil that people are willing to take...
      I am just so thankfull that I never fell for the joke!

       

    9. Re:Well... by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Coil quality matters, and the cheaper Qi chargers tend to have shit coils. I note the same with my S9+ when I use a cheap charger, not so with the better ones.

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  2. This is not the vsporware you are looking for by bobstreo · · Score: 1, Funny

    This is not the vsporware you are looking for.

    More Apple Mind Tricks.

    I wonder what other revisionist history/alternate realities Apple has created/deleted?

    1. Re: This is not the vsporware you are looking for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, no one should care about any stories critical of The Holy Institution.

    2. Re: This is not the vsporware you are looking for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TBF it's not hard to hate on a company as garbage as Apple.

  3. Went to the Apple Store for clarification by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    When asked for comment on the AirPower's status, an Apple Store representative turned pale, swallowed his emergency cyanide pill, and yelled "Father Steve accept me!" before collapsing on the floor.

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  4. A sad reminder for those of us he left behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Jobs took the plans for this to the grave with him. RIP dear sir.

    1. Re:A sad reminder for those of us he left behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to worry, brother. One day he promised to return and show the entire world the glory of his AirPower. Stay faithful.

    2. Re:A sad reminder for those of us he left behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup as soon as another company makes one like apple promised and then apple can steal the tech from them.

  5. look WAYBACK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://web.archive.org/web/20...

    Optional wireless charging case coming in 2018.

  6. History books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Pretty sure Apple's site has no impact on history books, and if the product has been canceled it would be really weird to keep referencing it on the site out of some obligation to history.

    1. Re:History books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "wipe from the books"
      > literal book writings

      Nothing goes over your head, does it Drak.

      > +2 insightful
      Draks.

    2. Re: History books? by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Well, the general consensus in history books is that air power alone doesn't win wars. Clearly that can be extended to the smartphone war as well.

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  7. Apple W.A.L.T. or Apple 'Videopad' come to mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " I can't think off the top of my head of another product that Apple has announced at a major event and then failed to deliver" - so research basic shit? This isn't the first time technological limitations failed to can the wild tuna.

    1. Re:Apple W.A.L.T. or Apple 'Videopad' come to mind by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Still it isn't like Apple has a strong trend of introducing products that failed to get to the market at all. There are a few examples, But other companies seem to have a much worse track record.

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  8. Got rid of the SE too. by xack · · Score: 1

    The iPhone SE is an unproduct on their site now.

    1. Re: Got rid of the SE too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It was never on their site.

    2. Re:Got rid of the SE too. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      But it was sold as a real product.

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    3. Re: Got rid of the SE too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was on the site last week.

    4. Re: Got rid of the SE too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are imagining it.

  9. Doctrine: Air Power by Atmchicago · · Score: 1

    “Air Power rests at the apex of the first triad of victory, for it combines Mobility, Flexibility, and Initiative.” — Spartan Battle Manual

    I guess Apple didn't have enough mobility, flexibility, or initiative.

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    1. Re:Doctrine: Air Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “Air Power rests at the apex of the first triad of victory, for it combines Mobility, Flexibility, and Initiative.”
              — Spartan Battle Manual

      I guess Apple didn't have enough mobility, flexibility, or initiative.

      Or courage.

  10. Probably because wireless charging inherently bad by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I currently have an Apple phone and watch that support wireless charging.

    I kind of liked the idea Apple had of a mat you could put multiple devices on, but wasn't really planning to buy it. Why? Because wireless charging is I think an inherently poor technology.

    It's a lot slower than a wire. but the fundamental reason it really sucks is, THERE IS STILL A WIRE that goes to whatever wireless charging plate you have. I would way rather just have a small cable with me that I can plug into any USB slot, which are in quite a few places now, since I have to have a wire anyway.

    The apple product in particular also did not seem very useful to me in that what I set stuff down by the bed at night I don't necessarily want everything flat. I have a stand I can leave the watch on to charge so it's at a nice angle to read, and even the phone I would prefer angled up so I could quickly glance to see in the morning if I have important messages waiting.

    It is kind of funny to watch Apple stalinize a product though... it's like, dude, just admit it didn't work out!

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  11. Compile Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AppleWebsite != List historyBooks;

    StoryTitle.set(false);

  12. All Apple all the time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, this is too much Apple news! Fanbois will be recovering for weeks!

  13. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by crow · · Score: 1

    I switched to wireless charging for my phone a year ago, and I really like it. You're wrong on several points:

    * It's not much slower than regular charging.

    * Not having to plug and unplug the wire really is a convenience.

    In my case, I have an Android phone, and my one big complaint is that my phone turns on the screen when the charging is complete, which can wake me up since the charger is on my nightstand. Since it won't wirelessly charge through the screen, I either have to put something else on top of the phone or put the phone up-side-down with the charger on top, which is really inconvenient.

  14. "all in one" charger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that sounds like the exact opposite of their corporate mission.

  15. From an engineering/physics standpoint... idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The concept of broadcasting in ALL the directions, when you have only one recipient for that connection, is already very much idiotic. Nearly ALL of the power is wasted for heating up the environment around the sender. And the recipient also has to waste orders of magnitude more power, to be able to pick up such a small fraction of the signal.
    So if you want it efficient, you put it at close to each other as possible. With as little as possible in-between.
    And if that is possible in your situation... then what you have there... is a connector!

    To do this for the *purpose* of power transfer, where you can't dial down the power requirements by raising sensitivity, because power is the whole point... is utterly idiotic.
    And we're not talking beaming down power from solar arrays in space there, where there is hardy any other choice, and the beam is extremely tight.. The only thing that can top it, is when you can, or even need tono reason at all. It is just done, "because". "Because Apple... ooh ... ahh ..."
    Seriously... the level of retardation that it requires, to turn off one's brain that much, to not stop and think "Waiiit... that makes no sense!" ... is staggering!

  16. I know what happened to it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why sell people one wireless charger for three products when you can sell them three wireless chargers for one product each?

    1. Re:I know what happened to it. by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Well done sir! I came here to say something very similar.

      Selling only one wireless charger is simply not the Apple way.

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  17. To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plug by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    * It's not much slower than regular charging.

    True, but since there are times when you really need charging to be as rapid as possible I'd rather have every normal charging spot act at maximum speed - even for a bedside sometimes you want a quick charge while taking a nap. So I have the 13W charging blocks plugged into a few common charging places around the house.

    * Not having to plug and unplug the wire really is a convenience.

    This is one aspect where I think Apple may have decided they just can't do a very good job eliminating common frustration, because it seems like with other flat chargers I've seen people use there's a small sweet spot where it's actually charging, and if the device gets moved off it's not charging, plus you have to take as much time as you would plugging in a cable to make sure it's in the right spot...

    That is one area where I like how the Apple watch chargers work, because they magnetically suck the watch to the "wireless" charging pad so it's super easy to attach and cannot easily be jostled off the charger. That was another reason I never planned to buy the AirPower pad, because the Apple Watch chargers are much easier and more secure than the pad would have been... maybe Apple realized that as well.

    What Apple should really do is try to make an Apple Watch charger that can also incidentally power the iPhone. Maybe if you flipped it over? That would be something I might use given I have to travel with an Apple Watch charger anyway.

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  18. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had Qi wireless charging on my Nexus 4.
     
    I had a Qi charger by my bed, and at my desk next to my office computer, and also at my home office desk.I don't think I ever had to charge it from less than 20% as 90% of the time it is sitting in one of those three places. Wireless charging is great when it is ubiquitous, as your device is constantly getting topped off.

  19. Then you dont know anything about Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I can't think off the top of my head of another product that Apple has announced at a major event and then failed to deliver,

    Powerbook G5. Wow that was easy.

  20. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I have USB plugs and cables in all those places and do the same thing. That's why I don't really see the benefit, those QI chargers all have to be plugged into a wall, so I might as well have a 13W USB adaptor that can charge my phone quicker than a wireless unit...

    Anywhere a person can place a wireless charging base, you can easily have a USB plug and wire, that can even tuck out of the way more than the charging plates do.

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  21. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    It is kind of funny to watch Apple stalinize a product though... it's like, dude, just admit it didn't work out!

    I rewatched the 2017 keynote... it was weird and a bit unsettling. There's this 10-minute segment where Tim Cook is just wandering around the stage, in front of a blank screen, apparently reading Tennyson's "The Charge of the Light Brigade" to the audience.

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  22. Re:To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plu by crow · · Score: 1

    That's a great, well-reasoned disagreement. Thanks!

    You're right that plugging in is just as fast as fiddling with the phone to get it in the right spot to charge, but time isn't the only factor. I can do that fiddling for wireless charging in the dark (and I often do). I can pick up my phone to check something without having to unplug it, and that's a win. Also, having wireless charging pads around encourages you to charge if you would be setting your phone down anyway, but wouldn't have bothered to plug in.

    Ultimately, though, it's something that some people love and some don't care about, and that's fine.

    I started with wireless charging when my phone got wet and refused to charge through the USB port for several days. I don't know if Apple phones will do that, but my S7 did, and I've seen my S8 refuse to charge briefly. (off-topic: My employer upgraded me to switch carriers; I wouldn't normally upgrade one generation.)

    The one last thing I'll say about wireless charging is that I've had a number of charging cables fail, but never the one used for my wireless charger because that one doesn't get any stress.

  23. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all true, as far as I can tell.

    Wireless charging has one major advantage for me: No risk of breaking cords, phones, or ports when the USB cable inevitably gets caught on something and yanked to the floor. I replace my phones because of damage to the charging port much, much more frequently than I do for any other reason. Having the USB port be purely for data backups would save a lot of wear and tear on my phone.

  24. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, for i devices, it's not slow. The included wall adapter only charged at 1A 5V, which matches the original QI standard of 5W (5V*1A = 5W).

    To them, it would be chargning like normal... or even faster as the older tech might have been able to go 7.5W. Many don't realize that you can replace the wall wart with a 2A / 10W charger or more.

  25. Re:To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should look into the 3-coil charging pads. The positioning is MUCH less finiky.

  26. All references? by Sebby · · Score: 1

    Apple has now erased all references to AirPower from its website

    Did they also remove the original keynote it was mentioned in (or edit/truncate it)?

    (No, didn't check).

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  27. False by zioncat · · Score: 4, Informative

    A year after unveiling the AirPower all-in-one wireless charger for the iPhone, Apple Watch and AirPods, Apple has now erased all references to AirPower from its website.

    Really? I still can find it mentioned in these:
    The future is here: iPhone X
    iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus: A new generation of iPhone
    Not to mention they still hosts the video of presentation that introduced AirPower and it still has Phil Schiller introducing it (@1:43:00 from apple special event September 12, 2017).

    Either Apple is bad at searching their own website or this is a clickbaity article.

  28. Re:To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plu by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That is a great point about charging bad having no stress, even though braided lightning cables hold up well over time I've absolutely had to get rid of cables that have died.

    In the end I should probably just get a well-rated wireless charger and try using it myself, since my opinions are mostly based on what I've seen of others devices and some things they have mentioned to me...

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  29. Just waiting for relaunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple originally wanted to call the product iPower but was concerned it might send the wrong message.. Since the product was delayed until after Apple hit 1'trillion market cap (larger then the GDP of all but 16 countries and putting it on par with Indonesia) They decided that "iPower" was acceptable and are working on the rebranding.

  30. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    I have had a bad track record with Cell phones and wires hooked up to it. For the most part I wear out the connector on the phone faster then any of the other components. Granted the Thunderbolt connector seemed to be more reliable then micro usb or the old iphone connector. It takes a toll on the device. I much rather have wireless charging just to have less moving parts on the device.

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  31. Magnetic usb charging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would be better with a standard magnetic usb charger "port". It solve the "no stress on usb port" and "fiddeling in the dark" problem. Currently there are dozens of magnetic charging "standards" on ebay (using adapters), a mess. Usb standard folks dropped the ball on this unfortunately.

  32. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Magsafe charging port was great, it could be made smaller for a phone (needs less power hence contact area than a laptop while charging time is comparable). Alas, Apple removed it from its laptops, giving way to an inferior solution.

  33. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Charging plugs are an obvious potential point of failure in my experience. Removing the need to jam a flaky plug into a flimsy usb or firewire socket every night seems like a win to me.

  34. Beyond Their Reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say that it's yet another crack. Apple hasn't had much sense or vision since the iPad hit the scene, seems to me this is just yet another fuck up.

  35. Apple great? HAHAHAHA. No. Just no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company is hardly great. They do all sorts of malicious shit just as pretty much all the major players do. I wouldn't use Apple anything.

  36. Patent? by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Think maybe some long lost patent troll came along and wanted to raise a big stink?

  37. Re:To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plu by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    True, but since there are times when you really need charging to be as rapid as possible I'd rather have every normal charging spot act at maximum speed - even for a bedside sometimes you want a quick charge while taking a nap. So I have the 13W charging blocks plugged into a few common charging places around the house.

    Actually, Apple devices support up to 13W wireless charging too - and in a pure speed test, yes, wired is faster, but 13W wireless chargers weren't much slower. Then came the 5W chargers followed by the 5W wireless, and the cheapo wireless chargers that literally did take forever to charge.

    Unfortunately, a good chunk of those cheap wireless chargers are of the super-slow variety - if you want speed, you must spend quite a bit more for the wireless chargers that can charge faster.

  38. And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trademark List : https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/appletmlist.html

  39. It was always a stupid idea by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Wireless charging was always a stupid idea from a technical standpoint which is why you don't see it everywhere.

  40. Re:To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plu by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Actually, Apple devices support up to 13W wireless charging too

    Where are wireless chargers that support that? I was looking and found wireless chargers that supported up to 15W charging speed - but specifically called out the for the iPhone models it would only support 7.5W charging.

    I wouldn't mind spending money on a really good wireless charger, it just seems hard to tell what is actually good.

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  41. Courage! It takes courage to innovate like that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This shows how much courage Apple has to come up with such innovative products. Courage!

  42. 'convenience' Rosetta stone finally cracked by epine · · Score: 0

    Eureka! I finally figured this out.

    Not having to plug and unplug the wire really is a convenience.

    The kind of people enamored with convenience are the same people who also find it inconvenient to pause to quantify the magnitude of any benefit received. The proxy metric becomes number of mandatory, minor context switches out of narcissism fugue.

    The first secret of design is ... noticing — March 2015

    For example, see this piece of fruit? See this little sticker? That sticker wasn't there when I was a kid. But somewhere as the years passed, someone had the bright idea to put that sticker on the fruit. Why? So it could be easier for us to check out at the grocery counter.

    Well that's great, we can get in and out of the store quickly. But now, there's a new problem. When we get home and we're hungry and we see this ripe, juicy piece of fruit on the counter, we just want to pick it up and eat it. Except now, we have to look for this little sticker. And dig at it with our nails, damaging the flesh. Then rolling up that sticker — you know what I mean. And then trying to flick it off your fingers.

    (Applause) It's not fun, not at all.

    My first reaction to this—and it's never changed—is to thank my lucky stars I don't suffer from Sticker Peeling Annoyance Syndrome. What a horrible way to have to live.

    Comedians know all about this. Jerry Seinfeld's entire career was built on noticing those little details, those idiotic things we do every day that we don't even remember. He tells us about the time he visited his friends and he just wanted to take a comfortable shower. He'd reach out and grab the handle and turn it slightly one way, and it was 100 degrees too hot. And then he'd turn it the other way, and it was 100 degrees too cold. He just wanted a comfortable shower. Now, we've all been there, we just don't remember it. But Jerry did, and that's a comedian's job.

    I'm sure every engineer has watched their non-engineering spouse try to set the car temperature by making a major initial adjustment, and then never accounting for the feedback delay tau (either the initial cold-start tau, or the subsequent recirculation-delay tau), so this is promptly followed by an extreme adjustment (equilibrium has now departed the grocery wagon for the next half hour).

    Voila! Shower Temperature Adjustment Syndrome, exactly as Jerry describes.

    What Tony Fadell fails to add is this: all the same things Jerry notices are the sandpaper of George Costanza's existence.

    If you are George Costanza, you can loose a pitched emotional battle with a small fruit label. That's Seinfeld's world.

    Jerry actually said (IRL) that Seinfeld couldn't exist in modern times. Kramer would text, and never crash the perimeter—unless he had to come over to use Jerry's charging matt, because his own matt failed (perhaps he tried to charge his phone after it was vacuumed up by his Roomba—he was only concerned, in the short term, about hearing a certain ring tone).

    And then—inevitably—the glorious communal convenience of the charging matt would lead to soured romantic interests all around.

    Of course, if Kramer never actually gets his phone out of his Roomba (and he finds a charging matt sufficient to the cause), they actually could resurrect Seinfeld (at least in Trump's white America) and continue to have Kramer crashing the gates in every episode.

  43. Conspiracy theory much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice one on the clickbait title.

    Apple is far from the only company to announce something then fail to deliver it. Nikon's DL line of compact cameras never reached the stores, for example.

  44. Drama much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My guess is a licensing deal fell through or there were some patent lawsuits that happened and they're required to stop talking about it or they might face damages from brand dilution or what have you. You certainly know it's not vapor ware... obviously the technologies exist. It's happened before... look at ZFS for OS X.

    1. Re:Drama much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So apple got caught stealing someone elses tech before it got to market. Sounds like apple.

  45. You're a faggot Kendall you need real problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^^ You're more full of shit than Trump, and that's saying something.

  46. If only removing apple itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was just as easy.

  47. Re:To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one aspect where I think Apple may have decided they just can't do a very good job eliminating common frustration, because it seems like with other flat chargers I've seen people use there's a small sweet spot where it's actually charging, and if the device gets moved off it's not charging, plus you have to take as much time as you would plugging in a cable to make sure it's in the right spot...

    Multi-coil chargers are the solution to that and from the marketing material Apple put out when they announced it there were pretty clearly devices spread across the charger's surface.

    The Apple fans decried wireless charging when Apple didn't have it, lauded it when Apple introduced it and are back to decrying it now that Apple has failed to deliver it.

  48. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you saying this based on a thought experiment or have you tried wireless charging? There are angled and adjustable angle chargers and these are my favorite. Flat is admittedly a weird choice. I have never met someone who has given this technology a fair try and not loved it though. It is so natural and easy as far as transitioning from charging to not charging. Start by getting a wireless charger / vent phone holder for your car - I can't imagine you would go back after trying that.

  49. Apple is not powerfull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just has mindless followers.

  50. Besides every electric tootbrush? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so there are some good applications for it.
    But for charging a 40000mA battery in 10 minutes it probably isn't.

    1. Re:Besides every electric tootbrush? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      No, there aren't, and never were, it's wasteful of power.

    2. Re:Besides every electric tootbrush? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree there aren't valid use cases. Implantable medical devices are perhaps the best use case for inductive charging. What, you mean you'd rather have a charge port sticking out of your skin?

      Inductive charging/powering of devices isn't inherently wasteful of power, poor designs are.

    3. Re:Besides every electric tootbrush? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a consumer item, that's a special medical application.

    4. Re:Besides every electric tootbrush? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a consumer item, that's a special medical application.

      That's moving the goalposts.

      The original statement was,

      "Wireless charging was always a stupid idea from a technical standpoint which is why you don't see it everywhere."

      To which someone else responded:

      "so there are some good applications for it."

      So then Rick here responds with:

      "No, there aren't, and never were, it's wasteful of power."

      Not once anywhere in here in your argument against wireless charging, did you mention consumer devices specifically. You were then presented a valid use(medical devices), and you respond with, "That's not a consumer item, that's a special medical application." You Sir, have just moved the goalposts.

      It's okay to admit that you're wrong sometimes, its okay.

    5. Re:Besides every electric tootbrush? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      No, there aren't, and never were, it's wasteful of power.

      It is wasteful but since the power levels involved are low, the waste is not significant.

  51. Auto homing charger by DrYak · · Score: 1

    That is one area where I like how the Apple watch chargers work, because they magnetically suck the watch to the "wireless" charging pad so it's super easy to attach and cannot easily be jostled off the charger. That was another reason I never planned to buy the AirPower pad, because the Apple Watch chargers are much easier and more secure than the pad would have been... maybe Apple realized that as well.

    What Apple should really do is try to make an Apple Watch charger that can also incidentally power the iPhone. Maybe if you flipped it over? That would be something I might use given I have to travel with an Apple Watch charger anyway.

    Magnetically auto-homing the smartphone onto the wireless charger is something that Palm then HP were doing with the Pre line of smartphones and its Touchstone charger, a decade ago.
    I did work absolutely great. (I wonder who ones the patent currently ? LG, maybe ? Still HP ?)

    Sadly the industry standardize into a different form (Qi charging).
    But you find multiple "how to" about salvaging the old hardware and adapting it to modern smartphones.

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  52. yeah, impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My phone is totally not charging right now from a wireless charger built into my desk. QI hasn't been a working and proven standard for about a decade...

  53. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    So while you rotate your USB device 3 times to get it in the right way (6 times in the dark since it is widely known that USB activates a hidden f-you mode when the lights are out) I just throw my phone on the bedside table and call it a night. It's slow to charge? Well fortunatley it has a lot of time to do it.

    I have a stand I can leave the watch on to charge so it's at a nice angle to read, and even the phone I would prefer angled up so I could quickly glance to see in the morning if I have important messages waiting.

    So buy one of the many angled charging stations... I don't understand your complaint. Car analogy: I want to drive a sports car but I don't feel like getting a sports car and this is fundamentally the sport car's fault.

  54. Comment by WallyL · · Score: 1

    Wow, it worked! Never heard of it.

  55. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by Agripa · · Score: 1

    It's a lot slower than a wire. but the fundamental reason it really sucks is, THERE IS STILL A WIRE that goes to whatever wireless charging plate you have. I would way rather just have a small cable with me that I can plug into any USB slot, which are in quite a few places now, since I have to have a wire anyway.[/quote]

    I would not mind it to save wear and tear on the physical charging connection.

    The apple product in particular also did not seem very useful to me in that what I set stuff down by the bed at night I don't necessarily want everything flat. I have a stand I can leave the watch on to charge so it's at a nice angle to read, and even the phone I would prefer angled up so I could quickly glance to see in the morning if I have important messages waiting.

    Sounds like an opportunity to sell a second device.

    It is kind of funny to watch Apple stalinize a product though... it's like, dude, just admit it didn't work out!

    You can read some more details about the technology at the links below:

    https://appleinsider.com/artic...
    https://www.wirelesspowerconso...

    It looks to me like Apple got scammed because of lack of engineering review. The tests were only done under small signal conditions where efficiency on the transmitter's side is not a problem.

  56. Re:To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plu by Agripa · · Score: 1

    * It's not much slower than regular charging.

    True, but since there are times when you really need charging to be as rapid as possible I'd rather have every normal charging spot act at maximum speed - even for a bedside sometimes you want a quick charge while taking a nap. So I have the 13W charging blocks plugged into a few common charging places around the house.

    If only there was something they could do to prevent this problem like extending the operating time between charges with a larger battery. But that is impossible.

    * Not having to plug and unplug the wire really is a convenience.

    This is one aspect where I think Apple may have decided they just can't do a very good job eliminating common frustration, because it seems like with other flat chargers I've seen people use there's a small sweet spot where it's actually charging, and if the device gets moved off it's not charging, plus you have to take as much time as you would plugging in a cable to make sure it's in the right spot...

    There are inductive chargers which allow this but they are more complex and expensive because they implement an array of inductive couplers. Apple wanted something more complex yet which would allow charging of multiple devices on the same pad without restrictions.

  57. Re:To me it didn't seem more convenient than a plu by Agripa · · Score: 1

    That is a great point about charging bad having no stress, even though braided lightning cables hold up well over time I've absolutely had to get rid of cables that have died.

    Unless Apple is removing them now, their product reviews are filled with complaints about cables breaking or fraying.

  58. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The newer stuff coming out about this are pretty surprising - it's crazy to think they would think they were close enough to having a working product that they would break the wall of secrecy to announce, when it seems like they had a fundamentally unworkable heating problem.

    It seems like someone at a fairly high level is going to be in huge trouble over this, although we'll never hear of it out here.

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  59. Re:Probably because wireless charging inherently b by Agripa · · Score: 1

    The newer stuff coming out about this are pretty surprising - it's crazy to think they would think they were close enough to having a working product that they would break the wall of secrecy to announce, when it seems like they had a fundamentally unworkable heating problem.

    With companies jettisoning their engineering talent (or not listening to it because management knows better), I am not surprised at all. In the case of Apple, this is also reflected in their poor human factors engineering.

    It seems like someone at a fairly high level is going to be in huge trouble over this, although we'll never hear of it out here.

    I doubt it; it will be the fault of engineering even if engineering originally objected. Or maybe they will find someone in lower management to fall on their sword.