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Google-Funded Study Finds Cash Beats Typical Development Aid (wired.com)

Traditional international aid programs typically offer some combination of clean water, livestock, textbooks, and nutritional supplements. A new study funded by Google.org and the US Agency for International Development asks whether the poor would benefit more if they were given cash and free to spend the money as they see fit. Wired: Researchers had two goals: compare an established program to combat childhood malnutrition with giving people the equivalent value ($117 per month) in cash, and compare the cash equivalent to a much larger sum, $532 per month. After a year, results [PDF] released Thursday found that found that neither the established program nor its cash equivalent were able to improve child health, but the large cash transfers significantly improved people's health and financial standing. On the surface, that's not surprising. Of course giving people more than four times as much money gives them access to better nutrition. But the study's co-author Andrew Zeitlin, a professor from Georgetown, says the idea was to provide benchmarks for future programs; it's not unusual for nutritional aid programs to cost $500 or even $800 per month, he says.

The traditional malnutrition program, called Gikuriro, was funded by USAID and administered by Catholic Relief Services. It combined help with water, sanitation, and hygiene with training on nutrition, some small livestock and seeds, and guidance on financial habits like saving. The study focused on households with children under the age of 5 and women of reproductive age, with an emphasis on the first 1,000 days of the child's life. The results indicate that Gikuriro helped recipients increase their savings and increased overall health knowledge and vaccination rates in villages, two of the program's goals. However, neither the malnutrition program nor its cash equivalent led to a more diverse diet, or improved child health, as measured by height and weight. The larger cash transfer, on the other hand, led to improvements in food diversity, a drop in child mortality, an increase in household wealth, and improvements in child health measurements, as well as improvements in village vaccination rates.

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  1. This is pretty old news. by Nutria · · Score: 2

    Back in the 1980s, more than one study showed that the bureaucratic overhead of the multitude of welfare programs was stupendously high.

    Much cheaper to just give poor people the money.

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    1. Re:This is pretty old news. by Calydor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what I heard in the 90s was that giving money to the citizens of impoverished nations (let's be direct and say Africa here) just meant that the money ended up in the pockets of that country's government. Those guys had much less use of, say, a sack of goat feed.

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    2. Re:This is pretty old news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Economists have been beating politicians over the head with this for decades now.

      It's not even bureaucratic inefficiency and overhead that is the big problem, it's that these programs create bad incentives and market distortions that severely hamper the overall benefit.

      If you're going to give people money, just cut them a check. Evidence clearly shows that is leads to superior outcomes.

      The notion that you need to add strings to aid money is misguided, paternalistic, or even downright racist.

    3. Re:This is pretty old news. by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Yeah best case most of the money gets to the poor. Even then you're basically subsidizing the regime in that country by offsetting the negative consequences. Africa has me really worried. We're pouring money into it and causing their population to boom dramatically assuming that they'll continue industrializing and then reach a point of less than the replacement rate of 2.x children per woman. They'll reach 2+ billion people in 2035 or thereabout. We're assuming a European or Asian type response but Africans are their own people. I hope the doom and gloom is wrong but I'm expecting massive famines once the west cannot sustain food donations and then a migration crisis the likes of which the world has never known.

    4. Re: This is pretty old news. by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Fortunately you'll never be awarded enough responsibility to have to put your money where your stupid mouth is.

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    5. Re:This is pretty old news. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Much cheaper to just give poor people the money.

      Depends on what sort of "aid money" we're talking about. If you give cash to a third-world shithole, it ends up in the Swiss bank account of the dictator, and the people get nothing. The less marketable the aid, the less can be stolen by the government, so even if the aid itself is less use to the poor you're trying to help, they still came out ahead.

      Similar, giving cash to a drug addict will in no way help either the drug addict nor their starving children. But there's certainly efficiently in just giving people money, compared to giving them credits which can only buy "food", which is then spent to buy Coke/Pepsi, which is then sold to convenience stores at half the price paid. That's just wasteful and pointless, just give cash.

      The only problem with UBI replacing welfare is the amount would be too small, or too expensive. I'd definitely be OK with tossing all US "welfare" programs and sending everyone a check for $80/month instead, but I doubt it would fly.

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    6. Re:This is pretty old news. by butchersong · · Score: 1

      This is just silly. Lets consider South Africa. The place was uninhabitable without dutch ingenuity and irrigation systems and then it became the wealthiest country in Africa. Take a look at this link these are countries ranked by income from natural resources as percentage of GDP. Would you want to live in many of those top ranked countries? Natural resources do not correlate to wealth except tangentially. Japan has virtually no natural resources. Somalia? Congo... quite rich in them.

    7. Re:This is pretty old news. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      You heard wrong, because "aid to the government for the people" is radically different from "cash directly to the people".

      "Cash directly to the people" frequently doesn't *stay* with the people, and even less frequently does it acutally *go* to the people.

      Lets say there's an African state that receives charity (almost all do, but I'm going to go nameless on this): to give the cash directly to people who can spend it the US dollar is used to *buy* cash from the state, at which point the state merely prints worthless local currency and takes the dollars - "money" went to the people but it was the worthless local stuff while the state got the dollars/euros/etc.

      Option two: give people actual dollars. They trade it for local currency just so that they can spend it and the state prints extra local currency (thereby devaluing the currency) to swap for dollars - "money" went to the people while the state got the dollars/euros/etc.

      Option three: give people actual dollars, and they use it as a currency (no foreign currency conversion) in place of the local worthless currency. The state steps in and confiscates any dollars - "money" went to the people and then went to the state.

      I lived in Africa (various parts) for over 40 years. The best country was South Africa. The worst was all of them because they vied for that title and won it in different years. In almost all the African countries (barring three or four) the state is little more than a gang of armed thugs that perform shakedowns on the population.

      The west has been pouring aid into Africa for the last 60-odd years with almost no difference being made. At which point do you call it a loss?

      You want to know what happens with cash? It gets used to subjugate the population. Countries donate food and medicines because African rulers can't buy guns and landmines with corn and antibiotics.

      Who's responsible for all this? By and large it's the African people. The Chinese and Indians came out in droves and made massive investment in factories and industry through the 70s, 80s and 90s. Then the government steps in and nationalises all those industries while the population cheers them on. Then the investment dries up and the factories die out because the production comes to a halt under state management.

      The west media is ignoring the real problems because it does not gel with their narrative. For the last eight months in South Africa the ruling party has been in the news because they are attempting to change the constitution to allow them to confiscate farms from white farmers and redistribute that land to black people. The black population is mostly in agreement with this. There is no ambiguity - the South African news sites have been reporting this for eight months (or more).

      And yet, the only time the man in the street in the West hears about this is a few weeks ago when the western media jumped on something that Trump said and completely ignored the fact that the ruling party wants to confiscate land from white farmers, with the full approval of the black majority. In ten years when South Africa is starving because the confiscated farms were handed out to people who did not know how to farm, I can guarantee that the West will cry that South Africa is a victim of a colonialist past, and not that the rulers stayed in power by chasing away the food producers.

      Go live in Africa for a little while - it's a real eye-opener. All of the following can be found on the first page of a google search for the term +Africa:

      Same-sex relationships punishable by death.

      Blasphemy illegal and punishable by time in prison (or, in some African countries, whipping)

      Science and Tech regarded as an evil of colonialism by *university students*!!! They advocate studying how sangomas and witchcraft work instead (there's a video of this on youtube.

      Widespread belief that sex with a toddler will cure aids

      Circumcision performed as a tradition in the bush using unsterilised kniv

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    8. Re:This is pretty old news. by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I have very little experience with poor countries, but everything I've heard anecdotally leads me to believe that in practice it's likely that in most cases very little of the cash targeted for the poor will trickle down to them. It'll likely do wonders for the president for life, some ministers and the local Mercedes importer and his family though.

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    9. Re:This is pretty old news. by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I've done a lot of development work and I always though the most effective money spent was what I put into the local economy paying people for food, stuff, drivers, etc.

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    10. Re:This is pretty old news. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This is why they did the study rather than relying on gut instincts.

    11. Re:This is pretty old news. by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Well, that's a good point. I think it is the inverse of the first comment about European guilt in the extraction of resources but it is a significant problem I've heard in parts of Africa and obviously the middle east suffers from a form of this also. The Congo specifically has had some articles written about how it is cursed by its natural wealth. I have trouble though with the notion that we should rationalize African countries instabilities as being due at once either:

      a) to the extraction of resources we expropriated from them as colonies

      or when that fails

      b) they're so rich that they cannot succeed but anyway it is still probably due to colonialism.

    12. Re:This is pretty old news. by plopez · · Score: 1

      Nice racism you got there/ I bet your typical African street survivor has more "Sk1lz" than you do.

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  2. Sure by balsy2001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't this one of the basic ideas behind free markets. The invisible hand at work. Why should we assume that what someone from a third world country needs is a cow. I think avoiding cash is based on people's general tendency to want to control others. Don't want them to do something with their charity that they don't approve of with the money.

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    1. Re:Sure by werepants · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't this one of the basic ideas behind free markets. The invisible hand at work. Why should we assume that what someone from a third world country needs is a cow. I think avoiding cash is based on people's general tendency to want to control others. Don't want them to do something with their charity that they don't approve of with the money.

      Came here to say exactly this. Giving aid directly in the form of cash empowers the people on the ground to use it to best fulfill their needs. The biggest opponents of this kind of thing are the puritanical folks who don't want a single charitable dollar to be used for any non-necessary (in their opinion) expenses.

      That said - this kind of thing does need to be implemented thoughtfully, because it's easy to imagine that organized-crime types will find ways to exploit this to enrich themselves off of charitable giving. As with most things, it all comes down to diligence in the implementation.

    2. Re:Sure by lgw · · Score: 1, Insightful

      On the one hand, you are not helping a drug addict by giving them money. OTOH, so what? Anything you do give them just gets sold, and you're just making it less efficient for everyone else.

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    3. Re:Sure by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The biggest opponents of this kind of thing are the puritanical folks who don't want a single charitable dollar to be used for any non-necessary (in their opinion) expenses.

      The biggest opponents of this kind of thing are people who have worked with homeless, or mentally handicapped individuals who don't know how to handle money, or are taken advantage of. The modern welfare systems in the US and Europe do this because experience shows that if you want someone to have a roof over their head, the best way to do that is to put a roof over their head.

      That said - this kind of thing does need to be implemented thoughtfully, because it's easy to imagine that organized-crime types will find ways to exploit this to enrich themselves off of charitable giving. As with most things, it all comes down to diligence in the implementation.

      Well said. People need to realize that this study wasn't about the welfare system in the US. The situation on the ground in Rwanda is very different from the situation in New York City and the solutions will not be the same. We don't want a knee-jerk reaction that says "replace all welfare with cash" because we've been there before and that doesn't work.

    4. Re:Sure by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Anything you do give them just gets sold, and you're just making it less efficient for everyone else.

      If the government gives an addict money, the addict buys drugs. No question here really. But what if you pay their rent instead?

      If the government pays an addicts rent, then at least the addict has a house. To your point, the individual could rent that house out and use the money for drugs, but at least the addict has a house, and there is a resident, and the landlord gets rent. So now the landlord can afford to maintain the house, which maintains the housing value in that area. You also generally know where the addict is so you can keep an eye on them and you have an address to send them other assistance. You haven't done anything to stop the drug problem, but at least you didn't bring other people down.

      The worst-case is if you setup the addict with a lease, then pay them cash, then they don't pay the landlord. Now the landlord has a lease with no rent. So they don't maintain the house since they don't have money to do so, plus have to incur the legal costs of evicting the tenant. Then they sour to the entire process and they don't want to deal with government assistance programs. The unmaintained house loses value so the landlord can't rent it out to someone else. And the nearby houses lose value, so the entire neighborhood is affected. Ironically, if the house gets boarded up or repossessed by the bank then homeless people move into it and crime ensues. It's a negative spiral that goes out of control.

      Better to pay the rent than give them cash.

    5. Re:Sure by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      People aren't any different just because they are on the other side of the planet. I bet if I asked Rwandan nursing home worker, she would have an equally dire view of her own poor relations that I have of mine.

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    6. Re:Sure by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      I think avoiding cash is based on people's general tendency to want to control others. Don't want them to do something with their charity that they don't approve of with the money.

      Well, yeah. Whats the problem with that line of thought? Would you give charity to a pimp? Why not?

      Charity is voluntary, and if someone wants to make sure that someone else eats (by giving food) that's fine. If they want to make sure that someone else eats but does not trust that recipient to buy food, where's the problem?

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    7. Re:Sure by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      I think avoiding cash is based on people's general tendency to want to control others.

      We used to (and still do) give people lots of cash. The problem is that it isn't spent sustainably. The idea behind giving them livestock is that livestock can create a sustainable source of income. This study found that neither approach actually addressed the thing that they are actually trying to solve. The study doesn't conclude that we should just give people cash. It concludes that neither approach solves the underlying problems, so we need to try something else.

    8. Re:Sure by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      I bet if I asked Rwandan nursing home worker, she would have an equally dire view of her own poor relations that I have of mine.

      *facepalm* They don't HAVE nursing homes in Rwanda.

      To a Rwandan, the idea of putting your elderly parents in a facility is abhorrent. They love their parents, and they would go poor rather than give them to someone else to care for. The idea of a "nursing home" as you might see in the US would be alien to them. You imagine a place where professional nurses change elderly diapers, take them to the hospital upon emergencies, give them their medication, and resuscitate 70-year-old grandma if they have a heart attack. In Rwanda, children clean their parents soiled clothes, don't have hospitals nearby, or medication to give them, and since their life expectancy is 15 years shorter than in the US they don't spend a fortune resuscitating grandma and giving her heart stent so she lives another 5 years.

      People aren't any different just because they are on the other side of the planet.

      I recommend traveling to the other side of the planet and finding out. Things are more different than you seem to realize.

    9. Re:Sure by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The homeless industrial complex is just as self serving as any other group of people.

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    10. Re:Sure by balsy2001 · · Score: 1

      The study was looking at international poverty, not pimps. A better discussion might be should we give abused wmen cash to escape the situations they are in.

      I didn’t say there was a problem, you are obviously free to do what you want. I wouldn’t even say that sending food is bad in any way. Maybe it isn’t the best way to maximize improvement in their lives. However, maybe that isn’t what people are going for.

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    11. Re:Sure by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      The study was looking at international poverty, not pimps.

      Who cares - if you are going to attach your morality to your donation you don't get to complain when others do the same.

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    12. Re:Sure by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      For a long time, and still in effect, is a strong paternalistic approach to aid. The aid recipients are treated more like children unable to handle their own affairs. If a small US business asked for a loan then they'd get a cash payment if approved; but for foreign aid that money comes with heavy requirements, restrictions, and hurdles. Then add in political nonsense and you're forbidden from using that money for sex ed and other things some senators find controversial.

    13. Re:Sure by balsy2001 · · Score: 1

      I didn’t attach any morality to my post, just observation on behavior. However, you just seem to have admitted to the point I was making.

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    14. Re:Sure by lgw · · Score: 1

      If the government pays an addict's rent, the addict rents out the place (perhaps to 6 other addicts) and uses the money to buy drugs. That's the world of an addict - there's nothing you can give him that won't be sold to buy drugs, at some point in the downward spiral.

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    15. Re:Sure by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      How about instead we give them a free room in a nice monitored location and they undergo treatment for their addictions? That way we know for damn sure where they are and where they're going to shit.

    16. Re:Sure by mentil · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of how it was found that when poor Africans were given mosquito netting to help combat malaria, the netting was was used as fish nets instead. Presumably they wanted fish to eat/sell more than they wanted to avoid malaria, which is probably reasonable if they were undernourished. If cash were given to them, they'd have bought (more effective) fish nets in the first place instead of mosquito nets.

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    17. Re:Sure by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      We do that. The limitations are:
      1) Money
      2) It is voluntary.
      3) It is not terribly effective when the person is mentally handicapped or has no education or job skills.
      It's tough.

  3. So you're telling me... by Toxiz · · Score: 1

    Large cash transfers significantly improved poor people's financial standing. How much did this study cost?

    1. Re:So you're telling me... by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, they're telling you that giving cash directly to people in need improves their lives more than giving a similar amount of indirect charity.

  4. Re:the poors could get a job maybe by presidenteloco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So when you get automated out of a job (hypothetical but will be real for say 50% of non-lazy, average competent people soon), would you want your employer who automated your work, and still makes profits, to pay a tax on profit that gives you a bit of universal basic income? Or not?

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  5. Derp derp by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Give a third worlder $100 worth of food aid, you are transferring that much food from the US. Give them $100 to spend on food and they added $100 to the local economy in the food service industry (such as it exists).

    So crazy it's just common sense.

    1. Re:Derp derp by lgw · · Score: 1

      Give them $100 in cash and their dictator gets $100 and they get nothing.

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    2. Re:Derp derp by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Yes, sure, but how then will we make a profit with our charity?

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    3. Re:Derp derp by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Give a third worlder $100 worth of food aid, you are transferring that much food from the US.

      That statement sounds logical, but it isn't what this study was about. They were not buying food at US prices then sending it over to Rwanda. They were buying things like livestock and seeds, at overseas prices, and giving them to the participants, along with training on how to use them.

    4. Re:Derp derp by mentil · · Score: 1

      Summary contradicts you. There were measurable improvements to their lives. Promises of future money can be used to obtain transportation away from the ones stealing your money; or bodyguards to protect you from them. Digital wallets can be used to prevent graft, rather than sending paper bills.

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  6. "Free Markets" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What's with people using the phrase "free market" when talking about direct government intervention.

    a) Well run aid organizations (yes, there are several) have local people who understand what the local people need. Rich westerners may buy another water system or some such shit, but rich white people throwing money doesn't work.
    b) Directly giving cash to the poor works has been demonstrated to work much better in a very small scale,
    c) Directly giving cash to the poor creates horrible inflation on the medium and large scale
    d) directly giving cash to the poor gets it stolen by the local tyrants on the medium and large scale.
    e) importing food damages agricultural economies

    What's worked so far on a macro scale? Killing thieving dictators and replacing them with less corrupt dicatators is marginal, education helps in many cultures, cell phones are huge, as they lead to women's rights. ,

    1. Re:"Free Markets" by omnichad · · Score: 1

      c) Directly giving cash to the poor creates horrible inflation on the medium and large scale

      This is the major flaw here. And will there be enough food to actually sell at that scale? Suddenly there's a market for more food that wasn't actually grown/raised - nobody is going to create food that will otherwise go to waste.

    2. Re:"Free Markets" by balsy2001 · · Score: 1

      Just because a government institution is providing help doesn’t mean there arent market forces at play.

      No markets are actually free, I use it as a short hand for the idea that maximizing people’s choices tends to provide better results. Instead of me telling someone what they need to improve their lives, let them decide.

      Your points about scale are well made.

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  7. misunderstood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This doesn't mean that cash makes for very good aid, it just means aid programs suck so badly, that even giving the aid as cash is better than what they are doing. Handing out cash is still a lousy way to help anyone.

    1. Re:misunderstood by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Handing out cash is still a lousy way to help anyone.

      Yup. It's the worst, except for all the others.

  8. Being responsible with my resource Do they want it by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I'm going to agree with you in part and disagree in part.

    > Isn't this one of the basic ideas behind free markets. The invisible hand at work. Why should we assume that what someone from a third world country needs is a cow.

    One should certainly at least ASK someone what they need and want before spending a lot of money getting them something that they might not even want.

    There can also be an arrogance among certain communities in the west where think they know better what people need. They feel sorry for people in a condescending way. I've encountered that with my daughter. "Poor little black girl needs my help" kind of crap, when what she needs is for them to get out of the way and shut the F up.

    > I think avoiding cash is based on people's general tendency to want to control others. Don't want them to do something with their charity that they don't approve of with the money.

    For many years my largest area of giving was helping alcoholics and drug addicts. I've put in a lot of my time and my money helping people get clean and start a new life. Some people decide to spend their money buying themselves a new car, some special their time gardening. I decide rather than buying myself a new car, I'd rather help someone who is in a desperate situation get treatment. I don't use my money to buy myself Starbucks and I don't use it to buy them heroin. I make those decisions because I am responsible for controlling how I spend my resources, not because I want to control other people.

    If someone doesn't want to be sober, that's their business. I have no interest in forcing them go to treatment. I won't use my money to give them for crack and meth because I'm responsible for how I spend my money.

    As someone else pointed out, in Africa and Central America, donated cash is sometimes used to buy machine guns and land mines. If I choose to use my resources to buy food to share, not land mines, that means I'm being responsible with my resources, not trying to control someone else. I'll never force someone to eat the food I bought to share, only offer it to them.

  9. CORRECTION by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Informative

    the cash equivalent to a much larger sum, $532 per month

    The Wired.com article contains a footnote that says:
    CORRECTION, Sept. 14, 2:55PM: Recipients in the study who got cash received $117 or $532. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said they received those amounts per month.

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  10. Yes, well... by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    The catch is: if you give out cash, you have to be willing to say "no", if the recipient comes back a day later, having blown the cash on something stupid.

    Numerous other attempts have shown: a lot of people will take your cash, and blow it on stupid stuff. Then, they are screwed all over again, having blowing their month's food budget on lottery tickets, or cigarettes, or whatever.

    At that point, you have three choices: either give them even more (stupid, stupid), or take away their control by restricting what they can buy (the usual choice), or let causes have consequence - i.e. let them starve until next month. Personally, I'm all for the latter - humas are *supposed* to be smart - but this is apparently not an option....

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    1. Re:Yes, well... by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Hopefully, as long as the money stays in the local cigarettes/booze/hookers/blow economy, it's still there to circulate. Buy one iPhone, though ...

  11. Don't generalize this to welfare by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Be careful applying the results of this study to the welfare situation in Europe and America. This money was a one-time payment to very poor nations with limited infrastructure. The temptation to oversimplify this into "just give welfare recipients cash instead of assistance programs" ignores the reality of the situation on the ground in these nations.

    I used to believe that just giving people money directly was better. I assumed that welfare recipients were mostly people who got stuck in a rut, and just need help getting out, and they can make better decisions about how to spend their money than some big a government organization. Then, I met actually poor and homeless people, talked to the councilors who work with them, and realized how naive I was. The situation is much more complex than the politically-charged stories of someone whose job was replaced by automation. Those are great for putting politicians in office but not for helping people on the street.

    There are lots of people who, given a sum of money, have no idea what to do with it. They don't have sufficient math skills to budget, or sufficient literacy to read and understand and pay their bills. A significant portion of welfare recipients have poor education, mental health problems, or drug addiction. As such they are "reactive" with money. They throw it at the thing that has the most short term benefit. So, for example, they might pay their electric bill, then by a new TV, then some drugs, then fall behind on their rent. To help with this, lots of these programs pay the bill directly, or take the form of discounts by paying the bills partially. That way, the person can't choose to spend the money on a TV since the check went straight to the landlord. Or if the rent appears to be so much cheaper, so they are more likely to pay it. Some people take checks to check cashing locations that take 10% off the top. If you live on the poverty level, a 10% hit like that id destructive! So instead the programs give them bank accounts or ATM cards or specialty welfare cards. In Europe and the US much of the welfare state is aimed at these individuals with mental health problems who really can't manage the cash on their own. Giving them cash is disastrous.

    An example of this that doesn't involve mental health problems is with young NFL players. The NFL realized that when someone comes straight out of college and gets a multi-million dollar salary, they tend to spend it on hookers and blow. So the NFL began a program of training players how to save and invest. If that seems obvious, consider the humor of walking into the local tax office with a 1040EZ form that shows income of $1 million, showing that you owe the government 20% of that. That's a holy !@#$ wake-up moment that most people don't think about. Similar problems happen with child actors or young musicians.

    It's good that we are doing these studies, but I see a lot of responses say "See, we knew all along that giving people cash was better." BUI FTW! But that isn't really what this study is showing us, and we have lots of experience that got us to the system we have today.

    1. Re: Don't generalize this to welfare by Kjella · · Score: 1

      You are saying then education is the best solution.

      Well that was one of three:

      A significant portion of welfare recipients have poor education, mental health problems, or drug addiction.

      And that's assuming poor education was because they never had the chance and not that they'd flunk it. There's a lot of people who're functional enough that you wouldn't want to put them in institutionalized care but who just aren't very bright or not stable enough to hold down a job. Some people really need their fixed costs subtracted and then a daily "allowance", they really do need to be treated more like teens than adults but not quite like toddlers. I know the plural of anecdote is not data but I know at least two that are on welfare where honestly I don't see more education making any difference.

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    2. Re:Don't generalize this to welfare by Dorianny · · Score: 1
      Drug use among welfare recipients is very low around %3.6 which is far lower then the %8 of general population thought to use drugs. "Talking to the councilors" you will get a oven-representation of drug use as those are the sort of difficult cases they deal with most

      I will agree with you on one thing, our mental-healthcare system is extremely underfunded. We need to do more, especially for the most vulnerable

    3. Re:Don't generalize this to welfare by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Man, if you said this on facebook, twitter, or YouTube you'd be banned. How is it dog whistle racism like this doesn't get deleted from Slashdot?

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    4. Re:Don't generalize this to welfare by s4080326 · · Score: 1

      One thing that appears to be common to all programs that use financial incentives is that if you want to have a genuine impact it is better to go short and fast rather than slow and steady. Slow and steady just supports the status quo but a quick change cause disruption which can make things better or worse. Instead of providing an extra $20 a week you give a one-time payment of $1000. The extra $20 will just get absorbed into the budget and dissapear but the $1000 will allow the recipient to pay off debt's to avoid the pay-day loan tax. Or by a new set of appliances to reduce ongoing power costs and allow for better home cooking. Now some people might just blow the $1000 on a new TV or a week-long bender but they would have just blown the $20 a month anyway.

  12. Re: the poors could get a job maybe by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    Yeah but here's the thing.
    The tech is getting better and better, some would say exponentially, but we can just say, real fast, on a year by year basis.

    People are getting better too, but on a 100,000 year by 100,000 year evolutionary basis.

    You do the math.

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  13. Even RMS has a policy of not giving cash to pan... by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > Fortunately you'll never be awarded enough responsibility to have to put your money where your stupid mouth is.

    That's just a lame way of saying that you don't have a useful counter argument. In real life, foreign aid gets funneled through multiple intermediaries. ANY of these can skim or steal the whole thing.

    Having a fat wad of cash is dangerous in any poor area. You don't need to have gone to Africa to understand this. Some less than "privileged" life experience could have clued you in to this.

    Beyond that, we have ample examples from lottery winners of what happens when you give people money when they aren't used to having it.

    Again, even those extreme examples aren't even really necessary if you aren't hiding in the suburbs with your head up your ass.

    I can point to personally observed examples of poor people being retarded with their money.

    Even RMS has a policy of not giving cash to panhandlers.

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  14. Give them $100 worth of food... by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    Give them $100 in cash and their dictator gets $100 and they get nothing.

    And give them $100 worth of food and the dictator just bought a good meal for his army. That's how it works.

    1. Re:Give them $100 worth of food... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but it's a bit less fungible. Put in a water pump and that hard to sell off. Medical care is tricky - any drugs are immediately stolen and sold, but training locals to be first responders can be a real help. Teaching people to read can also be a big win, and subtle blow to dictators and theocrats. Doubly so teaching girls to read in shitholes where that's outlawed.

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  15. You know what they say by doconnor · · Score: 1

    You know what they say, it's better 1,000 kids starve then allow one person to misuse the money.

  16. Fine for the recipients, but ... by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

    How do we get to feel superior if we can't tell them exactly what to do with the money?

  17. Assumes Money is not Stolen by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    The reason we stopped giving money is because it was being confiscated by corrupt governments and used to fund terrorism of the local populations.

    Giving food, etc, means the help is far more likely to go to the people.

    The real issue is corrupt governments and we're not about to dispense of them. That's called "colonialism."

    Without property rights and security, there is little good that can come with sending cash.

  18. They said the same thing about food aid by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    that soldiers would just come and take it. The say basically the same thing about welfare and food stamps (e.g. that the money never makes it to the ones that need it). They use the same logic to argue against minimum wage increases; e.g. that it'll just raise inflation.

    They want you to accept the world as is. That nothing you ever do or try will make the slightest difference. Funny thing is this study says cash is more effective, but that must mean that both cash and food aid are effective, since you can't study how effective something is if it isn't.

    One thing I know for certain: cash or food they're both cheaper to drop than bombs. And right now we're bombing a hell of a lot of poor countries.

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    1. Re:They said the same thing about food aid by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      When you make sweeping statements about "they", you're just lamenting that everyone else doesn't believe in the same things you do in the same ratios.

  19. Here's an evil idea by presidenteloco · · Score: 2

    Give them trackable stablecoins.

    Recipient must click to agree to tracking of those funds through the economy.

    (See corruption in action, or not as the case may be)

    Learn.
    Optimize.
    Repeat.

    Profit?

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  20. Re:HEY SEO RANKINGS CRIMINAL MSMASH by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    You're right. Any common idiot does "know" that.

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  21. Re:Being responsible with my resource Do they want by balsy2001 · · Score: 1

    I agree dealing with adicts is a different kind of problem, the study appears to be focused on international poverty. Maybe they aren’t comparable topics.

    I also agree there are places where putting cash out there might not be the best idea, but warlords can just take the food, water, cows etc. too.

    General question is what is the point of charity. Everyone can have thier own answer, I would just like mine to provide the maximum benefit to improve lives/minimize suffering.

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  22. Re:the poors could get a job maybe by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    Personally? Maybe. Certainly sounds nice. But it should go away eventually. Because I don't want to keep paying the people who used to dig ditches when I want a backhoe to lay my fiber for me. I don't want to have to pay money towards a typists's pension fund every time I write a bash shell script to sendmail. I don't want the abacus union to take their cut whenever I use excel. Technology disrupts established institutions like... paying people to drive trucks. "Trucker" as a job title, will likely start to fade away once self-driving trucks are a thing. That SUCKS.... for truckers. For anyone who likes to buy things that get shipped around on trucks (ie, everyone else), it's a good thing. But it DOES suck for the truckers who lost their job.

    So we have unemployment benefits. If you get let go, you CONTINUE TO GET PAID. At least a little bit. For a while. And that's to help you with transitioning you to a new job. To supplement the savings which everyone should have to tide them over. This is real. Current. Here and now. If you didn't know about this then you should step WAY BACK from taking about UBI and socio-economic policy. If technological disruption makes it so it's not a matter of finding a new job in the industry, but retraining and going to a new industry, then unemployment benefits for industries facing automation should get a bigger check for a little longer. So they can go to tech school, college, start a business, or otherwise get the fuck out of the industry that no longer needs them.

    This money comes through payroll taxes, (and industry specific bonuses should be industry specific) so it ALREADY IS PAID by the companies letting people go.

    UBI is a pipe-dream. Even if you treat it as a replacement for ALL welfare, and convert ALL military spending, you're still only looking at a monthly UBI check around $200/mo. And that might sound super-great to the dregs of society. But it's horrific to anyone actually receiving welfare. And it's, not chump change, but not much to anyone in that 53% that pays more than they recieve between taxes and welfare. And oh yeah, we wouldn't have a military. Which could be a problem in the long-run. If you get into..... revolutionary type stuff, you could default on all the non-discretionary spending. Like social security. The monthly check is more like $800/mo. But this is literally stealing from Grandpa and breaking promises. It's revolutionary in the sense that the social contract is broken and there's fire and blood in the street.

  23. Re:the poors could get a job maybe by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

    So when you have three jobs and are still one of the "poors", now what?

    I eagerly await your insistence that this is not possible, despite it happening to millions of people.

  24. Re:the poors could get a job maybe by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    This is a development program. It's not going to people out of work from the auto industry, it's going to third world developing countries. Not enough food to go around, with more people than available jobs (all of which are in the city rather than rural villages).

  25. Re: Job opening up soon by mcl630 · · Score: 1

    This article is about people in 3rd world countries... only the wealthiest in those places would have access to video games.

  26. Depends on who gets the cash by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    If you give the cash to the men, it tends to get spent on drink and parties, whereas if it goes to women with kids, it tends to get invested in small business and improving the family's health.

    And stolen sometimes.

    What was your end goal?

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  27. Rocketted, I say! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    In an unrelated story, Apple announced their sales in Rawanda skyrocketted last year.

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  28. You're wrong, also FUCKING MISLEADING HEADLINE by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    For Fuck's Sake Slashdot. Fix your damn headlines.

    Google's experiment showed no difference between $117 in cash, and $117 in stuff. However, it turns out, $534 in cash gives a much better outcome. The result isn't "cash is much better than stuff." It's "$117 isn't enough, and you really need to get closer to $534."

    It's sad that, since this information was in the fucking summary no one read it. But to have self-congratulatory backslapping about the free-market is nonsense on top of that. The free market is good for many things. While it may be better in a charity context, the ability to prevent short term spending (candy, not potatoes), purchase in bulk, get larger donations of goods instead of cash, react to more macro trends, may make it better to ship goods. I mean, the free market should definitely decide a lot of things. But it's not at all clear it has a place with charitable relief.

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  29. Jobs instead ! by stooo · · Score: 1

    Don't give free stuff. It will not be used respectfully.
    Don't give cash. It will not be used sustainably.

    Give jobs and allow a working industrial economy to take place. That's the only sustainable thing to do.

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  30. Read 'Utopia for Realists' by ET3D · · Score: 1

    A number of researches have shown that it applies very well to welfare. It helps much more than other welfare systems (which have little benefit) and has much clearer results for reduced crime, increased education, helping people find work, etc.

    I'm sure that it won't solve all cases, but it will solve a lot more cases then current welfare systems do, and will cost less.

  31. What will non-profit workers do? by mveloso · · Score: 1

    By cutting out the middleman you will be putting tens of thousands of white NGO workers on the dole. Why would you want to do that?

  32. Re:the poors could get a job maybe by BeanThere · · Score: 1

    But the money has to come from somewhere. If a family in a village gets $500 per month and that comes from taxing me $500, then I have $500 less per month, and if my kids get sick I might no longer be able to afford their healthcare, or I may no longer be able to afford to send them to University. We do not yet live in a post-scarcity where machines produce everything for us; we still live in a society where to give to A we must take from B. These studies show benefits to the recipients of the welfare, that's great, but that's only one side of the coin, why don't these studies show where a middle-class family under pressure that are paying the welfare bill can no longer afford their own kids health or education.