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Some Northern California Cities Are Blocking Deployment of 5G Towers (techcrunch.com)
Hkibtimes tipped us off to some interesting news from TechCrunch:
The Bay Area may be the center of the global technology industry, but that hasn't stopped one wealthy enclave from protecting itself from the future. The city council of Mill Valley, a small town located just a few miles north of San Francisco, voted unanimously late last week to effectively block deployments of small-cell 5G wireless towers in the city's residential areas. Through an urgency ordinance, which allows the city council to immediately enact regulations that affect the health and safety of the community, the restrictions and prohibitions will be put into force immediately for all future applications to site 5G telecommunications equipment in the city. Applications for commercial districts are permitted under the passed ordinance....
According to the city, it received 145 pieces of correspondence from citizens voicing opposition to the technology, compared to just five letters in support of it -- a ratio of 29 to 1. While that may not sound like much, the city's population is roughly 14,000, indicating that about 1% of the population had voiced an opinion on the matter. Blocks on 5G deployments are nothing new for Marin County, where other cities including San Anselmo and Ross have passed similar ordinances designed to thwart 5G expansion efforts over health concerns... The telecom industry has long vociferously denied a link between antennas and health outcomes, although California's Department of Public Health has issued warnings about potential health effects of personal cell phone antennas. Reduced radiation emissions from 5G antennas compared to 4G antennas would presumably further reduce any health effects of this technology.
The article concludes that restrictions like Mill Valley's "will make it nearly impossible to deploy 5G in a timely manner."
According to the city, it received 145 pieces of correspondence from citizens voicing opposition to the technology, compared to just five letters in support of it -- a ratio of 29 to 1. While that may not sound like much, the city's population is roughly 14,000, indicating that about 1% of the population had voiced an opinion on the matter. Blocks on 5G deployments are nothing new for Marin County, where other cities including San Anselmo and Ross have passed similar ordinances designed to thwart 5G expansion efforts over health concerns... The telecom industry has long vociferously denied a link between antennas and health outcomes, although California's Department of Public Health has issued warnings about potential health effects of personal cell phone antennas. Reduced radiation emissions from 5G antennas compared to 4G antennas would presumably further reduce any health effects of this technology.
The article concludes that restrictions like Mill Valley's "will make it nearly impossible to deploy 5G in a timely manner."
...wait until they learn about something called The Sun...
they will probably have a change of heart.
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Look up the Inverse square law, Einstein-san. Also - They didn't "ban" 5g, they said they don't want it on light poles in dense residential areas. They still allow it downtown on office buildings. TFS is wrong.
inverse square law is your friend.
Cell companies think they have the right to put their ugly crap wherever they want, and inundate people with RF who might not necessarily appreciate it, right or wrong. Glad that Mill Valley is not knuckling under to the bullies.
I had a customer spouting this stuff to me the other day. Super nice person, but "it changes your blood" and "It damages your mitochondrial dna" was among the stuff I heard. I wonder what the cancer incidence is among cell tower workers is though. All I can google is "They often die by falling." Gee, thanks, Cracked.
...never land on cell towers? What does that tell you?
I'm perfectly okay with that. They can change their mind any time they want 5G. I'm sure Verizon will be happy to oblige. A wealthy enclave of 14,000 people is not going to hold up the deployment of 5G anywhere, but their own little community.
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
If you are worried about radiation, you need to read up about something we refer to as The Sun.,,
Locust voters - they destroy their own area, so flee to another region only to fuck it up all the same with their same ignorant socialist preferences.
Life is not for the lazy.
they dynamically use the minimum power, whether for transmitting or receiving that allows for low error communication.
The biggest radiation threat is with the transmitter on your phone next to your head. Therefore you want your phone to be as close as possible to the cell tower so that it emits the least radiation.
Excellent, let the luddites continue to fall behind.
Damn thing or cable because
Ask the idiots who wrote in and on Mill Valley city council what the difference is, and if they have scientific evidence corroborating health dangers.
This is the most aggravating thing about California...it's all about science until it isn't.
Ah yes, the people fleeing California trope so ever so popular on the right and in the meme-hyping media. In the reality-based world however amazingly few Californians leave the state (the OC Register is a famously right-wing newspaper BTW). In the 2010-2015 period studied no state had a lower per-capita movement rate than California, with an out-migration rate of 1.55%. Since that time the rate has increased, and is currently slightly above the national average (which is 2.3%).
Of course with the largest population of any state (one in 8 Americans) even a low, or average, rate is a relatively large number of people, due to simple arithmetic. But California is a high-income state (8th, 5th if you take out low population resource extraction economy states) with a diverse high-tech economy, and even with the current out-migration its population is still growing (despite the fact that the undocumented population isn't - so that's not why), and the real dynamic is that young(ish) people are coming into California for the jobs and salaries, and retired people are leaving.
This is a very healthy dynamic for California. Let Florida be the place where people go to die, and vote against education and the environment since they don't care about the future. Enjoy that red tide Floridians.
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
waaaa we cant "innovate" (read, be greedy and make money). nimby is hurting us! legislate our business model! we're entitled!
Whenever my phone rings, by nipples tingle.
Towers will not be allowed in residential areas but will be allowed in commercial areas.
So if there were actual health concerns I will be exposed at work and what about the folks with property adjacent to commercial locations where towers are allowed? How do you keep the RF from crossing zoning boundaries?
I think this is about money,
This effectively diverts the income stream from site leases to only those with commercial property.
Too bad for the people who want bitchen 5G coverage.
And it sucks for the residential property owners loss of possible income.
Rick B.
Reduced radiation emissions from 5G antennas compared to 4G antennas would presumably further reduce any health effects of this technology.
Enjoy your greatly increased exposure to "reduced radiation emissions" that you'll be getting from small-cell 5G placed everywhere.
Of course, any worries about microwave and millimeter wave emissions causing harm to anyone or anything are total bullshit.
Is 5G technology dangerous? Early data shows a slight increase of tumors in male rats exposed to cellphone radiation
2.45GHz Microwave Radiation Impairs Learning and Spatial Memory via Oxidative/Nitrosative Stress Induced p53-Dependent/Independent Hippocampal Apoptosis: Molecular Basis and Underlying Mechanism.
Idiot, if you break down and read they are only stopping them from going up on existing light and power poles. There are ZERO residential leases for these towers. Your straw man can't fap fast enough to set itself on fire, sorry.
So many fringe people in California one has to wonder is it the water causing so many crazy ideals from anti immunizations to all sorts of radical ideals about everything causing some health issue. Just glad I don't live there, and have to deal with these idiots making decisions for the rest of us.
This is why it is California's great pride to contribute so much to the federal budget, and take so little in return. CA keeps other, poorer states solvent when absent that help, those states would not be able to fund their social welfare recipients. What a great state, so unselfish and willing to help. Other states would take a transactional attitude: I did for you, now you do for me. Fortunately the good people of California don't believe in that kind of right wing bullshit. To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities. The founding statement of socialism, which California is firmly putting into practice.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Perhaps there's a reason why a cellphone tower can't be somewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
None of that changes the fact that cell towers put out orders of magnitude more power than phones, and being near them is an associated risk that much greater despite your dithering about power levels.
You're unsuccessfully obfuscating from the fact that being near a cell tower you get more radiation than having a phone nearby. Fact, period.
I don't know whether localities can impose such restrictions.
None of that changes the fact that cellphones and cellphone towers put out low level non ionizing radiation which does not cause any negative health effects.
Sorry, that doesn't change the fact that being near the tower you get a much larger dose than you do from being near even a cluster of phones, so you're just wrong about that. There are zones where either is true, but being near to a tower = a larger dose than being near to a phone, period, and I don't expect you to understand basic shit or research the issue but I install RF equipment for a living and you don't know what you're talking about. Being near a transmission tower = more RF radiation by a long way than any group of phones, and it's 24/7 on as opposed to a phone by your ear for an hour. Don't be a moron please, we have plenty of denialist shills around without you being a know-nothing blatherer also.
Your quoted study found that it affects male rats but not female rats. Even without looking at their methodology, that tells me one of two things is going on. Either:
1. Their study is crap, and there's no actual effect, or
2. Miniscule changes in brain chemistry can have a significant impact on this effect, which means the results are useless when it comes to figuring out effects on humans.
Either way it doesn't tell us anything useful. Unless you're really really worried about the health of male rats.
"Still, the results add to the evidence that cell phone signals might potentially impact human health."
"The study found that when people had an active cell phone held up to their ear for 50 minutes, brain tissues on the same side of the head as the phone used more glucose than did tissues on the other side of the brain. Glucose is a sugar that normally serves as the brain’s fuel. Glucose use goes up in certain parts of the brain when it is in use, such as when we are thinking, speaking, or moving. The possible health effect, if any, from the increase in glucose use from cell phone energy is unknown."
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cellular-phones.html
Go stick your head in a microwave if you're so sure it's harmless, c6 faggot.
....would ever land on a cell tower. Especially an Irish bird.
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Blessed be the fruit.
And the poster should post a peer-reviewed study involving humans, not rats. The last big rat study posted here was flawed as the comments indicate.
Can California just have it's huge earthquake and slide off under the Pacific NOW?
Nothing of any real importance will be lost.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The statute also preempts local decisions premised directly or indirectly on the environmental effects of radio frequency (RF) emissions, assuming that the provider is in compliance with the Commission's RF rules.
In other words, ban what you want - but the FCC will ignore your ban and you have no legal standing as a city/town/State to say "we're worried about RF emissions" and use that as any part of the justification in banning new cell towers/sites.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
If 5G and wireless is so dangerous, why doesn't Mill Valley ban all cellular base stations?
Locust voters
Thank you for this new moniker - I think it is a brilliant metaphor!
You are the most self righteous ignorant asshole yet on Slashdot. And that includes the GNAA guy.
I can't say that they are 5G, but there are a lot of cabinet boxes on telephone poles with antenna sprouting up around my neighborhood (urban area). One concern I would have is the noise...these have the electric hum of a transformer, with also a noticeable fan making noise. I see people's second/third floor apartments very close to these poles/cabinets and I think I would find the constant background noise to be super annoying.
If Mill Valley doesn't want 5G, then that's their right as a town. Hear the pros and cons and vote on it, or have their elected representatives do the same. Even if their reasoning is ludicrous, that's their right. I find it surprising that the some in the Slashdot crowd feel like it's in Verizon/Comcast/ATT's 'inalienable' right to force themselves on a community. Ooo faster Facebook. Tweets in half the time.
Or will the corporations pull the 'First Responder' trump card and say 5G is necessary for emergency services.
Get back in the welfare line, whiny red state faggot. California will feed your pathetic impoverished uneducated white nazi punk ass, not that you deserve it really..
Ah yes, the people fleeing California trope so ever so popular on the right and in the meme-hyping media.
It's not a 'trope'. I just checked uhaul. To rent a 26' truck for six days from Austin to San Francisco costs $1150. To go from San Francisco to Austin, the same truck costs $4380. The rates are similar for other states to/from San Fran. Why do you think that is, huh? The rich love CA because they can afford it, the poor are stuck there, but the middle class is renting uhaul trucks to escape.
I wish I had mod ooints to mod up the parent.
Sorry, that doesn't change the fact that being near the tower you get a much larger dose than you do from being near even a cluster of phones, so you're just wrong about that. There are zones where either is true, but being near to a tower = a larger dose than being near to a phone, period, and I don't expect you to understand basic shit or research the issue but I install RF equipment for a living and you don't know what you're talking about.
Every doubling of distance results in 4x reduction of energy density. Distance matters more than people tend to intuitively understand.
Assume a cell tower is 100ft AGL and you happen to be standing right under it.
100 watt transmitter with 10 dB gain @ 100 ft distance = 0.008 mW/cm^2
1000 watt transmitter with 10 dB gain @ 100 ft distance = 0.085 mW/cm^2
10000 watt transmitter with 10 dB gain @ 100 ft distance = 0.856 mW/cm^2
Assume you are 10 ft from a small cell tower /w 100 watt transmitter attached to a pole or roof of a building.
100 watt transmitter with 10 dB gain @ 10 ft distance = 0.856 mW/cm^2
Now lets compare with cell phone.
1 watt cell phone transmitter with 0 dB gain @ 1" distance = 12.340 mW/cm^2
1" distance does not actually occur in nature They are kept in pockets or pressed up to ears. The same setup at a half inch is 49.363 mW/cm^2
Obviously RL is much more complicated actual transmit power, duty cycles and exposure vary wildly. Thru it all distance is the dominating factor.
Someone did the math for us.
https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...
Ionizing radiation isn't what we're talking about nor the "only" way to get cancers, obfuscation artist faggot Bill. But you knew that, you dishonest cunt apologist shill. Putin's cock isn't going to suck itself, faggot. Get on it.
You lefty loonies are certainly obsessed with homosexual behavior. I hate to break this to you but men sucking other men's cocks is pretty rare among the demographics you seek to denigrate. On the other hand, the demographics you represent seem to have a lot of it. You guys are known for trying to mainstream and protect it even.
Citation please. Who says rental vehicles have to be registered in Texas? I picked one up that was registered in CA. In any event, lets pick a different destination. Peoples Republic of San Fran to Boise ID is $3375. Boise to San Fran utopia is $646.
The telecom industry has long vociferously denied a link between antennas and health outcomes, although California's Department of Public Health has issued warnings about potential health effects of personal cell phone antennas.
Cell tower antennas are much different from personal cell phone antennas - one is on top of a tower and pointed towards the horizon, the other is typically between 1" to 6" away from your body/head.
Obviously, the antenna within a few inches of your body is the greater threat, but they want to eliminate the comparatively safe cell towers because it makes them "feel" like they've done something "for the children".
Ken
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1711.03683.pdf
I. INTRODUCTION
It is acknowledged that exposure to RF has negative impacts
on human body. The rapid proliferation of mobile telecommunications
has occurred amidst controversy over whether
the technology poses a risk to human health [1]. At mmW
frequencies where future mobile telecommunications systems
will likely operate, two changes that will likely occur have the
potential to increase the concern on exposure of human users
to RF fields. First, larger numbers of transmitters will operate.
More base stations (BSs) will be deployed due to proliferation
of small cells [2]-[4] and mobile devices accordingly. This
will increase chance of human exposure to RF fields. Second,
narrower beams will be used as a solution for the higher
attenuation in higher frequency bands [3]-[7]. Very small
wavelengths of mmW signals combined with advances in RF
circuits enable very large numbers of miniaturized antennas.
These multiple antenna systems can be used to form very high
gains. Such higher concentration of RF energy will increase
the potential to more deeply penetrate into a human body
"It is acknowledged that exposure to RF has negative impacts
on human body. The rapid proliferation of mobile telecommunications
has occurred amidst controversy over whether
the technology poses a risk to human health [1]. At mmW
frequencies where future mobile telecommunications systems
will likely operate, two changes that will likely occur have the
potential to increase the concern on exposure of human users
to RF fields. First, larger numbers of transmitters will operate.
More base stations (BSs) will be deployed due to proliferation
of small cells [2]-[4] and mobile devices accordingly. This
will increase chance of human exposure to RF fields. Second,
narrower beams will be used as a solution for the higher
attenuation in higher frequency bands [3]-[7]. Very small
wavelengths of mmW signals combined with advances in RF
circuits enable very large numbers of miniaturized antennas.
These multiple antenna systems can be used to form very high
gains. Such higher concentration of RF energy will increase
the potential to more deeply penetrate into a human body.
This paper has highlighted the significance of human RF
exposure issue in downlink of a cellular communications
system. This paper measured the exposure level in terms of
PD and SAR, and compared them to those calculated in the
Release 9 as a representative of the current mobile communications
technology. Distinguished from the prior art that studied
uplinks only, this paper has found that the downlinks of a 5G
also yield significantly higher levels of PD and SAR compared
to a Release 9. Our results emphasized that the increase stems
from two technical changes that will likely occur in 5G: (i)
more APs due to deployment of smaller cells and (ii) more
highly concentrated RF energy per downlink RF beam due to
use of larger phased arrays.
As such, unlike the prior work, this paper claims that RF
fields generated in downlinks of 5G can also be dangerous in
spite of far-field propagations. Therefore, we here urge design
of cellular communications and networking schemes that force
an AP to avoid generation of RF fields if pointed at a human
user with an angle yielding a dangerous level of PD and SAR.
To this end, this paper identifies as the future work proposition
of techniques that reduces human exposure to RF fields in 5G
downlinks."
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1711.03683.pdf
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CITATION. Show us where you can't bring an owned vehicle in CA that has been registered in some other state. Otherwise good day sir.
The irony is these fuckers will be the loudest ones bitching when their phones dont work for shit at home. I have already had to explain this to a lot of work collegues that live in large developments with HOAs. No antennas = no service. How much more fucking obvious can you get?
Here try this http://bfy.tw/JuBv
"It is acknowledged that exposure to RF has negative impacts
on human body. The rapid proliferation of mobile telecommunications
has occurred amidst controversy over whether
the technology poses a risk to human health [1]. At mmW
frequencies where future mobile telecommunications systems
will likely operate, two changes that will likely occur have the
potential to increase the concern on exposure of human users
to RF fields. First, larger numbers of transmitters will operate.
More base stations (BSs) will be deployed due to proliferation
of small cells [2]-[4] and mobile devices accordingly. This
will increase chance of human exposure to RF fields. Second,
narrower beams will be used as a solution for the higher
attenuation in higher frequency bands [3]-[7]. Very small
wavelengths of mmW signals combined with advances in RF
circuits enable very large numbers of miniaturized antennas.
These multiple antenna systems can be used to form very high
gains. Such higher concentration of RF energy will increase
the potential to more deeply penetrate into a human body.
This paper has highlighted the significance of human RF
exposure issue in downlink of a cellular communications
system. This paper measured the exposure level in terms of
PD and SAR, and compared them to those calculated in the
Release 9 as a representative of the current mobile communications
technology. Distinguished from the prior art that studied
uplinks only, this paper has found that the downlinks of a 5G
also yield significantly higher levels of PD and SAR compared
to a Release 9. Our results emphasized that the increase stems
from two technical changes that will likely occur in 5G: (i)
more APs due to deployment of smaller cells and (ii) more
highly concentrated RF energy per downlink RF beam due to
use of larger phased arrays.
As such, unlike the prior work, this paper claims that RF
fields generated in downlinks of 5G can also be dangerous in
spite of far-field propagations. Therefore, we here urge design
of cellular communications and networking schemes that force
an AP to avoid generation of RF fields if pointed at a human
user with an angle yielding a dangerous level of PD and SAR.
To this end, this paper identifies as the future work proposition
of techniques that reduces human exposure to RF fields in 5G
downlinks."
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1711.03683.pdf
You were the guy in the back of the Macroeconomics class that was just playing games on his phone instead of listening to the lecture, weren't you?
I don't want any cell towers too close to where I work or live.
http://emrabc.ca/?page_id=1088... has examples.
From my current home, looking out the front door, I can see a cell tower on some church property at the far end of our neighborhood. It is about 0.25 miles away, so I'm not worried, but I wouldn't want to live in the homes in that corner and definitely don't want my kids playing there too much.
This could easily be the same stuff that caused issues for the Canadian and US diplomats in Cuba and China. Microwaves aren't good for human brains.
"In France researchers found that people living within 300m of a base station suffered from tiredness, headaches, sleep disruption, and within 100m irritability, depression, loss of memory, dizziness, and loss of libido."
Not the original anon, but here you go: how much to move outta san francisco
Obvs not the same as parent anon was hoping...its because there's a shortage of uhaul trucks in the bay area.
Citation please. Who says rental vehicles have to be registered in Texas? I picked one up that was registered in CA. In any event, lets pick a different destination. Peoples Republic of San Fran to Boise ID is $3375. Boise to San Fran utopia is $646.
You want to take their truck from civilization to the middle of nowhere? Of course that is going to cost you.
The people bringing it back get a break, cause that is what they would have to do anyway.
Where is Cracked spouting RF alarmism? I thought that even for an infotainment site, Cracked was better than that. So let's first get on the same page as to which article we're looking at.
(searches the web for site:cracked.com cell phone radiation)
Are you referring to "5 Terrifying Realities Of My Job As A Cell Tower Climber" by Ryan Menezes? It mentions RF burn, falling, beehives and bird nests, urination, and dropped tools.
Since I did not reference anything regarding the effects of microwave radiation on the human body, I fail to see what this has to do with my claim regarding you being a homosexual obsessed idiot. If you want to claim that cell phone radiation caused your obvious cognitive impairment, I am willing to listen though.
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Hey anonymous douchewad: stock market is doing great, unemployment is at a 50 year best, we have 4.2% growth, and no terrorist attacks in a while. The only people unhappy about their country are fucking dipshit sheep whose Democrat Thought Leaders programmed them to be constantly outraged about everything after they lost an election they were supposed to win. In a landslide! The funniest thing is that even after being proven wrong over and over, you fucking insane morons still believe the people who are lying to you.
Note, though, that this is selecting a subset of the population. The typical UHaul renter who is moving herself is going to be of substantially lower income than those that use moving companies. So, rich people could be moving in and poor people moving out but UHaul wouldn't see that even though there were more people, overall, moving into California than out of California.
For a more balanced picture, both sources must be considered (I have read that moving companies are exhibiting similar pricing premiums on "out of California" moves but don't have a cite handy).
Show a study that actually affects humans in a realistic way, or go away.
Your software is just crap - written in crayon, fictional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine as a punchline to a joke by mmell February 17, 2017
Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is fucking insane - by JazzLad April 20, 2016
his hosts "program" is actually a broken batch file by xenotransplant August 10 2015
his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to be a laughingstock while consuming excessive amounts of alcohol by alexgieg September 25 2015
I like your tinfoil hat by Karmashock September 09 2015
that APK nut, I can't get him to stop talking about his piece of shit file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015
I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017
APK
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Cell companies should just turn off their 3G and 4G towers when the time comes. Leave that area as a HUGE dead zone.
I will build devices out of microwave ovens that will jam 2GHz - 5Ghz radio trainsmissions.
It's a simple way to build 110W microwave jammer.
So your logic is pretty much "coffee is more expensive in SF than Boise, which means people are leaving SF, rather than them being able to afford such outrageous prices, because I assume the economy in SF and fucking Boise are the same".
I understand you have a shitty bias to feed and false superiority to feel, probably because you're already socially cast out of society, but ffs, you're twisting the most pointless data (uhaul, they can charge whatever they want wherever they want, has nothing to do with real statistics like the ones GP posted) to reach the most pointless conclusions.
Note: I don't live in or care about any of the cities mentioned
... you're twisting the most pointless data (uhaul, they can charge whatever they want wherever they want, has nothing to do with real statistics like the ones GP posted) to reach the most pointless conclusions.
Go bing keywords uhaul, prices, and population. You'll find dozens and dozens of news stories that use rental prices as a gauge to population migrations. Companies like uhaul charge market prices based primarily on supply and demand. Since there are fewer trucks to rent because more people use them to move away, prices go up. It's all very simple really.
And by the way, yes I do feel superior to idiots like you. I mean you don't have a clue how capitalism works and don't have the common sense to to see cause and effect when a large group of people are spending their own money in common ways.
You want to take their truck from civilization to the middle of nowhere? Of course that is going to cost you.
The people bringing it back get a break, cause that is what they would have to do anyway.
That's not really how that works. Anyway you can run similar comparisons to other large cities and see what you get. For instance, I just checked Atlanta to Boise and vice versa. It's about the same in each direction; $1,483 to leave Atlanta, and $1,421 to come back. Atlanta isnt "in the middle of nowhere", but you might complain that it has a relatively small population. Fine. At over 2 million people, Huston is one of the largest cities in the USA. From Huston to Boise it's $1,854; from Boise to Huston it's $1,101.
He's right; while the remoteness/isolation of the destination may play some small part in the calculation, this is primarily about supply and demand.
c6gunner seeing you reduced to childishly impersonating apk and altering slashdotters words was priceless https://linux.slashdot.org/com... when apk challenged you to show you do better work and you couldn't after you tried to mock him first https://linux.slashdot.org/com... .
See subject "APK" (fake name do-nothing nobody): You're a "ne'er-do-well" chatterbox (all talk & no work BETTER than mine) & you proved it.
APK
P.S.=> Don't take "potshots" @ your BETTERS like me you CHUMP (& I can say that since you ARE obviously a NOBODY chump do-nothing vs. me)... apk
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Here, at the Research Triangle Park, NC, I see an explosive growth of the population and the number of high-tech companies coming in. Guess where most incomers are from? Yes, California. The middle class. Most;y, because of the affordable housing.
Leaking the middle class is a very dangerous symptom. Never mind the relatively high average income (thanks to the super-rich) or the overall population growth (thanks to incoming poor). With the middle class shrinking, the status quo is no longer sustainable.
I'll just quote it here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3780531/
Discussion and conclusions
How do EMFs composed of low-energy photons produce non-thermal
biological changes, both pathophysiological and, in some cases,
potentially therapeutic, in humans and higher animals? It may be surprising
that the answer to this question has been hiding in plain sight
in the scientific literature. However, in this era of highly focused and
highly specialized science, few of us have the time to read the relevant
literature, let alone organize the information found within it in useful
and critical ways.
This study shows that:
1 Twenty-three different studies have found that such EMF
exposures act via activation of VGCCs, such that VGCC channel
blockers can prevent responses to such exposures (Table 1).
Most of the studies implicate L-type VGCCs in these responses,
but there are also other studies implicating three other classes
of VGCCs.
2 Both extremely low frequency fields, including 50/60 cycle
exposures, and microwave EMF range exposures act via activation
of VGCCs. So do static electric fields, static magnetic fields
and nanosecond pulses.
3 Voltage-gated calcium channel stimulation leads to
increased intracellular Ca2+, which can act in turn to stimulate
the two calcium/calmodulin-dependent nitric oxide synthases
and increase nitric oxide. It is suggested here that nitric oxide
may act in therapeutic/potentially therapeutic EMF responses
via its main physiological pathway, stimulating cGMP and protein
kinase G. It is also suggested that nitric oxide may act in
pathophysiological responses to EMF exposure, by acting as a
precursor of peroxynitrite, producing both oxidative stress and
free radical breakdown products.
4 The interpretation in three above is supported by two specific
well-documented examples of EMF effects. Electromagnetic
fields stimulation of bone growth, modulated through EMF
stimulation of osteoblasts, appears to involve an elevation/nitric
oxide/protein kinase G pathway. In contrast to that, it seems
likely that the EMF induction of single-stranded DNA breaks
involves a Ca2+/elevation/nitric oxide/peroxynitrite/free radical
(oxidative stress) pathway
You can instead roll out 5G in my neighborhood. You can put a tower in my back yard. Literally, I have half an acre just growing weeds. Of course I will charge you rent for it, but hey.