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To Fight Climate Change, California Says 'We're Launching Our Own Damn Satellite' (latimes.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the Los Angeles Times:
Jerry Brown closed his climate summit in San Francisco on Friday with a dramatic announcement: California will launch its own satellite into orbit to track and monitor the formation of pollutants that cause climate change. "With science still under attack and the climate threat growing, we're launching our own damn satellite," Brown said in prepared remarks. "This groundbreaking initiative will help governments, businesses and landowners pinpoint -- and stop -- destructive emissions with unprecedented precision, on a scale that's never been done before...."
The state will develop the satellite with the San Francisco-based Earth-imaging firm Planet Labs, a company founded by former NASA scientists in 2010. The state may ultimately launch multiple satellites into space, according to the governor's office.... Robbie Schingler, co-founder of Planet Labs, said the project will inform "how advanced satellite technology can enhance our ability to measure, monitor, and ultimately, mitigate the impacts of climate change..." Brown's announcement came in quickly delivered remarks at the close of the three-day gathering and received a standing ovation from many in the audience.
Governors from 17 states (and from both political parties) also pledged to spend $1.4 billion to lower auto emissions, using money from Volkwagen's legal settlement over falsifying clean-air performance data. New York City also announced that its pension fund would invest $4 billion in companies offering climate change solution over the next three years.
And 26 states, cities and businesses said they'd procure non-polluting vehicle fleets by 2030, while ChargePoint and EV Box pledged to build 3.5 million new charging stations around the world.
The state will develop the satellite with the San Francisco-based Earth-imaging firm Planet Labs, a company founded by former NASA scientists in 2010. The state may ultimately launch multiple satellites into space, according to the governor's office.... Robbie Schingler, co-founder of Planet Labs, said the project will inform "how advanced satellite technology can enhance our ability to measure, monitor, and ultimately, mitigate the impacts of climate change..." Brown's announcement came in quickly delivered remarks at the close of the three-day gathering and received a standing ovation from many in the audience.
Governors from 17 states (and from both political parties) also pledged to spend $1.4 billion to lower auto emissions, using money from Volkwagen's legal settlement over falsifying clean-air performance data. New York City also announced that its pension fund would invest $4 billion in companies offering climate change solution over the next three years.
And 26 states, cities and businesses said they'd procure non-polluting vehicle fleets by 2030, while ChargePoint and EV Box pledged to build 3.5 million new charging stations around the world.
CA will tax consumed goods/.services based on which nation/state
That is probably unconstitutional.
Unanticipated flooding, droughts, erosion of the coastline... I can think of a lot of things which could go wrong.
"This groundbreaking initiative will help governments, businesses and landowners pinpoint -- and stop -- destructive emissions with unprecedented precision, on a scale that's never been done before...."
That sounds like exactly what Trump would say to sell one of his own initiatives. The words like "groundbreaking," "unprecedented," and "never been done before" sure have a very used car salesman sort of ring to them.
Gotta do something to distract from the $100 billion 100 MPH train from Bakersfield to Modesto!
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Jerry Brown's Secret War on Clean Energy
Had They Bet On Nuclear, Not Renewables, Germany & California Would Already Have 100% Clean Power
Not true. A pension fund manages according to the directives it is given, which usually include maximize return, but can include other factors. This is how CalPERS and CalSTER justified removing investment from South Africa, so that they would no longer support the apartheid regime.
Remote sensing does a lot for everyone, including poor people. At last count 10 people were dead from tropical storm Florence. But we've known for days exactly where it was going to hit and when. Imagine what it would be like if the first indication was hours instead of days in advance.
That's what it was like when I was a kid, Nobody had maps showing that a tropical depression over by the Azores was going to hit North Carolina five days from now as a major hurricane,
So it turns out knowledge is actually valuable in practical ways to ordinary people. It's not some kind of luxury just for namby-pamby smart people.
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I'm sure CA would be happy to stop accepting federal money completely, provided that the federal gov. stopped accepting any money from CA.
Nullius in verba
Fuel consumption on a Falcon 9 (surely their launch vehicle of choice) is equivalent to ~70 typical diesel cars (8l/100km) driving a typical 20k km/year for 1 year.
E.g., not a tiny amount of emissions, but not some vast amount either.
They carry weapons and they know if you've been bad or good. Not everybody's good, but everyone tries.
I was torn but your liberal usage of CAPS LOCK really won me over in the end.
On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
Don't you get it? Homeless are some of the lowest per capita emitters of C02. The more homeless California has the greater their impact on climate change!
On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
Ah the Cole and Ohanian paper again, but with an extra heaping of customized unhinged exaggeration ("and that's likely an under estimate as it comes from UCLA"). Since the legislation was signed in June 1933, three months after FDR entered office (March 4 in those days), and the Great Depression did in fact end no later than June 1940 when the US per capita GDP had recovered to its pre-depression level (the NBER, who is the semi-official self-designated shot-caller for recessions places it much earlier, but there are good reasons to disregard their definition). I guess since the paper is from UCLA economists he believes FDR actually signed the legislation before he took office perhaps.
As Ohanian himself sighed 12 years after the paper was published:
“People on the right would say, ‘Hey, look — these guys from UCLA — which is not perceived as some traditionally conservative place — said Roosevelt was to blame for the Depression continuing,’” Ohanian said. “Then people on the left would say, ‘Oh, these guys are conservative, paid mouthpieces for the Koch Foundation,’ which, of course, we were not. But neither side really understands what we did. “
Now this complaint by Ohanian admittedly does nothing to clarify the matter of "what he did" and no explanation at all is found in the entire press release I linked to. You might however want to read this discussion of Ohanian and Cole's claims.
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To fight climate change, California says "We're launching our own damn satellite! With blackjack, and hookers!"
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Why would it be unconstitutional?
1. Import-Export Clause of The US Constitution
2. Tax and Spending Clause of the US Constitution
States can't collect tariffs, can't tax based on origin, and can't have their own foreign policies.
Nothing illegal about that.
Bullcrap.
Before you continue arguing for tossing out these constitutional clauses, because, hey, Jerry Brown is a great guy, you should consider that they could then be abused by your opponents as well. If California can have their own foreign policy, then why not Texas and Oklahoma?
The Constitution was well thought out and well written. We water it down at our peril.
Ah the Cole and Ohanian paper again, but with an extra heaping of customized unhinged exaggeration ("and that's likely an under estimate as it comes from UCLA"). Since the legislation was signed in June 1933, three months after FDR entered office (March 4 in those days), and the Great Depression did in fact end no later than June 1940 when the US per capita GDP had recovered to its pre-depression level (the NBER, who is the semi-official self-designated shot-caller for recessions places it much earlier, but there are good reasons to disregard their definition). I guess since the paper is from UCLA economists he believes FDR actually signed the legislation before he took office perhaps.
Gee how might that happen ?
Hoover did not stand idly by after the depression began. To fight the rapidly worsening depression, Hoover extended the size and scope of the federal government in six major areas: (1) federal spending, (2) agriculture, (3) wage policy, (4) immigration, (5) international trade, and (6) tax policy.
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What do you know they had virtually the same policies.
You'd hit a lot harder if you actually knew your history, points for trying to slip that by though
That is already the case. More federal money flows to Red states, while Blue states are constantly milked by the GOP.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I have a better IDEA. How about the feds pay each state what is collected in their state? CA would LOVE it. In fact, all of the blue/purple states would love it. We are the ones supporting the feds while the red states suck on the tits and waste money such as the SLS/Orion crap, the M1A2 which is in dire need of major upgrade, or decent fighters that are not produce in texas with such piss-poor quality and outrageous prices. What L-Mart charges America and our allies for the F-35 is nothing less than treason. The list goes on and on.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
It has NOTHING to do with location other than the CO2 that emits from there.
This is a direct violation of the WTO membership treaty signed by the US. Tariffs can't discriminate on "process and production methods".
Nations do it ALL THE TIME.
California is not a nation.
Even pretending it wasn't completely illegal to do. How would you possibly measure it? The CO2 emitted for that product?
The total emissions of the country regardless of what the product is? That's just blatantly discriminating against larger countries (obviously you're targeting China). You will tax Americans more than Australians and Canadians? You will tax America at the second highest level in the world behind China?
And you think anyone will vote for your plan?
Based on per capita, then you're just shooting yourself in the foot again considering America is twice China. You want to tax Americans twice what you tax Chinese companies.
And you think anyone will vote for your plan?
Complete and utter garbage plan with no thought at all of the consequences.
On average, they didn't happen with the same frequency and severity.
Whaa, your diesel's consume 8L/100km? I know people who had petrol cars more efficient than that who switched to diesel due to petrol's inefficiency.
That statistic is of course deliberately deceptive. When you include personal and corporate income exemptions, the numbers flip. If you remove military salaries, it flips. Clearly, California running off military installations is a red state welfare.
Want to hammer China for their high CO2 emissions?
You keep describing it that way, but in fact, no. We don't want to do that. What we want is to hammer high CO2 emissions, not China. If we tax CO2 emissions, not China, then it's legal. If the manufacturers fail to provide a reasonable measurement of CO2 emissions, then a number will have to be invented. The only reasonable basis for the invention of that number is country of origin, but what will be taxed is the CO2, not the country of origin. The taxes will be levied against the consumer. They should be spent on fixing CO2, but they will probably have to be spent on welfare programs in red states, since they can't pay their way and we have to do it. Goddamn welfare queens... are whole states.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
What about Texas?
Texas is one of the very few red states which "pays its own way", except it doesn't. It only manages that because of the oil industry, which is a massive polluter at every level. Also, it would probably be a blue state by now if not for gerrymandering.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Bitching about "undeserving" people getting "your" money is something that conservatives do. Luckily Californians are all in favor of wealth redistribution from the rich to the poor.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Democrat-led Senate. Democrat President. Republican GOP. Shutting down Yucca Mountain was a goal of President Obama and he worked with his own DOE to make it happen. President Obama submitted continuing resolutions that tied elimination of Yucca Mountain funding to military expenditures - so it was either shut down the military or shut down Yucca Mountain. The Senate (led by Harry Reid) loved that as well. Definitely a priority for the President and for half of Congress - such that they were willing to eliminate funding of Constitutional duties of Government before they let it keep running.
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You have just described the entire United States Defense budget since 1950, which probably adds up to over $50 trillion squandered, and nothing but misery around the world to show for it. And some very wealthy defense contractors, of course.
At least when California does a public works project, people get some jobs and there isn't a body count in the 100s of thousands.
You are welcome on my lawn.
So now in addition to losing objective journalism where media was supposed to be objective and we are now all used to media outlets having inherent bias we'll have science with bias also - where the mission is to "prove this" instead of "find truth." *sigh*
Bill Gates is a communist -- he's just more equal than the rest of us.
Are you asserting that there isn't a great deal of public posturing going on in American political culture today? Really?
Why was his virtue-signaling? It came as a capstone announcement to a climate change "summit" with maximum press in attendance.
"Brown's announcement came in quickly delivered remarks at the close of the three-day gathering and received a standing ovation from many in the audience."
If it was simply about actually getting something done, they'd have lined it into the budget (you know, the one where they're $1.3 trillion in debt already? - sorry, that was $1.3 trillion as of June 2015; some reports put it at $1.3 tn in pension liability alone, and $2.3 tn in total today) and executed it. Or at least have an actual program and progress to talk about.
But they didn't, they haven't actually done shit-all except announce it.
That would, dear AmiMoJo, be the essence of virtue-signaling - "look how much WE'RE going to do!"....just as soon as we can pay for it, or we're going to limp along pretending we're going to do it until people forget we said it....
RTFM: the story itself points to Gov Moonbean saying pretty much the same thing back in 1976. Never happened.
And if I were truly virtue-signaling, I *think* I could probably find better places to do it than an obscure techy messageboard.
-Styopa
What a fabulous argument! Cogent points! Well articulated! Excellent citations, and that BRILLIANT insult at the end! My goodness your mommy must be proud of her little basement dweller! You should ask for extra cookies.
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