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To Fight Climate Change, California Says 'We're Launching Our Own Damn Satellite' (latimes.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the Los Angeles Times:
Jerry Brown closed his climate summit in San Francisco on Friday with a dramatic announcement: California will launch its own satellite into orbit to track and monitor the formation of pollutants that cause climate change. "With science still under attack and the climate threat growing, we're launching our own damn satellite," Brown said in prepared remarks. "This groundbreaking initiative will help governments, businesses and landowners pinpoint -- and stop -- destructive emissions with unprecedented precision, on a scale that's never been done before...."
The state will develop the satellite with the San Francisco-based Earth-imaging firm Planet Labs, a company founded by former NASA scientists in 2010. The state may ultimately launch multiple satellites into space, according to the governor's office.... Robbie Schingler, co-founder of Planet Labs, said the project will inform "how advanced satellite technology can enhance our ability to measure, monitor, and ultimately, mitigate the impacts of climate change..." Brown's announcement came in quickly delivered remarks at the close of the three-day gathering and received a standing ovation from many in the audience.
Governors from 17 states (and from both political parties) also pledged to spend $1.4 billion to lower auto emissions, using money from Volkwagen's legal settlement over falsifying clean-air performance data. New York City also announced that its pension fund would invest $4 billion in companies offering climate change solution over the next three years.
And 26 states, cities and businesses said they'd procure non-polluting vehicle fleets by 2030, while ChargePoint and EV Box pledged to build 3.5 million new charging stations around the world.
The state will develop the satellite with the San Francisco-based Earth-imaging firm Planet Labs, a company founded by former NASA scientists in 2010. The state may ultimately launch multiple satellites into space, according to the governor's office.... Robbie Schingler, co-founder of Planet Labs, said the project will inform "how advanced satellite technology can enhance our ability to measure, monitor, and ultimately, mitigate the impacts of climate change..." Brown's announcement came in quickly delivered remarks at the close of the three-day gathering and received a standing ovation from many in the audience.
Governors from 17 states (and from both political parties) also pledged to spend $1.4 billion to lower auto emissions, using money from Volkwagen's legal settlement over falsifying clean-air performance data. New York City also announced that its pension fund would invest $4 billion in companies offering climate change solution over the next three years.
And 26 states, cities and businesses said they'd procure non-polluting vehicle fleets by 2030, while ChargePoint and EV Box pledged to build 3.5 million new charging stations around the world.
CA will tax consumed goods/.services based on which nation/state
That is probably unconstitutional.
New York City also announced that its pension fund would invest $4 billion in companies offering climate change solution over the next three years.
What could possibly go wrong?
"This groundbreaking initiative will help governments, businesses and landowners pinpoint -- and stop -- destructive emissions with unprecedented precision, on a scale that's never been done before...."
That sounds like exactly what Trump would say to sell one of his own initiatives. The words like "groundbreaking," "unprecedented," and "never been done before" sure have a very used car salesman sort of ring to them.
Gotta do something to distract from the $100 billion 100 MPH train from Bakersfield to Modesto!
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US Constitution Article 1, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
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To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
US Constitution Article 1, Section 10:
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No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing its inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
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"This groundbreaking initiative will help governments, businesses and landowners pinpoint -- and stop -- destructive emissions with unprecedented precision, on a scale that's never been done before...."
I'm assuming you're building the worlds largest Bullshit Detector, because that's about the only thing that's going to keep one-sided politics from influencing and controlling whatever the fuck you plan on doing with satellites.
The problem isn't finding evidence that we humans are doing plenty to fuck up our atmosphere and environment. The problem is convincing enough of the greedy fucks in charge to give up their precious money in order to do something about it. For the worlds largest polluters, revenue is all that matters, side effects be damned.
Launch all the "damn" satellites you want. Until you fix the political problem, any results will continue to fall on deaf ears.
A good lawyer could argue that any incentives or penalties based on origin is effectively a duty.
The bigger question is why CA is accepting any Federal money if they've got cash to burn on shit like this.
Remote sensing does a lot for everyone, including poor people. At last count 10 people were dead from tropical storm Florence. But we've known for days exactly where it was going to hit and when. Imagine what it would be like if the first indication was hours instead of days in advance.
That's what it was like when I was a kid, Nobody had maps showing that a tropical depression over by the Azores was going to hit North Carolina five days from now as a major hurricane,
So it turns out knowledge is actually valuable in practical ways to ordinary people. It's not some kind of luxury just for namby-pamby smart people.
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I'm sure CA would be happy to stop accepting federal money completely, provided that the federal gov. stopped accepting any money from CA.
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deally, CA will tax consumed goods/.services based on which nation/state the worst sub-part/service comes from. In doing that, it will reward nations/states that have cleaned up, while punishing those that have not.
You cannot have a State or Country-specific taxation in California, per the US Constitution.
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Fuel consumption on a Falcon 9 (surely their launch vehicle of choice) is equivalent to ~70 typical diesel cars (8l/100km) driving a typical 20k km/year for 1 year.
E.g., not a tiny amount of emissions, but not some vast amount either.
They carry weapons and they know if you've been bad or good. Not everybody's good, but everyone tries.
So let me get this right... The State of California is going to spend tends of millions of tax payer dollars to fabricate and lance a new weather satellite, expend mega tons of CO2 emissions to do so, placed even more space junk into an already crowding upper atmosphere, and lock the tax payers into a plan that will force them to spend millions of rollers to maintain and monitor that satellite... all to repeat the same data collection that NOAA is already doing now. Because Drumpf!!!
Is really the plan? Or am I missing something?
I was torn but your liberal usage of CAPS LOCK really won me over in the end.
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Don't you get it? Homeless are some of the lowest per capita emitters of C02. The more homeless California has the greater their impact on climate change!
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...because that's a prudent use of the taxpayer's money: "Virtue signaling".
Oh yeah, and there's this: https://californiapolicycenter...
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Consent of Congress. Inspection laws? You mean laws that would be selectively enforced per Country of origin?
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You should learn to read
Economists today, however, hold a different view of the effects of Smoot-Hawley. While economic historians generally believe the tariff was misguided and may have aggravated the economic crisis, the consensus appears to relegate it to a minor status relative to other forces.
Ah the Cole and Ohanian paper again, but with an extra heaping of customized unhinged exaggeration ("and that's likely an under estimate as it comes from UCLA"). Since the legislation was signed in June 1933, three months after FDR entered office (March 4 in those days), and the Great Depression did in fact end no later than June 1940 when the US per capita GDP had recovered to its pre-depression level (the NBER, who is the semi-official self-designated shot-caller for recessions places it much earlier, but there are good reasons to disregard their definition). I guess since the paper is from UCLA economists he believes FDR actually signed the legislation before he took office perhaps.
As Ohanian himself sighed 12 years after the paper was published:
“People on the right would say, ‘Hey, look — these guys from UCLA — which is not perceived as some traditionally conservative place — said Roosevelt was to blame for the Depression continuing,’” Ohanian said. “Then people on the left would say, ‘Oh, these guys are conservative, paid mouthpieces for the Koch Foundation,’ which, of course, we were not. But neither side really understands what we did. “
Now this complaint by Ohanian admittedly does nothing to clarify the matter of "what he did" and no explanation at all is found in the entire press release I linked to. You might however want to read this discussion of Ohanian and Cole's claims.
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It's like he spun the random tech solution wheel ...
"We'll fix it with ... a satellite!"
It's like saying you'll fix everything with blockchain, only fifty years out of date.
To fight climate change, California says "We're launching our own damn satellite! With blackjack, and hookers!"
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Problem is - you have to treat all products equally. So you cannot have different inspection fees by origin. Want to hammer China for their high CO2 emissions? You have to also add that "inspection tax" to all products of the same category from all sources - foreign or domestic.
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What is needed is multiple like OCO2/OCO3. Then monitor around the world. Seriously, a number of nations cheat. With the sats, it will be possible to find out which ones. Ideally, CA will tax consumed goods/.services based on which nation/state the worst sub-part/service comes from
There are many reasons to go into space: To gain new knowledge, to help our ships at sea steer a safer course, to explore and learn new techniques of mapping and observation, to discover new tools of science and medicine, to expand the furthest outposts on the new frontier, for the growth of science and education.
Some may go to space not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one they are willing to accept, one they are unwilling to postpone, and one which they intend to win.
But only California would go to space to raise taxes.
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Why would it be unconstitutional?
1. Import-Export Clause of The US Constitution
2. Tax and Spending Clause of the US Constitution
States can't collect tariffs, can't tax based on origin, and can't have their own foreign policies.
Nothing illegal about that.
Bullcrap.
Before you continue arguing for tossing out these constitutional clauses, because, hey, Jerry Brown is a great guy, you should consider that they could then be abused by your opponents as well. If California can have their own foreign policy, then why not Texas and Oklahoma?
The Constitution was well thought out and well written. We water it down at our peril.
Ah the Cole and Ohanian paper again, but with an extra heaping of customized unhinged exaggeration ("and that's likely an under estimate as it comes from UCLA"). Since the legislation was signed in June 1933, three months after FDR entered office (March 4 in those days), and the Great Depression did in fact end no later than June 1940 when the US per capita GDP had recovered to its pre-depression level (the NBER, who is the semi-official self-designated shot-caller for recessions places it much earlier, but there are good reasons to disregard their definition). I guess since the paper is from UCLA economists he believes FDR actually signed the legislation before he took office perhaps.
Gee how might that happen ?
Hoover did not stand idly by after the depression began. To fight the rapidly worsening depression, Hoover extended the size and scope of the federal government in six major areas: (1) federal spending, (2) agriculture, (3) wage policy, (4) immigration, (5) international trade, and (6) tax policy.
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What do you know they had virtually the same policies.
You'd hit a lot harder if you actually knew your history, points for trying to slip that by though
If it's burning liquid Oxygen and liquid Hydrogen, it's not creating any pollution, genius.. The byproduct would be WATER.
(this is not an endorsement of this project that we cannot afford)
I'm glad somebody from a government body is actually listening to the scientists.
These are not based on origins. It is based on emissions. Big difference.
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That is already the case. More federal money flows to Red states, while Blue states are constantly milked by the GOP.
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I have a better IDEA. How about the feds pay each state what is collected in their state? CA would LOVE it. In fact, all of the blue/purple states would love it. We are the ones supporting the feds while the red states suck on the tits and waste money such as the SLS/Orion crap, the M1A2 which is in dire need of major upgrade, or decent fighters that are not produce in texas with such piss-poor quality and outrageous prices. What L-Mart charges America and our allies for the F-35 is nothing less than treason. The list goes on and on.
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Since it is applied to all goods/serivce in CA, including CA's, it is NOT location specific. It is charged and then if businesses want to lower it/remove it, they can simply list all the parts/services and the CO2 emitted from that area. They do not have to list location.
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America's "rocket man."
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No, it's point of origin. For example, let's say CA wants to "punish" China for its high CO2 output via "import examination taxes" on all electronics products. They have to have the same levy/tax on products from Japan, Germany, and even Texas or Washington. So the net effect is ZERO "punishment" for a specific player (in this example, China) but for all players in a given industry.
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It has NOTHING to do with location other than the CO2 that emits from there.
This is a direct violation of the WTO membership treaty signed by the US. Tariffs can't discriminate on "process and production methods".
Nations do it ALL THE TIME.
California is not a nation.
exactly right. That is why you tax at a single level (that slowly rises), but allow businesses to list where the worst part/service comes from, and then adjust accordingly. BUT, it has to be applied to ALL. IOW, CA has to either tax its locally produced for local consumption as either from America, or from CA. Either would work.
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Don't think it works that way. States cannot apply discriminatory regulations and taxes on products from different sources.
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But isn't that the whole point? A Pigouvian tax on carbon *should* be universal.
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Satellites are subject to international agreements. Lasy I checked, that is a federal matter.
So what? That doesn't mean that the federal government is the only entity allowed to launch and operate satellites.
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It has to be on value, is my understanding of how tariffs are applied. Doing a sliding tariff based upon believed transgressions of one sort or another are not allowable. Consider the CARB requirements - they are a flat rate, on all vehicles, and do not scale with "too gas-guzzling" and such. It's an either/or and for all items in a given category.
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Water vapor is a very effective greenhouse gas, far more effective than CO2.
If you think that the M1 and the F35 are state-level projects, you're horribly confused.
No, wait ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/1...
Oh. It's all a ruse. I guess it'll be rocket fuel after all.
The feds regulate launches that take place in the US..
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Wikipedia says the Falcon 9 uses liquid oxygen and kerosene.
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Unless those clear vehicles are going to automatically run over and kill cows, they're ignoring the ACTUAL source of greenhouse gas emissions. Efficient vehicles are a lie. In fact I even heard a rumor that all the freighters carrying cargo on the ocean make like 10x more CO2 than all the cars in the US combined. Methane is several hundred times more damaging and it comes from cows, of which there are way the hell too many of. THAT is the problem. Make methane capture laws.
It's certainly possible for California to design a satellite and pay someone for launch and ground station support services. But I don't see any definition of what they actually expect the satellite to do that couldn't be done cheaper, more easily, and more flexibly with sensor packages mounted on scheduled airliners flying between the state's numerous major airports or black boxes mounted in CHP vehicles.
Frankly, I can't see a lot of evidence that the folks in California have the slightest idea what they are doing with regard to climate and pollution issues once they move beyond the impressive, but decades old efforts, to reduce control/smog in the coastal basins. As Don Henley might have it, they haven't had that spirit there since 1969.
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Even pretending it wasn't completely illegal to do. How would you possibly measure it? The CO2 emitted for that product?
The total emissions of the country regardless of what the product is? That's just blatantly discriminating against larger countries (obviously you're targeting China). You will tax Americans more than Australians and Canadians? You will tax America at the second highest level in the world behind China?
And you think anyone will vote for your plan?
Based on per capita, then you're just shooting yourself in the foot again considering America is twice China. You want to tax Americans twice what you tax Chinese companies.
And you think anyone will vote for your plan?
Complete and utter garbage plan with no thought at all of the consequences.
So? It's not pollution. The amount of water vapor in the air due to evaporation from the ocean, lakes, rivers... far outstrips anything a rocket could create.
Secondly, water vapor condenses and removes itself from the atmosphere.. I don't see how you think it's a greenhouse gas..
"California Space Force"
Table-ized A.I.
Let's just pile on yet ANOTHER multi-zillion dollar boondoggle!
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People in the USA need to stop fighting amongst themselves. While you left and blue states are going on about who produces more, China is outproducing all the states combined. While the left and right are beating themselves up, Mexican nationalist are invading and taking over the USA. Here is a news flash for you. Mexicans dont like whinney white liberals any more than they like conservative white Republicans. Mexicans like mexicans, Russians like Russians, Chinese support Chinese. Americans need to start liking themselves or we will all be selling out daughters to work in Mexican or Chinese brothels because we a 3rd world has ben power.
Your enemy is not the liberal or conservative. Your enemy is those that want to divide you over bullshit. Divide and conquer worked well to defeat the earth loving first nations, and it is working today. Games the same, names are different.
I‘m from tiny Luxembourg and even we have >60 Satellites.
Whaa, your diesel's consume 8L/100km? I know people who had petrol cars more efficient than that who switched to diesel due to petrol's inefficiency.
Yes, but the air's ability to hold water is based upon its temperature. Throw as much water into the air as you like, it'll condense out until it hits thermal equilibrium.
So while you're correct, that ball was still foul as fuck.
Are you serious?
California is the 8th largest economy on this planet.
You think a couple hundred million dollars is going to dent a state with a domestic product measured in trillions?
That statistic is of course deliberately deceptive. When you include personal and corporate income exemptions, the numbers flip. If you remove military salaries, it flips. Clearly, California running off military installations is a red state welfare.
Most likely the satellite will be hovering over CA taking pictures for "citizen watch projects".
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We had weather bouys and observation stations before we had satellites. We've been able to predict and warn about hurricanes days in advance for a really long time (mid-1800s) so unless you're Dorian Grey you should have known about hurricanes and even tropical storms days in advance all your life.
What has changed is people's attitude and fear of these events. I remember playing in the living room and seeing a neighbors' gutter flying by when my parents brought us up to the second floor. I remember flooding and sandbags but no mandated mass evacuations.
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Yes, and the DMV licenses you to drive vehicles. That doesn't mean people can't have their own cars.
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Want to hammer China for their high CO2 emissions?
You keep describing it that way, but in fact, no. We don't want to do that. What we want is to hammer high CO2 emissions, not China. If we tax CO2 emissions, not China, then it's legal. If the manufacturers fail to provide a reasonable measurement of CO2 emissions, then a number will have to be invented. The only reasonable basis for the invention of that number is country of origin, but what will be taxed is the CO2, not the country of origin. The taxes will be levied against the consumer. They should be spent on fixing CO2, but they will probably have to be spent on welfare programs in red states, since they can't pay their way and we have to do it. Goddamn welfare queens... are whole states.
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What about Texas?
Texas is one of the very few red states which "pays its own way", except it doesn't. It only manages that because of the oil industry, which is a massive polluter at every level. Also, it would probably be a blue state by now if not for gerrymandering.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Bitching about "undeserving" people getting "your" money is something that conservatives do. Luckily Californians are all in favor of wealth redistribution from the rich to the poor.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Democrat-led Senate. Democrat President. Republican GOP. Shutting down Yucca Mountain was a goal of President Obama and he worked with his own DOE to make it happen. President Obama submitted continuing resolutions that tied elimination of Yucca Mountain funding to military expenditures - so it was either shut down the military or shut down Yucca Mountain. The Senate (led by Harry Reid) loved that as well. Definitely a priority for the President and for half of Congress - such that they were willing to eliminate funding of Constitutional duties of Government before they let it keep running.
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We need California more than California needs the others states? Pure, unprocessed Bullcrap!
Maybe he was using Volkswagen diesel mileage?
No brain, no pain.
And they didn't work very well by modern standards. It's simply not possible to get a comprehensive view of an ocean area that's tens of millions of square miles in extent with buoys. You can't really piece together an accurate picture of a storm's track unless you have an extensive network of densely located stations.
The reason we don't do it that way is that satellites are cheaper.
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> It really takes a special kind of person to consider an old document
No. You are just an arrogant moron with no sense of history and a high opinion of himself just because of the year you were born in.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
America is reducing it's CO2 faster than anyone else despite your hate-on for the country.
This is despite the mindless hysterics over leaving the Paris agreement.
Now if we are "importing more CO2" then it hardly makes any sense to let China off the hook. Now does it?
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
You have just described the entire United States Defense budget since 1950, which probably adds up to over $50 trillion squandered, and nothing but misery around the world to show for it. And some very wealthy defense contractors, of course.
At least when California does a public works project, people get some jobs and there isn't a body count in the 100s of thousands.
You are welcome on my lawn.
That's the most stupid two non-arguments ever on that subject.
In capitalist USA corporations control the government.
I don't see how he thinks water vapor is a gas of any kind :)
In capitalist USA corporations control the government.
I like visiting certain parts of California, but there's no way I'd ever live there, because the government is WAY too irrational.
And yet you live in the USA.
In capitalist USA corporations control the government.
Science conducted by those with an agenda is NOT science.
This moron has been around way too long. Only SMART thing he did was date Linda Ronstadt
back in the 70's.
Really? Maybe that's what she was talking about with the beat of another drum? She pegged him good?
Cali, source of so much lunacy.
Sure, but that's not the question. California cannot say "South Korea, because your emissions are higher, you have to pay this tariff on each vehicle, and Germany, you have to have this standard for emissions". It's equal across all - which means, punishing individual countries or companies via tariffs is essentially impossible. It's the industry as a whole or nothing.
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1. Post WW2 when veterans decided California was nicer than [insert where they came from here].
2. When a ton of people descended upon California during and after "the Summer of Love" aka hippie invasion.
3. The state and federal governments screwing up immigration epically.
Add in the "food pyramid" effect - basically the bottom of society is a lot larger than the top.
CO2 isn't pollution either.
For pollution see all the stuff that is man-made that has been introduced into the atmosphere.
So now in addition to losing objective journalism where media was supposed to be objective and we are now all used to media outlets having inherent bias we'll have science with bias also - where the mission is to "prove this" instead of "find truth." *sigh*
Bill Gates is a communist -- he's just more equal than the rest of us.
Uh.. it is a gas... Fog is not water vapor.. Clouds are not water vapor.. Water vapor is the gaseous form of water that you cannot see.
So, drinkypoo, why are you ignoring the $80 billion in state and local tax credits given to California when you claim they give money to other states?
I'm not. Even with that, California is still one of the states that gives the most out and gets the least back. It's about the net, stupid.
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Kinda fucked your argument there.
He's termed out. Gavin Newsom will be elected in November. And if you think Brown is bad, wait til you see Newsom!
If you think that these were not fuck-up by CONgress who ARE STATE-LEVEL, you're horribly confused.
The DOD wanted the M1 shutdown during 2008 onwards until 2014. They wanted to enhance the daylights out of it, in particular, to automate more so that it only requires 2-3. In addition, they wanted to change from a pure turbine drive, to a turbine/gen-electric drive so that electric weapons could be added down the road (esp. railguns, which we need).
As to the F-35, that is a PURE cluster-fuck that should have died. L-mart pushed their CONgress critters (including mine, who is Coffman). to keep it going. And the idea of it now replacing the warthog is a joke. That is truly turning our pilots into cannon fodder.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
For example, it is lawful for Michigan to require food labels that specifically identify certain animal parts, if they are present in the product, because the state law applies to food produced in Michigan as well as food imported from other states and foreign countries; the state law would violate the Commerce Clause if it applied only to imported food or if it was otherwise found to favor domestic over imported products. Likewise, California law requires milk sold to contain a certain percentage of milk solids that federal law does not require, which is allowed under the Dormant Commerce Clause doctrine because California's stricter requirements apply equally to California-produced milk and imported milk and so does not discriminate against or inappropriately burden interstate commerce.[2]
Just as I have said. If the tax is applied against ALL CONSUMED GOODS/SERVICES, then it is fine. The only ones that it is not applied to, is anything made/services in CA, and exported, would not be subject to that tax, which makes perfect sense.
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2011 was Yucca Mountain, about 5 years before any issue with a Supreme Court Judge. I know it's hard for low-information Democrats to keep basic facts and timelines straight, but do please try to use the Internet somewhat to learn what happened and when. In 2011 Harry Reid was the Senate Majority Leader, meaning the Senate was held by the Democrats. After the 2014 election, Mitch McConnell and the Republicans took over.
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There was plenty of warning but politics got in the way and even though the weather stations put out a hurricane warning and some evacuated, the calm weather worried few residents.
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You don't need doppler to SEE a hurricane in the ocean dipshit.
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Nothing worked well by modern standards. Weather prediction is still a dark art, I'm sure that within 100 years someone will have the same comment about quantum computing in the 2000's.
We still "do it that way" partially but satellites augment the data much more.
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I come up with something more like 90 cars:
> 474600 kilograms / (840 kilograms/m^3) / (8 liters/100 kilometers) / 22000 kilometers / 3.56 = 90.17
(F9 1.1, more but I don't know how much for F9FT...)
But... When we're talking about impact, we're going to just focus on the direct amount of non-oxidizer fuel used in the first stage, but not the massive logistics chains involved, the cryogenics, etc? I agree the impacts aren't *too bad* but I think you're low by an order of magnitude and maybe two. The cost and environmental impact of rocket launches is not in the kerosene used.
It really takes a special kind of person to consider an old document as being better at handling new problems than us today.
Perhaps. But I trust Jefferson and Madison a lot more than I trust Trump and Clinton.
In which countries has healthcare 'taken over society'?
Why do you feel the need to constantly make stuff up?
Progressive tax system IS wealth redistribution.
Why the constant need to show you lack of understanding on every topic?
Single payer healthcare shouldn't cover cancer or diabetes? Are you a fucking idiot?
2'nd paragraph said it all:
For example, it is lawful for Michigan to require food labels that specifically identify certain animal parts, if they are present in the product, because the state law applies to food produced in Michigan as well as food imported from other states and foreign countries; the state law would violate the Commerce Clause if it applied only to imported food or if it was otherwise found to favor domestic over imported products. Likewise, California law requires milk sold to contain a certain percentage of milk solids that federal law does not require, which is allowed under the Dormant Commerce Clause doctrine because California's stricter requirements apply equally to California-produced milk and imported milk and so does not discriminate against or inappropriately burden interstate commerce.[2]
Just as I have said. If the tax is applied against ALL CONSUMED GOODS/SERVICES, then it is fine. The only ones that it is not applied to, is anything made/services in CA, and exported, would not be subject to that tax, which makes perfect sense.
So you want to label where the product comes from. OK. So what? How will that change the CO2?
Or do you want to tax everything the same? Again so what? How will that change anything but make EVERYTHING more expensive regardless of origin?
Likely you want to charge different rates based on some magical criteria you just haven't thought up yet (just to punish China). Guess what stupid, that's the illegal part that makes your whole plan idiotic. And specifically why it doesn't match the examples you are trying to use.
Take your America hating ass back to mexico then.
Odds are good that my family has been here longer than yours, since my Mexican ancestors crossed into Texas from Mexico in the 1850s. Unless, of course, you're descended from puritans, who would be very disappointed in you.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
"Someone else does something I think is stupid, so if we do something stupid, but slightly less so, then it's OK".
REALLY?
it's not "California's Money", anymore than the money you may pay on taxes is "Trump's money".
Off topic I'm sure, but it's interesting when your employer basically says you have to stay and work through the hurricane. Mandatory evac? Well, Bob, that doesn't apply to us because we have business going on and sometimes because of the hurricane. No, sorry if you think you're in danger... because you know, your job would be in danger if you just up and left for days at a time during this event.
Yes, I figured out my dumb mistake there almost right after posting my comment, then wondered if there was any way to re-edit or delete that post, but didn't find one, so now I'm embarrassed.
In capitalist USA corporations control the government.
Yes, I made a stupid mistake posting that comment.
In capitalist USA corporations control the government.
They clearly don't consider it a waste of money, which is their prerogative.
The threat was to launch their own satellite(s) if Trump made good on his threat to stop collecting said information because why would we look for fake evidence of a Chinese hoax?
Seems quite reasonable to me.
We also believe that ACs are full of shit. So there's that too.
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What a fabulous argument! Cogent points! Well articulated! Excellent citations, and that BRILLIANT insult at the end! My goodness your mommy must be proud of her little basement dweller! You should ask for extra cookies.
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At what point does the general population accept that it is part of the problem and step up and do something?
The average person _still_ buys that pool, that SUV, and that air conditioner. That person still doesn't recycle, demands maximum product packaging, and throws away otherwise good food because 'leftovers ... ick'. And those habits are passed on through the generations so that it is absolutely no surprise that when those offspring move in to industry they carry with them little of an eco-friendly mindset as they sip their bottled water and work at maximizing profits.
There doesn't need to be government involvement or the staggering tax burden of state-owned satellite to address the 'problem of climate change'. What is needed is for each individual to step up and commit to the efficient use of our resources, to be less wasteful, and teach our children to do the same. Angry that some company is profiting and the expense of the environment? Then stop buying their products!
If you are willing to defer to someone else to solve the problem or insist that someone else take care of it, say 'government', then you are part of the problem not the solution.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.