Slashdot Mirror


Google Promises Chrome Changes After Privacy Complaints (cnet.com)

Google, on the defensive from concerns raised about how Chrome tracks its users, has promised changes to its web browser. From a report: Two complaints in recent days involve how Google stores data about browsing activity in files called cookies and how it syncs personal data across different devices. Google representatives said Monday and Tuesday there's nothing to be worried about but that they'll be changing Chrome nevertheless. "We've heard -- and appreciate -- your feedback from the last few days, and we'll be making some product changes," tweeted Parisa Tabriz, a security team leader at Google. Google added in a blog post Tuesday evening that it will add new options and explanations for its interface and reverse one Chrome cookie-hoarding policy that undermined people's attempts to clear those cookies.

82 comments

  1. Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Was that bad? Should I not have done that?

    1. Re:Oh by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Was that bad? Should I not have done that?

      They know full well what they're doing. This is no mistake. This only means they'll not use cookies to track you.

      Their intention is to modify the thought and behavior.of the population.

      See this leaked internal Google video.

      https://youtu.be/QDVVo14A_fo

      Here's a good analysis by YT poster 'Computing Forever'.

      https://youtu.be/UqByX959pxg

      This is some seriously fucked up, dystopian-as-hell shit. It should frighten the piss out of anyone with more than two brain cells.

      Google must be stopped.

      Strat

      --
      Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
    2. Re:Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that Selfish Ledger is really unsettling.

    3. Re:Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smart phones are FUN!

  2. We'll hide it better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only ones who can trust Google are the Chinese Communists paying them to prop up their totalitarian regime.

    1. Re:We'll hide it better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just use a better browser.

      (For what it is worth, I am not affiliated with them and don't have any special agenda here, but of course I am posting as AC so there is no reason to believe me. Still, it's a good browser).

    2. Re:We'll hide it better! by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      Brave is based on Chromium.

    3. Re: We'll hide it better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It based on it but lacks all of Google spyware.

    4. Re:We'll hide it better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brave is based on Chromium.

      Yes. Chromium. Did you not understand the difference between Chromium and Chrome?

    5. Re: We'll hide it better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand the difference. Which is why I don't understand why the recommendation is to use a dodgy port of chromium instead just running chromium.

  3. Never. Ever. Trust. Google. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NEVER!

    1. Re:Never. Ever. Trust. Google. by antdude · · Score: 1

      TRUST NO ONE. --THE X-FILES

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  4. They're not changing anything by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google added in a blog post Tuesday evening that it will add new options and explanations for its interface and reverse one Chrome cookie-hoarding policy that undermined people's attempts to clear those cookies.

    They'll just move the info stored in the cookies to internal non-cookie storage and they're still going to log you in when you login to other aspects. They're just going to change the interface to show you they're watching you.
    Be nice to have a MS office assistant character appear (like Clippy) and tap on your screen and say "Hey... I'm watching you!"

    1. Re:They're not changing anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Cookies are only really needed for session persistence. They can still track your activity without them by simply you using a google account.

    2. Re:They're not changing anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, I heard they're already demanding that staff delete copies of any release notes that described these two new "features".

    3. Re:They're not changing anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be interesting if someone made a program that would have an overlay always on screen that would show you everything that was sent back to google.

    4. Re:They're not changing anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bury it deep, like any good pirate!

    5. Re: They're not changing anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's called umatrix. Or ublock. Both say what gets sent.

    6. Re: They're not changing anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are confused. It was the internal China project memo they are trying to suppress.

    7. Re: They're not changing anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they don't. They only show connection metadata: the destination and type/protocol. Not the content of the transmission.

  5. Do No Evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Memo to Employees: Please disregard our previous motto of "Do No Evil".

    1. Re:Do No Evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do Know Evil

    2. Re: Do No Evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do Mo' Evil.

  6. They got caught.. by sqorbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems to be the current thought process in corporations is that they have very little concern for privacy unless they get caught. Suddenly after they get caught they are all about privacy for a brief period to get some good PR.

    --
    Sent from my TARDIS
    1. Re:They got caught.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, they're all about talking about privacy, but rest assured they're still collecting every non-second worth of data they can get their grubby mitts on. We've gone well past the point where they actually need to do something about privacy. The general population certainly doesn't care, why should they when there's profits to be made?

  7. Already switched to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too little, too late, Google.

  8. Google is only out for them selves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pathological liars. Trust them, please!

  9. Chromium needs the the Mozilla treatment. by xack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And separated out as an organization separate from Google/Alphabet. All the browsers relying on Blink/Chromium code need to do more to make sure they have contingency plans if Google pulls a Microsoft with Chrome.

    1. Re:Chromium needs the the Mozilla treatment. by mujadaddy · · Score: 2

      Beyond that, any organization with any "Chrome-only" functionality needs to take a hard look at what the lives of people in China are worth.

      --
      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
      "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
    2. Re:Chromium needs the the Mozilla treatment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, not very much.

    3. Re:Chromium needs the the Mozilla treatment. by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Blink and Chromium are open source, so what problem you are anticipating?

    4. Re:Chromium needs the the Mozilla treatment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, not very much.

      You are clearly not an advertiser.

      Good for you.

  10. **FAR** TOO LATE by mujadaddy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When the word about Dragonfly came out, I knew that had to put my principles before my convenience

    Google is now, and I believe irrevocably, not a company with whom I want to do business. They took their advantage and have firmly leveraged it against the public interest.

    Advertising networks, and Google's specifically, need to be dealt with by the FTC immediately. We have the right to be secure in our correspondence in the USA. "Let me move your correspondence for free, and I will read everything about it, compile it, and sell what I can" is not a contract many people would join if the terms were laid so plainly.

    --
    Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
    "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
    1. Re:**FAR** TOO LATE by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      So google free a whole month. Wow.

      Now give the "I left facebook speach."

    2. Re:**FAR** TOO LATE by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      Are you going to say something relevant, or are you too busy?

      --
      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
      "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
    3. Re:**FAR** TOO LATE by commodore64_love · · Score: 3

      You might want to read this article. If companies do not comply with China's laws then they will not be allowed into the country. That means turning-down 1300 million users.

      - Jack Poulson says "I was compelled to resign my position on August 31, 2018, in the wake of a pattern of unethical and unaccountable decision making from company leadership."

      Note he used the word Pattern, so google is making mistake after mistake. SOURCE:
        https://www.theverge.com/2018/...

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    4. Re:**FAR** TOO LATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have the right to be secure in our correspondence in the USA.

      Then you should have spent several paragraphs railing against the NSA and the government in general not just Google and advertising networks.

      At the end of the day Google and other advertisers are mere corporations who make money at your expense. A government can and will disappear you based on what they find by being able to snoop on your communications.

    5. Re: **FAR** TOO LATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The relevant bit was you are **FAR** TOO LATE to the party. The smart cookies swore off google at least half a decade ago. Have you been asleep?

    6. Re:**FAR** TOO LATE by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      TFS is about Google.

      --
      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
      "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
  11. Don't fool yourself -- it's still Chrome by Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they will just track you in some other way. It's their entire business, they're not about to give it up just because some customers complain.

    If you use Chrome or other Google services, they're all up in your internets.

  12. We're sorry we got caught by nwaack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google: "We're sorry we got caught doing something evil (yet again). We'll be more careful not to get caught next time."

  13. Fix it right now by darkain · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can fix this right now. This auto-login actually broke email/sync for a company I consult for, and luckily actually found a way to turn it off right now.

    1) Visit: chrome://flags

    2) Set to Disabled:
    Identity consistency between browser and cookie jar
    When enabled, the browser manages signing in and out of Google accounts. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS, Android
    #account-consistency

    1. Re:Fix it right now by mujadaddy · · Score: 2

      That does nothing to fix the problem: Google is an advertising company that makes money from your communications & patterns.

      Get more tech people back on Firefox. Demand *BETTER*.

      --
      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
      "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
    2. Re:Fix it right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, use the Chrome clone.

    3. Re:Fix it right now by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      Hey, FUCKING MORON, this is about trust, not technology.

      --
      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
      "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
    4. Re:Fix it right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, FUCKING MORON, this is about trust, not technology.

      So true.

      Guess who provides the bulk of Mozilla's funding?

      Yeah. Google.

    5. Re:Fix it right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, their market share is down to 4.93%. There is a lot of work ahead if you want FF to recover.

    6. Re:Fix it right now by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      That was so productive! Is anyone paying you to trash Mozilla?

      --
      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
      "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
    7. Re:Fix it right now by phalse+phace · · Score: 2

      You can fix this right now.

      1) Visit: https://www.mozilla.org, or https://www.palemoon.org, or site of another favorite non-Chrome browser

      2) Download and install

      Fixed

    8. Re:Fix it right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get more tech people back on Firefox. Demand *BETTER*.

      Demanding better is why we moved away from Firefox in the first place.

      Perhaps convince Mozilla to allow company usage of Firefox, or at the least to stop actively sabotaging and blocking company usage of it.

      Honor the computers local/roaming settings for the profile, and allow a published default one to be chosen on a new install, would go a long way.

      Cancel all the plans to remove HTTP completely, leave HTTP support in and make it a user option. They can flip the default setting to "off" at their scheduled time, just don't change the value if it has been specified and isn't set to "use default"
      I simply refuse to pay Oracle for a $4-million upgrade just to get JDE HTTPS self-signed support, which won't work in Firefox either as they ignore the systems key-store. It's bad enough Oracle shit exists and I have to support it, let alone Firefox planning to refuse speaking to non-ssl web servers coming up in a year and a half.

      Stopping this whole "fuck the computer owners settings and wishes, we are intentionally ignoring those and using ours" would bring firefox up to the level of "capable of working"

      Then and only then will it even be an option, even if a very crappy one.
      We can work on actual benefits to company networks afterwards if they have any desire to raise above "barely functions" and actually become better than IE.

    9. Re:Fix it right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was so productive! Is anyone paying you to trash Mozilla?

      Who has to pay anyone?

      They're doing a good job all by themselves.

    10. Re:Fix it right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sudo apt purge google-chrome-stable

    11. Re:Fix it right now by 4im · · Score: 1

      Of course, the proper behavior should be the default. Having to opt-out of non-privacy, non-security is just wrong.

    12. Re:Fix it right now by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      Demanding better is why we moved away from Firefox in the first place.

      No, you traded convenience for your privacy. Chrome was never better enough to justify an inch of the miles of records they got from you.

      company usage

      I will admit, my advocacy comes from a personal usage. Having been market-forced into supporting Chrome in my professional setting, I am familiar with the product.

      However, you're talking about a free product in either case. On what a business values, they'll spend money.

      --
      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
      "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
  14. Don't kid yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Google representatives said Monday and Tuesday there's nothing to be worried about but that they'll be changing Chrome nevertheless.

    If there was "nothing to be worried about", they wouldn't be making any change, period. They'll never admit it this way, but this is them acknowledging whatever point was being made against them, and them making a concession.

    Expect Google to have that "change" taking the form of the same tracking data, but now being encrypted, so users will now have no way to establish they're still being spied.

  15. Too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use brave on mobile, or Firefox.. It's basically the same thing.

    I think the takeaway here is that everyone should limit their use of Google apps

  16. Fuck google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just fuck 'em. That is all.

  17. ZING ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never though I say this :

    Microsoft BING! is the most trustworthy search engine.

    gasp!

    1. Re:ZING ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never though I say this :

      Microsoft BING! is the most trustworthy search engine.

      gasp!

      Fuck Microsoft. I'll use Startpage or DuckDuckGo any day. "We don't log anything, not even your IP" is pretty damned tough to beat in terms of trustworthiness. Does Bing make any such claim? If they did, somehow I missed it.

  18. Is marketing more effective with all the tracking? by swb · · Score: 1

    Google and all the other web-tracking companies seem to do so much tracking.

    I'm imagining a big argument against better web privacy is fundamentally economics -- tracking, etc, makes business so much more efficient that eliminating it would essentially wind up raising prices as marketers would wind up back in the old days of educated guesses that their ads or messaging was directed at the right people.

    My question is -- if you're a marketer, is all this new intelligence and tracking actually making marketing/selling better for the people doing the marketing and selling? Do they have any data to show its better?

    My hunch is "not really" and most of the complaining about enhanced privacy will be driven by people collecting/selling this information who are now out a source of revenue or forced to try to sell a much less useful product. I would also expect some kind of complaining by buyers of this information, maybe not because they really know the information makes them more effective but because they just think it does.

    It also makes me wonder if tracking-type info is a kind of market in false goods -- lots of money being spent and made trading the information, but its not really useful. It persists because the market is so huge and generates so much profit, but if at the end of the day it went away the only actual loss would be the economic exchange associated with buying and selling information.

  19. Wait... by phishybongwaters · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So people who turned on the account sync, then logged into chrome on various devices with that account are upset it synced? I mean, hate google all you want but that's a pretty fucking retarded reason. cookie hoarding? THAT'S a legit gripe

    1. Re:Wait... by mujadaddy · · Score: 1

      You are correct: THIS is not a particularly alarming amount of fuel added to the burning privacy inferno that is Alphabet.

      --
      Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
      "Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
    2. Re:Wait... by Dwedit · · Score: 2

      No, they didn't log into chrome, they logged into Gmail. Then Chrome's login system hijacked the cookie. Big difference.

    3. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cookie hoarding? THAT'S a legit gripe

      "C is for cookie. That's good enough for me." -Cookie Monster

    4. Re:Wait... by aitan · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is that the people didn't turn on sync and logged into chrome. They logged into some Google properties and then Google use that info to log them in Chrome.
      And although they might want to step back now, for sure they will try any other method in the future to keep on tracking you even if you try to disable it. They make their money from ads, so they must know you in order to get the maximum price for your data.

    5. Re:Wait... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Nope. This was "You check your personal email at work, suddenly your bookmarks include all those personal sites you bookmarked on your home PC that you wouldn't want your employer to know you visit" (you know, Monster.com, DICE.com, LinkedIn.com, NakedHotSexyJobs.xxx, that kind of thing)

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
  20. We'll fix it wink wink by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    In other words, we'll bury it in an obscure setting, mark it as to not be doing something, but will still be doing something LOL.

  21. CHINA Purchased Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just saying :

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/2016/07/18/opera-browser-sold-to-a-chinese-consortium-for-600-million/

    There is more than one way to brind down the USA.

    " The buyers, led by search and security firm Qihoo 360, are purchasing Opera's browser business, its privacy and performance apps, its tech licensing and, most importantly, its name. The Norwegian company will keep its consumer division, including Opera Apps & Games and Opera TV. The consumer arm has 560 workers, but the company hasn't said what will happen to its other 1,109 employees. "

    1. Re:CHINA Purchased Opera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really scary. Surprise! Nobody uses Opera.

  22. GLIPPY Chrome Assistant says : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    " It looks like your spreading forbidden western capitalistic dogma. Are you sure you want to visit that slashdot website, Comrade ?"

    1. Re:GLIPPY Chrome Assistant says : by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Um, if you are looking for "western capitalistic dogma," you are using the wrong website for your example.

  23. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It also makes me wonder if tracking-type info is a kind of market in false goods -- lots of money being spent and made trading the information, but its not really useful. It persists because the market is so huge and generates so much profit, but if at the end of the day it went away the only actual loss would be the economic exchange associated with buying and selling information.

    There are a few things at work. Purchase tracking and prediction is a technique used by many stores to encourage customers to buy more, especially if there is a high margin to the added goods. In physical stores, much of this is rooted in finding what "impulse buys" to put near what popular items to maximize revenue. In online stores, it involves tailoring the "frequently bought with" list and sending out coupons to make the high-margin items look like good deals.

    Google does none of that, Google uses reactive advertising. Anything searched for that can be linked to an ad-buyer will plague a user for weeks or months after the purchase. There is a rant/joke bouncing around the cat-tubes of a person's reaction to Google advertising toilet seats for weeks after the person bought one online. Google's AdSense is all hype, and the world would be better off if no one had bought into that trash idea.

  24. "damn. we got caught" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "we promise to fix it... honest!"

    bull. fucking. shit.

    run. don't walk. to your neighborhood firefox mirror.

  25. Cue Saddam Hussein in South Park The Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I CAN CHANGE!:

  26. Why not switch? by fjutt · · Score: 2

    I really wonder why people reading slashdot still uses Chrome? I mean we are a bunch of people that are both aware of the issues with corporates seeing all we do online, we understand technology well enough to know how to switch and most of us care about open source. Chromium is a little better, but really what Mozilla is doing to a great extent is needed and should be supported (by for example using Firefox). I mean, we all remember the good old days when many pages only worked in IE6 right? And if all we end up with is a browser from either Google, Microsoft or Apple, it is not a lot better.

    So really, why not switch? Performance reasons? All browsers are quick enough. Memory issues? They all use a lot of memory. Fancier ui? For me I see no logical reason at all to use Chrome or Chromium over Firefox, no reason from a technological standpoint and no moral reason either. And still usage of Chrome keeps going up, even among people in the tech industry. It saddens me a bit that people just do not think, or do not care about such an important thing as the web.

  27. Google knows what it is doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A slow progression with Chrome from becoming just a good browser, to now Chrome being a primary tool to monitor you as a internet user. Its transition into a data miner has been so subtle that even the most privacy conscious user is blind to what Google is doing. What's more troubling is the large user base of Chrome browser users feeding the Google data collection pot.

  28. Translation by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google will pretend to change things, and more quietly implement what we'll call, for convenience's sake, Plan B. If they get caught, there'll be an excuse for why it's not the same thing as they were doing before, they'll apologize, promise to change, possibly fire someone and/or rearrange bits of the company, and even more quietly implement whatever they will call it, but we may as well call it Plan C. If THAT gets leaked or discovered...

    Why do you think they call it ALPHABET?!? They have at least 26 plans for how to screw users over and rip them off and get even richer, and if they exhaust those, they'll either move on to another, perhaps starting with the Greek, (Plan Alpha, Plan Beta, etc.,) or perhaps start incorporating numbers.

    Maybe they'll even try to change their name to "Alphanumeric". Shit... I should see if there's already one of those and if not trademark THAT, and buy-up the domain name... nah. OTOH, I don't really care enough to bother looking. But that is kind of a cool name, right?

    --
    Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
  29. Parisa Tabriz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parisa Tabriz is one of Google's foremost grievance mongers and Trump Derangement Syndrome suffers. When she isn't busy weasel wording a blog post about how Google is sorry and will rework Chrome's immortal super cookies until it stops upsetting people she spends her time whinging about the lack of women in tech and displacing as many males from her team as possible.

  30. Google will pretend to change things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll just move the info stored in the cookies to internal non-cookie storage and they're still going to log you in when you login to other aspects. They're just going to change the interface to show you they're watching you.

    1. Re:Google will pretend to change things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they'll even try to change their name to "Alphanumeric". Shit... I should see if there's already one of those and if not trademark THAT, and buy-up the domain name... nah. OTOH, I don't really care enough to bother looking. But that is kind of a cool name, right?

      ______________________________________
      https://plex.software/
      https://luckypatcher.pro/
      https://kodi.software/